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The Setting:In the year (insert date here), Captain America & company fell on hard times. The Avengers, faced with bankruptcy (realizing too late that being a superhero is a poor excuse for a day job), decide to sell their longtime mansion and crash with Nick Fury at his Helicarrier for a while, much to his dismay.

In the ensuing online auction, Dirk Anger sacrificed everything in his possession to place as large a bid as possible. However, an anonymous bidder dropped a hefty 5 billion dollars on the estate at the last minute, leaving Dirk devastated.

Elsewhere, in a shadowy bunker-room, Norman Osborn shut his laptop and grinned. Now, not only had he bought his own group of Osborn's Avengers to combat any crisis, with his name plastered all over their gear, he would move them into the old Avengers Mansion to add insult to injury. The plan was brilliant! Now, time to give that loser, Peter Parker, a phone call and tell him he's not invited. That'll show him!

Dirk Anger, still furious and now homeless, decided to enlist his Nextwave squad to liberate the recently purchased mansion for him. Their orders were to, as Aaron Stack put it, "squash all fleshies on sight". The plan didn't set well at first with Monica, but when Dirk emphasized the mantle of Captain Marvel could be at stake, she was sold on the idea. Nextwave took off, ready for a bloodbath at the Avengers Mansion.

Team TGW:Genis-Vell (pre-insanity)SkaarMs.MarvelMoon KnightGambitTeam mightyrearranger:Monica Rambeau (Is gonna microwave your @%$!)Tabitha Smith (Is gonna steal all your stuff!)Aaron Stack (Is gonna organize your sock drawer!)Elsa Bloodstone (Is gonna speak with an accent!)The Captain (His name is The Captain!)NEXTWAVE!Location:TGW's team starts at the 7th set of columns down the hallway. Specs:Don't talk about fight clubRandom encounterStandard equipment for everyoneWin via kill, KO, or incap. No BFR.

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#4 Posted by mightyrearranger (1629 posts) - - Show Bio

@mightyrearranger: This gonna be epic

Tbh, I'm just hoping not to get my ass kicked too bad, haha. But hey, I'm off to make scans of literally every page of Nextwave, some Avengers/Machine Man backlogs, X-Force, and Elsa Bloodstone's solo series.

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#5 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait, so you get 5 people AND nextwave? Or is that team called 'nextwave'? Is this Bendis MK?

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@thedarklordpandamonium: What do you mean by "Bendis Moon Knight"? Aren't they all the same?

Different incarnations of MK have different gadgets and sanity levels, so you might want to clarify. Bendis MK is a nutjob who thinks he's Wolverine, Cap, and Spidey all at the same time, and carries replicas of Cap's shield, Logan's claws, and Spidey's web-shooters. He also sucks.

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#10 Posted by dondave (37919 posts) - - Show Bio

This should be good

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#12 Posted by mightyrearranger (1629 posts) - - Show Bio

@thundergodswrath: Alright, I'll get to work on this...

First up, Genis is probably the biggest problem at the start of this match, with his telepathy and all; he creates an interesting matchup with Monica though, one that I think works out in her favor. Overall, Monica's shown a great deal of speed/reflex feats and won't hesitate to take the form of pure light and assault your team that way. Once she hits Genis in her light-form (existing as a beam of light, he won't be able to read her mind), she has also displayed sufficient enough energy-draining feats to take any extra-dimensional energy away from him and then assault him with other forms of electromagnetic energy when he's de-powered.

  • In the first panel, she uses a light-form to phase into a robot, drain it's extra-dimensional energy, and detonate it, all within seconds.
  • In the second panel, she can prove effective on the defensive end against Genis, splitting her light-form into several dozen smaller beings, breaking out of a force field, and effortlessly dodging light-speed attacks.

That alone should give Monica enough versatility to deal with Genis, and that's just scratching the surface of what she brings to the table.

From there, I'm not sure who else on your team could pose a threat to Monica. However, Ms. Marvel could be a problem. Luckily, she'll be dealing with either the brute strength of Machine Man or The Captain. And Machine Man is also the most useful member in this scenario, because he'll be able to avoid a lot of the attacks your team throws his way, either by dodging energy in resourceful ways:

...or avoiding physical harm by simply unlocking every joint in his body:

On the offensive, he'll be able to deal with Carol by way of any number of useful devices. He's shown the capabilities to hypnotize targets, manipulate energy (repelling a falling elevator away from him by converting it's generator's energy type), generating magnetic energy, and manipulating temperature to extreme degrees (converting his fist to absolute zero before in order to hit the Human Torch). All of this suggests a versatility beyond that of Ms. Marvel and his brawls with Hulk, Human Torch, and Fin Fang Foom suggest that he has the physical power/durability/regeneration capabilities to outlast Carol in a fight and at least KO her, even if she can't be outright killed.

As for The Captain being matched up against Skaar...

Seriously though, this guy has torn the finger off of an otherwise impenetrable Fin Fang Foom (who tanked Monica's light-form attack and Tabitha's explosions) and can throw beings at least 5 times his own size over a large distance. This would be a really good matchup and I'll wait for you to post your strategy with Skaar before I figure out how Cap is best utilized here.

When it comes to Elsa vs. Moon Knight, I think she has the agility and accuracy to take a battle with him. Once I've got a better idea of what Moon Knight iteration you're using, I'll elaborate from there, but upfront, she's dodged the optic blasts of Mindless Ones and retaliated by kicking silverware into their faces from across a room. Her marksmanship with her rifle or submachine guns is even better; plus, she'll have her shovel, which she's used in close quarters to effectively beat swordsmen before. Here's the aforementioned Mindless One scan:

Finally, Gambit and Tabby facing off would be interesting. Gambit has his quick reflexes on his side, but he also takes time (however brief) to charge the objects he's throwing. Tabitha has the ability to create her time bombs without the need of objects present. She's made one appear inside of The Blob's mouth before and handled Predator Xes with them handily. Regardless of his reflexes, after this fight begins, he's going to be looking at a lot of small explosions in his immediate vicinity. Though she lacks the intelligence to be taken seriously by a lot of people, she still flourishes with the rest of her team in Nextwave, having way better control of her powers than she ever did before.

  • ^As of Nextwave, she no longer appears to require a charge for her explosions. However, she still does the "Tick, tick, tick..." countdown from time to time, maybe just for the flair of it, or out of habit. Still, I think her power alone (and the fact that it requires little thought to activate effectively) gives her the edge over Gambit.

Ok, shoot. :)

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@mightyrearranger: Ready now

First up, Genis is probably the biggest problem at the start of this match, with his telepathy and all; he creates an interesting matchup with Monica though, one that I think works out in her favor. Overall, Monica's shown a great deal of speed/reflex feats and won't hesitate to take the form of pure light and assault your team that way. Once she hits Genis in her light-form (existing as a beam of light, he won't be able to read her mind), she has also displayed sufficient enough energy-draining feats to take any extra-dimensional energy away from him and then assault him with other forms of electromagnetic energy when he's de-powered.

Monica Rambeau is a lot faster than Genis-Vell, but she doesn't have the blasting power to put him down. She only has speed on him, while he has strength, blasting power, durability, and maybe versatility. Monica does not have the energy out-put to challenge Genis-Vell if he was at half power, and she does not have the draining abilities to drain someone that has planet busting energy output. Sooner or later he's going to tag her, and when he does it's all over for her.

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Genis-Vell was capable of stalemating the Sentry, and sending enough power along with Sentry to destroy the planet. This was in the Microverse, so even though everything was shrunk down it would still be the same difference from a person and a planet.

From there, I'm not sure who else on your team could pose a threat to Monica. However, Ms. Marvel could be a problem. Luckily, she'll be dealing with either the brute strength of Machine Man or The Captain. And Machine Man is also the most useful member in this scenario, because he'll be able to avoid a lot of the attacks your team throws his way, either by dodging energy in resourceful ways:

Machine Man has one good strength showing, and it's against the Hulk. He didn't win or anything either, just held out. While Carol has knocked out Grey Hulk in one hit. Grey Hulk may not be as powerful as regular Hulk, but Classic Hulk was not as powerful as Current Hulk either, so the gap isn't too big.

She can also sense they're attacks coming. So they won't surprise her.

Her energy projection just makes it worse.

Seriously though, this guy has torn the finger off of an otherwise impenetrable Fin Fang Foom (who tanked Monica's light-form attack and Tabitha's explosions) and can throw beings at least 5 times his own size over a large distance. This would be a really good matchup and I'll wait for you to post your strategy with Skaar before I figure out how Cap is best utilized here.

Skaar VS the Captain is a mismatch actually. Skaar's healing factor and physical strength is too much for the Captain to overcome. Just so you know how strong Skaar is, here is an example or 2. Skaar can fight Hulk, and Fing Fang Foom isn't that durable.

Takes out giant monsters easily.

Punches Wolverine to another state.

Withstands a barrage of missiles.

This is just a mismatch, and his healing factor makes it worse.

When it comes to Elsa vs. Moon Knight, I think she has the agility and accuracy to take a battle with him. Once I've got a better idea of what Moon Knight iteration you're using, I'll elaborate from there, but upfront, she's dodged the optic blasts of Mindless Ones and retaliated by kicking silverware into their faces from across a room. Her marksmanship with her rifle or submachine guns is even better; plus, she'll have her shovel, which she's used in close quarters to effectively beat swordsmen before. Here's the aforementioned Mindless One scan:

Moon Knight has his Carbonium Amour which makes him capable of withstanding small explosions, and attacks without trouble. Her strikes aren't going to do much to him, while he can do much to her with his crescent moons. He also is pretty agile himself, and has a strength advantage, and his equipment makes it worse. Not to mention his amour, and experience.

Amour durability.

He also may have better reaction speed than her.

He is good accuracy with them too.

She may cause trouble for a couple of minutes, but that's only because of her little speed advantage, and skill.

Finally, Gambit and Tabby facing off would be interesting. Gambit has his quick reflexes on his side, but he also takes time (however brief) to charge the objects he's throwing. Tabitha has the ability to create her time bombs without the need of objects present. She's made one appear inside of The Blob's mouth before and handled Predator Xes with them handily. Regardless of his reflexes, after this fight begins, he's going to be looking at a lot of small explosions in his immediate vicinity. Though she lacks the intelligence to be taken seriously by a lot of people, she still flourishes with the rest of her team in Nextwave, having way better control of her powers than she ever did before.

She has every advantage over Gambit, except speed, and reaction speed. Which may give him the win, and if it doesn't it will allow him to wait for help. If he knows he cannot take her, he will wait for help instead of taking on someone too powerful for him. Remy isn't stupid, and will only continue to fight her if he is angered. He should be able to hold out.

He can easily counter her with his cards.

I'm done, you're turn.

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@mightyrearranger: Ready now

Monica Rambeau is a lot faster than Genis-Vell, but she doesn't have the blasting power to put him down. She only has speed on him, while he has strength, blasting power, durability, and maybe versatility. Monica does not have the energy out-put to challenge Genis-Vell if he was at half power, and she does not have the draining abilities to drain someone that has planet busting energy output. Sooner or later he's going to tag her, and when he does it's all over for her.

I don't think it's a manner of her just being faster. Sure, she's faster than Genis in the form of a beam of light because Genis can't even transform into a beam of light. He has some energy draining and manipulation feats, but they're nowhere on-par with a woman who can change her very being into the entirety of the electromagnetic spectrum and then some within seconds. That's energy manipulation far beyond Genis's level. She can continue to alter it until he can't adapt to her attacks any longer if necessary.

  • ^Not a planet-buster, you say?
  • She's also altered her energy-output so fast and on-the-fly that the Killing Machine, which was designed to adapt and absorb all types of energy attacks, couldn't react quickly enough to her bombardments.

Her experience with her powers far outclasses Genis, even by his own admission (he was willing to relinquish his Captain Marvel title back to her later as he felt she was more deserving of it, but she denied and kept the Photon name, 'til he took that too lol).

Genis-Vell was capable of stalemating the Sentry, and sending enough power along with Sentry to destroy the planet. This was in the Microverse, so even though everything was shrunk down it would still be the same difference from a person and a planet.

Good showing for him that he stalemated the Sentry, but it's hardly an apt comparison or example. It'd be like using a character's ability to beat a Green Lantern as evidence of why they could beat Gentleman Ghost. Genis is a perfect counter for Sentry and a fully powered Sentry has the particular skillset/strengths to pose a threat to Monica. However, pure strength showings really won't mean much against Monica, even strength of energy attacks. Your own example even states that Sentry can draw energy from every source, while Photon/Genis "shunts" said energy. However, neither of the two characters have the power or finite control over energy in such a way that they can literally convert themselves into it. That suggests a far higher caliber manipulation and assimilation with energy sources, especially those in the electromagnetic spectrum. And if we're going for pure strength showings:

  • ^How about stalemating Zeus?

Machine Man has one good strength showing, and it's against the Hulk. He didn't win or anything either, just held out. While Carol has knocked out Grey Hulk in one hit. Grey Hulk may not be as powerful as regular Hulk, but Classic Hulk was not as powerful as Current Hulk either, so the gap isn't too big.

Quite a severe underestimation of Aaron in this fight. He'll know all about what Carol's done, her strengths, and her weaknesses, and he'll know it instantly:

His showing against the Hulk is impressive because he takes the punches and adapts to them, so the same attack won't work twice. Carol may be able to dish out the kind of punches to break him apart, but Aaron will respond by piecing himself back together instantaneously and in an improved form.

Additionally, he's proven himself adept at defending against energy attacks on-the-fly:

  • ^So whether it be reacting to Cable's telekinesis at a moment's notice, countering microwave projection before a hero even gets a chance to utilize it, or simply shrugging off a blast from the Human Torch, Aaron can realize Carol's attack potential before she even attempts to strike him, and he's displayed the reaction time/durability to either deflect, absorb, or tank said attacks.

(and that isn't even touching on his abilities to contain Carol, incapacitate her, phase her limbs in and out of reality once they make contact with him, etc...)

Skaar VS the Captain is a mismatch actually. Skaar's healing factor and physical strength is too much for the Captain to overcome. Just so you know how strong Skaar is, here is an example or 2. Skaar can fight Hulk, and Fing Fang Foom isn't that durable.

Skaar needs a healing factor?

  • ^Mortar bullet of far greater size hits Cap, then explodes in a blast that encompasses at least the entire block that NextWave was fighting on. Yet Cap shows up unscathed later on. In fact, the worst damage Cap has ever sustained is his shirt being blown off in a huge explosion. He's never been depicted as taking physical harm from the various hits he's taken.
  • ^Skaar's going flying once Cap speed-blitzes him. He tosses this semi-mech brute who was far larger than him across the city before he can react, at a speed of approximately "300 miles per hour". While Skaar may be able to heal from the damage, Cap can just keep pouring it on. He can easily keep Skaar occupied and healing until the rest of NextWave can deal with their targets and join in.

Moon Knight has his Carbonium Amour which makes him capable of withstanding small explosions, and attacks without trouble. Her strikes aren't going to do much to him, while he can do much to her with his crescent moons. He also is pretty agile himself, and has a strength advantage, and his equipment makes it worse. Not to mention his amour, and experience.

I think Elsa's agility feats in relation to Mindless Ones and trained samurai speak for themselves, but his armor will make for an interesting variable. I think her accuracy, base durability, and brute strength in h-2-h more than make up for that (see her taking a chunk out of a motor vehicle by hitting it with her guitar and surviving a fall from the top of a 10+ story building in relation to the strength/durability). And she has the experience of being trained in combat by her father when she was literally no older than a toddler to back it up. Here's how good her aim is in response:

  • ^The backfire from that blew Devil Dino's arm clean off. Now, Moon Knight's not gonna be using any firearms, and he'll have his armor, but there will surely be open spots and weak points within that armor; Elsa will find those openings in the armor and get a clean shot, or be able to disarm Moon Knight of his crescents before/as he throws them. In a close-combat encounter, the advantage shifts even further in her favor.

She has every advantage over Gambit, except speed, and reaction speed. Which may give him the win, and if it doesn't it will allow him to wait for help. If he knows he cannot take her, he will wait for help instead of taking on someone too powerful for him. Remy isn't stupid, and will only continue to fight her if he is angered. He should be able to hold out.

Thing is, Tabitha won't need to hit Gambit with anything that he can dodge. Her powers can trigger at an area she envisions them too, even if that area is directly on his person:

  • ^She's tagging a portion of the samurai who were going toe-to-toe with Elsa in terms of combat speed moments before.
  • ^And then she detonates them with a thought. And her explosions can cover a much greater surface area than that, they're near-unlimited in potential.

And it's not going to be Gambit that's waiting for backup, as I've already pointed out. He'll be dust long before the rest of NextWave meets up with Cap wherever he and Skaar have taken their fight to. Machine Man then hypnotizes him, Tabby blasts his limbs off, and they leave as Monica bombards him with either a petawat laser or UV nova.

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@mightyrearranger: Ah man I forgot about this, sorry. I'll have a post up just now.

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@mightyrearranger:

Okay let me take this a different way. I doubt all these battles would end up one on one, so i'm going to show ways this can go down.

Ms.Marvel has enough fire power to fight with Monica Rambeau, the only thing she is lacking is speed. Although her fire power is on par if not above thanks to her current upgrade. ( Captain Marvel ). With this she should be able to take multiple hits from Monica Rambeau until she can successfully land a hit or help comes. I don't think Monica will be able to phase in and bust apart Ms.Marvel from the inside, because well Carol can just cover herself up with her extreme heated energy, forcing Monica to come out. There is also a very high percentage that Monica wouldn't result to that with her morals. She is a gentle person most of the time, and in a random encounter that would be one of the last thing's she would do. The whole plan is Ms.Marvel to play on the defensive end until help comes. With her great durability, it won't be to hard. She is smart enough to hold Monica off once she knows she's not fast enough to tag her. To showcase her intelligence and tactical thinking, here is an example of her adapting to the situation. Here we have Ms.Marvel fighting a Super Skrull who happens to have the powers of Hulk ( I think it's actually World War Hulk do to the clothes ) and the Sentry. Those are two of Marvel's strongest heroes, and she realizes the Skrull is causing to much collateral damage so she blitzes it into space. Thus suffocating it. I'm not saying Carol will do this to Monica, because she won't, but i'm trying to show that she may, and can adapt to the situation.

Machine Man has stalemated the Hulk? Impressive, but not as much as you would think if you think about it. At the time when Hulk fought Machine Man he was a 90 tonner, something Skaar is far above. Even Ms.Marvel, and it's possible Genis-Vell can amplify his strength to that level. Back than Hulk wasn't as strong as he is now. Machine Man can scan my team all he wants, but the fact is it won't change the fact that my team outclasses your team. Genis-Vell will be able to destroy Machine Man without much trouble if he chooses too. Genis does not hold back as much as my other team does, and seeing how his opponent is a machine it will make him less hesitant. With Skaar's strength used to easily subdue Machine Man, Genis will be able to simply obliterate him with an energy blast.

As I've shown part of before, he's easily capable of holding the Sentry at bay. Here's more of it. He not only hold off the Sentry, but gets the advantage. He also easily takes down Captain America, Spider-Man, and Iron Man in one strike. All feats I don't see Machine Man replicating.

Can amplify his strength.

Multiple times faster than light.

As for Elsa let's just say, Moon Knight got this one on his own. If this goes straight h2h he has a clear advantage, because Moon Knight has more experience and skill than Elsa not to mention he can take far more punishment. She may have a speed advantage over Marc which may cause trouble, although he has tagged people who are pretty fast in there own right. With his amour her attacks will be ineffective, while his will be the exact opposite. His carbonadium armor has some insane durability feats, like supporting the weight of a collapsing building.

Here is a showcase of his skill, and speed against Nick Fury.

He's also not far from Elsa in the speed and reflexes department either.

He has the skill to put down Elsa without too much trouble by using nerve strikes.

The Captain isn't going to be any trouble as Genis-Vell will defeat him with one telepathic assault. He's done it to Purple Man, which led to him crying like a new born baby. Genis-Vell will have him weeping for his parents before he knows it.

This leaves Monica Rambeau, and Tabitha left. Tabitha isn't going to cause trouble in the slightest, she may have taken Gambit out ( maybe ), but against Moon Knight the odds are against her. I've already shown how Marc's amour can hold up against explosions.

He can easily take her out with his cresent dart's, and it's plausible Gambit is alive, and together they will subdue her. She does not have the skill to combat 2 beings like those 2, neither does she have it in her to hold it out until help comes. Her taking out Gambit is not certain because as I've said, and shown Gambit can out run her attacks, and close the gap. He than easily gets an advantage on her.

Monica Rambeau is last for a reason. Not because of her strength, nor durability nor energy projection, but because she is extremely fast. Skaar and Moon Knight may not be able to do much now, but later on they will. Genis-Vell can also fly at faster than light speeds, meaning he can at least see her. With that being said he can engage her an keep her closer to the ground, in-which she'll be in closer reach to Skaar. With that Ms.Marvel has informed Skaar to perform a thunderclap when Monica draws near which will cause her to fall to the ground. ( She won't see it coming, and it has dropped beings far more durable than she is ) Moon Knight than uses his crescent darts on her to keep her down, while she is injured. With that the team trounces her, and she is KO'd or killed.

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#20 Posted by Veitha (3341 posts) - - Show Bio

Cool battle :)

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@dondave: @thundergodswrath: Zoinks, this kinda got lost in the shuffle with all the tournaments I (foolishly and overzealously) signed up for.

I have a few more points to add, but won't have scans 'til tomorrow. Mainly, I've gotta address Machine Man and further elaborate on why he brings a lot more than just "Hulk-level" physical strength to the table.

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@thundergodswrath: Oh man, I lost the plot on this one too, haha. Left the Battles for a while and had some RL stuff to take care of.

Since I don't have a laptop anymore and just a Nook, it's not like I can post more scans. :/

So yeah, why not? :)

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@mightyrearranger said:

@thundergodswrath: Oh man, I lost the plot on this one too, haha. Left the Battles for a while and had some RL stuff to take care of.

Since I don't have a laptop anymore and just a Nook, it's not like I can post more scans. :/

So yeah, why not? :)

Okay but only you can open it since it's your battle.

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Hold on I have a lot of CAV's to vote on. I don't even remember some of the people! Gotta find them xD

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