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#1 Edited by alternative_backup (661 posts) - - Show Bio

Chaos King:

vs.

Dream of the Endless:

Who win this fight?

#2 Posted by JwwProd (10551 posts) - - Show Bio

Chaos King.

#3 Posted by solon (421 posts) - - Show Bio

Chaos king

#4 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: @solon: dream. but because of many reasons, he never fight. but his feats are more than chaos king can handle;

his death made lucifer feel.

some guy with but a fraction of his power is doing things even the original ion could not imagine.

#5 Posted by green_skaar (4718 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: @solon: dream. but because of many reasons, he never fight. but his feats are more than chaos king can handle.

his death made lucifer feel.

some guy with but a fraction of his power is doing things even the original ion could not accomplish.

What feats?

#6 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio
#7 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

his power is all thoughts and dreams of every being who ever existed, but destiny told him he has a power he never knew; he is not the personification, but he is: dream, thought , and reality. though his reality warping powers is likely to be nigh omnipotent, he can never hope to be on the same level as the lightbringer

#8 Posted by green_skaar (4718 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: just read from top to bottom

his power is all thoughts and dreams of every being who ever existed, but destiny told him he has a power he never knew; he is not the personification, but he is: dream, thought , and reality. though his reality warping powers is likely to be nigh omnipotent, he can never hope to be on the same level as the lightbringer

I did read, not seeing anything that put him above CK.

#9 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: a fraction of dreams power is enough to make the red king as so powerful that he was creating his own universes, then destroying them like a child who was bored of his toys. and that is only a fraction

#10 Edited by green_skaar (4718 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: a fraction of dreams power is enough to make the red king as so powerful that he was creating his own universes, then destroying them like a child who was bored of his toys. and that is only a fraction

What fraction? There is a big difference between 1/10000000th and 9999999/100000000, both of which are fractions.

#11 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: are you from a country that does not speak English? there is the fraction in math, then there is the fraction in words. check the dictionary if you must.

#12 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by green_skaar (4718 posts) - - Show Bio

English is my first language, thanks for asking...

I'm well aware of what a fraction means and it has a very broad semantic range, that is why I was asking for what fraction. Not all fractions are the same, my previous example illustrates this.

#14 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: if you are not someone who dabbles in math, then you are just one of us, an ordinary man who's use of words are the same. it is always weird when someone who does not know anything in a particular subject try to fit in with the professors by using their words and trying to sound knowledgeable

#15 Posted by green_skaar (4718 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: if you are not someone who dabbles in math, then you are just one of us, an ordinary man who's use of words are the same. it is always weird when someone who does not know anything in a particular subject try to fit in with the professors by using their words and trying to sound big

Not trying to "sound big". We obviously use and understand the word differently, no biggie.

#16 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: ah, i have not thought of that. are you British?

#17 Posted by green_skaar (4718 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: ah, i have not thought of that. are you British?

Nope, but I'm a very analytical person, so was maybe taking it too literally. I also study a foreign language where semantic range plays a large role in interpretation so it's fresh on my mind and makes me think about it in English.

#18 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: cool, wow, i think we are a little off track man. you are a natural detective then, anyone who thinks like that must have a high IQ.

dream wins

#19 Posted by JwwProd (10551 posts) - - Show Bio

@baron_von_santa: Didn't Chaos King destroy 99% of the multiverse as well as Heaven, Hell & Limbo.

#20 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@green_skaar: oh, and i apologize about what i said earlier

#21 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: heaven and hell are controlled by skyfather level beings like lucifer and sutur and hel, nothing dream cannot handle.

the red king with used a tiny bit of dreams power to create then destroy countless universes to find a few that he liked. the power the red king used is like a water tower compared to dreams ocean.

out of the seven endless, four can beat an unbound spectre; destiny, death, dream, and destruction

#22 Edited by JwwProd (10551 posts) - - Show Bio

@baron_von_santa said:

@jwwprod: heaven and hell are controlled by skyfather level beings like lucifer and sutur and hel, nothing dream cannot handle.

the red king with used a tiny bit of dreams power to create then destroy countless universes to find a few that he liked. the power the red king used is like a water tower compared to dreams ocean.

out of the seven endless, four can beat an unbound spectre; destiny, death, dream, and destruction

Chaos King would crubstomp an Unbound Spectre.

I know about the Red King feat but did he create a multiverse as big as Marvel's?

Because Marvel's multiverse as an infinite amount of universes:

And Chaos King destroyed 99% of it.

And he went toe to toe with Chaos War Hercules (Who recreated the whole multiverse after Chaos King destroyed it) and Hercules could beat him.

Better feats if you ask me.

I'm going with Chaos King even though I think Dream is cooler and a much better character but I don't think he's on Chaos King's league.

#23 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: can chaos king beat the living tribunal? because the unbound spectre's power is near that.

#24 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: a fraction can create and destroy millions of universes, the whole shebang can......

#25 Posted by JwwProd (10551 posts) - - Show Bio

@baron_von_santa said:

@jwwprod: can chaos king beat the living tribunal? because the unbound spectre's power is near that.

Unfortunately no Chaos King can't beat the Living Tribunal though I still wonder why the Living Tribunal didn't go and stop Chaos King from destroying the multiverse (I like to think that the Living Tribunal was scared of Chaos King :P)

And no Unbound Spectre is nowhere near Living Tribunal level! hell he's not even on the Infinity Gauntlet's level and the Living Tribunal dwarfs the Infinity Gauntlet.

#26 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: you do not know much about spectre do you. just read about him, then you will know better. or do you not know what unbound spectre means?

#27 Edited by JwwProd (10551 posts) - - Show Bio

@baron_von_santa: I already know alot about the Spectre infact he's one of my favorite characters and my friend SithLantern93's favorite character.

Yet he is still nowhere near Living Tribunal's level!!!!!

#28 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: then put this in order, from most powerful to least;

fully backed, corrigan, Hal, unbound, crispus

#29 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

and i am not saying the spectre can beat LT, hell 9/10 he loses, but i am saying if he is a marvel character then he would be the one below LT, not oblivion or tiamut or those other guys

#30 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2986 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: then put this in order, from most powerful to least;

fully backed, corrigan, Hal, unbound, crispus

Let me take a crack at it.

Fully Backed, Unbound, Corrigan, Hal, Crisups

Also what would you say spectres best feat is?

#31 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer: that was a trick question! there is no fully backed spectre, the only time he asked the presence for help is when he was getting ready to fight the anti monitor, and the presence only gave him a pep rally. other than that your right.

the unbound spectre's last fight was against Nabu, it shows that he can take magic from anywhere in the universe and add it to his own, thus becoming so powerful he killed Nabu with one blow. the only reason he did not take all the magic in the first place was because he was restraining himself

even at base level (meaning using his own magic but not restrained by a host, he fought shazam on even terms, that is a high feat cos shazam was already a skyfather level being, being in the rock increased his powers thousandfold)

#32 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2986 posts) - - Show Bio

@baron_von_santa: Well i've been bambozled. Not really surprised don't know much about him. But what is his greatest feat

#33 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer: read the post above, i edited it

PS come see the survive a month thread, it is pretty good

#34 Posted by KingOfAsh (3636 posts) - - Show Bio

Dream

#35 Posted by PowerHerc (85335 posts) - - Show Bio

Chaos King wins.

#36 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

dream is too powerful. even ( in this case even is a good word) the spectre can beat chaos king

#37 Edited by JwwProd (10551 posts) - - Show Bio

dream is too powerful. even ( in this case even is a good word) the spectre can beat chaos king

No the Spectre would get slaughterd by Chaos King.

If a fully backed Spectre couldn't beat full power Anti-Monitor (And Chaos King is equal to a full power AM) then he is definatly not beating Chaos King.

#38 Posted by ShootingNova (19024 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure what Dream did that could match destroying 98.7% of the multiverse - effectively 99%.

#39 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: there is no fully backed spectre,and that spectre is not his strongest version.

and chaos king is definitely gonna lose against the anti monitor

#40 Posted by ShootingNova (19024 posts) - - Show Bio

Didn't Chaos King drive away Death or something, and the equivalent of that in DC would be Death of the Endless, but I believe Marvel's Death is more powerful.

#41 Edited by JwwProd (10551 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: there is no fully backed spectre,and that spectre is not his strongest version.

and chaos king is definitely gonna lose against the anti monitor

Actually that version of the Spectre was the strongest version and he still lost to Anti-Monitor.

And Chaos King is easily equal to Anti-Monitor.

#42 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: i already told you that is not the strongest version. he had a host which limits him. you already demonstrated that you know nothing about him when you said fully backed. he is never backed by the presence. here are some of him higher feats.

the unbound spectre's last fight was against Nabu, it shows that he can take magic from anywhere in the universe and add it to his own, thus becoming so powerful he killed Nabu with one blow. the only reason he did not take all the magic in the first place was because he was restraining himself

even at base level (meaning using his own magic but not restrained by a host, he fought shazam on even terms, that is a high feat cos shazam was already a skyfather level being, being in the rock increased his powers thousandfold)

#43 Posted by JwwProd (10551 posts) - - Show Bio

@baron_von_santa: I've had enough of this!

If you want to continue this talk to someone else but I don't like getting into arguments like this so I'm leaving.

#44 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: then go. at least do research before debating, then when you lose you will not throw tantrums

#45 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: i gave you examples and you ignore them. you almost sound like that marvel fanboy who said captain America can beat superman

#46 Edited by JwwProd (10551 posts) - - Show Bio

@baron_von_santa: I don't need to do resarch becasue I already know alot about the Spectre.

And I will ask you think, if the Spectre is really almost as powerful as the Living Tribunal then why couldn't he one shot Anti-Monitor? (Regardless if he had a host or not).

He had to get amped by the Sorcerer of the DC universe and yet he still lost to Anti-Monitor!

Also please don't call me a Marvel fanboy because that sound like your being very nasty and biased, I love both Dc and Marvel (But I actually like DC alittle bit more) and I don't want to continue arguing because I am a nice guy and I don't like arguing with people over stuff like this.

And I know other people will agree with me saying that Anti-Monitor was more powerful then the Spectre and that Chaos King can win this fight (Though not in a stomp).

#47 Edited by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: you did not read my arguments at all did you.

a nice man? that has nothing to do with debating.

anyway, if you know everything about him then why do you still say fully backed?

because anti monitor devoured billions of universes already

just read this and you will know the answers to some questions

the unbound spectre's last fight was against Nabu, it shows that he can take magic from anywhere in the universe and add it to his own, thus becoming so powerful he killed Nabu with one blow. the only reason he did not take all the magic in the first place was because he was restraining himself

even at base level (meaning using his own magic but not restrained by a host, he fought shazam on even terms, that is a high feat cos shazam was already a skyfather level being, being in the rock increased his powers thousandfold)

#48 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

a host limits his powers, you seem to not know that too

#49 Posted by JwwProd (10551 posts) - - Show Bio

@baron_von_santa: Ok I made a mistake with the Spectre being "fully backed" please forgive me for that.

I was saying that the Spectre had to get amped by the Sorcerer of the DC universe to even fight Anti-Monitor and yet he still lost!

Though I similer thing happened with the fight with Chaos King and Hercules.

Those feats that you listed were impressive but still not as impressive as Anti-Monitor's feats during Crisis on Infinite Earths.

#50 Posted by Baron_von_Santa (4859 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwwprod: um can you ask one question at a time? i fear you will not read it thoroughly because of boredom or you might miss a spot. no offense