Challenge A Viner: Data (Fetts) vs Captain America (80'sBaby)

Rules: 
-No prep. 
-Morals on. 
-Victory is won by any means necessary. 
-Data is unarmed. Captain America has his shield. 
-They start 40 ft. away from each other. 
-Scenario: Data beams down to the surface of Earth only to find that something went wrong during transport and that he has landed in a 21st century Earth. Captain America sees Data beam down, and already assumes that Data is an invader. Data has no wish to kill Captain America, but has to defend himself.
-Location: 
 

Ok. Guess I'll start.

Captain America was given the Super Soldier Serum, which granted him Enhanced physical & mental attributes. He's a master of all forms of martial arts and one of the best HtH fighters on Earth. He's also a tactical genius and great leader of men (not that that has any bearing on this fight.)

I will admit that Cmdr. Data is probably faster and stronger than Cap but so what? The good Captain has fought and beaten plenty of people who physically out-class him. Data would be another in a long line to fall.

In short, Cap wins. It's what he does.

Ok. Guess I'll start.

Captain America was given the Super Soldier Serum, which granted him Enhanced physical & mental attributes. He's a master of all forms of martial arts and one of the best HtH fighters on Earth. He's also a tactical genius and great leader of men (not that that has any bearing on this fight.)

I will admit that Cmdr. Data is probably faster and stronger than Cap but so what? The good Captain has fought and beaten plenty of people who physically out-class him. Data would be another in a long line to fall.

In short, Cap wins. It's what he does.

@Fetts: Cap has fought Spider Man (who's faster and stronger than Data,) hitting him multiple times before Peter could react.. He's countered Quicksilver, dodged other speedsters, as well. In your respect thread, you also claim that Data has FTL reflexes due to him dodging lasers, right? Well, Captain America does the same thing:

Cap dodging beams while falling.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4413/captainamerica26604ff3.jpg

Cap dodges beams under zero gravity.

http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv123516rougherpv4.jpg

http://img421.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv123518rougherbg7.jpg

Cap blocks multiple beams in different areas.

http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv300506mm5.jpg

Again blocks multiple beams in different areas.

http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv300807tk8.jpg

Cap trapped in a floor designed to spin with beams coming from all direction.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6793/avengersv103217or6.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4910/avengersv103218yi9.jpg

Cap in volume 3 dodging beams again.

http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav303913jt7.jpg

As far as Data simply stopping Steve with an out-stretched arm, that's very doubtful. You yourself place Data's strength at about the 2-4 ton level. Cap's bashed people with far higher strength than that. If he can make Hulk or Namor stagger back with his hits, then Data's not going to stop him, either.

I'd say Captain America may be just as durable as Data, too. Below are some examples:

Cap falls, notice the Quinjet is close to the buildings height.

http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36314bd8.jpg

Jumps out of helicopter leaves small foot craters on ground.

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page30wa0.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page31tq3.jpg

Jumps out of helicopter onto vehicle.

http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punisherbloodglory0335ct8.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punisherbloodglory0336ch8.jpg

Entire building falls down as Cap, as the Red Scull uses Cap's durable body as the wrecking ball "ouch".

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca320405tm4.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3206zu8.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3209jj1.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3210dy2.jpg

http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3211aj9.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3212ti2.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3213of7.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3214co6.jpg

http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3215uc1.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3216pz3.jpg

So, Data doesn't physically out-class Cap enough to guarantee a win. In fact, Data's never fought anyone like Captain America whereas Data's just another android/robot/etc. Steve's faced many times before. Copying Captain America's moves after he uses them won't get Data the win. Cap is a master of improvisational fighting and can mix things up. Data's main problem is that he thinks like a computer so lacks imagination. Cap will take note of that and capitalize.

@Fetts: No problem, man.

@BeefiestName: No offense man but this is suppose to be a one on one debate between 80'sbaby and fetts. You should at least wait until they are done before commenting.

@bump1010 said:

@BeefiestName: No offense man but this is suppose to be a one on one debate between 80'sbaby and fetts. You should at least wait until they are done before commenting.

Deleted, was new to the forum and missed that part of it.

@BeefiestName said:

@bump1010 said:

@BeefiestName: No offense man but this is suppose to be a one on one debate between 80'sbaby and fetts. You should at least wait until they are done before commenting.

Deleted, was new to the forum and missed that part of it.

No problem. Welcome to the site :)

@Fetts: Cap has fought Spider Man (who's faster and stronger than Data,) hitting him multiple times before Peter could react.. He's countered Quicksilver, dodged other speedsters, as well. In your respect thread, you also claim that Data has FTL reflexes due to him dodging lasers, right? Well, Captain America does the same thing:

Cap dodging beams while falling.

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/4413/captainamerica26604ff3.jpg

Cap dodges beams under zero gravity.

http://img329.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv123516rougherpv4.jpg

http://img421.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv123518rougherbg7.jpg

Cap blocks multiple beams in different areas.

http://img458.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv300506mm5.jpg

Again blocks multiple beams in different areas.

http://img475.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avengersv300807tk8.jpg

Cap trapped in a floor designed to spin with beams coming from all direction.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6793/avengersv103217or6.jpg

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4910/avengersv103218yi9.jpg

Cap in volume 3 dodging beams again.

http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=captainamericav303913jt7.jpg

As far as Data simply stopping Steve with an out-stretched arm, that's very doubtful. You yourself place Data's strength at about the 2-4 ton level. Cap's bashed people with far higher strength than that. If he can make Hulk or Namor stagger back with his hits, then Data's not going to stop him, either.

I'd say Captain America may be just as durable as Data, too. Below are some examples:

Cap falls, notice the Quinjet is close to the buildings height.

http://img490.imageshack.us/my.php?image=36314bd8.jpg

Jumps out of helicopter leaves small foot craters on ground.

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page30wa0.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=page31tq3.jpg

Jumps out of helicopter onto vehicle.

http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punisherbloodglory0335ct8.jpg

http://img101.imageshack.us/my.php?image=punisherbloodglory0336ch8.jpg

Entire building falls down as Cap, as the Red Scull uses Cap's durable body as the wrecking ball "ouch".

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca320405tm4.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3206zu8.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3209jj1.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3210dy2.jpg

http://img453.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3211aj9.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3212ti2.jpg

http://img76.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3213of7.jpg

http://img62.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3214co6.jpg

http://img73.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3215uc1.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ca3216pz3.jpg

So, Data doesn't physically out-class Cap enough to guarantee a win. In fact, Data's never fought anyone like Captain America whereas Data's just another android/robot/etc. Steve's faced many times before. Copying Captain America's moves after he uses them won't get Data the win. Cap is a master of improvisational fighting and can mix things up. Data's main problem is that he thinks like a computer so lacks imagination. Cap will take note of that and capitalize.

BUMP.

Alright, 80sBaby hasn't responded to my PM and I've been waiting awhile. So I'm just gonna start the voting. 
 
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Votes please!

Don't know if that worked... Gonna give it another try. 
 

Short and sweet :D

Going with Fetts here.

Fetts.

@Fetts said:

@80sBaby said:

Ok. Guess I'll start.

Captain America was given the Super Soldier Serum, which granted him Enhanced physical & mental attributes. He's a master of all forms of martial arts and one of the best HtH fighters on Earth. He's also a tactical genius and great leader of men (not that that has any bearing on this fight.)

I will admit that Cmdr. Data is probably faster and stronger than Cap but so what? The good Captain has fought and beaten plenty of people who physically out-class him. Data would be another in a long line to fall.

In short, Cap wins. It's what he does.

I'm well versed in Captain America's abilities.

Faster? Care to name names? Cause I'd love to hear this list. Logically, people who are faster than Cap should beat him. If they're faster than him, than they'd be fast enough to deny any opportunity to utilize any superior skill or intellect Cap might have over somebody. Take Deathstroke vs Batman. Batman is more skilled than Slade because he's studied a huge variety of martial arts. Slade doesn't have any martial art training. But Slade still beats the crap out of him because of his superior physical stats. Slade is so fast that he doesn't give Batman a chance to utilize his martial arts. So in short, speed > skill.

I'm going to post my respect thread in case you'd like info on Data.

www.comicvine.com/myvine/fetts/...data-respect-thread/87-87237/ This is what I see it coming down to. In most cases, Captain America either starts a fight out with either a shield toss or a shield bash. Due to the fact that Data sees in slow motion, he can be prepared for anything. If Cap throws his shield, he can catch it and toss it aside. If Captain America goes for a shield bash, Data can put his hand out and completely stop him in his tracks. Captain America's biggest factor is his shield, since it provides such a balance of defense and offense. If Data tried to punch it, it would have no effect. And if Captain America got him, chances are pretty decent that it'd KO Data, depending where he was hit. Fortunately though, Data has the speed and strength to block any attacks from the shield and disarm Captain America of his shield. Of course, the fight isn't over then. This would then turn into a H2H combat fight. Captain America may be well-trained in martial arts and physical enhancements to boot, but all of those martial arts will end up completely backfiring on him. Data has the ability to copy other people's movements to an exact precision, and has done this before in combat. Any punch or kick Captain America tries can be copied by Data at the exact moment Steve throws one. However, one disadvantage is that Data lacks superhuman agility. So if Captain America tries any agile martial arts, Data can't copy it. Although, he doesn't have to. Like the shield, he can simply block or dodge any type of blow Steve tries to land on him. And from there Data can proceed to kick his arse. So in conclusion, not only does Data have superior speed and strength, but he has all of Captain America's moves perfectly copied.

That is flat-out false, Deathstroke received extensive martial arts training in the Army and he was also thoroughly trained by the assassin Natas.

I give it to Fetts. When i read the OP i thought Cap would take this but @Fetts: made a solid case for the android.

@Fetts said:

@nick_hero22: Really? I was not aware of this. Would you so happen to have scans?

@YoungJustice: @god_spawn: @Stompa: Ty! :D

I don't have the scans available, but I believe there was some mention of Natas training Deathstroke when Green Arrow hired him to improve his martial prowess.

http://www.comicvine.com/natas/29-59931/

@nick_hero22 said:

@Fetts said:

@nick_hero22: Really? I was not aware of this. Would you so happen to have scans?

@YoungJustice: @god_spawn: @Stompa: Ty! :D

I don't have the scans available, but I believe there was some mention of Natas training Deathstroke when Green Arrow hired him to improve his martial prowess.

http://www.comicvine.com/natas/29-59931/

You are correct.

Not really sure where the idea that Slade has no fighting skills comes from....

Going with Fetts. Too bad 80sBaby didn't get a chance to counter your argument.. Nice debate nevertheless.

Captain America's a super hero. He eats androids and robots for breakfast. They're cannon fodder.

@Fetts:His enhancements help but his skill is a huge part of why he does what he does. The main problem with Slades enhancements are that they make it hard to gauge his skill since we don't know what he can do without them and he said they are an advantage.

Gallery

Gallery

Gallery

That's all that comes to mind for Slades skill that I can say couldn't have been 100% relied on by his enhancements. That and Slades training from Natas (which has been posted all ready). There might be more though.

@Fetts: In the showing with Lex Luthor it is stated on the the 4th scan that Lex capable of matching Slades speed so reflexes couldn't have helped him against Luthor at all since they were equal in speed. Skill is the only answer why he didn't get stomped IMO. The showing with Zatanna wasn't meant to be there that he won it was there that he used a pressure point which shows great technical knowledge. We see Slade pinch her under the rib cage.

Slade does use punches and kicks a lot but a lot of martial artists do in comics. The majority of times I see skilled fighters fight I mostly just see punches and kicks more often the things like pressure points. All though I guess we can just agree to disagree.