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Clark_El's Tournement: Shazam vs Gladiator
@charetter115: nice
@strman123: You can start.
Gladiator is a very powerful charecter that has proven himself in many ways beating many characters across the Marvel Universe like Thor, Juggernaut, Fantastic Four, Vulcan, Hyperion, etc. His powers are totally based off of his confidence, because his confidence is at full level in this fight Gladiator would win.
Shazam outspeeds Flash, who is faster than Gladiator, Takes punches from Superman, who is stronger than Gladiator, and throws punches that hurt Black Adam, who is roughly equal to Gladiator in durability.
@charetter115: Flash was beating him in that scan. He can only beat Supes because Supes is susceptible to magic and can be hurt by it. He only beat the Spectre because he had the Spear of Destiny, with that nearly anybody can pick a fight with the Spectre. It has also been said that Gladiator at full confidence is able to fly faster than a Shi'ar cruiser which is capable of going at the speed of light. Also, taking a blow from Thor's hammer directly is much worse than getting punched by Captain Marvel.
@strman123: Flash was ahead of him because he started first, since Shazam was very far behind him and caught up to him, he had to be moving faster than him, Shazam hurt Black Adam who is not susceptible to magic, and Shazam doesn't have to punch gladiator(which is like taking a blow from superman) he could yell Shazam! which is definitely worse than being hit by Thor's Hammer. Also, with the Stamina of Atlas he can take anything Gladiator can dish out, and with the wisdom of Solomon he could find some way to lower Gladiator's confidence even just a smidgen, which would drastically lower his power.
Also, it is speculated that Gladiator used a gadget to lift the Baxter Building, Speed Blitzing Thor is not that much of a victory, you can't just speed blitz Shazam, Shazam can withstand Superman's heat vision which is equal to Gladiator's, so that can't do anything, also his durability can not compare with Shazam's, as seen here where he is hurt by Gambit.
@charetter115: Being forced back by Gambit isn't really being hurt by him. Also that's basic PIS someone who is capable of going at light speed being out sped by a man that can't go at sound? Seems Legit.
@strman123: traveling at light speed and having a fast combat speed are different, superman goes light speed but his combat speed is outdone by batman. and being forced back shows it at least affected him, whereas if it didn't the cards would just bounce harmlessly off of him.
@charetter115: Gladiator does not have a slow attack speed.
@strman123: Ah, I stand corrected. But, in that scan with Mr. Fantastic, he experiences doubt when his opponent dodges his blows and withstands his heat vision, so as long as Shazam does the same, which he can Gladiator's confidence would be lowered which drastically lowers his power levels. Should we open this to voting now? First to 5 votes wins?
@charetter115: Its 3 votes according to Clark_El and sure. Good luck.
@strman123: how about 5?
@strman123: I'll vote later these are some hefty arguments.
Shazam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! way to many tricks for the weaker gladiator to handle plus gald has a habit of losing his cool when things don't go his way. but good scans guys and some really nice points by both sides. :)
I guess my vote should go to @strman123:since he didn't throw around classic scans passing them off as feats for CM.
@dredeuced: I on one hand am aloud to but Charetter wasn't supposed to use them but I didn't notice.
@strman123: traveling at light speed and having a fast combat speed are different, superman goes light speed but his combat speed is outdone by batman. and being forced back shows it at least affected him, whereas if it didn't the cards would just bounce harmlessly off of him.
Batman's combat speed is no where close to that of Superman.
Ieven though i'm a huge gladiator fan, i'm going with shazam here. I don't have the scans right now, but Gladiator has been knocked out by Thor (Eric Masterson version in Galactic Storm)as well (with assistance from living lightning....which CM could provide just as well with his magical lightning), and recently was skewered/run through in War of Kings (or was it realm of kings? can't recall....).......... CM just has quite more substantial feats proving higher durability and endurance i believe.
@calebhara: No, but it is a lot closer than travel speed. Which was the general point I was trying to make.
@charetter115: 1 more to win
I want to say gladiator,i think the real reason he lost confidence was because of who was withstanding his blows,billy won't get tagged every time but when he does it should show,so gladiator won't loose confidence that way. But like momo111191 said,those classic scans make me skeptical
Gladiator
I want to say Shazam, but after that beating BA put on him in New52, he's going to have to do a little more to cement himself near among the top of the flying brick food chain.
I will go with Gladiator i think that his H2H skills will give him the edge
Gladiator.
@strman123: You just won!
@strman123: I need to look on hoe the tournament is looking.
@clark_el: :D Who do I debate next?
This fight is literally almost too close to make a call one way or the other, for me.
Gladiator, at full confidence, doesn't quite scale exactly to Superman, imo, but perhaps just slightly below him, in terms of overall power. Maybe 95% of Superman? Definitely enough to really hurt Shazam if Gladiator was serious.
Shazam *should* be 99% if not 100% of Superman's power. Plus, Shazam's lightning is mystical in nature, much like Thor's, so it should definitely hurt Gladiator.
Shazam's glaring weakness is that Billy's immaturity tends to come through a lot, and he makes a lot of brash and irresponsible decisions... both in and out of battle. It's like the "Wisdom Of Solomon" can only do so much with a prepubescent kid, lol
So, while i feel like Shazam has a very slight edge in just about every category on Glads, I also feel like at some point, Shazam might do something stupid or foolish and leave himself open to a fight-ending attack from Gladiator. Maybe not every time, but in lot of instances, I see some immaturity on Billy's part losing him the fight. Gladiator is also more ruthless than what Shazam is used to facing when he fights Superman... Kallark is not afraid to kill somebody, if it means neutralizing a threat. Gladiator has also been shown to beat Wonder Man, Hyperion, Beta Ray Bill and a weakened Thanos. Thanos also stated that amongst Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Ronan, and Quasar, that Gladiator was by far the most of dangerous of that lot.
I say Gladiator wins by the slimmest of margins, 5.5/10... maybe.
@strman123: it doesn't matter if his confidence is at peak because that factor hasn't worked in some scenarios, like when the fights takes too long he starts doubting himself and loses his confidence.
Shazam takes it 10/10. Gladiator is basically superman lite. He's got impressive feats like fighting hulk, thor, hyperion etc. But none of his feats are on par with those of the real deal. Shazam has fought the real deal and fought beings on equal level as thor,hulk, hyperion etc. Add his speed and lightning attacks which have shown yo be slightly more dangerous that those of thor. Glad's confidence won't even be a factor since even at full confidence he hasn't pull out feats close to those of superman. So yeah, the kid beats the man in this battle.
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