#1 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

Revolver Ocelot

Ultimate Captain America

Ocelot gets his Gear of 2 Revolvers.

Ultimate Cap Standard Gear of Shield and Machine Gun.

Start 60 feet from each other.

#2 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

your move.....

#3 Posted by nickzambuto (14465 posts) - - Show Bio

I never agreed to this!

#4 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Really?

@nickzambuto said:

@CadenceV2 said:

@nickzambuto said:

I can smack your Ocelot around in a debate 20 ways to sunday and never break a sweat on why Ultimate Cap own.... in ... every.... way.

Then do it. Ocelot won't last more than about a minute or two in h2h, but from Ultimate Cap's speed feats I doubt he'll be able to bring it h2h at all.

@nickzambuto said:

@CadenceV2 said:

@nickzambuto: ......... Its on.....

So what were you saying?

#5 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: Heck i will even give you whatever standard Gear that Ocelot can carry on him.

Unless you admit he cant beat Ultimate Cap?!

#6 Edited by nickzambuto (14465 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@CadenceV2: Heck i will even give you whatever standard Gear that Ocelot can carry on him.

Unless you admit he cant beat Ultimate Cap?!

Nice messaging yourself there. Drunk again? xD

All Ocelot needs is a revolver or two. Opening Arguments:

#7 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: .... Yes.... whats your point? Im always wasted when on this site. XP

#8 Posted by drgnx (3566 posts) - - Show Bio

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#9 Posted by nickzambuto (14465 posts) - - Show Bio

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#10 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: I will open this up.

Ultimate Cap is by far superior to any opponent Ocelot has ever face. He makes Big Boss and Solid Snake look like tame dogs with Cap as the Alpha Wolf.

Ocelot is a mere human with mere Human stats vs a Super Human in every sense. Ultimate Cap has the Reaction Speed, Strength , and Durability on Super Human level. With Skills to match.

This guy has fought ans single handed won WW2 against Nazis led by Chitauri Aliens!

This is not so match of a match of Cap vs Ocelot but more so a debate of just how hard the Communist Ocelot gets stomp by President Cap!

#11 Edited by drgnx (3566 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto said:

@drgnx said:

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#12 Posted by nickzambuto (14465 posts) - - Show Bio

Ultimate Cap is by far superior to any opponent Ocelot has ever face. He makes Big Boss and Solid Snake look like tame dogs with Cap as the Alpha Wolf.

He wishes.

Admittedly though, Captain America wannabe will probably wreck in h2h. I mean, really now, what's some old man gonna do when challenged to a fist fight by a super soldier, right?

Oh wait

Yup, Solid Snake and Big Boss are both every bit as superhuman as Captain America. Taking 500 foot divebombs off giant robots, wielding a mounted Rail Gun like a rifle, defeating multihundred tonners in h2h combat, stomping a man fast enough to blitz precogs, taking on entire armies at a time, and according to the U.N, being an actual nuclear deterrent in themselves. Ocelot, having never recieved a day of training in his life besides standard military protocols, stalemated the inventor of CQC just after watching him do it. 50 years later and Shalashaska had plenty of time to master any other assortment of fighting styles he pleased, but never bothered since CQC was already the best there is. Old Snake, heralded as The Man Who Makes The Impossible Possible, can't seem to break Ocelot's defense.

Adamska is smarter than Cap. This will be the ticket to victory. Of course he could go fist to fist if he were that arrogant, but thing is, he's not. Who'd win there is a debate for another time, first, Cap needs to be proven capable of initiating CC at all. When faced with a marksman of Revolver Ocelot's capacity, there's no promising Cap will even have the chance to test his much vaunted superhuman physicals. 60 feet is a big distance to clear, I wouldn't put it past Ocelot to have one between Steve's eyes before he reaches 30. He's a natural born cowboy, to put it bluntly. Sharpshooting is in his blood, there is not a man alive who's gunplay surpasses that of Revolver Ocelot.

He always knows what's going on. He's always in control. Nearly every event in the entire series to ever transpire was masterminded by him. And when it comes to combat, he truly starts to let lose. Cap has a shield, but unless he actively moves faster then bullets, he won't be able to block every shot when Ocelot unloads the entire clip from each revolver in a nanosecond.

A dozen bullets, each aimed at a different body part, expertly ricochetted to cover the soldier's entire body. What's Cap gonna do?

#13 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: LOL You try to compare Snake and big Boss to Caps Stats?

This guy took on Shield Super Soldiers who have lifted 60+ tons while Tranquilized. It took a Charging Iron Man Suit burying Cap 6 feet under to KO him.

How tough are these Super Soldiers?

They're not lightweights....

Then we have Cap Durability and Skill.

Abomination who is 100+ toner. Caps fine.
Charging IM Suit.... Merely KO cap.
Cap brushes off ICBM Missile Launch jet wash like nothing. here he is also doging Nazi SS shots with ease.

You show me any of that then I will be impress...

Heck Cap Skill in H2H brought down the Hulk who was trashing Iron Man and took Thor its with a laugh (a painful laugh).

Thats more impressive than H2H with Big Boss.

As far as H2H Cap will kill. I will post scans later to that for sure.

Getting into Range is not hard at all. Cap is faster than any human on earth period. He is also a Bullet Dodger in every way.

Reacts to Lighting Attacks.

Reacts to lightning Attacks again!

How about when Cap sawm miles thru ocean and then beat down a city of Terrorist with Guns and RPGs easy. Gunfire All Around and he just keeps running and killing with no hits.

Cap jumping Gunship to Gunship blocking heavy fire everytime.

Cap has dodge so much gunfire and lightning it is recockulas.

What is Ocelot going to do that these Sharp Shooting Moondragon Clones firing from all directions can't?

Even if Cap takes a hit he has Kevlar Suit that can help with the Torso area and a Healing Factor that allows him to brush of the rest.

Cap would tank the round and move on with no worries. The only chance Ocelot has is really a headshot. Even then that is easily covered by Caps superior Skill, Shield, and Reaction time.

#14 Posted by nickzambuto (14465 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL You try to compare Snake and big Boss to Caps Stats?
This guy took on Shield Super Soldiers who have lifted 60+ tons while Tranquilized. It took a Charging Iron Man Suit burying Cap 6 feet under to KO him.

Impressive. But Snake CQCd two Cyborg Ninjas, technically three if we count Kyle, not to mention Vamp. Big Boss has defeated a man who fights at hypersonic speeds, and they've both dedicated their entire lives to destroying giant robots of death.

Hell, the guys Big Boss trains take on tanks and attack choppers every other day. Meanwhile, Solid Snake took on the same troops like fodder.

Not saying either will take a majority against Ultimate Cap in a straight brawl, but the fact that hundred tonners, bullet-speed movement, and supernatural fighting mastery are standard fair for them speaks for itself.

^ Depowered Vamp beats Cyborg Raiden in a knife fight,

^ Old Snake defeats Vamp in h2h

The fact that Ocelot might very well be superior to the Snake's in raw technique should alot him giving Ultimate Cap a challenge at the very least in CC. However, as I said, h2h between these two is a whole nother debate. I'm still not convinced Cap can even bridge the gap between them to engage in h2h at all.

Revolver Ocelot's gunplay is unmatched. His flawless accuracy and incredible timing; Cap has blocked lightning but Ocelot emptied an entire clip into it with time to spare.

5:55

How about when Cap sawm miles thru ocean and then beat down a city of Terrorist with Guns and RPGs easy. Gunfire All Around and he just keeps running and killing with no hits.

Hmm, how about when Big Boss hiked for days through a thick jungle, destroyed an entire league of advanced AI mechs, scaled a mountain bare handed after falling face first from the top, snuck inside a heavily fortified CIA fortress and made his way all the way through, THEN beat down an army of Spec Ops with guns, RPGs, and Ciphers easy. Gunfire all around and he just keeps running and killing with no hits.

10:45 few dozen soldiers all firing at you simultaneously with snipers positioned to scope you out of your cover while Ciphers fly around just to f*ck things up even more? Ehh.

14:50 on the run as squadrons of soldiers front and back blast you with everything they've got? Meh.

16:20 the base's final defense, all troops called in for a final stand, gunship tearing the whole place apart as your only cover is literally blown up right in front of your eyes? No biggie.

Now, all that said, AALLL THAT SAID, Big Boss's army-stomping exploits haven't stopped Ocelot from shooting him. Or at least he would of shot him had the fight not been interrupted.

If Big Boss can do the exact same thing as Cap and still not match up to Ocelot, then logically Cap should fair no better right?

Cap's H/F isn't very advanced, the scan YOU posted states a gunshot takes a few hours to heal from! If Ocelot so much as grazes Steve, the soldier will stutter, and that will allow him his chance to finish it.

4:50 Just one nanosecond of distraction on Steve's part is enough for Ocelot to pick up the slack. He handles his revolvers so perfectly he can pretty much turn them into automatics by resetting the hammer so quickly.

Not sure if so cool he's gay or so gay he's cool...

#15 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto:

Impressive. But Snake CQCd two Cyborg Ninjas, technically three if we count Kyle, not to mention Vamp. Big Boss has defeated a man who fights at hypersonic speeds, and they've both dedicated their entire lives to destroying giant robots of death.

Hell, the guys Big Boss trains take on tanks and attack choppers every other day. Meanwhile, Solid Snake took on the same troops like fodder.

Not saying either will take a majority against Ultimate Cap in a straight brawl, but the fact that hundred tonners, bullet-speed movement, and supernatural fighting mastery are standard fair for them speaks for itself.

^ Depowered Vamp beats Cyborg Raiden in a knife fight,

^ Old Snake defeats Vamp in h2h

The fact that Ocelot might very well be superior to the Snake's in raw technique should alot him giving Ultimate Cap a challenge at the very least in CC. However, as I said, h2h between these two is a whole nother debate. I'm still not convinced Cap can even bridge the gap between them to engage in h2h at all.

See its hard to say with any respect how superior Ocelot is in H2h at all. Cyborg Ninjas? Metal Gears? All weak when compared to Ultimate Hulk, Captain Britain / Spain / France / Italy, Iron Man, Abomination, Nuke, Abdul, ect.

Seriously here some perspective on Caps H2H.

Ultimate Hulk had a Tank dropped on him. Yet it took Caps fist to put him down for any length of time. Big Boss and Snake defeat Metal Gears eh?

Hulk wrecks 50 foot Crimson Dynamo Suits by the dozens!

Cap put same Hulk down with his Fist and Shield.

This is the Kleiser. The Chiitari Commander and long time nemesis of Cap. Cap fought this guy MANY times. His Healing Factor is better than Vamp as is his sight. He is also Strong and Durable enough to stand up to Hulk for a short time.

As seen Cap goes toe to toe with this guy and holds his own well. Some say (like yourself) he needed saving. This is BS. Cap has fought this guy many times and won before this.

As seen Kleiser comment how Cap has bested him before and Cap again here bested him again. This guy Healing Factor cannot be undone by any means of Cap. Big Boss and Solid Snake would have never killed this guy at all. Yet Cap survives him and manages to temporary KO him with a Shield slice.

Cap has taken on this Russian SS filled with Vision Parts. This Russian has been fighting and killing in a Prison filled with Monster Super Solders (Some Super Strong, Durable, Lightning Powers, Fast, ect) over 60 years! Cap walks around and measures him up and kills him easily.

Revolver Ocelot's gunplay is unmatched. His flawless accuracy and incredible timing; Cap has blocked lightning but Ocelot emptied an entire clip into it with time to spare.

Cap minor Healing Factor (Blood loss is no threat) and Super huamn Durability as well Unlimited Stamina means whatever shots Cap take will be brushed off like Broken Ribs from Hulk and Nuke. He will close the distance while protecting his head and thats really all he needs to do. What you fail to realize is Cap also has a Machine Gun.

Cap loves to Cover Fire or force Ocelot into cover if not outright shoot him. Its alot harder (As Big Boss showed in his battles with Ocelot) to gunsling when dodging for cover.

Cap asleep for 50+ Years has strength and reaction to dodge 2 Fully Auto Tranq Rifles from Shield Agents with a Bed Pan.....

I think a shield and at peak performance will block Ocelot human shots.

Hmm, how about when Big Boss hiked for days through a thick jungle, destroyed an entire league of advanced AI mechs, scaled a mountain bare handed after falling face first from the top, snuck inside a heavily fortified CIA fortress and made his way all the way through, THEN beat down an army of Spec Ops with guns, RPGs, and Ciphers easy. Gunfire all around and he just keeps running and killing with no hits.

Now, all that said, AALLL THAT SAID, Big Boss's army-stomping exploits haven't stopped Ocelot from shooting him. Or at least he would of shot him had the fight not been interrupted.

If Big Boss can do the exact same thing as Cap and still not match up to Ocelot, then logically Cap should fair no better right?

So Big boss running around STEALTHY and not directly charging gunfire with a host of Weapons (Guns, Bombs, Missiles, Gear) with chance of rest (and a Smoke) in between is tough huh?

After fighting off all the 60+ toners and getting pounded by the IM Suit, Cap is left to rot in a cell for the next few days.

Cap has been tortured by Schizo Man and when freed by Wasp he takes on this Mutiple Man with ease.

Then after a pounding from Abominationgets into a life and death match vs Abdul.

After killing Abdul cap is then thrown into a dragged out battle with Asgardian Trolls, Ice Giants, Fire Demons, ect till Thor saved the day.

Cap's H/F isn't very advanced, the scan YOU posted states a gunshot takes a few hours to heal from! If Ocelot so much as grazes Steve, the soldier will stutter, and that will allow him his chance to finish it.

4:50 Just one nanosecond of distraction on Steve's part is enough for Ocelot to pick up the slack. He handles his revolvers so perfectly he can pretty much turn them into automatics by resetting the hammer so quickly.

Cap healing is not instant repair like Wolverine. Do you know how long it takes to heal Broken Ribs fully? Months. Cap does it in a few days. Knife Stabs from wound to little or no scar take Months. Cap is hours.

That is a ADVANCE Healing Factor. Cap will never bleed out, internaly bleed, or die of shock and blood loss like a human would. This is pivotal for tanking Gun Shots and 100 toner hits.

we have not even got into Skill yet.

Cap against all odds out thinks this problem with a Cosmic Cube Red Skull.

Within a few hours of the Brotherhood of Mutants bombing the bridge, Cap has gathered intel and only with Himself, Black Widow, and Hawkeye takes out the group.

He took out Rogue (who was skilled from Weapon X), Toad, Juggernaut (Weapon X again), Master Mind, Hard Drive, and Vanisher. Rogue and Juggernaut alone would wreck Metal Gear Solid Teams.

Cap made a plan and executed it within hours of a attack by the Mutants.

A little hard to read but Cap again within LESS than a hour puts together multiple plans of taking down Hulk. Including the Wasp KOing Hulks brain. Something 616 Cap never thought of ever!

The Scan before this is the Allies Commanders telling Cap to join the main attack on the base. Cap says they will never breakthrough in time and loose alot of men. So he literary on the Fly (get it it?) makes a opening!

This is not even a fair match to Ocelot at all. Its a murder stomp. Against 616 Ocelot might stand a good chance but lost this with Ultimate Cap.

When Ocelot gets Air Nikes let me know. Like Cap in this Scan Im out. :)

BAMSKY!
#16 Posted by nickzambuto (14465 posts) - - Show Bio
This is not even a fair match to Ocelot at all. Its a murder stomp. Against 616 Ocelot might stand a good chance but lost this with Ultimate Cap.

THEN WHY DID YOU MAKE THE THREAD WHEN I NEVER AGREED TO IT?!

Bleh, it's like I told you, all the strength and skill in the world will help Cap KO Ocelot, but what he needs right at this moment is speed. Without that, he'll have an entire clip unloaded into him before he can even think about bringing it h2h.

Ocelot has has prolonged gunfights with both Big Boss and Solid Snake, far better marksman than Cap, so Steve's machine gun is not a big deal. His biggest advantage is his shield, the gun will probably just get in the way actually. Admittedly Cap's skill with the shield makes tagging him difficult, but when you have such control over bullets as Revolver Ocelot does, effortlessly ricocheting them off two corners and up his enemies ass, then getting around such things becomes less troublesome.

As tactical and manipulative as Ocelot is, all he needs to do is box Cap up. The soldier can't dodge if there's no where to dodge, and unless he actively moves faster than bullets he won't be able to block with the shield. Snake and Big Boss, I'm confident, have an edge in speed over Ultimate Cap, yet they'd be screwed had their fights with Ocelot not been interrupted and in open spaces.

^ Solid Snake takes on Fortune. She is quite literally unbeatable (later on Ocelot outsmarted her but that's beside the point). And equipped with a specialized Rail Gun that fires projectiles at mach 20 speeds, she should of made short work of David.

However, the man who makes the impossible possible proves once again why he earned that nickname, by dodging every shot she fired for hours on end before finally being captured.

Null effortlessly deflected bullets, even while still in adolescence he was single handedly killing dozens of soldiers at a time with merely a knife. Big Boss found the way to defeat him is by throwing away the guns and using his fists.

Gene blitzed a precog and moved faster than humans can even perceive. Big Boss stomped him.

Liquid Snake was an unrivaled pilot, singlehandedly destroying two F-16 Fighter Planes in a snowstorm with merely a Hind D chopper. His skill is obvious, but Solid Snake dodges every shot he fires whilst repelling down a tower on a rope.

My point in all this? Hypersonic reflexes or no, Ocelot would easily kill both Snake's at once if given the chance. You've posted plenty of great Cap feats, but are low on the only one that matters: speed. That's the only way for him to win.

I'm about done here. Anything to add?

#17 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Nah Im good. Remember you made this happen! You brought the Super SUPER Soldier out in this match :)

Either way it was fun to talk Cap again... even if it was a murder stomp on a old man.

#18 Posted by nickzambuto (14465 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@nickzambuto: Nah Im good. Remember you made this happen! You brought the Super SUPER Soldier out in this match :)

Either way it was fun to talk Cap again... even if it was a murder stomp on a old man.

Unbeknownst to you Cap is but another pawn in Ocelot's master plan.

#19 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickzambuto: Be that as it may.