@18hunt: Martian Manhunter vs. @reefermadness (Black Adam)
-no BFR
-No Prep
Win by death
morals off
can use any feats beyond Silver Age
Clark_EL's Powerhouse tournament: 18 hunt vs. ReeferMadness
@clark_el@18hunt Well, I'll start off with the preliminary post because I gathered up most of the scans I pretty much need.
Black Adam has a strength level of lifting 100 ton+ objects with ease. Being the anti-hero he is, Black Adam has matched up against Superman and Captain Marvel, considered equals amongst the DCU. Being somewhat an equal of Captain Marvel, he has substantial superhuman abilities, practically god-level, and is depicted of having greater strength than CM (knowing this, everything that Captain Marvel could do, BA could do better). Black Adam does not share his power the way Billy does with Freddy, rendering him much more powerful in most situations. Therefore, any feat demonstrated by Captain Marvel should be at the very least duplicable by Adam. Black Adam has also beaten the crap out of Captain Marvel in Justice Society of America #23-28 (not shown below).
He has shown no-mercy towards all meta-humans, including the JSA who violated Kahndaq air space while fighting in war against them. Here is the first battle against the JSA, fighting against the likes of Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, Power Girl, Hawkgirl, Hawkman, Mr. Terrific, and more.These panels evidently show how much of a brute powerhouse Black Adam really is. It also depicts Black Adam's bloodlusted side, which he always is, specifically when in combat (fighting for a greater purpose). This battle also explains BA's other superhuman feats, such as his durability and stamina (being shown to be much stronger than the Nth Metal) which I'll be explaining more of during the debate.
He also possesses the god-like powers to standalone taken on the likes of Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Hawkman, the 4 strongest lanterns, every member of the Doom Patrol, Teen Titans, the Global Guardians, and the JSA at one time! (one of the most momentous events in comics). Captain Marvel was present. The entire Marvel family was even there and were taken out all in one panel! Also present were dozens and dozens of other heroes from all around the world. Did they stop him? No. These panels depict his brute strength, tough durability, great stamina, strong heart, and high speeds.
What I'm trying to get to is that Black Adam is... the true original champion
Black Adam overpowering Captain Marvel who has the powers of Shazam (early years of Captain Marvel)
And he wasn't at full capacity with his powers yet. He was still trying to take it back from Captain Marvel in this panel.
@reefermadness said:
Black Adam overpowering Captain Marvel who has the powers of Shazam (early years of Captain Marvel)
@18hunt@clark_el: K well I'm just gonna go more ahead and start my statement post.
Through the powers of the Egyptian gods, Shu and Aton grants him god-like stamina and invulnerability these include substantial healing regeneration as he was depicted of digging out a bullet in his chest with just his finger nail and healed instantly. The bullet was made from the Rock of Eternity to specifically take down BA and evidently had no effective on him. He has also been shown to break Hawkman's sword (Nth Metal), deflects high-caliber bullets/heavy racket launchers at very close range, and also deflect other heavy blows from multiple meta-humans and weaponry. These scans depict his invulnerability feats.
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Having the wisdom of Zehuti, he is strengthened in all god-like abilities and considered to possess one of greatest magical powers in the world. With the inner strength of Mehen he is also fully resistant to any psychic manipulation, strong telepathy (enough to defeat MM's telepathy and merely killing him), and immune to magical attacks which MM has a weakness to. Here are the panels of Black Adam stomping on Martian Manhunter in WW3.
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@18hunt said:
Ill post on a while, also that was new 52 marvel, so I'm not impresses -____-
@reefermadness said:
And he wasn't at full capacity with his powers yet. He was still trying to take it back from Captain Marvel in this panel.
Black Adam overpowering Captain Marvel who has the powers of Shazam (early years of Captain Marvel)
But still yet, he does have the power to manipulate any sort of energy form such as lightning, magic, etc. His powers definitely put a damage on Cap. Marvel even when at the god-like state of Shazam!
@18hunt@clark_el Does Martian Manhunter have any abilities to stop speed blitzing/phasing, more so fighting with someone capable of reaching light speeds? I know he stood up against Barry Allen before who's considered one of the fastest alive; but can you show me any scans depicting him doing such things (I mean, when you have time to do so?).
With the powers of Heru, Black Adam is capable of reaching light speeds while flying, running, and fighting. BA's capable of keeping up with Jay Garrick multiple times and have reached the light speeds. Jay Garrick is one of the most experienced Flashes and could accelerate to the speed of light and capable of possessing Speed Force. Black Adam is also able of dodging numerous speed force strikes even getting in heavy blows and giving him a brute stomping. Here is a scan depicting Black Adam dodging the attacks from Jay Garrick and fighting at light speeds.
Like I said above, Black Adam also had a legit race against Jay Garrick before, both reaching the speed of light and sound.
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However, like it was shown above, Jay Garrick was able to steal the speed of Black Adams, rendering him to be passed by J.G.
Does Martian have any defenses against phasing attacks as well? Black Adam has shown many times that he has been able to reach speed of light running (has shown above), but he's also able to fight in light speeds as well (shown in the first panel in this post). Doing so, he could also phase through any meta-humans and other humans unable to defend themselves. Is there any exemplifications of Martian Manhunter defending himself from being speedblitzed?
Here's another scan (from the scans in the prelim. post) depicting him to speed blitz in fight as shown in the first panel below. He's also exemplifying his invulnerability and capability to fight in light speeds and strike Jay Garrick. Black Asam also merely kills Hawkman and Hawkgirl, both who possess the strength of the Nth Metal and the Nth Metal Wings.
Let me know when you can get a hold of any scans when you have time to, showing MM's defense against phasing or just fighting in light speeds. Here's scans of MM fighting the JLA to save you some time cause I also love Martian Manhunter but of course this is a debate and I also believe BA could win. I have the issues of him fighting the JL in New 52, but I forgot how it ended, more so how he even was able to take on Barry. i'll re-read it again though. Here are some scans i pulled from the web, however, both times Barry Allen seems like he's defeated, but he's on the ground and not shown fighting in both panels.
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I am rushing, so some of these are in a mixed order
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How you like me now!?
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I know I repeated some, but hey, a mans gotta do what hes gotta do!
@18hunt: Nice scans bro..Good thing for Martian it's moral off, cause he's always been that guy under the laws and abiding by them. As for his telepathic and telekinesis powers of Martian Manhunters, even though it is conisdered really strong in the sense he could hack into anyone's mind and manipulate them, Black Adam has shown to counter his abilities and out-do him in his own game. The chronological order for this fight is from right to left:
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I'll get with more scans, but eating right now...lol...yammm, yammm, yammm
@18hunt Yea I try find that for you in the mean time. Again, does he have any panels depicting his intangibility to those capable of reach light speeds such as Black Adam? One of the scans you should me we seen Barry Allen pick up MM, and started sprinting for the hills. Martian was unable to turn intangibility as Barry's speed was vibrating the atoms back to solid form and Adam's known to reach light speeds as well as phasing. This scan is the one I'm taking about. By you showing me this panel makes me believe that Black Adam has more of a chance to defeat MM without a doubt. Great scans though, who did wound up finding all of those? Again, from my recent post, Black Adam was able to manipulate the mind of MM, as well as being fully resistant against it.
@reefermadness said:
@18hunt@clark_el Does Martian Manhunter have any abilities to stop speed blitzing/phasing, more so fighting with someone capable of reaching light speeds? I know he stood up against Barry Allen before who's considered one of the fastest alive; but can you show me any scans depicting him doing such things (I mean, when you have time to do so?).
With the powers of Heru, Black Adam is capable of reaching light speeds while flying, running, and fighting. BA's capable of keeping up with Jay Garrick multiple times and have reached the light speeds. Jay Garrick is one of the most experienced Flashes and could accelerate to the speed of light and capable of possessing Speed Force. Black Adam is also able of dodging numerous speed force strikes even getting in heavy blows and giving him a brute stomping. Here is a scan depicting Black Adam dodging the attacks from Jay Garrick and fighting at light speeds.
Like I said above, Black Adam also had a legit race against Jay Garrick before, both reaching the speed of light and sound.
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However, like it was shown above, Jay Garrick was able to steal the speed of Black Adams, rendering him to be passed by J.G.
Does Martian have any defenses against phasing attacks as well? Black Adam has shown many times that he has been able to reach speed of light running (has shown above), but he's also able to fight in light speeds as well (shown in the first panel in this post). Doing so, he could also phase through any meta-humans and other humans unable to defend themselves. Is there any exemplifications of Martian Manhunter defending himself from being speedblitzed?
There you go again, exploiting Martian Manhunter's weaknesses. :P
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@reefermadness said:
@18hunt: Nice scans bro..Good thing for Martian it's moral off, cause he's always been that guy under the laws and abiding by them. As for his telepathic and telekinesis powers of Martian Manhunters, even though it is conisdered really strong in the sense he could hack into anyone's mind and manipulate them, Black Adam has shown to counter his abilities and out-do him in his own game. The chronological order for this fight is from right to left:
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I'll get with more scans, but eating right now...lol...yammm, yammm, yammm
Can someone tell me why MM was not able to just go intangible here?
I came in here to say MM, but I can't argue with my own lying eyes.
Black Adam wins.
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