CaV: Ty Lee (GothamCiti) vs MCU Captain America (Spector_Rand) - [FINISHED]

Artificially Enhanced Physiology: As a Super Soldier, Steve Rogers possesses peak human abilities, such as formidable intelligence, strength, speed, durability, agility, stamina, dexterity and reflexes, as well as a healing factor that prevents him from being drunk. The serum metabolized and enhanced all of Steve's body natural abilities to the peak of human potential, pushing into the early levels of superhuman potential. It transformed a frail and sickly Steve into the "perfect" specimen of human development and conditioning. Captain America frequently exhibits superhuman abilities as a result of the Super-Soldier serum. Captain America is extremely intelligent, strong, fast, agile, and durable. Although the SSS is definite, he maintains an overall healthy lifestyle including a regular exercise regimen and a balanced diet. This appears to have increased his capabilities further, much like how it increases strength in non-enhanced humans.

Enhanced Intelligence: Steve's mental performance has been greatly enhanced to the very peak of human potential. Allowing his mind to operate in the most efficient and rapid manner possible, some manifestation of this are his exceptionally perfect;charisma, eloquence, leadership skills, deductive/analytical skills, and tactical genius; the ability to quickly process multiple information streams (e.g., threat assessment) and rapidly respond to any changing tactical situations, by creating perfect winning strategies rapidly. He possess perfect memory was able to perfectly replicate the locations of all HYDRA bases on a map, despite "only getting a glance." He is able to instantly learn anything, he can memorize, understand and recall all kinds of information and skills in limitless capacity. Even with his limited knowledge of modern technology, he was still able to help Tony repair the Helicarrier and prevent it from crashing, or when he quickly gave the Avengers and the first responders their jobs to minimize and contain damage from the invasion.

Enhanced Strength: Rogers' strength is enhanced to the peak of human potential, moving into the early levels of superhuman potential. His strength allows him to overpower normal humans, even humans who have Olympic-level strength and even alien ground troops and robot sentries. He can tear through objects such as reinforced glass, bend metal bars, slam through solid walls and pry open the steel doors of the Helicarrier. In combat, his strength allows for him to send enemies such as soldiers flying from mere punches and kicks. His strength is inferior to high-level super-humans like Hulk or beings from other realms like Loki or Thor. Nonetheless, his combination of his strength, and combat skills him an incredibly formidable opponent to those that would try to attack him. During his USO tours, Steve was able to lift a motorcycle frame with three show girls sitting on top, without any strain. Once he boarded the Lemurian Star, Rogers was able to defeat the mercenaries with a combination of strength, speed and offensive use of his shield. Also, while in an elevator, Rogers was able to overpower a dozen skilled combatants. He was also able to pull himself away from the immense magnetic force applied on his hand by a magnetic lock, which most others cannot achieve. Steve Rogers was able to lift a massive metal support beam to save a trapped Winter Soldier. Rogers was able to support the concrete debris to save Black Widow and himself from being crushed. It is evident that the strike power of Captain America is greater than humans as men with all their equipment and aliens in armor flew back several meters in air after being attacked and are knocked out cold after only one hit. When chopping wood Rogers ripped apart a block of wood trunk in half using his bare hands. More recently, he has been able to throw a moving motorcycle at a jeep, and displayed the strength to toss Ultron through a concrete pillar, during their fight in Seoul. During Ultron's initial attack on Sokovia Cap was also able to support the weight of an entire car, proving his strength goes well beyond that of an ordinary man.

Enhanced Durability: Steve's bones and muscles are denser and harder than normal humans, to little above of the highest level of human potential, which makes him much more durable than a human beings. While he is not completely bulletproof, he can survive blunt force trauma such as being hit with solid objects like his own shield or contact with superhuman opponents like Loki, the Winter Soldier and the Red Skull. With his vibranium shield, he is capable of surviving falls from heights that would absolutely kill a normal human. Steve was tasered, shot, stabbed, caught in several explosions and took several beatings, including being blasted through a city bus by the Winter Soldier's grenade launcher from the flyover above, falling from the 30th floor of Triskelion and getting beaten by the metal arm of Winter Soldier in the face multiple times but he kept moving with little to no discomfort. The greatest feat of his durability is when Rumlow tried to taze him with the Taser Rod. He was able to resist it for more than 5 seconds with little discomfort whereas normal humans would become unconscious within a second of contact. He also dropped down to one of the Insight Helicarriers from a considerable height. Steve was able to dive out of a Quinjet without a parachute into open water. Steve was also able to take the full power of both Ultron and Iron Man's repulsors straight in the chest, as well as Scarlet Witch's telekinetic hex bolts and a super-accelerated punch from Quicksilver, all without any permanent damage whatsoever.

• • • Enhanced Speed: Steve can run and move at speeds that are superior to the finest Olympic athlete. He can run/swim between 30-60 mph with ease, faster if pushed. He can keep up with most standard vehicles and cover a small area such as city blocks within a short period of time. Sam Wilson stated that Steve ran over 13 miles in less than 30 minutes, during their first encounter. While completely unmatched, Steve was quick enough to surprise Quicksilver and knock him out with his shield.
    • Enhanced Stamina: Steve's musculature produces less fatigue toxins during physical activity than the musculature of an ordinary human. Rogers' body eliminates the excessive build-up of fatigue-producing chemicals in his muscles, granting him exceptional endurance and lung capacity, greater than of normal humans. He can function in peak capacity for hours before showing fatigue.
    • Enhanced Agility: His agility is greater than that of an Olympic gold medalist and leagues above even the worlds greatest acrobats. He can coordinate his body with perfect balance, equilibrium, flexibility, and dexterity. He also has the ability to leap 50 yards out in a single bound and 20 ft into the air without a running start. He can reach very high places with great ease. While escaping the destruction of the HYDRA base that Bucky was held captive in, he was able to leap from one end of the complex to the other side in order to escape. During his chase of the Winter Soldier, Steve was able to leap outside his apartment into the building across the street, he leaped over a cars with a simple running moves and parkourose any momentum. Steve uses his enhanced agility to perform amazing parkour and gymnastic moves, that would be impossible for a normal human to accomplish.
    • Enhanced Reflexes: Steve's reflexes are similarly enhanced and are superior to those of the finest athlete, beyond human potential which allows him to dodge even multiple gunfire in close range. His auto-reflexes allow him to easily dodge gunfire and attacks even when not consciously aware of them, his immense reflexes can be used to attack and counter instead of just defensive purposes.
    • Regenerative Healing Factor: Steve Rogers also possesses a powerful regenerative healing factor in his biology. He is immune to all infections, diseases and disorders; also Rogers cannot become intoxicated by alcohol, drugs, toxins, or impurities. For Steve, large cuts and bruises heal within minutes and even fatal gunshot wounds and fractures will mend within 2 or 3 hours. Any and all injuries will heal and regenerate rapidly and perfectly without leaving a trace of injury. When Steve regained consciousness the healing factor completely restored his super-enhanced capabilities. His increased healing abilities also helped him to rapidly rejuvenate to his prime conditioning & capabilities, after he was defrosted as well as kept him alive when he was in cryo-stasis. It also seems to be rapidly regenerating already very healthy slow-decaying cells, theorizing he has a form of ageless immortality.
    • Master Martial Artist: Rogers is a master at combat and the field of martial arts. He has an extensive knowledge in melee combat. He also held a variety of martial arts, having its combat style composed of a mixture of American Boxing, Judo, Jiu-jitsu, Taekwondo and Akido (possibly have learned some fighting styles with theHowling Commandos). In addition, Rogers also showed refined fighting techniques, applying characteristics of Muay Thai, Karate and Wing Chun. Even in World War II, Captain proved to be a great fighter, using his knowledge in combat in addition to its enhanced attributes and indestructible shield, having thus defeated hundreds of Nazi soldiers, and even the Red Skull himself. After being revived in the 21st century, Rogers was quickly put into action; he proved able to keep abreast with the Frost GiantLoki in combat for a short period, and also managed to defeat hoards of Chitauri aliens at the Battle of New York. When a police officer questioned why he should take orders from Captain America, the latter defeated several attacking Chitauri soldiers with ease, inducing the impressed officer to follow his orders without question. When he joined S.H.I.E.L.D., Rogers received more extensive training, proving more than capable of defeating several armed pirates, many soldiers of HYDRA, a dozen STRIKE agents (while limited by the confined space of an elevator), as well as also having Georges Batroc knocked out in a fight one on one and fighting to a stalemate with the Winter Soldier in the first fight, and then managing to defeat him with a technical Jiu-jitsu in the second fight. His combat level is shown to be at least on par with the Winter Soldier and Black Widow. Rogers was even able to use his combat skills to hold his own against the much stronger Ultron, and give him a prolonged battle. He also managed to defeat hordes of Ultron Sentries during the Battle of Sokovia. Captain America's combat skills are considered legendary, make him one of the greatest fighters in the world.
    • • Shield Mastery: Over time of training and experience with his unique shield, as well as its physical properties, allow him to accomplish amazing feats with the item. Aside from bashing foes and blocking incoming attacks, he is able to throw it with nearly perfect aim. Rogers can hit multiple targets with the same throw by means of ricochet, and could even achieve a boomerang-like return effect, allowing him to strike enemies from behind or retrieve the shield without objects to ricochet from.
      • Expert Tactician: Rogers is an accomplished strategist. He is able to formulate battle strategies and his brilliant tactical sense allows him to alter any strategy to fit the changing need of the situation. A prime example is when he formulated the plan to go in first by himself in "the front door" of Skull's hidden base and then after they bring him in, the assault team and then the full force of the Strategic Scientific Reserve came in. His tactical brilliance also came into play during the Chitauri assault on New York, first in organizing first responders to protect the civilian population, and then re-deploying other members of The Avengers to best defend the city with their limited resources (even the usually anti-authoritarian Tony Stark recognizes Rogers' tactical abilities and accepts his assignment).
      • Indomitable Will: Steve Rogers is an extremely dedicated person. Despite being physically weak and small he still tried to enlist in the Army, before being rejected due to his poor health and physical condition. Even after he became a "Super Soldier" instead of fighting the enemy, Steve was used to inspire the American soldiers. That is until he heard that the 107th battalion including Bucky where captured in a nearby HYDRA facility he went behind enemy lines and rescue them. After he rescued the imprisoned soldiers Steve was finally put into active duty. But after Bucky supposed death he went into a depression feeling that it was his fault. But after talking with Peggy and when it came down to stopping HYDRA once and for all, he found the strength to finish it. However, upon being awakening from the Arctic and found that the world had changed and gone on without him, he once again went into a depression. However, due to striking a friendship with both Coulson, who is his greatest fan and Romanoff, who was friendly with him when they met on the deck of the Helicarrier, he slowly but surely started to come back around. It is only when called back to action does Rogers fully find the strength once again do what needs to be done.
      • Leadership - Rogers has a great skill to inspire others to follow him, including the Avengers, S.H.I.E.L.D., STRIKE, the Howling Commandos and even Nick Fury. When New York City Police officers questioned why they should take orders from him, Captain America fought a battalion of Chitauri warriors alone, causing them to accept his leadership. He inspired the agents loyal to S.H.I.E.L.D. to fight against HYDRA operatives wanting to launch Project Insight with a motivational speech. Shortly before the Battle of Sokovia, Rogers addressed his fellow Avengers, successfully deploying them to get the citizens of Sokovia to safety, and continues to motivate them throughout the battle itself. After Ultron's defeat, Steve took a permanent role as the leader of the "New Avengers".
      • Advanced Military Operator: Rogers is well-versed in all Armed force disciplines including intelligence gathering, escape arts, demolition, survival tactics, swimming, mountaineering, march or drill skills, map making, map reading, communication systems and vehicles used in armed forces. It is unknown if he had to update any of these skills since his reawakening, but it could be possible or some of them may still be equal to that of most modern special forces soldiers.
      • Expert Marksman: Rogers can throw most projectile weaponry with great aim and is well-versed in the use of firearms like the military-issued Colt 1911 or the Tommy Gun during WWII and eventually modern firearms, picking up an assault rifle and using with ease. While he knew how to use the modern assault rifle, he was not use to it and missed his targets each time he fires and even slipped from the platform he was and grabbed a wire to stay on the ship when caught in a hail of gunfire from the men that he was fighting on the Helicarrier.
      • Expert Sketch Artist: Rogers enjoys drawing and does so with his free time. He even adds humor and irony to his drawings as he sketched himself as a monkey in the original Captain America uniform. He also sketched Stark Towerand the surrounding area on a napkin to perfection.
      • Multilingualism: Rogers speaks both English and French fluently.

Ok so, first I want to address a few points.

Number 1 - Ty Lee's durability.

Ty Lee has no durability feats that indicate she is anything other than a young girl. Cap will literally be able to one shot her. Ty Lee is so weak, in fact, that punching the top of a human head damages her hand:

Note Sokka maneuvers his head in the way of Ty Lee's strikes and she is unable to avoid hitting him. Cap, who has a faster reaction time than Sokka, will be able to move the much larger and easier to wield shield in the way of Ty Lee's first strike. This will create an opening that will allow him to hit her with an attack like this:

An attack like this will be a KO (hell it would probably kill her).

Number 2 - Ty Lee's Combat Speed

While Ty Lee is very agile, her wins seem to be predicated on a combination of ambushing and fighting unskilled fodder. When coming up against any opponent with skill, they have been shown to quite easily dodge her strikes:

In fact, I would posit to say in a straight up H2H fight with no ambushing, Ty Lee isn't that skilled:

She doesn't seem to move particularly fast or fight effectively. This becomes doubly troubling for you when we have an onscreen depiction of Cap using the perfect technique to counter her attacks:

With the physical gap between them being so great, Cap blocking her will most likely break her wrist, as will him blocking her strikes with his shield.

Number 3 - Cap's Enhanced Physiology

So, Cap's abilities as that of a Super Soldier mean his physiology has changed. Clearly a superhuman, his durability is much higher than that of a regular human and his bodies regenerative capabilities are much faster. This calls into the very effectiveness of Ty Lee's attacks and, even if they do effect him, they will definitely not last as long.

So, I would ask for feats of her using her abilities on anyone with durability even close to Cap's.

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^ Here's Aang and Katara getting smacked around and enduring hits by a Swamp bended creature by Huu.

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Okay first off all, Ty Lee doesn’t normally strike at the head and doesn’t need to for Steve. That was pretty much a joke feat for the comic relief Sokka while her hand fully recovered like 3 seconds afterwards.

Second, Ty Lee has been shown to successfully numb the rest of Sokka’s limbs so there’s no point in saying Ty Lee can’t paralyze Steve because Sokka’s head is sturdy. Steve doesn’t necessarily have to get hurt for his life energy should still get blocked.

Your missing the point here. Her hand was damaged by Sokka's head, which is significantly less durable and nowhere near as hard as Steve's shield. The first time she tries to strike, Steve will block it with his shield, ramming it into her hand. This will definitely damage her hand and create an opening. We saw how poorly she handled the pain when she hit Sokka's head, imagine when an unbreakable vibranium shield breaks all her fingers.

It's durable enough to tank shots from Thor's hammer and an RPG so it's definitely stronger than Sokka's head:

No matter how hard his head is, it's still not as hard as vibranium. While the case could be mad that she would break her hand hitting Steve's own body, thats not what I'm saying. The shield>Sokka's head in hardness. Meaning Ty Lee's hand will definitely be damaged when Steve uses it to block her strikes.

I’m pretty sure Ty Lee was just aiming for his head. Well joke moments aside, Ty Lee is capable of limber positions and can easily contort her body in close range to avoid punches and kicks as well as jumping over her opponent and can circle Capt like how she did against this earthbender and Katara.

Yes she has some good feats against fodder. However, against skilled opponents who haven't been ambushed, her strikes have been shown to be dodged easily by multiple opponents who have slower reaction time than Cap and are less skilled in H2H.

Possibly, and that’s being generous considering Avatar characters have had interesting durability feats. Ty Lee’s durability wasn’t fully shown because she never got tagged in combat.

You can't assume she has durability higher than a normal human girl her age and this is supported by her hand getting damaged by hitting Sokka's head. She has no durability feats indicating she can tank even a glancing blow from Cap.

Okay, for the Katara encounter, Katara was still unable to gain any particular advantage against Ty Lee regardless. So Katara was only temporarily prolonging her eventual defeat.

But Katara was still able to dodge her strikes. Cap, who is more skilled in H2H, with a better reaction time and is physically more powerful, will be able to do the same thing. And this is where it differs between the two. Katara didn't have what it took to put Ty Lee down. She wasn't more skilled, stronger, faster and all round more capable than Ty Lee, as Cap is. She didn't have a reliable counter to her strikes, as Cap does in his shield, and she wasn't willing to kill her, as Cap will.

Katara in particular, had about three encounters with Ty Lee but was still defeated each time just from her agility. Ty Lee even managed to defeat her here in a later rematch with a single hand grab while jumping around her which Ty Lee can do to Steve once she sees an opening.

And all those encounters involved ambushing or sneak attacks. Thats not the case with Steve, who starts this battle knowing they are about to fight and has a much more combat oriented mind set. Couple that with his enhanced physicals and his willingness to kill, then Ty Lee is going down.

As for the Sokka encounter, Ty Lee was pretty much just going easy on him because she had a crush on him. She even playfully flirts “Ooh, looks like we’re dancing…” without any real concern. She could have easily done what she did to Katara above.

I disagree here. While yes she was flirting, she's still fighting and her combat speed is consistent with her other showings. At that point she was too afraid of Asuka (from what I've gleaned from the series) to openly let Sokka escape for the sake of a crush.

Ty Lee can still ambush Steve by taking advantage of her agility and environment (and has no reason to go easy on him because of her basic knowledge of him).

Cap has blocked bullets (as shown above), and knows what she is capable roughly. He's not going to be ambushed here. An ambush indicates there is no knowledge of a fight about to commence. Thats not the case here. Steve knows they are going to fight and he will be ready.

Except Suki’s literally in Ty Lee’s league. Saying Ty Lee isn’t skilled because of her fight with Suki is like saying Captain America isn’t skilled because he has close fights with Bucky instead of one shotting him.

Not really the same thing. Bucky demonstrated super human physicals, lethal combat skills and a ruthless mentality. With what you've shown of Suki, she has no great combat showings and is just agile. Her being in Ty's league just means she's a good match for her, doesn't mean she's on Cap's level and this is supported by what you've shown.

Suki herself has shown insane parkour and agility feats, as well as the skill to defeat many firebenders with on her own warrior martial arts reminiscent of Aikido and Tessenjutsu.

Parkour and agility don't indicate H2H skills. She again has only really defeated fodder without ambushing, her combat speed is much slower than Cap's and her physicals nowhere near his level. Cap has used his skill to fight opponents much more powerful than either of the two Avatar characters.

So she’s no slouch in the skills department.

Agility wise? Sure. Combat wise? Debatable.

Her being agile doesn't really play much into this fight. She can avoid him for a while, but she has to close the fight to win. Once engaged, it doesn't do much for her at all unless she wants to run again. She isn't quick enough to take Cap off guard, so this process will continue to be repeated until Cap drops her.

I’m confident Suki is agile enough to give Steve hell as far as getting tagged (though Capt would eventually win against Suki only because Capt is durable enough to endure punches while Ty Lee is capable of numbing Steve’s joints to incap)

She hasn't really shown anything to indicate that. Cap has agility feats equal to if not superior than her and he outclasses her in physicals, speed and skill. Cap could drop her with a shield throw, but thats another debate :)

Suki was pretty much only able to keep up because of her own speed, and even then the fight was inconclusive and nobody got truly tagged. My money’s personally on Ty Lee against Suki just cause she was bound to eventually get a hit which would incap Suki down.

Neither of them have a combat speed anywhere near Cap's. If Suki=Ty Lee, then thats not that impressive. As shown above, regular humans can evade and dodge Ty Lee's strikes. Cap can most definitely out shine them in this department.

I say her wrists wouldn’t break because Steve is still human even if it’s the peak end. I might concede if Steve could tank bullets without scratches but that’s not the case.

But she's going to be hitting his shield, not his body. He's strong enough to break her wrists with blocking using just his hands by swatting her strikes away and the shield will definitely break her hands.

There are plenty of other characters in the Avatarverse with impressive durability feats and there’s nothing to suggest Ty Lee’s pressure point strikes wouldn’t work on any other Avatar verse character except maybe Combustion Man in all seriousness (please don’t ride that Sokka joke feat…).

Ok, but that has nothing to do with Ty Lee. She has no durability showings, other than her damaging her hand on Sokka's head. You might, I stress MIGHT, have a case if every single person in the Avatar universe was shown to be this durable and if Ty Lee didn't have the low showing of her hand being damaged by Sokka's head, but neither is the case. You can't extend to her the feats and durability of other characters in the universe. That would be like me assuming Cap can survive in space because Star Lord did, or Cap can survive terrigenesis because Quake did. If a character has no feats (which in fact isn't the case here, she has the damaging hand feat) then one should assume she falls in the average range of durability for someone similar to the character, that of a skilled young female. Her fighting style even gives some credence to this idea, as she has a primarily evasive style.

I hope that convinces you Ty Lee's fingers won't break.

Not really. The shield will definitely break her fingers. Comparing the unbreakable vibranium shield to Sokka's human (however durable) skull shows this.

Honestly, with her combat speed and Cap's skill/reaction time, its entirely conceivable that he could break her hand or arm simply by swatting it away or grabbing it. He has been shown to break the arm of an enhanced adult male (Winter Soldier), so breaking the limb of a young girl should not be difficult at all.

I will admit, how exactly long Steve’s chi will be blocked is an interesting question, but it should be at least a couple of minutes which should be more than enough time for Ty Lee to formally win via Incapacitation or a Morals Off Ty Lee can then finish off the fight by snapping Steve’s neck.

Ok so the untold nature of how long Steve's chi is actually incapped works out in my favour. When comparing a regular and the blatantly superhuman Captain America, you see that he is greater in all aspects. His metabolism works magnitudes faster, he heals much much quicker, he can take untold levels more punishment, his reaction time is faster, his body more durable, his mind can remember things better and he is tremendously more agile. Logically, with no other information presented, one would assume he can return from chi incap much faster than a regular human. What is the average time one's limbs are incapped btw?

Regardless, this is assuming Ty Lee hits Cap, which honestly isn't likely to happen. His reaction time, H2H skills, combat speed and his shield all mean it will be very unlikely she hits him before he can knock her out or kill her. The shield is a huge advantage. The size of the shield and caps skill with it mean that all the areas Ty Lee will usually target are protected. If she tries to hit him, he will block, damaging her hand and creating an opening to put her down.

Even IF one of his limbs becomes temporarily incapped, that doesn't render him beaten at all. He is exceptionally skilled and Ty Lee exposing herself to land a strike will most definitely lead to Steve counter-striking. He has been shown to react on the fly in battle, as when Quicksilver blitzed him or Winter Soldier took his shield. The difference between Cap and Ty Lee however, is that her first strike won't put Cap down, whereas Cap's first strike will.

Another quick aside, she most definitely cannot muster the force necessary to break his neck. It takes a massive amount of force to break a humans neck, and thats for an average man, let alone a girl with no strength feats to indicate she is physically any stronger than an adult male. Now, that makes it a hard sell anyway, but lets look at who's neck she's trying to break. This is a superhuman, who's taken punishment much more severe than anything Ty Lee can muster. The superhuman strikes from Winter Soldier (which were shown to break a regular humans neck) did nothing of the sort to Cap, who tanked multiple hits. The sam goes for Red Skull, Loki and Ultron. All are superhuman in physicals and Cap took all of their shots. She literally has no way of killing him and her only method of putting him down, that of the chi blocking, has an undetermined time limit. For all we know, it might not even work on someone with his enhanced physiology. That means your only way of winning this battle is placed into the realm of conjecture anyway.

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Ok so, from what I've seen, Ty Lee tends to jump around from area to area then close with her opponent. Cap's going to stay in the middle of the clearing, waiting for her to come to him, as is generally how she operates.

Once she does, he's more than capable of reacting to her attacks.

Her immediate attack will be first block by her shield, which will most definitely break her hand. As shown earlier, she has very little pain tolerance and this will easily create an opening for Cap to kick her, smash her with his shield or other wise KO her. He has been shown to knock out fully grown and trained men in single strikes, in fact with more than enough force to send them flying dozens of meters and dent metal. Ty Lee is definitely not tanking even one hit from The First Avenger.

Looking at the size of the shield and the vast area it can protect, it becomes clear that Ty Lee's major striking points will be obscured by the shield. Cap's skill with it makes this doubly certain. This is even more devastating for you when we consider the fact that when Ty Lee does strike at Cap, and he does block, her hand or foot will be broken.

Now, this is pretty much how the fight is going to go down. Cap is faster in H2H, has the better reaction time and combat speed, and is more than powerful enough to knock her out or even kill her.

In fact, Ty Lee's only method of even winning this fight, incap via chi blocking, is up in the air. The very effectiveness of this attack is highly questionable, as Cap's superhuman physiology, regenerative capabilities and inane levels of durability ensure that Chi blocking will be limited in some fashion, with it more than likely effecting him for a very short time, if at all.

Even IF Ty Lee does incap one limb, that will leave her exposed for a counter strike, one that will most assuredly end the fight.

All in all, Ty Lee's lack of durability and combat speed mean she is going to be on the losing end of this battle.

• Cap has a better reaction time and combat speed than Ty Lee
• Cap can literally one shot her, his striking being enough to well and truly put her down for the count
• Cap's shield presents a major obstacle for Ty Lee, who's primary areas to target will be protected by the shield
• Cap's shield will break Ty Lee's hands when he blocks her strikes, creating a massive opportunity to put her down
• The effectiveness of Ty Lee's chi blocking techniques gets called into question when you consider Cap's physicals. That means her only way of winning is not even a sure-fire method, but is conjecture in itself
• Cap is capable of breaking her limbs with relative ease. This is a more effective method of limb incapacitation
• Ty Lee's low pain tolerance severely limits her here
• Cap's fights with Batroc and Winter Soldier set a precedent for Cap easily blocking H2H attacks via swatting them away, a technique that will be doubly effective on Ty Lee as she is not as fast as either of those opponents nor will she be able to tank anything Cap throws at her in close range
• Ty Lee's attacks are consistently dodged by opponents with combat speed much lower than Cap's
• Cap definitely has what it takes to block her strikes, damage her via blocking, OHKO her and out fight her, as supported by feats

Ok thats all I've got to say this round.

Appa is capable of lifting steel tanks with his horns and fought and won against dangerous animals like the shirshu Nyla which is a more skilled and dangerous hunter than a wolf or tiger, and a Boar-q Pine which are huge boar like animals with pines like a porcupine.

Katara vs Azula:

Azula feats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdcdhgn0zHM

^This pretty much shows Azula's analytically ruthless as well as having evasive agility without bending above Aang who uses airbending to run, jump, and fight at super human speeds and can blitz Steve.

Katara vs Zuko:

Zuko feats (in addition to the superhuman kicking feats from before):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsEsqT3wYuA

^Showing proficient swordsmanship and martial skill by taking down hordes of elite Admirals and skilled weapon guards without bending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1XAkHan1G0 (forgive the lame cutaways)

^Non bending Zuko has the advantage against a skilled swordsman named Jet who could give Aang with airbending trouble.

It’s pretty much shown Katara can hold her own with a skilled Zuko and prodigy Azula so she could definitely give Steve trouble with her prodigy level waterbending.

I'm sorry if this turned into too much of a respect thread, but I wanted to show Katara has impressive speed and reaction times needed to bend water and ice.

Also, Katara was willing to throw lethal ice discs at Ty Lee which would have pretty much skewered her if Ty Lee hadn’t avoided it. Ty Lee will likewise be cautious of Steve’s shield as a projectile from her overall experience and has the agility to work around his shield and h2h close up.

But it’s a low ball feat countered by numerous more feats before and after of her hands not getting damaged by striking the rest of Sokka’s limbs and back as well as immobilizing characters like Azula (who could tank lightning and explosions without a scratch) and Katara (who tanked hits from Huu who’s clearly stronger than Steve and firebending) without issue. There’s logically no reason for her hand to get stubbed other than to get a one-off snarky remark from Sokka who was quite clearly shown to be her inferior.

Not really. Striking a skull would hurt more than striking a limb. Thats just fact. Striking a skull is directly hitting bone and their is no soft tissue to break the impact, nor is there any nerve clusters for her pressure point striking to affect. As well as this, you yourself established the hardness of Sokka's head, which was tanking boulder busting kicks. The unbreakable vibranium shield is definitely harder than his head, so it becomes apparent that if Ty Lee damages her hand hitting something not as hard as the shield, then she would surely damage it when she does hit the shield.

Another point, neither Azula's nor Katara's bodies are as hard as the shield, so your point becomes invalid. Nor, for the matter, are they as hard as Sokka's head. The only time she's hit something evenly remotely comparable to Cap's shield, she hurt her a hand, reacted in pain and left a massive opening. When she hits the even harder shield, being wielded by the superhuman Captain, she's going to be even more damaged, in more pain and leave an even wider opening, to which Cap will capitalise and end the fight.

As an aside, your overselling both Katara and Azula's durability. Azula is a fire and lightning bender, so her tanking lightning and explosions isn't all that impressive, and Katara was hit all of one time by Huu, who was made of soft swamp substance. And that one hit kept her out of the fight for some time.

It’s honestly unfair to make a case entirely out of that moment alone.

Not at all. It's consistent with the rest of her appearances, is an unambiguous feat and is canon. nothing unfair about it.

Trying to make the best of that though, even if Ty Lee’s fingers get hurt from the shield, she can still flip or jump around the trees or Steve and use her free hand to try attacking more cautiously while the pain goes away in only a few seconds.

Not really. As was the case when she hit Sokka, her pain tolerance is really very low. She was definitely distracted and couldn't fight, and that was as a result of damage and pain much less than the that which will be brought on by striking the vibranium shield.

With basic knowledge of Steve’s indestructible shield, Ty Lee shouldn’t be as off guard as she was with Sokka once.

How was she off guard? She was openly attacking him, AFTER she ambushed him. In fact it's quite the opposite, an off guard Sokka managed to eventually react to and block her strike. There was nothing off guard about that situation at all.

It would be fair to say she can’t scratch the shield, but to say her fingers will break is a stretch because her fingers weren’t seriously harmed from Sokka’s head. They weren’t even broken or sprained. Just caught off guard and were usable again right before Sokka made his comeback.

Not really. Her fingers were hurt by hitting something nowhere near as hard as Cap's shield. Cap has the strength to break limbs with his bare hands. Hitting someone with already established weak hands, with an unbreakable shield is clearly going to break them.

You're really underestimating Ty Lee's striking strength which can even bypass heavy armor worn by the Kyoshi warriors and the Terra Team.

Striking strength has literally nothing to do with this. No matter how hard she strikes the shield, it won't budge. What's more, I doubt the Kyoshi warriors armour would let them tank Zuko's kicks. If it's anything like samurai armour, it definitely cannot take boulder busting force. In fact, the armour appears to be less covering than that of a samurai, and if Ty Lee's striking, which is not a feat of strength but of placement, can phase them then the armour shouldn't be all that impressive. In fact, what durability feats does the armour have?

But Ty Lee will be cautious of any pain from the shield and should pressure Steve on the defensive and attack when Steve will be momentarily distracted.

Regardless, she will try to attack him. Steve has blocked bullets so he will be able to block her strikes. When he does, she will be injured and this will give him all the opening he needs.

The Kyoshi warriors are a step up from fodder and are skilled in actual h2h and Ty Lee was able to avoid their strikes and beat them unambushed.

Feats to prove that Steve wouldn't utterly fodderise them? Cause from that gif all I can see is Ty Lee easily avoiding their strikes and putting them down. Thats not impressive when her own reaction time and combat speed isn't great.

But Ty Lee has been able to beat Katara and Katara has shown her skill against Zuko and Azula who have agility and combat feats that could beat Capt.

The point still stands. She could avoid Ty Lee's strikes. Steve will be able to do the same.

Zuko and Azula both cleanly beat Katara and neither of them have reaction time feats anywhere near Steve.

Trying to say that Ty Lee=Zuko/Azula because because Katara hung with them for a short time doesn't fly. Especially when both opponents clearly beat Katara, and Katara was capable of easily avoiding Ty's striking.

Neither Azula nor Zuko have shown the capability to react to bullets. Meaning Steve > Azula > Zuko > Katara > Ty Lee where reaction time is concerned.

I’m going to discredit the Sokka's head feat as Ty Lee’s sole durability feat.

I don't see how. She hit his head, she hurt her hand. She hits the shield, she'll hurt her hand worse. It's pretty clear cut.

Ty Lee has gotten cheapshotted by an angry tail swipe from Appa twice who’s pretty much a huge animal called a sky bison who’re bigger and stronger than many dangerous real life animals such as wolves, rhinos, and hippos and are big enough to lift and carry around 7 people on it’s back.

Striking feats for Appa's tail? If it's anything less than being able to send fully grown men flying at high speeds with enough force to dent metal, then it's less than Caps.

That lifting feat is ridiculously impressive. Given the size of the main beam (roughly 8-9 meters long, close to a meter wide and half a metre thick, and assuming it is common carbon steel, the beam would weigh roughly 25-35 tons. This is in addition to the two smaller beams that are roughly two meter's long. Adding their additional weight (10-15 tons), Cap is attempting to move 35-50 tons of steel, in such a way that the weight is spread out and more difficult to move than if one was trying to press the structure. Now, in no way is Cap capable of lifting or striking with 50 tons of force, however it is still an impressive feat.

Another feat to note, in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D Season 1, Episode 10 "The Bridge", super-soldier/gamma/cyborg hybrid Deathlok pushes a bulldozer across a field. When he asks his trainer if he beat Captain America's time, he is told he was not even close. A quick internet search said standard Bulldozers range anywhere from 30 to 60 tons, so this is an exceptional feat. The nature of the feat makes it difficult to use in any meaningful way.

So yeah, don't think Appa has anything on Cap.

Ty Lee was also slammed with earth bended rock at high g forces from Toph while her guard was lowered, yet was able to gracefully land at a high ground and shrug it off.

Don't see any slamming here. Looks like the earth bender lifts the ground from beneath her and the force propels her skyward. There is no impact shown, so this is hardly a durability feat.

Aside from her withstanding those attacks, Ty Lee’s fingers weren’t subbed when she chi blocked Sokka’s feet running full force. If she really had a child’s durability, her finger would have pretty much been stepped on and crushed, but they weren’t. So if Steve tries to block her strikes or kick her, she could pretty much neutralize Steve’s strikes mid attack.

Ok a couple of things:

• Her fingers and just being laid to be trode on here, as your implying. They aren't being stepped on, she is clenching her fist and reinforcing her raised knuckle.
• What's more, she has room enough to strike, meaning she is applying some degree of force and isn't getting trode on.
• On top of this, she's striking the bottom of someones foot. Thats not as hard as a skull and nowhere near the level of hardness of the shield. It's really completely irrelevant.

If they send her back from the force, Ty Lee can counter flip and swoop in again.

Not really. The impact will much harder than that and much more damaging. She has on screen displays of handling pain poorly and she has never been hit by someone as strong as Steve, so she isn't just bouncing back. Whats more, the force won't launch her high into the air but propel her violently outward.

But Katara was still able to get eventually tagged more than once and Steve blocking a couple blows won’t mean much in the end.

The fact of the matter is, someone with a reaction time lesser than Steve's was capable of avoiding her strikes for an extended period of time. Cap will only need that one chance to end this fight.

Plus Katara is no slouch in the speed and reaction department based on her fights with Zuko and Azula who’s pretty much superhuman in strength and reaction times and highly skilled in non bending h2h.

Countered above.

The encounter where Ty Lee incaped Katara with a single hand was just overwhelming her with raw speed. Ty Lee can beat Katara either way.

This was after an ambush and after Katara evaded her for some time, AND Katara was distracted.

Steve (even with basic knowledge of her chi blocking) would likely underestimate Ty Lee from her appearance and assume she isn't that skilled.

How? Why would he just forget the knowledge he already has? He's not an idiot and he has morals off here. Doesn't make sense for him to just assume she's unskilled even when he knows she is in fact skilled.

Ty Lee will run at Steve with the combat oriented mindset of immobilizing Steve fast and swiftly before he truly realizes how dangerous she is.

He already knows she's skilled and he's fighting to kill. I don't see how she is out skilling or out fighting someone who is more skilled and more powerful than her, let alone someone who can block bullets.

I don't think so. I think Katara was just more skilled than the generic fodder that was the Kyoshi warrior.

Ty Lee clearly wasn't fighting Sokka at her best. And if she just betrayed Azula right there, Azula would be mad...

Your point contradicts itself. If Ty Lee was going easy on him then Azula would have been angry. Thats the entire point, she wouldn't risk angering Azula by letting Sokka off easy.

Steve blocks aim from human fodder, and Ty Lee is no fodder. Even if Steve has a rough idea of her abilities, he won't realize how truly agile she actually is until he sees it first hand.

Winter Soldier is human fodder?

The same Winter Soldier who shot Nick Fury three times in the chest through a building, or who could shoot a target through Black Widow's body?

But Ty Lee is above Steve in agility and combat speed. So by just reacting to Ty Lee, Suki is above Steve.

Agility? Maybe. Combat speed? Not a chance. Reacting to bullets is greater than anything Ty Lee has done. She was out reacted by Katara and Sokka. Suki, who got stomped by Azula, reacting to Ty Lee just proves Ty Lee isn't on the same level as those top level Avatar characters, who also aren't on Steve's level in combat speed.

Plus, Suki was able to briefly hold her own against Azula who also has super human physicals, lethal combat skills (fire + lightning), and is equally ruthless and not above killing like Steve.

Suki got stomped. Azula > Suki > Ty Lee in combat speed.

Parkour and agility do indeed indicate the speed Suki would operate in a fight. And both Suki and Ty Lee have faced opponents of super human caliber.

Not in combat speed. If she tried to flee, then yes it would play a part, but it has no bearing on how fast she strikes.

What superhuman's (Stats wise) has Ty Lee faced? I know Suki got stomped by the very not superhuman Azula.

As for combat wise, Suki is the most skilled and experienced member of the Kyoshi warriors. And my point wasn't necessarily that Suki can beat Capt but that see can at least react to him through her combat speed which rivals Ty Lee and top tier Avatar verse characters.

Being the best of a bunch of featless fodder isn't that impressive. Suki and Ty Lee are not on Azula's level nor are they on Steve's. Your really reaching for that.

But you pretty much admitted Suki can avoid Steve for a while, and whether or not Steve is superior in skill is or could drop her with a shield throw is debatable and I'm not debating for Suki.

If she tried to flee then yes she could avoid him for a little while. In a straight fight though, she would get one shotted.

Suki is just close to Ty Lee which is pretty much all Suki needed not to get incaped in less than 5 seconds. I still feel Ty Lee would have won in their unfinished fight. And Avatar protagonists and antagonists aren't regular humans.

All your points for Ty Lee and Suki's H2H and combat speed are unsubstantiated. Your using them both as a reference point for each other, then highballing them by comparing them to Azula, who outclasses them both and stomped Suki.

If Steve blocks, his hands will get parahaxed, and the shield won't be enough just faced up.

Not really. She was blocked by characters with slower reaction time than Steve and she didn't do this.

I wasn’t saying Ty Lee could replicate those feats.

I was primarily using the feats to show how Ty Lee can block others with known durability feats but now I see you were trying to make a case for her hand breaking on Steve’s shield.

Understood.

Aside from whether or not her fingers get crushed (they won't), Ty Lee’s durability isn’t an important factor because she has the speed and skill to react to Steve.

They really will. They were damaged when she hit Sokka's head. Thats the hardest thing she's hit and its the only thing remotely comparable to Steve's shield.

No she doesn't. Steve is the faster of the two in H2H. Watch his fights with Winter Soldier or Batroc (Here and Here). He fights at a speed above and beyond her, which is supported by his bullet blocking feats.

We haven't really seen Sokka's head get severely hurt or KO'd. Just cause the shield is unbreakable doesn't mean it would do any lasting damage against really durable opponents like MCU Thor or Hulk who's leagues above Steve.

I never brought up either of those two, who would both utterly decimate Ty Lee.

Steve's shield has redirected bullets, tanked blows from Thor, RPG's and multi story falls.

If Capt grabs her arm, Ty Lee will use her free arm to make Steve lose a limb. If both of Ty Lee's arms are grabbed, Ty Lee can even use her feet to strike Steve and Ty Lee is flexible enough to reach for Steve's arms via her feet.

I think I've pretty much proven why this won't happen.

Furthermore, Steve isn't going to just stand there and hold onto her arm. If he's grabbed her he's going to break her arm or throw her. Fast.

She doesn't hit them in the head, it's pretty clear that she hit them with body shots, indicated by the clutching his abdomen. Whats more, even IF she hit them in the skull, you yourself proved that Sokka has a skull more durable than the average.

But I'm sure Steve won't get the chance for that.

The average time is about 5-10 minutes. But since Ty Lee is capable of paralyzing every Avatar verse character including those with blatant super human stats and durability feats to withstand untold levels of punishment, I see no reason for Steve to recover fast enough for it to matter.

No matter how durable they are, they are still human in their physiology. Cap is post human, having enhanced cellular regeneration and an increased metabolic rate as stated on screen. His body is so post human the intoxicating effects of alcohol are completely ineffective against him. Thus there is a precedent for things that would normally affect humans being completely ineffectual. This coupled with superhuman regen and an enhanced durability mean it's more likely than not the chi blocking will be muted in its capability.

I would also challenge the durability of Asuka and other upper tier Avatar characters being anywhere near Steve's, who was thrown hundreds of meters off a bridge and into a moving bus after being hit with a rocket propelled grenade. He also has jumped hundreds of feet and landed smoothly, as well as tanking shots from Mid Tier Superhumans like Loki and Ultron.

That's what jumping around is for. Ty Lee will search for an exposed spot since the sheild can't protect his entire body. Ty Lee could even use her agility to make Steve lose track of her until it's too late.

You aren't doing this to Steve, who operates at a speed much faster than Ty Lee.

The exposing yourself arguement goes both ways. Steve will expose his limbs if attacking or counter blocking with fists and Ty Lee is able to paralyze with just a single finger. Once she gets the first strike, Steve won't be able to defend as easily especially once she gets a single strike to his back (which is always exposed even when in shield mode) which would be gg.

Not really. Steve is faster, stronger, more skilled, more powerful and more durable. Not to mention, he has an undeniable counter in the form of his unbreakable shield. His reaction time supersedes that of characters who have effectively dodged and avoided Ty Lee for extended periods of time and kept track of her. He has the power to one shot her and the blocking capabilities to damage her even when deflecting her attacks.

Quicksliver was just caught off via ambush and I'm not saying Steve isn't skilled, but Ty Lee won't break her fists easily as you're making it out to be.

I am referring to when Quicksilver blitzed Steve and he reacted to the strike, using his agility and Speed to no sell the strike.

Ty Lee is beyond an average man. And average man wouldn't last a second against any Avatar character (even Sokka). Ty Lee has the striking strength to sucessfully imboblize Sokka, Katara, Toph, and Azula (as well as any other high end Avatar character).

No they might not win in a fight, but they have better base durability.

Now, just address something. Ty Lee practices Chi Blocking, or pressure point striking. This isn't a feat of strength but a technical strike. She doesn't surpass peoples durability with her striking but rather hits nerve clusters to numb them. This is most likely not going to be effective against Steve who is post human and his body has been shown to have different responses to external stimuli than other humans.

I'm not saying it will or won't affect him, but the fact that it is questionable and is the only way you can even hope to win this fight really leaves you no leg to stand on.

Sokka being the buttmonkey of the group, has endured comedic punishment while still living to tell the tale or make a snarky remark.

Katara has withstood rocks thrown at her by Toph like it was nothing, hits from Huu who has the strength to easily carry and destroy steel tanks (which Steve couldn't do on his own), and firebending from Azula and Zuko who can casually slice buildings and destroy diamonds

Azula has withstood her own lightning (which killed Aang who can take a lot of punishment), up close explosions, and high end hurricanes from Aang which smacked and sent her flying hundreds of yards without a scratch.

Toph has tanked lethal fire bending boosted by Sozin's comet with metal armor which would cook a normal human until they're well done.

Regular human physiology shouldn't be comparable to Steve, not to mention, Ty Lee doesn't overpower their durability as stated above.

Regardless, a lot of what you said is highballing. When does Huu lift steel tanks? How much did they weigh? Tanking a rock is not comparable to Steve, and firebenders tanking fire or lightning is not impressive.

The physicals in the Avatar universe are just straight up not comparable to legitimate Superhumans.

• Ty Lee with her more evasive combat speed and fighting style will make Steve lose track of her.

Not likely. She doesn't move fast enough to do this.

• Ty Lee should be durable enough to tank at least a handful of Steve's glanced punches and kicks and can immediately incap Steve starting with a single strike to the back or shoulder, or gradual numbing of all his limbs.

This is entirely questionable and your basing your entire hope of winning on a method thats foundation is shaky at best. Could she incap him? Maybe. You'll need more than that to cement a win.

• Cap's shield can be countered by Ty Lee jumping and step siding around Steve and strike his exposed back even when in shield mode.

Highly unlikely. Steve isn't going to just stand there rooted to the spot and allow her to outmanoeuvre him at he leisure.

• Ty Lee has the striking strength and durability not to get her hands broken by Steve's shield which will only delay the inevitable and can be easily dodged when thrown.

Completely false. She hurt her hitting something magnitudes softer than the shield.

• Ty Lee's chi blocking techniques should be very effective on Steve since they have worked on Avatar characters with solid durability feats on par or superior to Cap's physicals. That means doubting their effectiveness is conjecture in itself.

This is straight up not true. No one in the Avatar universe has physicals anywhere near Steve's nor are they post humans with enhanced physiology.

• Ty Lee can counter strike with either her free arm or legs to render limb incap an invalid option.

Her reaction time has been proven to be too slow to pull this off.

• Ty Lee's pain tolerance can be bypassed if brought by jumping around Steve or resting momentarilly in a tree while she quickly recovers not as surprised, and won't be brought up to begin with.

Not at all. When she's in pain, she stops fighting. This is proven by feats and cannot be argued.

• Cap's blocking H2H attacks via swatting them away, will be his down fall as Ty Lee will react accordingly and incap each strike with a single finger leaving Steve unable to use his shield or stop Ty Lee from making him quadriplegic by simply grabbing his shoulder.

I don't see how. She has been effectively counter by this method before and wasn't fast enough to do what you're claiming. Whats more, Steve has used this method on opponents faster, stronger and more lethal than Ty Lee.

• Ty Lee's attacks are only dodged by opponents with combat speed above Steve.

Like who? Katara, Sokka and Suki are all leagues below Steve. You yourself said its POSSIBLE Asuka and Zuko, two of the best examples in the Avatar verse, might be close to Steve (They aren't at all. This is proven by feats.) Azula stomped Suki and Katara, who were easily avoiding Ty Lee's strikes. You pretty much dug your own grave here.

• Ty Lee definitely has what it takes to chi block and dodge Steve's strikes, bypass his durability via chi blocking, and paralyze him as well as not hurt her fingers supported by feats of her crippling Avatar characters with durability above Steve.

Once more, Chi Blocking is not bypassing durability, it is pressure point striking. It's not Steve's durability that calls this into question (though to be honest he is durable enough to shrug it off anyway), it's his post human nature.

Not really. Striking a skull would hurt more than striking a limb. Thats just fact. Striking a skull is directly hitting bone and their is no soft tissue to break the impact, nor is there any nerve clusters for her pressure point striking to affect. As well as this, you yourself established the hardness of Sokka's head, which was tanking boulder busting kicks. The unbreakable vibranium shield is definitely harder than his head, so it becomes apparent that if Ty Lee damages her hand hitting something not as hard as the shield, then she would surely damage it when she does hit the shield.

Oh dear...

The back and shoulders in particular don’t have much tissue surrounding it, yet Ty Lee was able to chi block in those areas. It’s an assumption that tissue is soft when it can be tough through the developed muscles or durability of characters.

Plus, there are nerve clusters at the head/skull area in the traditional Chinese Meridian system which shows where the life energy qi/chi flows. Ty Lee’s martial arts are based on the real life Chinese pressure points. Ty Lee through logic should have still blocked his chi through points on Sokka’s head.

But Sokka’s head pretty much has toon force since that moment happened when he was still considered a joke character. That was just pretty much an instance of Rule of Funny. A violation of logic and common sense (Ty Lee being a pressure point master being unable to block a weak character’s head) being permissible since it gets a laugh from the audience.

Sokka hasn’t replicated his chi flowing intact feat in every other instance of him and Ty Lee.

Likewise, no limit has been shown for Sokka’s unreasonably sturdy head in both a serious and non serious moment. Through Rule of Funny, Sokka’s head can be as strong as it needs to be as long as Sokka acts funny.

it’s plausible Steve can shield bash him 10 times in a row for a conscious Sokka to respond:

“Ya missed a spot!” or “I’m just getting started!”

Sokka through comic relief moments has also teleported DBZ style more than once which he shouldn’t logically be able to do so with his stats.

He just isn’t reasonable if you take every feat involved with him at face value.

Another point, neither Azula's nor Katara's bodies are as hard as the shield, so your point becomes invalid. Nor, for the matter, are they as hard as Sokka's head. The only time she's hit something evenly remotely comparable to Cap's shield, she hurt her a hand, reacted in pain and left a massive opening. When she hits the even harder shield, being wielded by the superhuman Captain, she's going to be even more damaged, in more pain and leave an even wider opening, to which Cap will capitalise and end the fight.

My point was that since Ty Lee didn’t even stub her fingers against superhuman Azula or Katara which are weaker than the shield, even higher damage against the shield is a far cry even if she doesn’t scratch it.

Sokka’s toon force head can easily be above the shields durability and if Cap sends Ty Lee back, Ty Lee could easily recover in a few seconds since she’s been sent flying back before.

As an aside, your overselling both Katara and Azula's durability. Azula is a fire and lightning bender, so her tanking lightning and explosions isn't all that impressive, and Katara was hit all of one time by Huu, who was made of soft swamp substance. And that one hit kept her out of the fight for some time.

Being a bender doesn’t automatically give you immunities or resistances to your own attacks. This isn’t Pokemon. Zuko’s scar given to him by the most powerful Firebender in the show is proof of that.

Her tanking explosions show Azula wouldn’t be damaged from grenades which Steve has to resort to blocking with his shield.

Katara was actually hit twice, and the swamp substance had a lot of force behind it which is why it sent her flying hundreds of yards. This same force is seen again when the creature threw tanks for several hundred yards again with a single hand. Huu wasn’t going easy on the Gang because he felt they were intruders who were threatening the swamp he was dedicated to protecting. It didn’t keep her down with serious or minor injuries or even knock her out for Katara to continue the rest of the fight momentarily.

Thus, Katara wouldn’t be KO’d by a kick from Steve that might at best send her flying a couple yards.

Not at all. It's consistent with the rest of her appearances, is an unambiguous feat and is canon. nothing unfair about it.

Like I said, it’s inconsistent with Ty Lee being able to paralyze people from virtually any area since she’s knowledgeable of vulnerable areas of the entire human body.

It’s also inconsistent with Ty Lee pain tolerance of taking an earth formation to the gut or attacks from Aapa off guard without KO or serious injury while washing on shore and getting back up just fine.

Plus, her striking the backs, shoulders, and limbs of stronger Avatar characters speak for themselves.

How was she off guard? She was openly attacking him, AFTER she ambushed him. In fact it's quite the opposite, an off guard Sokka managed to eventually react to and block her strike. There was nothing off guard about that situation at all.

I meant with how durable Sokka’s toon force head is.

And just before that moment, Ty Lee pretty much outreacted to all of Sokka’s strikes and kicks nonchalantly even after Sokka saw her numb his first hand, paused and still couldn’t reach her.

This pretty much showed more than once her combat speed is above Sokka’s.

Since Ty Lee is aware the shield is sturdy, she will likely brace herself for any potential pain (while actively avoiding it as well to begin with) considering she took an earth formation to the gut and Appa’s tail strike.

Not really. Her fingers were hurt by hitting something nowhere near as hard as Cap's shield. Cap has the strength to break limbs with his bare hands. Hitting someone with already established weak hands, with an unbreakable shield is clearly going to break them.

Okay, her fingers were hurt from an unlimitedly durable toon force head. And her fingers aren’t weak by her striking other characters with established durability feats without flinching.

Striking strength has literally nothing to do with this. No matter how hard she strikes the shield, it won't budge. What's more, I doubt the Kyoshi warriors armour would let them tank Zuko's kicks. If it's anything like samurai armour, it definitely cannot take boulder busting force. In fact, the armour appears to be less covering than that of a samurai, and if Ty Lee's striking, which is not a feat of strength but of placement, can phase them then the armour shouldn't be all that impressive. In fact, what durability feats does the armour have?

Okay, Here’s Suki with armor tanking a hit from a rhino dragon tail and Zuko’s kick swipe with her armor.

Regardless, she will try to attack him. Steve has blocked bullets so he will be able to block her strikes. When he does, she will be injured and this will give him all the opening he needs.

If Ty Lee were in that situation, she would realise she wouldn’t gain any advantage in that confined bridge and flip around or under the metal bars and bridge itself to distract and find an opening.

Plus, Steve still got an unlucky bullet wound from Bucky there. It’d be a shame if Ty Lee got even a single hit past the shield...

Feats to prove that Steve wouldn't utterly fodderise them? Cause from that gif all I can see is Ty Lee easily avoiding their strikes and putting them down. Thats not impressive when her own reaction time and combat speed isn't great.

Ty Lee easily avoids their strikes by utilizing her agility in a combat scenario to out run her and strike her exposed back.

Plus, jumping over a fire blast from Azula and shield formation?

They’re admittedly not top tier, but just skilled enough to dodge one hit with their durable shields before going down.

The point still stands. She could avoid Ty Lee's strikes. Steve will be able to do the same.

Zuko and Azula both clearly beat Katara and neither of them have reaction time feats anywhere near Steve.

Trying to say that Ty Lee=Zuko/Azula because because Katara hung with them for a short time doesn't fly. Especially when both opponents clearly beat Katara, and Katara was capable of easily avoiding Ty's striking.

Neither Azula nor Zuko have shown the capability to react to bullets. Meaning Steve > Azula > Zuko > Katara > Ty Lee where reaction time is concerned.

O_o B-But Ty Lee did beat Katara. Even when she reacted to Ty Lee and hung with her it wasn’t “easily” and Katara later lost with a shoulder grab when Ty Lee used her abilities more.

Also, Katara and Zuko didn’t lose but had a draw. Azula was superior to them both but Katara didn’t formally lose to Zuko there.

And I’m not saying Ty Lee can replicate Zuko and Azula’s feats but that Katara is skilled enough to at least temporally react to foes close or superior to her even if she doesn’t win. It’s just like with Steve vs Loki. You can’t expect me to believe Steve could truly beat him regardless of how long they fight.

And Steve isn’t supersonic. He’s simply lifting his arm or ran away against aim that varies in skill.

Azula>Ty Lee>Zuko=Katara>Steve in Reaction time at least as of the cave clips I showed you.

(Zuko later becomes Azula’s equal)

Striking feats for Appa's tail? If it's anything less than being able to send fully grown men flying at high speeds with enough force to dent metal, then it's less than Caps.

Appa did break the wooden floor casually with it. Strictly speaking, not much else with the tail, but honestly, Appa’s striking strength with his paws, and lifting strength should be evidence enough that Appa’s tail can strike people hard enough to dent metal.

That lifting feat is ridiculously impressive. Given the size of the main beam (roughly 8-9 meters long, close to a meter wide and half a metre thick, and assuming it is common carbon steel, the beam would weigh roughly 25-35 tons. This is in addition to the two smaller beams that are roughly two meter's long. Adding their additional weight (10-15 tons), Cap is attempting to move 35-50 tons of steel, in such a way that the weight is spread out and more difficult to move than if one was trying to press the structure. Now, in no way is Cap capable of lifting or striking with 50 tons of force, however it is still an impressive feat.

A quick Google search shows an average military tank roughly the same size as shown in the Fire Nation is about 60-68 tons.

Appa pretty much lifted 2 of those tanks (120-136 tons) and flipped it upside down with just it’s horns and no momentum without straining and easily broke a steel chain just by carrying a grown man covered in chains with one paw.

Appa didn’t struggle anywhere near as hard as Steve and is clearly capable of lifting way over a mere 50 tons of force.

Another feat to note, in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D Season 1, Episode 10 "The Bridge", super-soldier/gamma/cyborg hybrid Deathlok pushes a bulldozer across a field. When he asks his trainer if he beat Captain America's time, he is told he was not even close. A quick internet search said standard Bulldozers range anywhere from 30 to 60 tons, so this is an exceptional feat. The nature of the feat makes it difficult to use in any meaningful way.

So yeah, don't think Appa has anything on Cap.

That’s Deathlok feat. Go find the feat of Capt pushing a 30-60 ton bulldozer faster than Deathlok ;)

And nada.

Don't see any slamming here. Looks like the earth bender lifts the ground from beneath her and the force propels her skyward. There is no impact shown, so this is hardly a durability feat.

Well, the impact is to Ty Lee’s chest based on her grunt which pushed her back, though Ty Lee managed to roll with the blow and land safely.

Ok a couple of things:

• Her fingers and just being laid to be trode on here, as your implying. They aren't being stepped on, she is clenching her fist and reinforcing her raised knuckle.

• What's more, she has room enough to strike, meaning she is applying some degree of force and isn't getting trode on.

• On top of this, she's striking the bottom of someones foot. Thats not as hard as a skull and nowhere near the level of hardness of the shield. It's really completely irrelevant.

Here’s my points:

• Ty Lee slipped the wood off underneath so Sokka was about to step on it, and her clenched fist and raised knuckles aren’t adding any protection. The knuckles can still be potentially hurt themselves, but weren’t.

• If Ty Lee’s strength is as bad as you’re low balling, it still would have gotten crushed regardless of her force and room to strike since she also had enough room against Sokka’s head.

• The bottom of someone’s foot sprinting with boots is easily more harder and forceful than a plain skull, but Ty Lee blocked all the chi force and neutralised the momentum of Sokka’s motion. It’s pretty much what she also did against Sokka’s swings and kick in a less awkward position and logically what she should have done against Sokka’s toon force head since she’s a chi blocker.

Not really. The impact will much harder than that and much more damaging. She has on screen displays of handling pain poorly and she has never been hit by someone as strong as Steve, so she isn't just bouncing back. Whats more, the force won't launch her high into the air but propel her violently outward.

Appa has showed striking strength on par with Winter Soilder at bare minimum, and she has recovered from being sucker smacked by Appa who has strength beyond Steve.

Ty Lee can roll with the force like she did against Toph and could logically do so even better with her guard up.

Plus Azula is about equal in physicals with Zuko (also kicked back boulders with her kicks) and Steve hasn’t done any striking strength feats Zuko hasn’t done like punching a hole in a metal carriage.

The fact of the matter is, someone with a reaction time lesser than Steve's was capable of avoiding her strikes for an extended period of time. Cap will only need that one chance to end this fight.

So does Ty Lee, plain and simple.

This was after an ambush and after Katara evaded her for some time, AND Katara was distracted

It’s no longer an ambush now that Katara already encountered her a few times and knows what she’s capable off.

And Katara being distracted proves how Ty Lee utilized a strategy of bouncing around too fast for Katara to keep up too long. Steve won’t out dodge or keep track of Ty Lee for too long.

How? Why would he just forget the knowledge he already has? He's not an idiot and he has morals off here. Doesn't make sense for him to just assume she's unskilled even when he knows she is in fact skilled.

Ok, fair enough.

He already knows she's skilled and he's fighting to kill. I don't see how she is out skilling or out fighting someone who is more skilled and more powerful than her, let alone someone who can block bullets.

I meant through utilizing her agility to attack hit and run style in a close area from multiple angles.

I don't think so. I think Katara was just more skilled than the generic fodder that was the Kyoshi warrior.

I’ll agree Katara is more skilled.

Your point contradicts itself. If Ty Lee was going easy on him then Azula would have been angry. Thats the entire point, she wouldn't risk angering Azula by letting Sokka off easy.

But Azula wasn’t there to see Ty Lee fight Sokka. So Ty Lee could still have her fun with him and eventually did incap him when he surrendered.

Winter Soldier is human fodder?

The same Winter Soldier who shot Nick Fury three times in the chest through a building, or who could shoot a target through Black Widow's body?

Not necessarily, but his feats aren’t noteworthy enough here.

Since when is Nick Fury agile? And not even Black Widow is on par with Ty Lee. Bucky won’t be as accurate with a target who can easily sumersault 30 ft forward in the air and bounce around walls or back bend from the gun range in close quarters

Considering he was unable to outshoot Sam Wilson at the highway without uniform who’s below Steve, Bucky, and Black Widow, or outshoot Natasha before she threw some gadget on his arm, Bucky isn’t that good of a master marksman as you make him seem to be.

Agility? Maybe. Combat speed? Not a chance. Reacting to bullets is greater than anything Ty Lee has done. She was out reacted by Katara and Sokka. Suki, who got stomped by Azula, reacting to Ty Lee just proves Ty Lee isn't on the same level as those top level Avatar characters, who also aren't on Steve's level in combat speed.

All Steve did against Winter Soldier's bullets was put his shield up in front of him, while Ty Lee will be jumping around in different angles. It’ll be impossible for Steve to use his agility the instant he goes shield mode.

Ty Lee was just playfully toying with Sokka while Katara herself has been out reacted by her more than once and still got lost that time.

Steve will eventually get tagged even if he ducks around 2 blows like how the odds against Suki remained untouchable with Ty Lee for their entire fight were slim.

And while you feel Suki got stomped by Azula despite still deflecting some blows and was the last warrior standing when Azula captured her, I’d say Suki still reacted to Azula.

Reacting to Azula and Ty Lee shows Suki wouldn’t go down in a few seconds with Steve.

And Azula has the strength equal on par or above Zuko who you agreed has super strength just to boast Sokka’s toon force head since she’s superior to Zuko in combat speed and skills.

Suki got stomped. Azula > Suki > Ty Lee in combat speed.

Actually, Azula>Ty Lee> Suki in combat speed.

Not in combat speed. If she tried to flee, then yes it would play a part, but it has no bearing on how fast she strikes.

What superhuman's (Stats wise) has Ty Lee faced? I know Suki got stomped by the very not superhuman Azula.

Since Suki’s agile, her combat speed would be around the same since she has to make careful on the spot decisions to continue her momentum while flipping and scaling around the stairway efficiently while avoiding guards attacking her.

Again, Azula doesn’t automatically have resistance to her own attacks because she’s a firebender and whatnot. And Ty Lee faced Katara, Toph, and the Terra Team.

Being the best of a bunch of featless fodder isn't that impressive. Suki and Ty Lee are not on Azula's level nor are they on Steve's. Your really reaching for that.

And you’re really reaching to discredit Avatar verse characters.

It would likewise be easy to say the aliens Steve fought are featless fodder who can be beat by humans weaker than Steve like Black Widow. Or that Bucky isn’t fast in combat because Black Widow reacted to Bucky’s arm before he could shoot etc.

Earth benders themselves are known to have blunt durability and the Terra Team were elite members (not average troops) capable of earthbending large boulders at fast speeds.

If she tried to flee then yes she could avoid him for a little while. In a straight fight though, she would get one shotted.

Since you pretty much agreed Suki can outrun Steve at least for a while, Ty Lee with her superior agility can run around Steve himself with her ninja esche running.

In a straight up fight, an argument can be made that Suki can run around Steve to make him lose track of her and then survive against Steve by using her Aikido martial arts to use techniques consisting of entering and turning movements that redirect the momentum of an opponent's attack, and a throw or joint lock that terminates the technique.

All your points for Ty Lee and Suki's H2H and combat speed are unsubstantiated. Your using them both as a reference point for each other, then highballing them by comparing them to Azula, who outclasses them both and stomped Suki.

I’ve based Ty Lee’s combat speed by her evading benders, Kyoshi warriors, and Katara.

Suki’s combat speed is based on her agility, and reacting to Ty Lee plus Azula.

Not really. She was blocked by characters with slower reaction time than Steve and she didn't do this.

Ty Lee did it to Sokka’s arms, legs, and Katara who has the combat speed to react to fast opponents, mid attack.

They really will. They were damaged when she hit Sokka's head. Thats the hardest thing she's hit and its the only thing remotely comparable to Steve's shield.

No she doesn't. Steve is the faster of the two in H2H. Watch his fights with Winter Soldier or Batroc (Here and Here). He fights at a speed above and beyond her, which is supported by his bullet blocking feats.

The bullet blocking feats just consisted of Steve hiding in cars and raising his shield to dodge in a single angle. In fact putting the shield in front of his face even momentarily just gives Ty Lee the opportunity to step side to his back and strike him with a single hit.

Ty Lee has an overall evasive aproach up close which will allow her to react accordingly.

I never brought up either of those two, who would both utterly decimate Ty Lee.

Steve's shield has redirected bullets, tanked blows from Thor, RPG's and multi story falls.

I meant, since the indestructible shield was below the really durable foes, Sokka’s head with toon force can shrug off the shield too.

Sokka with toon force will likely tank and RPG or Thor’s hammer to the face with a black charred face and comedically blink twice before getting back to normal the next frame based on his Rule of Funny feats.

I think I've pretty much proven why this won't happen.

Furthermore, Steve isn't going to just stand there and hold onto her arm. If he's grabbed her he's going to break her arm or throw her. Fast.

Not really.

Also, Ty Lee won’t just stand still and let Steve break her arm while she’s still agile. Very agile.

She doesn't hit them in the head, it's pretty clear that she hit them with body shots, indicated by the clutching his abdomen. Whats more, even IF she hit them in the skull, you yourself proved that Sokka has a skull more durable than the average.

I’ll surprisingly concede for the guy who got kicked and clutched his chest, but the rest didn’t clutch themselves and Ty Lee’s hands still striked above her head which shows she has striked the human head unflinched more than once.

And ya damn right Sokka’s head has toon force durability.

No matter how durable they are, they are still human in their physiology. Cap is post human, having enhanced cellular regeneration and an increased metabolic rate as stated on screen. His body is so post human the intoxicating effects of alcohol are completely ineffective against him. Thus there is a precedent for things that would normally affect humans being completely ineffectual. This coupled with superhuman regen and an enhanced durability mean it's more likely than not the chi blocking will be muted in its capability.

I would also challenge the durability of Asuka and other upper tier Avatar characters being anywhere near Steve's, who was thrown hundreds of meters off a bridge and into a moving bus after being hit with a rocket propelled grenade. He also has jumped hundreds of feet and landed smoothly, as well as tanking shots from Mid Tier Superhumans like Loki and Ultron.

But human in their own unique way. What qualifies as a human in one universe doesn’t qualify for the human limits for another. For example, in Dragonball Z the strongest humans can fly, shoot energy blasts, and withstand or fire attacks capable of destroying planets. Yet, the peak human qualities of Steve pale in comparison to a character like Tien in raw power and abilities.

The top tier “human” characters in Avatar can recover from what are normally dangerous or lethal activities like it’s nothing. Thus, they are anything other than super human.

You aren't doing this to Steve, who operates at a speed much faster than Ty Lee.

Not really. Steve is faster, stronger, more skilled, more powerful and more durable. Not to mention, he has an undeniable counter in the form of his unbreakable shield. His reaction time supersedes that of characters who have effectively dodged and avoided Ty Lee for extended periods of time and kept track of her. He has the power to one shot her and the blocking capabilities to damage her even when deflecting her attacks.

Steve might argueably be more durable, but Ty Lee is still strong enough not to get killed or severely wounded by an attack from Steve that won't even land.

Outside of lifting strength, all this has been countered before.

I am referring to when Quicksilver blitzed Steve and he reacted to the strike, using his agility and Speed to no sell the strike.

No they might not win in a fight, but they have better base durability.

Now, just address something. Ty Lee practices Chi Blocking, or pressure point striking. This isn't a feat of strength but a technical strike. She doesn't surpass peoples durability with her striking but rather hits nerve clusters to numb them. This is most likely not going to be effective against Steve who is post human and his body has been shown to have different responses to external stimuli than other humans.

I'm not saying it will or won't affect him, but the fact that it is questionable and is the only way you can even hope to win this fight really leaves you no leg to stand on.

It’s a strike that causes pain from lack of energy flowing, just like in real life and does indeed bypass the durability which would protect their nerve clusters.

It’s likely to be effective against Steve just cause his nerve strikes would still get blocked. There’s really nothing to definitively show that it wouldn’t work against Steve anyways, so I’m not worried.

Regular human physiology shouldn't be comparable to Steve, not to mention, Ty Lee doesn't overpower their durability as stated above.

Regardless, a lot of what you said is highballing. When does Huu lift steel tanks? How much did they weigh? Tanking a rock is not comparable to Steve, and firebenders tanking fire or lightning is not impressive.

The physicals in the Avatar universe are just straight up not comparable to legitimate Superhumans.

And saying Avatar characters aren’t strong and durable is plain low balling when there are those like Zuko (whose strength feats you pretty much didn’t counter just to boost Sokka’s toon force head), as well as the general punishment they endured which shouldn’t be casually overlooked for some flimsy assumption like fire benders can tank their own attacks.

Plus you’re whole argument was solely centralized around a one shot comedic dirt low showing that makes Ty Lee seem weaker than she actually is and unable to block pressure points when that’s pretty much her thing.

Anyways, Huu lifted a tank through the swamp creature here (find a feat of Steve doing that with one hand).

Not likely. She doesn't move fast enough to do this.

She can because you admitted Steve isn’t as agile as her. She’d be running around him at speeds that he can’t avoid forever.

This is entirely questionable and your basing your entire hope of winning on a method thats foundation is shaky at best. Could she incap him? Maybe. You'll need more than that to cement a win.

It’s not shaky because she is highly skilled and aware of every pressure point in the body. You need to find an instance of Steve recovering in less than 10 minutes from a pressure point strike to cement it being questionable.

Highly unlikely. Steve isn't going to just stand there rooted to the spot and allow her to outmanoeuvre him at he leisure.

Not when Steve has met an opponent more agile and evasive than anyone she’s ever faced before. She has also shown to be really flexible both in and out of combat which can make her duck some blows up close.

Quicksilver doesn’t count cause both had no knowledge of each other, and was only taken out once while distracted.

Completely false. She hurt her hitting something magnitudes softer than the shield.

Sokka’s head is as durable as the moment needs him to be, and Ty Lee should have been capable of blocking the nerve points in his skull area.

This is straight up not true. No one in the Avatar universe has physicals anywhere near Steve's nor are they post humans with enhanced physiology.

All I can say to that is that Avatar characters aren’t normal humans. They have shown a high tolerance for blunt damage (not because of some conjecture like being already able to tank their own attacks and whatnot).

Steve wouldn’t survive those lightnings, firebending, or explosions especially unscratched without his shield.

Not at all. When she's in pain, she stops fighting. This is proven by feats and cannot be argued.

But Ty Lee had no idea of how durable Sokka’s head is and was taken by surprise. Since she has knowledge of Steve’s shield being invincible, I don’t see how she would be surprised of any potential pain.

Plus, she had an excuse to stop fighting there since Sokka was already disabled in two arms and one leg. The next frame even shows him jumping away unable to do anything.

Since she has her A game against a more dangerous opponent, she should be able to jump away and fight again momentarily.

I don't see how. She has been effectively counter by this method before and wasn't fast enough to do what you're claiming. Whats more, Steve has used this method on opponents faster, stronger and more lethal than Ty Lee.

She was fast enough to out react and nullify 3 of Sokka’s attacks and Steve’s opponents can’t chi block swiftly and casually like she can.

Like who? Katara, Sokka and Suki are all leagues below Steve. You yourself said its POSSIBLE Asuka and Zuko, two of the best examples in the Avatar verse, might be close to Steve (They aren't at all. This is proven by feats.) Azula stomped Suki and Katara, who were easily avoiding Ty Lee's strikes. You pretty much dug your own grave here.

Sigh, Katara wasn’t avoiding Ty Lee easily and still lost more than once with or without knowledge and surprise.

Azula and Zuko are capable of avoiding and harming Steve (based on you not countering Zuko’s metal busting kicks and H2H skills) and Suki and Katara merely “easily” avoided Azula’s attacks by your logic.

You’ve pretty much dug your own grave when you wanted to amp up Sokka’s sturdy head by not saying Zuko and vice versa Azula aren’t strong enough to be superhuman.

Ty Lee really isn't that impressive in combat speed and H2H. She doesn't hang with the upper tiers of the Avatar verse, who you yourself admitted are only maybe able to hang with Steve. She is totally outclassed here and the feats have been shown to prove this.

Ty Lee is impressive because she can indeed even give the upper tiers trouble who are capable of beating Steve through raw power, skill, and durability.

Nearly all of her purported durability and speed feats are based upon convoluted ABC logic or misrepresentation. Trying to sell her as being on Azula's level is downright false. Azula stomped Suki and Katara, who were capable of reacting to, avoiding and stalemating Ty Lee.

And most of your counters are based on misrepresentation like benders can automatically tank they’re own attacks or Azula stomping Suki and Katara when she didn’t one shot either.

Again, I’m not saying Ty Lee is 100% equal to Azula.

Steve on the other hand, can KO fully grown adult males in single strikes. He can block bullets, has fought and used a style picture perfect for countering Ty Lee's own and has the shield to damage her hands severely and create an opening.

The outcome of this fight is clear.

So could Ty Lee against the Terra Team. Fully grown “normal” adult males at worst misrepresentation. Steve only blocks varied aim which can’t protect him from multiple angles, and Ty Lee is capable of creating an opening by using her agile style to simply run and jump close around Steve who isn’t as agile.

She tries to hit him and he blocks with the shield. This damages or breaks her hand, causing her to stop fighting and react to the pain. Steve proceeds to KO her or break her neck. Not much else to be said at this point.

Ty Lee will go out of her way to avoid the shield and Ty Lee can simply strike Steve’s punches and kicks as well mid strike since Steve isn’t anywhere close to being as durable as the shield and Sokka’s head with Rule of Funny.

Why Ty Lee wins:

-Her superior agility carries over to her running speed which she clearly used in fights to counter attack from different angles.

-Ty Lee will consciously be more cautious of the shield than with Sokka’s toon force head, and can work around it.

Your strategy heavily revolves around Steve being defensive with his shield, and it’s pretty much been shown consistently Steve is unable to perform acrobatic flips and what not while in stance mode. It pretty much guarantees to limit his mobility, which Ty Lee can capitalize on and abuse.

-Whether or not Ty Lee is as strong as Steve is irrelevant because she can still nullify his limbs and even disable energy paths that affect his entire body. There’s zero guarantee or evidence with certainty to say he can recover fast enough to make a difference or even fight as well as normal with his chi blocked.

-Ty Lee’s striking feats on other durable characters with or without armor as well as her tolerance to multiple other sneak attacks show she isn’t as weak in striking strength and durability as you make her out to be.

- The opponents Ty Lee encountered are above Steve and are unable to effectively put her down. Steve at best can “counter” Ty Lee for a minute before eventually getting a back or shoulder strike which will wrap things up for Ty Lee.

How the battle will go:

Ty Lee hand springs into a tree and traverses from tree to tree till she gets to Steve. Steve will throw his shield which Ty Lee flips over and moves in close to Steve. Steve’s shield could return by then which allows Ty Lee to jump back a little. Ty Lee'll run at Steve which will cause him to go shield mode. Ty Lee then jumps around and zig zags him while analyzing his body for an exposed spot. Steve momentarily gets distracted from her superior agility and Ty Lee takes advantage of this to strike a pressure point area on his shoulder causing him to lose balance and steadiness as he collapses to the ground.

Oh dear...

The back and shoulders in particular don’t have much tissue surrounding it, yet Ty Lee was able to chi block in those areas. It’s an assumption that tissue is soft when it can be tough through the developed muscles or durability of characters.

There is more tissue than that around a human skull. Muscle will always be softer than bone. Thats basic anatomy and please don't try and sell it any other way.

Plus, there are nerve clusters at the head/skull area in the traditional Chinese Meridian system which shows where the life energy qi/chi flows. Ty Lee’s martial arts are based on the real life Chinese pressure points. Ty Lee through logic should have still blocked his chi through points on Sokka’s head.

Yes there are Meridian points on the head, though none of them are on the top, they are all present on one's face, as the image you yourself posted indicates and supports.

But Sokka’s head pretty much has toon force since that moment happened when he was still considered a joke character. That was just pretty much an instance of Rule of Funny. A violation of logic and common sense (Ty Lee being a pressure point master being unable to block a weak character’s head) being permissible since it gets a laugh from the audience.

There are no pressure points on the top of the skull. You can't have this both ways. Earlier you posted feats indicating the consistent hardness of Sokka's head, yet now you are saying it's an inconsistency. The character has tanked boulder busting shots without being KO'd, so he is durable. Thats just how he is. You not approving of the portrayal doesn't make it irrelevant.

Sokka hasn’t replicated his chi flowing intact feat in every other instance of him and Ty Lee.

She's never again hit him on the top of the head.

Likewise, no limit has been shown for Sokka’s unreasonably sturdy head in both a serious and non serious moment. Through Rule of Funny, Sokka’s head can be as strong as it needs to be as long as Sokka acts funny.

So because he hasn't had his limits shown, his skull is now invulnerable? Ok, so by your very same logic, Cap hasn't found a weight he can't lift yet so he can lift anything. See how that doesn't work?

This Video shows Sokka HURTING his head after being hit with rocks, poles and strikes. These things all gave him visible pain. He no sold Ty Lee strikes. The character has a consistent portrayal of head durability and her striking is not enough to hurt him.

it’s plausible Steve can shield bash him 10 times in a row for a conscious Sokka to respond:

“Ya missed a spot!” or “I’m just getting started!”

It's really not. He's a superhuman with greater striking feats than anyone Sokka's fought, hitting him with the hardest metal in either universe.

Sokka through comic relief moments has also teleported DBZ style more than once which he shouldn’t logically be able to do so with his stats.

Thats not relevant to the hardness of his head. As I said above, the portrayal has been consistent throughout the series.

He just isn’t reasonable if you take every feat involved with him at face value.

Yes agreed.

However, as I've continually stated, this isn't a face value feat. It's a consistent one that falls well into the realms of being plausible within the universe, especially when you look at the sheer umber of feats supporting it. He tanks a rock to the head, but shows signs of pain. Zuko kicks him but incaps him. Strikes by poles knock him down, hurt him, but don't KO him. This establishes both the hardness of his head and the fact these sort of strikes hurt him. Ty Lee's didn't.

My point was that since Ty Lee didn’t even stub her fingers against superhuman Azula or Katara which are weaker than the shield, even higher damage against the shield is a far cry even if she doesn’t scratch it.

So because she didn't hurt herself against the bodies of two individuals with a hardness less than the shield, the shield won't damage her? That makes no sense. Neither one of them have durability feats to match Cap, let alone be even remotely close to the shields durability. This shouldn't even be discussed and the next point is straight up ridiculous.

Sokka’s toon force head can easily be above the shields durability and if Cap sends Ty Lee back, Ty Lee could easily recover in a few seconds since she’s been sent flying back before.

This is just plain silly. His head cannot tank a bullet. A rock to the head hurt him, a bullet to the shield does no damage. Thats the end of this argument.

Ty Lee has never taken a strike close to Cap's level of strength. You have nothing to prove she can take such a strike.

Being a bender doesn’t automatically give you immunities or resistances to your own attacks. This isn’t Pokemon. Zuko’s scar given to him by the most powerful Firebender in the show is proof of that.

No but it does give them a plausible method of directing said impacts away from them or lessening the damage. Zuko when he was burned was not a proficient bender, and this bender who burned him was the most powerful, so it's highly likely his power levels would supersede andything Zuko could tank.

Her tanking explosions show Azula wouldn’t be damaged from grenades which Steve has to resort to blocking with his shield.

Explosion =/= Grenade.

Not all explosions are the same and to liken them as such is ridiculous.

Whats more, the lethality of a grenade is not the explosion, but the shrapnel. Cap shields himseld from the high speed bladed projectiles coming his way, not the explosion. Azula's durability is nowhere near Cap's. She is damaged by human striking alone, while Cap can tank superhuman shots with ease.

Katara was actually hit twice, and the swamp substance had a lot of force behind it which is why it sent her flying hundreds of yards. This same force is seen again when the creature threw tanks for several hundred yards again with a single hand. Huu wasn’t going easy on the Gang because he felt they were intruders who were threatening the swamp he was dedicated to protecting. It didn’t keep her down with serious or minor injuries or even knock her out for Katara to continue the rest of the fight momentarily.

Rewatch the fight. She was hit once.

Where was the clip for this tank throwing? I don't believe you ever posted it.

Also, throwing =/= striking in the force exerted.

Thus, Katara wouldn’t be KO’d by a kick from Steve that might at best send her flying a couple yards.

Ok lets be clear here. You never posted the tank feats but I'll take you at your word for it.

A large swamp creature that can throw a tank doesn't mean it can strike with that amount of force. A shotput olympian won't punch harder than a Gold Medalist boxer. Striking is about concentrated force and technique. The wild swing of a creature made out of swamp, dispersed over the entirety of ones body and assisted by a throw, does not equate to the concentrated force of a superhuman strike shown to KO adult men with enough force to send their bodies flying and dent metal.

Like I said, it’s inconsistent with Ty Lee being able to paralyze people from virtually any area since she’s knowledgeable of vulnerable areas of the entire human body.

As you pointed out, there are no chi blocking areas on the top of the human head, so this point has no grounds.

It’s also inconsistent with Ty Lee pain tolerance of taking an earth formation to the gut or attacks from Aapa off guard without KO or serious injury while washing on shore and getting back up just fine.

The earth formation lifted her off the ground, it never hit her.

I'll address this in detail below, but for now, Appa's tail has no striking feats to make this impressive.

Plus, her striking the backs, shoulders, and limbs of stronger Avatar characters speak for themselves.

Her attacks are not feats of strength, stop trying to present them as such. They target specific areas designed to paralyse people.

I meant with how durable Sokka’s toon force head is.

And just before that moment, Ty Lee pretty much outreacted to all of Sokka’s strikes and kicks nonchalantly even after Sokka saw her numb his first hand, paused and still couldn’t reach her.

This pretty much showed more than once her combat speed is above Sokka’s.

Sokka has done the exact same thing to her. He also blocked one of her strikes in this fight after he was paralysed. So theyre combat speed should be around even at worst.

Since Ty Lee is aware the shield is sturdy, she will likely brace herself for any potential pain (while actively avoiding it as well to begin with) considering she took an earth formation to the gut and Appa’s tail strike.

Countered above and below.

Okay, her fingers were hurt from an unlimitedly durable toon force head. And her fingers aren’t weak by her striking other characters with established durability feats without flinching.

Sokka's head has been hurt by rocks, staves and strikes. It's not unbreakable and it can't tank bullets as Cap's shield is and can. Even IF Sokka's head was unbreakable, it would be equal to the shield, which means at its best, you just admitted her hand will be damaged by hitting the shield.

Okay, Here’s Suki with armor tanking a hit from a rhino dragon tail and Zuko’s kick swipe with her armor.

Thats hardly tanking. She looks hurt and even incapped after being hit by those.

If Ty Lee were in that situation, she would realise she wouldn’t gain any advantage in that confined bridge and flip around or under the metal bars and bridge itself to distract and find an opening.

Plus, Steve still got an unlucky bullet wound from Bucky there. It’d be a shame if Ty Lee got even a single hit past the shield...

She couldn't dodge a bullet though and she isn't as fast as a bullet. Nothing you have said counters that. What you said is hardly even relevant. Steve can block bullets, Ty Lee is nowhere near that fast.

Ty Lee easily avoids their strikes by utilizing her agility in a combat scenario to out run her and strike her exposed back.

Plus, jumping over a fire blast from Azula and shield formation?

They’re admittedly not top tier, but just skilled enough to dodge one hit with their durable shields before going down.

So their best feats are getting stomped by Ty Lee and forming a shield wall to block fire? Thats not impressive, like, at all.

O_o B-But Ty Lee did beat Katara. Even when she reacted to Ty Lee and hung with her it wasn’t “easily” and Katara later lost with a shoulder grab when Ty Lee used her abilities more.

I never stated Ty Lee lost. I merely said Katara could react to her and was only put down after she was ambushed.

Also, Katara and Zuko didn’t lose but had a draw. Azula was superior to them both but Katara didn’t formally lose to Zuko there.

On that occasion? She was being beaten and she has lost to him repeatedly before.

And I’m not saying Ty Lee can replicate Zuko and Azula’s feats but that Katara is skilled enough to at least temporally react to foes close or superior to her even if she doesn’t win. It’s just like with Steve vs Loki. You can’t expect me to believe Steve could truly beat him regardless of how long they fight.

So Ty Lee isn't on their level.

And Steve VS Loki is not relevant to the topic. Ty Lee's reaction time is not up to scratch. She wins via incap.

And Steve isn’t supersonic. He’s simply lifting his arm or ran away against aim that varies in skill.

How can he aim dodge when the shield is obscuring his face? And what do you mean varies in skill? He was consistently shown as a skille dmarksmen.

Azula>Ty Lee>Zuko=Katara>Steve in Reaction time at least as of the cave clips I showed you.

(Zuko later becomes Azula’s equal)

Ugh. He blocks bullets. Thats better than anything in the Avatar universe. He blocks energy based attacks, like those from the chitauri or Hydra weapons. He dodged an Ultron drone moving at high speeds and turned said dodge into an attack to crush another Ultron.

And if Zuko becomes Azula's equal why not label him as such.

Appa did break the wooden floor casually with it. Strictly speaking, not much else with the tail, but honestly, Appa’s striking strength with his paws, and lifting strength should be evidence enough that Appa’s tail can strike people hard enough to dent metal.

A quick Google search shows an average military tank roughly the same size as shown in the Fire Nation is about 60-68 tons.

Appa pretty much lifted 2 of those tanks (120-136 tons) and flipped it upside down with just it’s horns and no momentum without straining and easily broke a steel chain just by carrying a grown man covered in chains with one paw.

Appa didn’t struggle anywhere near as hard as Steve and is clearly capable of lifting way over a mere 50 tons of force.

But he didn't hit Ty Lee with his paw. He hit her with his tail.

The musculature and anatomy in a tail differs dramatically from that of a limb. A dog could potentially push over a full grown male with just their front paws, but couldn't do anything near that with their tail. Just because Appa is strong in other respects does not mean his tail is equally as strong.

That’s Deathlok feat. Go find the feat of Capt pushing a 30-60 ton bulldozer faster than Deathlok ;)

And nada.

Watch the scene. Cap is stated to have pushed it faster. Link. It's canon so it happened.

Well, the impact is to Ty Lee’s chest based on her grunt which pushed her back, though Ty Lee managed to roll with the blow and land safely.

? How does a grunt mean it hit her chest. How could it only hit her chest when she is standing on the ground? Thats physically impossible. The earth that hits her is larger than than the diameter of her body. She's standing up. There's no way it hit her chest. It's clearly the ground she is standing on being thrown upwards and launching her into the air.

Here’s my points:

• Ty Lee slipped the wood off underneath so Sokka was about to step on it, and her clenched fist and raised knuckles aren’t adding any protection. The knuckles can still be potentially hurt themselves, but weren’t.

• If Ty Lee’s strength is as bad as you’re low balling, it still would have gotten crushed regardless of her force and room to strike since she also had enough room against Sokka’s head.

• The bottom of someone’s foot sprinting with boots is easily more harder and forceful than a plain skull, but Ty Lee blocked all the chi force and neutralised the momentum of Sokka’s motion. It’s pretty much what she also did against Sokka’s swings and kick in a less awkward position and logically what she should have done against Sokka’s toon force head since she’s a chi blocker.

• Yes they are. A clenched fist and knuckle with force behind it afford more protection than an open palmed hand. That cannot be argued.
• Lowballing? She punched a characters head who can tank boulder busting kicks and hurt her hand. Thats not lowballing, it just makes sense.
• The bottom of someones foot wearing skin covers is not harder than a skull. You flip between saying his head has high end durability and is just base so much here. It really puts holes in your arguments.

Appa has showed striking strength on par with Winter Soilder at bare minimum, and she has recovered from being sucker smacked by Appa who has strength beyond Steve.

Not with his tail he hasn't.

Ty Lee can roll with the force like she did against Toph and could logically do so even better with her guard up.

Not when it KO's her straight away.

Plus Azula is about equal in physicals with Zuko (also kicked back boulders with her kicks) and Steve hasn’t done any striking strength feats Zuko hasn’t done like punching a hole in a metal carriage.

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Zuko isn't as strong as Cap.

So does Ty Lee, plain and simple.

Based on what?

Her worse physicals, reaction or durability?

It’s no longer an ambush now that Katara already encountered her a few times and knows what she’s capable off.

And Katara being distracted proves how Ty Lee utilized a strategy of bouncing around too fast for Katara to keep up too long. Steve won’t out dodge or keep track of Ty Lee for too long.

An ambush is an ambush, regardless of who does it.

She was distracted by someone else, not Ty Lee.

But Azula wasn’t there to see Ty Lee fight Sokka. So Ty Lee could still have her fun with him and eventually did incap him when he surrendered.

You said earlier that Ty Lee wouldn't want to anger Azula. She operates by fear. That fear is permeating. If Ty Lee disobeyed regularly, then the moment she saves Mei is lessened. It isn't in character and it doesn't fit the story.

Not necessarily, but his feats aren’t noteworthy enough here.

Since when is Nick Fury agile? And not even Black Widow is on par with Ty Lee. Bucky won’t be as accurate with a target who can easily sumersault 30 ft forward in the air and bounce around walls or back bend from the gun range in close quarters

He shot him through a wall without seeing him. Three times. All dead centre. Agility doesn't come into play here.

Considering he was unable to outshoot Sam Wilson at the highway without uniform who’s below Steve, Bucky, and Black Widow, or outshoot Natasha before she threw some gadget on his arm, Bucky isn’t that good of a master marksman as you make him seem to be.

Falcon is less than who???

The same Falcon who was dodging machine gun fire and missiles from multiple agains casually?

And Winter Soldier never shot at Falcon...

He did dodge his bullets though.

Also, Natasha ambushed Winter Soldier, never giving him the chance to shoot.

All Steve did against Winter Soldier's bullets was put his shield up in front of him, while Ty Lee will be jumping around in different angles. It’ll be impossible for Steve to use his agility the instant he goes shield mode.

He drops and raises the shield without seeing where WS is aiming, so I don't see how its aim blocking.

Ty Lee was just playfully toying with Sokka while Katara herself has been out reacted by her more than once and still got lost that time.

Countered both enough times already.

Steve will eventually get tagged even if he ducks around 2 blows like how the odds against Suki remained untouchable with Ty Lee for their entire fight were slim.

But Suki simply blocked all Ty Lee's strikes. As Cap can and will do, but instead of simply blocking, he'll break her hands.

And while you feel Suki got stomped by Azula despite still deflecting some blows and was the last warrior standing when Azula captured her, I’d say Suki still reacted to Azula.

Where did she do this? She was one shotted.

Reacting to Azula and Ty Lee shows Suki wouldn’t go down in a few seconds with Steve.

She just doesn't have the physicals to keep up.

And Azula has the strength equal on par or above Zuko who you agreed has super strength just to boast Sokka’s toon force head since she’s superior to Zuko in combat speed and skills.

How does Azula having superior speed and combat skills give her equal strength?

And you said Zuko could bust boulders and showed the feats for it, I just agreed.

Actually, Azula>Ty Lee> Suki in combat speed

Based on what? Suki reacting to and blocking all of Ty Lee's supposed unblockabke shots?

Since Suki’s agile, her combat speed would be around the same since she has to make careful on the spot decisions to continue her momentum while flipping and scaling around the stairway efficiently while avoiding guards attacking her.

That has no relevance on how fast she kicks and punches. Thats why we have travel speed and combat speed.

Again, Azula doesn’t automatically have resistance to her own attacks because she’s a firebender and whatnot. And Ty Lee faced Katara, Toph, and the Terra Team.

She can bend those elements, of course she can lessen their effects.

And you’re really reaching to discredit Avatar verse characters.

Not in the slightest.

It would likewise be easy to say the aliens Steve fought are featless fodder who can be beat by humans weaker than Steve like Black Widow. Or that Bucky isn’t fast in combat because Black Widow reacted to Bucky’s arm before he could shoot etc.

The Chitauri were capable of denting cars by landing on them and jumping dozens of meters. One was able to restrain Cap physically. So no, in terms pf Physicals they are above humans. Widow used weaponry and gear to beat them.

Combat speed doesn't equate to being able to draw and fire a weapon. He had just been ambushed and choked, then Widow surprised him with gear. His combat speed is shown via his fights with Cap.

Earth benders themselves are known to have blunt durability and the Terra Team were elite members (not average troops) capable of earthbending large boulders at fast speeds.

That has no relevance on what they are capable of. They have no feats that make this anything special.

Since you pretty much agreed Suki can outrun Steve at least for a while, Ty Lee with her superior agility can run around Steve himself with her ninja esche running.

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Don't twist what I said. I said if Suki runs away she could avoid Steve. Key word there being away.

In a straight up fight, an argument can be made that Suki can run around Steve to make him lose track of her and then survive against Steve by using her Aikido martial arts to use techniques consisting of entering and turning movements that redirect the momentum of an opponent's attack, and a throw or joint lock that terminates the technique.

Dude. They aren't speedsters. Your highballing the Sh*t out of them here. They can be seen and tracked, they aren't blurring out of focus or anything.

I’ve based Ty Lee’s combat speed by her evading benders, Kyoshi warriors, and Katara.

Suki’s combat speed is based on her agility, and reacting to Ty Lee plus Azula.

Ok so you based it on featless fodder and one person who was out reacting her for Ty Lee, and then using that same unimpressive person (Ty Lee) and a person who stomper her (Azula) for Suki. See how thats not impressive?

The bullet blocking feats just consisted of Steve hiding in cars and raising his shield to dodge in a single angle. In fact putting the shield in front of his face even momentarily just gives Ty Lee the opportunity to step side to his back and strike him with a single hit.

Ty Lee has an overall evasive aproach up close which will allow her to react accordingly.

No its not. I've repeatedly shown it as being this gif. I never even brought that up.

I meant, since the indestructible shield was below the really durable foes, Sokka’s head with toon force can shrug off the shield too.

Sokka with toon force will likely tank and RPG or Thor’s hammer to the face with a black charred face and comedically blink twice before getting back to normal the next frame based on his Rule of Funny feats.

What? Neither of those characters have a durability greater than the shield. Cap just wouldn't beat them in a fight.

And omg, Sokka was hurt by a rock. He's not tanking an RPG or Thor's hammer thats just ridiculous.

Not really.

Also, Ty Lee won’t just stand still and let Steve break her arm while she’s still agile. Very agile.

We'll see.

She's going to be in pain. Steve needs literally less than a second to drop her, and her poor pain tolerance is going to create that opportunity.

I’ll surprisingly concede for the guy who got kicked and clutched his chest, but the rest didn’t clutch themselves and Ty Lee’s hands still striked above her head which shows she has striked the human head unflinched more than once.

And ya damn right Sokka’s head has toon force durability.

They were all taller than her, and the lead guy was hit at the same angle as the others. It's logical to assume they were all hit in the same place. Further to this, none of them were hit on the top of the head but rather in the face, which has meridian points on them.

But human in their own unique way. What qualifies as a human in one universe doesn’t qualify for the human limits for another. For example, in Dragonball Z the strongest humans can fly, shoot energy blasts, and withstand or fire attacks capable of destroying planets. Yet, the peak human qualities of Steve pale in comparison to a character like Tien in raw power and abilities.

The top tier “human” characters in Avatar can recover from what are normally dangerous or lethal activities like it’s nothing. Thus, they are anything other than super human.

Loki isn't human at all, nor is Ultron. Peak and super human aren't in universe terms. They are scales of power placed upon characters by debaters. They're standardised. What you said never really countered my point or addressed it.

Steve might argueably be more durable, but Ty Lee is still strong enough not to get killed or severely wounded by an attack from Steve that won't even land.

Outside of lifting strength, all this has been countered before.

Arguably??? Arguably more durable?

It’s a strike that causes pain from lack of energy flowing, just like in real life and does indeed bypass the durability which would protect their nerve clusters.

It’s likely to be effective against Steve just cause his nerve strikes would still get blocked. There’s really nothing to definitively show that it wouldn’t work against Steve anyways, so I’m not worried.

It's not his durability that calls it into question, but is post human physiology. It's enough to make it questionable, which is all that is needed.

And saying Avatar characters aren’t strong and durable is plain low balling when there are those like Zuko (whose strength feats you pretty much didn’t counter just to boost Sokka’s toon force head), as well as the general punishment they endured which shouldn’t be casually overlooked for some flimsy assumption like fire benders can tank their own attacks.

So the upper most tiers of the Avatar universe still don't equal Steve? How is that lowballing then?

Also, you brought Zuko up as being superhuman. That was your post? I dunno why you keep saying it like it was my idea. He may very well be super human but that doesnt automatically make him equal to Cap, nor do feats support that.

Plus you’re whole argument was solely centralized around a one shot comedic dirt low showing that makes Ty Lee seem weaker than she actually is and unable to block pressure points when that’s pretty much her thing.

It's consistent with portrayal of both characters. You trying to dismiss doesn't make it go away.

Anyways, Huu lifted a tank through the swamp creature here (find a feat of Steve doing that with one hand).

So Huu lifting a tank helps Ty Lee how?

She can because you admitted Steve isn’t as agile as her. She’d be running around him at speeds that he can’t avoid forever.

Travel Speed =/= Combat speed and she isn't a speedster.

It’s not shaky because she is highly skilled and aware of every pressure point in the body. You need to find an instance of Steve recovering in less than 10 minutes from a pressure point strike to cement it being questionable.

If I found that, it wouldn't be questionable it would be disproven. It's questionable because it can't be proven or disproven.

Not when Steve has met an opponent more agile and evasive than anyone she’s ever faced before. She has also shown to be really flexible both in and out of combat which can make her duck some blows up close.

Steve's a dude. She just straight up is too slow in combat.

Quicksilver doesn’t count cause both had no knowledge of each other, and was only taken out once while distracted.

This fight has prior knowledge and I'm not even referring to that strike Steve did to him.

Sokka’s head is as durable as the moment needs him to be, and Ty Lee should have been capable of blocking the nerve points in his skull area.

False. His head was hurt by a rock and there are no nerve points in the top of the skull.

But Ty Lee had no idea of how durable Sokka’s head is and was taken by surprise. Since she has knowledge of Steve’s shield being invincible, I don’t see how she would be surprised of any potential pain.

Plus, she had an excuse to stop fighting there since Sokka was already disabled in two arms and one leg. The next frame even shows him jumping away unable to do anything.

Since she has her A game against a more dangerous opponent, she should be able to jump away and fight again momentarily.

She was in pain and taken aback by it. Knowledge won't make it hurt less nor will it increase her pain tolerance.

Sigh, Katara wasn’t avoiding Ty Lee easily and still lost more than once with or without knowledge and surprise.

She was avoiding her. Thats the point.

Azula and Zuko are capable of avoiding and harming Steve (based on you not countering Zuko’s metal busting kicks and H2H skills) and Suki and Katara merely “easily” avoided Azula’s attacks by your logic.

Cap has tanked shot from Ultron, Winter Soldier and Loki. All have striking superior to anyone in Avatar. So no not really.

Suki never avoided one hit, so I don't see how.

You’ve pretty much dug your own grave when you wanted to amp up Sokka’s sturdy head by not saying Zuko and vice versa Azula aren’t strong enough to be superhuman.

OMG YOU SAID HE WAS SUPERHUMAN HAHA. Dude, I never brought this up, you did. I never said superhuman I said boulder busting.