Classic Dr Strange and Dormammu run a gauntlet

Dorms and Strange are Bloodlusted throughout

1.Ghost Rider/BlackHeart

2.Docter Doom(5 hours prep)

3.Wiccan

4.Darkseid

5.Mephisto/Thor

6.Cyttorak

7.Galcactus(65% Power)/Surfer

8.Thanos (IG)

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Galactus should be above Cyttorak. Could stop at 2, definitely stops at 6

@betarayz8317: He is

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They stop at 7.

And why anyone would think Dormammu couldn't solo-stomp the sh!t outta Cyttorak according to what they've....you know..actually DONE, is a mystery to me. The latter has arguably 0 combat feats worth mentioning at all. And no, it is not sound rationale to assume Dormammu is inferior because he's invoked The Crimson-Bands of Cyttorak. So has The Living goddamn Tribunal(against Dr.Strange, no less).

@hunterxon: round 7.

OFF TOPIC: Isn't "classic strange" the exact same as todays Strange? he's always seemed pretty consistent with his powers?

How is Doctor Doom above Ghost Rider and Black Heart?

Stops at 2, Ghost Rider has killed Strange before , this time should be no different, Add in Black Heart and they should be able to take dormammu

@hunterxon: out or order,

Ghost Rider and Black Heart are above Thor and Mephisito

@hunterxon: Classic Dr Strange = Current Strange.

@xiix: Agree, in fact, Dormammu even invoked the powers from Orini( His minion)

There's something that sometimes make me think that Cyttorak is superior though.

@agentghostrider: And Dormammu took Ghost Rider. Three times.

Blackheart isn't adding nothing here and they sure aren't winning.

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Stops at 2. Maybe 1.

How they stop at 1? I can see at 2, but 1?

stops at 2

Could stop at 6.

Even though Cytorrak is practically featless, I have a hard time believing that Strange and a being who is on par with Odin could beat him. Just judging on the things we do know about the character

Stops at Thanos W/IG IMO.

7, out of order

Blackheart's pretty beastly, at least Mephisto level and Classic Strange had trouble with Mephisto IIRC. Add in Ghost Rider and the fact that Blackheart doesn't need to be in his realm IIRC and it could result in a win. I wouldn't bank on it, but it could happen.

Could stop at 3 if we're talking full power/potential.

But as things currently stand, they most likely stop at 7 or 8.

Classic Strange almost got absorbed into the Universe because he was so powerful he was a threat to all of existence. I once had him in a thread against the risen Jesus Christ and that got locked so fast it made my head spin. I'm not sure if it's because of the inclusion of Jesus (who hey, it's a character in one of the most influential books ever.... I'd like to see him in a fight) or because it was such an automatic stomp for Strange. Classic Strange really is that powerful. Between him and Dormammu, it's possible they clear. Doom will give em some trouble because, well it's Doom... but in character he'll job, lose on purpose and use the energies released to power some kind of force-field over Latveria. Even when he loses, Doom still wins. Aside from him, I say they fight their way up to Thanos at least. With Thanos having the IG though it's really kind of a toss-up.

Actually, Strange has beaten and matched Mephisto in some occasions and Dormammu has three victories over Ghost Rider, in fact, IIRC Dormammu conquered the Earth and defeated all the heroes in a dark future during Amazing Spider-Man#500, so Peted had to go back to past and stop Reed from resurrecting him. Ghost Rider being one of this beings says a lot.

I don't remember Blackheart defeating Mephisto without a plot-device too.

I do think that Dormammu would beat Ghost Rider, just not with Blackheart aiding him. And conquering all of Earth like that is an iffy feat because writers always forget about certain people who would surely stop it. it's impressive, but shouldn't auto-give him the victory over those heroes.

Stops at 6.

Well....He already did. Three times( IIRC Blackheart isn't close to Mephisto without a plot-device too).

if you want I can upload the scans of the instances and while I agree with you about conquering the Earth, this wasn't isolated.

There's hundreds of mentions and other things about Dormammu conquering the Earth and even the universe, as well adding to his dimension. Heck, Dormammu himself was sealing the 616 one time and no one stopped him.

@hunterxon: 7

He didn't. Cause Blackheart wasn't there. Also without plot-device he's at least equal to Mephisto and Mephisto is unable to kill him. This is the same Blackheart who created minions stronger than Ghost Rider and was easily toying with him until he unleashed Nobel Kale, an angel upon him. Blackheart's always been on Mephisto's level and has matched him constantly.

Dormammu's still a mixed bag. I mean on one hand he has those feats, on the other hand Brother Voodoo, Scarlet Witch, and Magik have defeated or matched him and they're all on 616 Earth.

He didn't. Cause Blackheart wasn't there. Also without plot-device he's at least equal to Mephisto and Mephisto is unable to kill him. This is the same Blackheart who created minions stronger than Ghost Rider and was easily toying with him until he unleashed Nobel Kale, an angel upon him. Blackheart's always been on Mephisto's level and has matched him constantly.

Dormammu's still a mixed bag. I mean on one hand he has those feats, on the other hand Brother Voodoo, Scarlet Witch, and Magik have defeated or matched him and they're all on 616 Earth.

I wasn't talking about him, but just to Ghost Rider.

If I remember correctly Blackheart needed a magical dagger for defeat Mephisto and the same easily depowered Blackheart, so I have my doubts about he being more powerful.

I can number numerous reasons of Magik defeating Dormammu not being valid, such as Dormammu himself being really OOC and Bendis destroying his original lore like he did with other things related to Dr.Strange, but Magik was only able defeat the Archenemy( Who is more powerful than Surtur, Mephisto, Nightmare and others) while amped by Dormammu's power and some other beings too.

Scarlet Witch never defeated Dormammu since the first time he was stomping her until Loki interved and she used a hax on the Evil Eye of Avalon( This means it wasn't by her power) to drain Dorm and the second Dormammu while weakened was easily mind-controlling her and was only defeated when Wanda froze the lava he was reforming. Umar's words made very clear he was really and incredible depowered during the entire story.

You're kinda right about Voodoo, but he didn't much against Dormammu and the same was get by surprise( Given it was on Dark Dimension). Jericho was the Sorcerer Supreme when he did the feat too.

So there's nothing really stopping Dormammu from conquering the Earth and his low feats are really few.

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@betarayz8317: no he shouldn’t