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#101 Edited by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: @sheenlantern:

Sorry guys, this isn't the place to debate. Best we take this into a P.M, as I don't want this locked or derailed, likely both if this continues. I'll set up a P.M, and we can debate there.

#102 Posted by reikai (4196 posts) - - Show Bio

@sheenlantern: No, it isn't. Surfer is an FTL'er in combat, as are his attacks and he's demonstrated nanosecond reaction times on numerous occasions. All Heralds are, and they can make super-novas for fun. Surfer can turn your eyeballs into singularities or expand your molecules so far apart across space you cease to exist.

Don't even dare think you can compare the likes of Cosmic Users to the Bat, much less to Goku. Surfer can clean house with the whole DBZ cast, and Thor has battled him multiple times.

#103 Edited by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai:

Like I said, take it out of here, and into the P.M

#104 Posted by SheenLantern (6469 posts) - - Show Bio

@reikai: Please, show me Surfer being a million times faster than light in a combat situation.

Oh wait! You can't! Because he never has!

they can make super-novas for fun. Surfer can turn your eyeballs into singularities or expand your molecules so far apart across space you cease to exist.

Gosh, that stuff is so relevant.

Don't even dare think you can compare the likes of Cosmic Users to the Bat, much less to Goku.

Implying Batman > Goku.

You sure there isn't some kind of gas leak in your house?

Surfer can clean house with the whole DBZ cast

lolno

Thor has battled him multiple times.

So has Spider-Man, can he beat Goku too?

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#105 Edited by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio
#106 Posted by Jayko (77 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku might out pace Mjolnir and give Thor the heaviest beating of his life with multi-planetary punching power.That or he can use instant transmission and avoid Mjolnir entirely, and Thor's lightning.

Some of the best durability feats we have some Thor is surviving two planets colliding with one another. However, Goku hit's with a force that makes that look like a grain of salt. Upon witnessing just how destructive Goku's punches are, evident from his punch into King Kai's planet, he might even be able to single shot Thor.

This is simply a murder stomp.

#107 Posted by Iragexcudder (4596 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052: you win solely from your counter arguments. Everything that sebas threw at you, you countered ever so gracefully with sportsmanship and didn't kick him in the dirt even when you knew you were the superior debater in this battle.

@sebast_allen: you did great for your first CaV and you went up against a pretty damn good debater. You did Thor very well

#108 Edited by Experio (15365 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor could have been presented better Sebast_Allen, though you did well for your first Cav, especially when faced against a common Goku expert. Nonetheless, my vote goes to Pope052, he was countering as well as giving worthy points. But credit goes to both

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#109 Edited by Experio (15365 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayko said:

Goku might out pace Mjolnir and give Thor the heaviest beating of his life with multi-planetary punching power.That or he can use instant transmission and avoid Mjolnir entirely, and Thor's lightning.

Some of the best durability feats we have some Thor is surviving two planets colliding with one another. However, Goku hit's with a force that makes that look like a grain of salt. Upon witnessing just how destructive Goku's punches are, evident from his punch into King Kai's planet, he might even be able to single shot Thor.

This is simply a murder stomp.

Goku would never be able to one shot Thor, nor is it a stomp. But this isn't the place to start a debate, all we can do is vote

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#110 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

@sebast_allen:

I'm gonna go ahead and vote for sebast_allen, energy drain is quite the trick and I felt that banning him from replying set a bad precedent. Don't get me wrong Pope was great but I felt it was a tad domineering.

#111 Posted by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio
#112 Edited by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayko:

Goku isn't one-shotting a blood-lusted Thor, regardless of being blood-lusted himself. I agree, Goku takes the fight all of the time but he doesn't stomp, he wins.

#113 Posted by Sebast_Allen (1458 posts) - - Show Bio
#114 Posted by Sebast_Allen (1458 posts) - - Show Bio

@experio: True, i could have done better

#115 Posted by Cjdavis103 (9051 posts) - - Show Bio

@sebast_allen: @pope052

Nice Civil DBZ vs marvel debate maybe people have learned a bit from this

I am giving Pope the edge here he has show goku having a varatay of abilities that give him the edge in versatility in this fight which when combined with the combat speed is the deciding factor in this fight

#116 Edited by SheenLantern (6469 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052 said:

While I do appreciate your votes, you need to give reasoning as to why you voted for me. The votes can only be counted under that circumstance, and I'll appreciate it if you do.

What kind of reasoning?

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#117 Posted by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

@cjdavis103:

Thanks for the vote, and certainly the reason.

@sheenlantern

Qualities of my argument that of which appealed to you most. The points that I made that you found most convincing, etc.

#118 Edited by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio
#119 Edited by Stupid_People (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052 @sebast_allen

Giving it to Pope because i feel he brought more to the table proof wise for his beliefs and countered much more impressively. He really convinces you of Goku's abilities even if I believe his speed was slightly exaggerated.

Also can i get an invite to that PM?

#120 Posted by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

@stupid_people:

Thanks for reasoning and voting, i'll explain my speed calculations in a P.M to avoid trouble here.

Score: 5-2

#121 Posted by Marshall_Long (1951 posts) - - Show Bio

As is always good debate between both users but my vote goes to @pope052, he provided a better case Goku beating Thor. Although I kinda disagree with Goku being Multi-planet as far as his punching power goes.

#122 Posted by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

@marshall_long:

Thanks for the vote, and for giving decent reasoning.

Score: 6-2

#123 Posted by IheartZombies92 (2200 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd say my vote would go to @sebast_allen - I felt like he countered @pope052's arguments pretty well and provided his own as to why Thor would win, and made some good points.

Pope wasn't a slouch either, so it's pretty close.

Good debate, guys!

#124 Edited by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

Score: 6-3

#125 Edited by Jgames (1682 posts) - - Show Bio

Pope052 got my vote for showing goku stats are better overall, although I don't agree with his speed calc, and energy absorbtion is a valid way thor can win if he had shown it in middle of combat with good combat speed

#126 Posted by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

@jgames:

Thanks for voting, and i'll explain the Speed calculations for Goku in a P.M:

Score: 7-3

#127 Posted by Cor_Tsar (1255 posts) - - Show Bio

I personally don't mess with calculations and power scaling(I work with what i see and what i interpret about what i see, statements, power scaling, and all that other stuff doesn't cut it for me), but Goku just in general felt better exhibited. Plus the whole other debator quitting thing makes it pretty obvious who wins this, @pope052 gets my vote.

#128 Posted by Kal-El Summers (208 posts) - - Show Bio

While I don't like that the debator quit the argument when there were quite a few ways to counter, I'm voting for @Sebast_Allen as I felt he had a better grasp over what his character could do than the one debating for Goku.

#129 Posted by Jayko (77 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is not surviving a multi solar system attack, even with the odin force; just try and debunk it. Goku at SSJ2 or SSJ could one shot him.

#130 Posted by Stupid_People (1248 posts) - - Show Bio

@jayko said:

Thor is not surviving a multi solar system attack, even with the odin force; just try and debunk it. Goku at SSJ2 or SSJ could one shot him.

-_-

#131 Posted by hart7668 (2294 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052: Is it the first one to 10 votes or...?

#132 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@sebast_allen: you presented thor very well great job on your first cav:)Pope052 did very well presenting goku and all his abilities ima call it a stalemate great job to both of you

#133 Posted by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

Ψηφίζω για τον Πάπα.

Sincerely,

#134 Posted by Cjdavis103 (9051 posts) - - Show Bio
#135 Posted by Cjdavis103 (9051 posts) - - Show Bio

@jokergeist:

did you say Fluffy bunies ate my soul or asdjkfhiuhfmxbncoqiuff?

#136 Posted by DarkRaiden (6956 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll vote for @sebast_allen since I felt like he had a few good reasons Thor would win such as energy drain and tanking supernovas and....I feel like Pope overstated how good Goku was supposed to be. And he used a pure character statement as proof.

#137 Posted by Sebast_Allen (1458 posts) - - Show Bio

Awesome, so what's the score lol

#138 Posted by Roddy010 (5233 posts) - - Show Bio

First of let me just say that both debaters did an outstanding jobs on their cases. I can honestly say I've learned a lot from both sides and have even more respect for these two characters. I've always wondered how a fight between these two would end and though both debators gave valid arguments I believe Thor's has enough stats to take the majority.

@SA you debated well and gave very solid reasoning as to why Thor would match Goku, however I must give my vote to Pope. Pope you've really grown a lot as a debator. Even though I disagree with your stance I think you gave great counters and used significant evidence to support it. Great job to both of you :)

#139 Posted by Cgoodness (4320 posts) - - Show Bio
#140 Posted by Dewin50 (383 posts) - - Show Bio

Now i'm kinda new here so i'll try doing my best.


My Vote goes to @pope052 since i felt he had more control in the debate, witch is not a big surprise since he's a more experienced CAV debater. @sebast_allen you did really good btw in my opinion (Not that its saying much coming from an even less experienced debater :P)

I'm not a huge fan of the mathematics though that pope introduced. (Death Battle Flashbacks..) but i do see that it's not easy to prove Goku's ture potential since DB is very inconstant. Really enjoyed the Debate tough, Good Job both of you!

#141 Edited by Sebast_Allen (1458 posts) - - Show Bio

I PROMISE TO DESTROY IN MY NEXT CAV :D

#142 Posted by GhostRider2 (3281 posts) - - Show Bio

Goku has speed on his side, here it matters, also the energy drain thing, Goku has experience with that yakon pokemon lol....Pope did a better job @pope052 has my vote.

#143 Edited by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio
#144 Edited by hart7668 (2294 posts) - - Show Bio
#145 Posted by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio
#146 Posted by Jokergeist (4935 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait—is that what I said? I could've sworn I said "Fluffy bunnies ate my soul".

#147 Posted by Cjdavis103 (9051 posts) - - Show Bio
#148 Edited by Kainboa (101 posts) - - Show Bio

voting for @Sebast_Allen.

He showed that Thor would be able to take anything Goku would be capable of throwing after him, while @pope052 had to resort to flawed calculations as well as ignoring cannon materiel which contradicts how he wishes Goku to be perceived, not exactly the best traits for a debater to have.

#149 Edited by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

Score 13-6

#150 Edited by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

Goin w/ Pope on this one. He did a better job of counter-arguing and also did an excellent job of displaying Goku's versatility.