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#1 Edited by pooty (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

Even though DBZ vs Comics are banned, we can still do "Challenge A Viner". I'm not knowledgeable enough to debate either side. So I would like to see "CAV" Dragonball vs Comic debate. If anyone is willing to debate either side in a one on one battle then sign up here. We'll set rules, conditions etc.

Who would like to sign up to defend DBZ?

Who would like to sign up to defend Comics?

#2 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (17304 posts) - - Show Bio

Btw, has anyone ever tried a group vs group debate here? I think it'll be quite awesome if we tried.

#3 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (24774 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm willing to debate Hal Jordan vs any Dragon Ball Z character.

#5 Edited by Pope052 (3186 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty:

I'll sign up to defend DBZ any-day of the week...

#6 Posted by THC (367 posts) - - Show Bio

#7 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (24774 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052 said:

@pooty:

I'll sign up to defend DBZ any-day of the week...

Hal Jordan vs SSJ3 Goku?

#8 Edited by New_World_Order (13187 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone want to face the wrath of Thor?

#9 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7995 posts) - - Show Bio

kneel before zod or martian manhunter yea i sign up i defend comics

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#10 Posted by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

Cosmic against DBZ, i havent done this in a while, but if there is a spot i'd like to give it a try.

Needless to say,i would try and defend a cosmic character, marvel cosmic is what i am well versed with, against DBZ.

#11 Edited by nickzambuto (13656 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer debating the skill of DBZ characters. If anyone has time for Batman vs Goku or the like, hit me up.

#12 Posted by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: how about going insanely high, SSGod version of Goku or perhaps Bill vs Depowered Tyrant.. or something similar??

#13 Edited by Shikarenji (1688 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd Debate on behalf of DBZ anytime

#14 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (17304 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm ready to debate on DBZ's side as well. Depending on who the opposing character is.

#15 Posted by Marksman (1364 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll debate for comics.

#16 Edited by Bossmonster (2227 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm game. Who dares to Challenge The Man of Steel??

#17 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Looking for a Match Master Roshi with Master Genkai.

DBZ vs Manga is Ban as well. Want this match.

#18 Edited by nickzambuto (13656 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: how about going insanely high, SSGod version of Goku or perhaps Bill vs Depowered Tyrant.. or something similar??

Like I said, I don't like higher tier power matches. If I were to debate for a DBZ character, it would be in a depowered match of combat skill, not power. That's why I said Batman vs Goku.

#19 Posted by Killemall (18564 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Fair enough, although since i my knowledge of street level is dismal perhaps we can debate some other time :)

#20 Edited by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

I can defend Batman, or Iron Fist against DBZ. Thats about it.

#21 Posted by DangerousLoki (715 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall said:

@nickzambuto: how about going insanely high, SSGod version of Goku or perhaps Bill vs Depowered Tyrant.. or something similar??

Like I said, I don't like higher tier power matches. If I were to debate for a DBZ character, it would be in a depowered match of combat skill, not power. That's why I said Batman vs Goku.

Goku would destroy Batman in hand to hand combat. Goku vs Karate Kid would be more appropiate as they are both godlike with their H2H based purely on their martial arts skill. Keeping in mind that many of Goku's martial skills aren't a physiological advantage as Master Roshi and Krillin were both human and did the same with martial arts as he did. Yamcha would be more Batman's speed if we're being honest. And Bills is a hand to hand beast. It wouldn't be impossible for Batman to beat Goku. But Goku's speed and strength in his martial arts would certianly make it a difficult trial for Bats to touch him without some serious damage. Unless Bats gets full gear. Then we'd have a match.

#22 Posted by RidTom (214 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll defend both sides

#23 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@dangerousloki: I disagree with you. I would debate Batman against Goku in terms of skill anyday.

#24 Edited by Theorder14 (1494 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara: Shall we resume our debate? u stopped responding for some reason :P

#25 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by DangerousLoki (715 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara: I won't usually debate what I view as an unfair match. But sure why not. Though I'd prefer to see Bats against any of the people in Storm Riders.

#27 Edited by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@dangerousloki: Im curious as to why you think that is unfair, but i guess I'll find out now :) I can set a thread up later tonight if you want

#28 Posted by Theorder14 (1494 posts) - - Show Bio
#29 Edited by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@theorder14: Haha. I remember it now. I seem to already me in a match, and i think it would be better if you debated Goku vs Superman against someone with more knowledge than me.

The only characters that i really know well enough to debate with are Aquaman, Batman and Iron Fist.

#30 Edited by Pope052 (3186 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011: SSJ3 Goku is overkill, SSJ2 and SSJ would handle him rather easily while Base Goku would have only a small amount of difficulty.

  1. Goku is easily faster than the speed of light (don't say that he isn't, because it's been proven on a number of occasions). Hal isn't fast at all without aid of the ring.
  2. I don't see why Goku's energy projection wouldn't be capable of destroying Hal's constructs, because he's done more impressive things with his energy numerous amount of times.
  3. He is physically stronger, one punch and Hal should be finished.
  4. He is a genius when it comes to fighting opponents, if Goku is serious he would study Hal and notice that he creates things through his ring, Goku would then proceed to trick him into thinking he's dashing towards him, teleport behind him, blind him with the solar-flare, snatch the ring off, then Hal is powerless.
  5. Hal will be lucky if he manages to scratch Goku, Goku's reflexes are way too fast for Hal to handle. Not to mention he can use the After-Image if he felt like it.
  6. If it was both without morals, Goku would win easier than he already would have before, because Goku is too good and holds back most of his power because he doesn't like killing. Without morals he would have defeated everyone he has faced alot easier.

#31 Edited by NeonGameWave (7780 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn`t mind debating for either side in all honesty but I`m up for debating and defending for Goku, Bills or DBZ in general. In terms of comics I can debate and defend for Spawn, Ghost Rider and many of the more powerful characters that can range from Marvel, DC, Image and etc.

#32 Posted by NeonGameWave (7780 posts) - - Show Bio

Btw, has anyone ever tried a group vs group debate here? I think it'll be quite awesome if we tried.

Agreed. I`ve thought of this idea before in regards to Goku vs Superman and I suggested it to VinoVash1234.

#33 Posted by DangerousLoki (715 posts) - - Show Bio

@calebhara: In short? Goku has superhuman feats with just base martial arts skill. One-shotting a dinosaur, demolishing a boulder with a single punch of his bare hands, moving faster then the human eye can see, creating after images as part of a special attack, and withstanding blows that shatter stone and bricks without any serious damage.

#34 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (24774 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052: Goku is easily faster than the speed of light (don't say that he isn't, because it's been proven on a number of occasions). Hal isn't fast at all without aid of the ring.

No he is not and I could debunk said proof you provide.

I don't see why Goku's energy projection wouldn't be capable of destroying Hal's constructs, because he's done more impressive things with his energy numerous amount of times.

Hal constructs are very strong against energy, the dude was able to contain a dying star and he has made shields that could stand up to planet busters.

He is physically stronger, one punch and Hal should be finished.

lol you are kidding me right?Hal has taken blows from Superman,Mongul,Hank Henshaw,Wonder Woman etc. Do you really think one blow is putting him down?

He is a genius when it comes to fighting opponents, if Goku is serious he would study Hal and notice that he creates things through his ring, Goku would then proceed to trick him into thinking he's dashing towards him, teleport behind him, blind him with the solar-flare, snatch the ring off, then Hal is powerless.

Like that would work Hal is a smart fighter as well he would not fall for such tricks.

Hal will be lucky if he manages to scratch Goku, Goku's reflexes are way too fast for Hal to handle. Not to mention he can use the After-Image if he felt like it.

Really?Hal is massively hypersonic he should have no trouble tagging Goku.

If it was both without morals, Goku would win easier than he already would have before, because Goku is too good and holds back most of his power because he doesn't like killing. Without morals he would have defeated everyone he has faced alot easier.

Hal with no moral is beastly, Beastly I tell you,he is more dangerous then Goku in that state.

How about we just make the thread and let the Viners decide who wins?

#35 Posted by DangerousLoki (715 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052 said:

@dccomicsrule2011: SSJ3 Goku is overkill, SSJ2 and SSJ would handle him rather easily while Base Goku would have only a small amount of difficulty.

  1. Goku is easily faster than the speed of light (don't say that he isn't, because it's been proven on a number of occasions). Hal isn't fast at all without aid of the ring.
  2. I don't see why Goku's energy projection wouldn't be capable of destroying Hal's constructs, because he's done more impressive things with his energy numerous amount of times.
  3. He is physically stronger, one punch and Hal should be finished.
  4. He is a genius when it comes to fighting opponents, if Goku is serious he would study Hal and notice that he creates things through his ring, Goku would then proceed to trick him into thinking he's dashing towards him, teleport behind him, blind him with the solar-flare, snatch the ring off, then Hal is powerless.
  5. Hal will be lucky if he manages to scratch Goku, Goku's reflexes are way too fast for Hal to handle. Not to mention he can use the After-Image if he felt like it.
  6. If it was both without morals, Goku would win easier than he already would have before, because Goku is too good and holds back most of his power because he doesn't like killing. Without morals he would have defeated everyone he has faced alot easier.

I would just say that point 6 is false. There's no evidence that Goku would have any easier time fighting his opponents by not holding back or that he holds back anything sufficient to make that claim valid. We've only seen Goku really hold back from striking the final killing blow and this is only after along and arduous fight. There's no evidence the fight would have gone in anyother way.

#36 Posted by XxGin (1360 posts) - - Show Bio

Any one in Dragon Ball Z wants to challenge Constantine?

#37 Posted by Marshall_Long (2024 posts) - - Show Bio

Powerscaling Goku should be FTL otherwise his fight with Bills would have been one-sided.

#38 Posted by DangerousLoki (715 posts) - - Show Bio
#39 Posted by Marshall_Long (2024 posts) - - Show Bio

@dangerousloki: Not the end fight Bills still won but Goku was holding his own.

#40 Posted by pooty (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052: @dccomicsrule2011: Okay. How about a SSJ3 vs Hal Jordan battle? Pre 52 Hal or current. Why don't you two PM each other and make the match. I'd love to see it.

@shikarenji: Thanks. we have one person @killemall who wants to debate cosmic characters like Silver Surfer or Thanos. Or @oceanmaster21 will debate Martian Manhunter or @thundergodswrath will debate for Thor. Do you like any of those matchups?

@dangerousloki: @calebhara: Sounds like a H2H match. . Goku vs batman. Pure skill. PM each other and make the match

@neongamewave: How about you defend DBZ against @innersuperman or @thundergodswrath . i'm sure you know who they will be defending. lol

Please include in OP that this is a ONE ON ONE DEBATE. NO OUTSIDE COMMENTS. Make rules, location that you all can agree on.

Maybe even set up points to debate like Combat Speed, Endurance, H2H skill, energy projection etc or do whatever you want.

MAKE THESE MATCHES HAPPEN.

#41 Edited by Pope052 (3186 posts) - - Show Bio

@dangerousloki: Think about it though, in alot of his fights he has had alot of oppurtunities to finish them off but he kept giving them chances to stop killing. If he was without morals for the entire DBZ series, he could have killed Vegeta and Nappa if he didn't hold anything back.

#42 Posted by New_World_Order (13187 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052 said:

@dangerousloki: Think about it though, in alot of his fights he has had alot of oppurtunities to finish them off but he kept giving them chances to stop killing. If he was without morals for the entire DBZ series, he could have killed Vegeta and Nappa if he didn't hold anything back.

That basically applies to pretty much every hero.

#43 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (24774 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: @pope052: @dccomicsrule2011: Okay. How about a SSJ3 vs Hal Jordan battle? Pre 52 Hal or current. Why don't you two PM each other and make the match. I'd love to see it.

Yeah I'm hoping we will do that.It's time for Hal to get the respect he deserves.

#44 Edited by oceanmaster21 (7995 posts) - - Show Bio

i will defend martian manhunter but who is my oppoentopponent

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#45 Edited by DangerousLoki (715 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath said:

@pope052 said:

@dangerousloki: Think about it though, in alot of his fights he has had alot of oppurtunities to finish them off but he kept giving them chances to stop killing. If he was without morals for the entire DBZ series, he could have killed Vegeta and Nappa if he didn't hold anything back.

That basically applies to pretty much every hero.

What he says. The "He holds back" argument is abused alot and while it does make sense to some degree, but it's validity is quickly lost when you look over certain arguments. For instance, Flash getting tagged is usually equated to him holding back. But in reality, this doesn't make sense. There's *no* reason for him to "Hold back" and allow himself to be hit. Now this works when looking at him when he punches someone and isn't able to put them down but we know he has the IMP but he doesn't use it. This is a sign of him holding back as he doesn't want to cause serious damage. But Goku doesn't have the same argument. His fights are more or less even, according to his own internal dialogues, he's struggling in his fights. The only time he holds back is when he has them on the rope and is able to strike a final blow that might end the fight. This isn't a case of the fight being "easier" only that the fight might have ended sooner if Goku goes for that final blow. But this is after a hard fought battle between the two.

Forgot to add that No.

#46 Posted by New_World_Order (13187 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath said:

@pope052 said:

@dangerousloki: Think about it though, in alot of his fights he has had alot of oppurtunities to finish them off but he kept giving them chances to stop killing. If he was without morals for the entire DBZ series, he could have killed Vegeta and Nappa if he didn't hold anything back.

That basically applies to pretty much every hero.

What he says. The "He holds back" argument is abused alot and while it does make sense to some degree, but it's validity is quickly lost when you look over certain arguments. For instance, Flash getting tagged is usually equated to him holding back. But in reality, this doesn't make sense. There's reason for him to "Hold back" and allow himself to be hit. Now this works when looking at him when he punches someone and isn't able to put them down but we know he has the IMP but he doesn't use it. This is a sign of him holding back as he doesn't want to cause serious damage. But Goku doesn't have the same argument. His fights are more or less even, according to his own internal dialogues, he's struggling in his fights. The only time he holds back is when he has them on the rope and is able to strike a final blow that might end the fight. This isn't a case of the fight being "easier" only that the fight might have ended sooner if Goku goes for that final blow. But this is after a hard fought battle between the two.

Agreed.

#47 Posted by pooty (11119 posts) - - Show Bio

@oceanmaster21: not sure yet. i'm waiting on a reply from a DBZ debater

#48 Edited by oceanmaster21 (7995 posts) - - Show Bio

ok

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#50 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio