Heroes Reborn is non-canon. It's not part of the 616-verse. And there were two Thors in that, one of them was being amped and given the appearance of Odin to fight an empowered Loki. And I believe the Thor Corps consisted of (at the time) Eric, Bill, and someone else whose name escapes me. And Loki was beating all three of them. I've yet to see Circe prove the better in magic. Loki has turned clouds into dragons with his power and made a 3rd rate low-level TP user into a monstrous psychic user. Also, Loki killed Bor, the Father of Odin.
"Heroes Reborn is non-canon. It's not part of the 616-verse. And there were two Thors in that, one of them was being amped and given the appearance of Odin to fight an empowered Loki. And I believe the Thor Corps consisted of (at the time) Eric, Bill, and someone else whose name escapes me. And Loki was beating all three of them. I've yet to see Circe prove the better in magic. Loki has turned clouds into dragons with his power and made a 3rd rate low-level TP user into a monstrous psychic user. Also, Loki killed Bor, the Father of Odin."
It doesn't matter if Heroes Reborn was canon or not because Thor solo'd Loki several times in 616 as well.The old Thor Corps isn't very powerful.She Hulk beat them herself.Loki isn't that powerful.If you have yet to see Circe prove she has better magic..maybe you should actually read something with her in it....
Turning clouds into dragons ain't sh#t....and Loki killing Bor means nothing because if Bor was actually comparable to Odin..Loki wouldn't have won.
Actually, Bor is comparable. He was just an idiot. Loki can warp reality with his magic. Maybe you should read up on him. He can dump people in other dimensions, create indestructible barriers, even kill people with TP across dimensions. Doc Strange had to use all his power to keep Loki from killing a woman he'd trapped in another realm. Loki's more powerful than people give him credit for. And of course Thor would win, he has the fricken plot-device hammer and character shield.
"Actually, Bor is comparable. He was just an idiot. Loki can warp reality with his magic. Maybe you should read up on him. He can dump people in other dimensions, create indestructible barriers, even kill people with TP across dimensions. Doc Strange had to use all his power to keep Loki from killing a woman he'd trapped in another realm. Loki's more powerful than people give him credit for. And of course Thor would win, he has the fricken plot-device hammer and character shield."
Everybody can warp reality with magic..what are you talking about? The whole idea behind magic is warping reality LMAO.I don't need to read up Bor or Loki.I know what they can do.I don't care what Dr.Strange had to do to stop Loki..just because he's the Sorcerer Supreme doesn't mean he's that powerful.I have seen Dr.Doom do with magic what he has failed to do in the past and Marvel claims Dooms magic is only second to Strange's.Thor doesn't need a plot device to beat Loki..he is simply more powerful than him.Dimensional dumping and all that other BS you just named are all things Thor can do as well except for the TP crap..and Strange would get one shotted by Thor.Either way..Morgan Le Fay was damn near successful against the JLA...a team that could easily beat the Thor Corps and only use less than half it's members.
Doc Strange reversed and collapsed a black hole. He's beaten back Shuma-Gorath in his own dimension. He helped Doom rescue his mother from Mephisto's realm. He was even accepted and became the Avatar of Eternity for a brief time. Doc Strange is very powerful and has an assload of Dues ex Machina spells. Loki still beats him in terms of raw magical power. As for the JLA, only 2-3 of their members use magic, and only one of them is any good with it. The whole rest of the team sucks against magic users. So a magic user putting the hurt on the JLA isn't really that impressive.
Strange's shields are also nothing to laugh at. His auto-shields were strong enough to keep him from being instantly killed by a blow from Warrior, a Thanosi clone that was stated to easily be around 4-5x's stronger than the Original Thanos. The only way to one-shot Strange is if he's really, really distracted.
Loki blew up planets as part of a contest he was having with the Silver Surfer. And Loki turned Bor to ice and blew him away as snow. This isn't some doll-child of an Amazon, this is the grandpappy of the Asgardians.
"Doc Strange reversed and collapsed a black hole. He's beaten back Shuma-Gorath in his own dimension. He helped Doom rescue his mother from Mephisto's realm. He was even accepted and became the Avatar of Eternity for a brief time. Doc Strange is very powerful and has an assload of Dues ex Machina spells. Loki still beats him in terms of raw magical power. As for the JLA, only 2-3 of their members use magic, and only one of them is any good with it. The whole rest of the team sucks against magic users. So a magic user putting the hurt on the JLA isn't really that impressive.
Strange's shields are also nothing to laugh at. His auto-shields were strong enough to keep him from being instantly killed by a blow from Warrior, a Thanosi clone that was stated to easily be around 4-5x's stronger than the Original Thanos. The only way to one-shot Strange is if he's really, really distracted."
Why are you giving me Strange's feats as if I don't know them already.It doesn't make any difference.He is still not that powerful and means even less when you are saying Loki is still more powerful than him.It doesn't matter how many magical users are on the JLA...that has nothing at all to do with my argument.What I am saying is..you said Loki was beating the Thor Corps by himself..I said,Circe was beating the JLA by herself.The JLA would demolish the Thor Corps..so yea,that makes taking the JLA a better feat than taking the Thor Corps..most of which as I said before..lost to She-Hulk.
I don't give a sh#t about Strange's shields.In case you were unaware Thor can negate magical power and effects and is stronger than people Strange out of his own mouth claimed he couldn't hurt at all with his powers.
And you know, people have argued and said that Bill would beat down Wonder Woman., and he's comparable to Thor in power and strength. The Thor Corps aren't as weak as they seem, just two of their members are idiots. And of course, Thor Girl is just ridiculous. What does the JLA consist of mostly? Bricks, Speedsters, and street-levelers. That's pretty much their main forces. The Surfer can smite most of the JLA by himself. Thor (Pre-Odinforce) is around Surfer's level and, as I've said before, Loki tested himself against the Surfer with the strength of their attacks. Loki is planet-busting. How many JLA members actually have that level of force?
"Loki blew up planets as part of a contest he was having with the Silver Surfer. And Loki turned Bor to ice and blew him away as snow. This isn't some doll-child of an Amazon, this is the grandpappy of the Asgardians."
1. Circe isn't an Amazon.
2.Loki would be Grandmama as he is now a girl lol.
2.Loki would be Grandmama as he is now a girl lol."
1. I was referring to Wonder Woman.
2. Loki's not a woman. He's possessing Sif's body and keeping her spirit trapped in the body of an elderly woman on the verge of death, and keeping her shielded from Heimdal's sight and Thor's senses.
"And you know, people have argued and said that Bill would beat down Wonder Woman., and he's comparable to Thor in power and strength. The Thor Corps aren't as weak as they seem, just two of their members are idiots. And of course, Thor Girl is just ridiculous. What does the JLA consist of mostly? Bricks, Speedsters, and street-levelers. That's pretty much their main forces. The Surfer can smite most of the JLA by himself. Thor (Pre-Odinforce) is around Surfer's level and, as I've said before, Loki tested himself against the Surfer with the strength of their attacks. Loki is planet-busting. How many JLA members actually have that level of force?"
I don't care what people argued.Wonder Woman is stronger than Thor so I don't see how someone can bother arguing that.Anyway Loki has lost to teams weaker than the Thor Corps so I don't even see how you think him beating them is credible.It doesn't matter what the JLA consists of..the fact is they would demolish the Thor corps.PERIOD.The feats of the battle aren't comparable.Loki fought a weaker team with less members and Circe fought a stronger team with more members.
What Silver Surfer can do isn't comparable to what Thor can do.Classic Thor is nowhere near Silver Surfers level so I don't know why you would bother saying that.Storm and Iron Man did well against Silver too..are we going to pretend they can take Circe? Planet busting is a joke feat these days.Sentry beat a planet buster in half a comic and he's weaker than Martian Manhunter,Wonder Woman,and Superman.
Wasn't Odin force created by Odin himself? It's like the life force of his two brothers, according to comicvine. If so, Bor did not possess it, and turning him to snow is not that of a feat.
"And you know, people have argued and said that Bill would beat down Wonder Woman., and he's comparable to Thor in power and strength. The Thor Corps aren't as weak as they seem, just two of their members are idiots. And of course, Thor Girl is just ridiculous. What does the JLA consist of mostly? Bricks, Speedsters, and street-levelers. That's pretty much their main forces. The Surfer can smite most of the JLA by himself. Thor (Pre-Odinforce) is around Surfer's level and, as I've said before, Loki tested himself against the Surfer with the strength of their attacks. Loki is planet-busting. How many JLA members actually have that level of force?"
That was a debate with not much evidence.
Yes they are compared to the JLA
JLA has consisted if Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Zantanna, Dr. Fate, Flash, Green Lantern, Red Tornado, need i go on? they would destroy The Thor corps. Surfur solo's them? not likely. Superman is planets smashing level, so is WW and MM. Zatanna could destroy one. GL could with ease. please.
JLA has consisted if Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Zantanna, Dr. Fate, Flash, Green Lantern, Red Tornado, need i go on? they would destroy The Thor corps. Surfur solo's them? not likely. Superman is planets smashing level, so is WW and MM. Zatanna could destroy one. GL could with ease. please."
When has Superman shown planet-smashing levels? Simple: He hasn't. He can't even move a planet without help. Talk about no evidence. And yes, Norrin could solo much of these people. But that's an argument for another day, and I think someone did a match for it already.
JLA has consisted if Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Zantanna, Dr. Fate, Flash, Green Lantern, Red Tornado, need i go on? they would destroy The Thor corps. Surfur solo's them? not likely. Superman is planets smashing level, so is WW and MM. Zatanna could destroy one. GL could with ease. please."
When has Superman shown planet-smashing levels? Simple: He hasn't. He can't even move a planet without help. Talk about no evidence. And yes, Norrin could solo much of these people. But that's an argument for another day, and I think someone did a match for it already."
wow.....i don't know where to start on that one.......
JLA has consisted if Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Zantanna, Dr. Fate, Flash, Green Lantern, Red Tornado, need i go on? they would destroy The Thor corps. Surfur solo's them? not likely. Superman is planets smashing level, so is WW and MM. Zatanna could destroy one. GL could with ease. please."
When has Superman shown planet-smashing levels? Simple: He hasn't. He can't even move a planet without help. Talk about no evidence. And yes, Norrin could solo much of these people. But that's an argument for another day, and I think someone did a match for it already."
Dude, moving a planet is a lot heavier than smashing it. If you want to see him smash a planet go to superman vs gladiator.
Loki would win! He is always a better sorcerer than Circe. He has brought gods back to life, turned Thor into a frog, made hundred copies of himself, and he made beings strong enough to take Thor. He is a lot more powerful than Circe.
WTF Loki as Marvel sorcery goes is mid level at best. Circe in War of the God's was the one who took on EVERY mystic in DCU. IIRC It took the combined power of Spectre, Phantom Stranger, Doctor Fate, Zatanna, madame Xanadu and others focused through WW and Geo Force ( as conduits of the human Spirit and Earth) to break one of her spells. So unless Loki can solo all those (which he can't) I fail to see how this is even in contention.
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Dr.Fate and The Spectre should be able to solo her,hell Spectre detroyed magic in DC,turning PS into a rat,so you are saying that Circe is more powerful than him and Dr Fate which managed to stall him to a point he had to kill Nabu to get past him.
Loki seems to me to be more powerful,but then I know more of myth and DCAU circe than Comic one.
Loki is just as competent to at magic as Circe is. Physical stats wise Loki is underwhelming, but he has pretty much everything in terms of magic, from matter manipulation, teleportation, time travel, transmutation etc.
@beatboks1: what instance are you referring to, would you happen to have issue reference? Circe isnt generally that powerful i am honestly interested to see.
@Killemall: I was trying to find the issue earlier. The more I think about it Spectre wasn't a part of it, but the other players definitely were. I'll have a more detailed look over the weekend
No Loki has more powerful magic. He has brought gods to life, made beings powerful enough to take down Superman, Thor, and Captain Marvel, made a hundred copies of himself, and he turned Thor to a frog.
Circe bumped up the powers of Cheetah, Giganta, and Dr. Psycho, so thats nothing special.Circe once made WW go back to the clay she was made out of.. Don't tell me about power.She once took WW, Wonder Girl, and Hercules(DC) powers, and left them helpless.Circe has feats as well.
Circe bumped up the powers of Cheetah, Giganta, and Dr. Psycho, so thats nothing special.Circe once made WW go back to the clay she was made out of.. Don't tell me about power.She once took WW, Wonder Girl, and Hercules(DC) powers, and left them helpless.Circe has feats as well.
Circe is more powerful. If she removes loki's staff he is nothing at all. He got no real magic just speed. 'Watch avengers movie and you will see he is weak' Circe is a goddess with dark drain magic who could call a typhoon to blow him away
I'l give this to Circe, Loki has no feats that I know of to say he can use magic to combat people. He always has to use trinkets. Hell Amora at least can battle on a mystical level. Loki I've never seen him do anything of that type. If he has can you please provide scans for me? I've never witnessed Loki battle on a mystical level.
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