This is a CaV between me and pr0d1gy, so no outside interference from anyone. No voting until both users have finished all their posts. Please do not vote for the person you personally believe wins the fight, but who you think debated their character better overall. When you vote please give reasons why the user that you voted for won. I hope everyone enjoys this CaV.
@pr0d1gy you told me to begin yes?
ok here i come
Hulk's Origin
After dosing himself with the Extremis serum, Banner develops another new personality: Doc Green. Doc Green retains Banner's intelligence (much like the Merged Hulk), but is still a wholly separate entity, with the real Bruce kept locked away inside. Doc Green is also far more arrogant and condescending than previous incarnations of the Hulk, believing himself to be far smarter and more capable of making decisions than those around him. This leads to him using Ultron's body to develop a Gamma cure. He forcibly administers it to the various other Gamma-powered heroes of Earth, despite most of them wishing to keep their powers.
At various times, it's implied that Doc Green is in danger of eventually becoming the Maestro, who appears in his dreams. In the end, the Extremis begins to wear off, and rather than take a supplement, Doc Green allows himself to fade away, fearing that his continued existence would one day give rise to the Maestro.
The Hulk's gamma irradiated physiology allows Hulk to survive in space. Hulk's increase in gamma radiation in proportion to stress (caused by his own physical exertion/anger or outside forces), converting it to stronger cellular mass (stronger DNA which, in turn, produces stronger/denser organic tissues), negating what would be lethal force in order to survive. The growth of Hulk's gamma ray-fueled transmutation gives him potentially limitless strength extending to unparalleled abilities of regenerative healing, stamina, and durability.
Hulk is physically one of the strongest and most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe. His limitless strength usually depends on his emotions, especially his rage. Hulk has the potential to truly be "The strongest one there is".
Hulk is vastly a 100+ class, the original Omega lv thread, together with the Phoenix Force, Sentry and other beings. Hulk's main power is his incredible raw power. He can lift a 150 billions mountain while in a calm state, he can easily lift and throw mountains and even fix the tectonic plates of a planet who was bigger than earth by 1/3, go toe to toe with Thor, manhandle Juggernaut, fighted the power to change a planet's orbit and hold the weight of a fricking star.
Hulk has always been noted to have great superhuman speed despite his size due to the power of his gamma-charged body. He can run really fast
Hulk's skin is extremely durable, his skin can easily resist a Ground Zero explosion, Human Torch's Nova Blast, planet-Shattering impacts, and a blast from Galactus. Hulks durability also increases with his rage. Hulk has also been able to take a blast which Ultron used to soften and manipulate adamantium, Wolverine also has a hard time to even cut his skin,
Hulks stamina is also very high, in a normal calm state, he can go on for several days before he even begins to feel tired. Hulk's stamina increase with his anger.
Hulk has always been a learned fighter he has always shown good skills in swordsmanship
and hand to hand but more importantly
After some training with Iron Fist he was capable of going hand to hand and even beat down Rulk without needing to use his whole physical power.
Your turn.
Thor is the god of thunder and blood son of Odin Borson. He is also son of Elder God Gaea. The purpose Odin had for Thor was to bear a son whose powers would derive from both Asgard & Midgard. This elaborate idea would make it impossible for 'Those Who Shit Above In Shadow' to determine his actions. Thus, Thor could, and did, bring an end to the Ragnorak Cycle when he acquired the Odin-Force -to a degree far surpassing Odin, and the Runes. He has not only achieved the impossible through his actions but had also with the assistance of others; when Odin & Thor fought together and brought down Surtur. Aside from high tier cosmic battles Thor has also fought against The Destroyer, Savage Hulk & even Odin.
Thor was originally introduced by Stan Lee. The idea being was to create someone stronger than the Hulk, a being more powerful and surpassing him. 'How do you make someone stronger than the strongest person?' Lee thought to himself. 'You make him a god!'. That was the original idea and the Marvel comics have always prescribed to that idea. Thor was introduced as a character meant to be greater and more powerful than The Hulk.
How do you make someone stronger than the strongest person? (The Hulk) It finally came to me; Don't make him human -make him a god. I decided readers were already pretty familiar with the Greek and Roman Gods. It might be fun to delve into the old Norse legends... Besides, I pictured Norse gods looking like Vikings of old, with the flowing beards, horned helmets, and battled clubs. ...Journey into Mystery, needed a shot in the arm, so I picked Thor ...to headline the book. -- Excelsior The Amazing Life of Stan Lee
must say though true be said Hulk has always been my numero uno since I was a kid Thor has always a close and challenger.
Nice Intro.
Originally Yes but is by far a pretty wrong standar to determine who is stronger. Prior to Hulk's stand on Planet Sakaar Hulk absorbed the planet's energy increasing forever his strength.
Hulk has become a force to fear even the all time favorite Mighty Thor. Yet Hulk has constantly show to posses the abilitie to if enraged enough one-shot Thor with zero problems.
not to lowball or anything just making a point that if angry enough Hulk could easily take down big T.
Another way to determine is comparing their power greed, Thor may have speed thanks to Mjolnir but Hulk posses Durability. and it increase all the way up.
Hate to be nitpicking, it takes a lot of me, but being a god has nothing to do with strength. Hulk posses the power to surpass the gods, Thor posses the strength to keep up with Thor, but that's it. Volstagg, Sif, Loki, Valder, none of them actually posses the power to give a challenge, a finger is all that it takes to take him down.
Hulk has broke Mjlnir in a What if?
Is not good to use What if? I mean is a good neck feat, hehehe, but non-canon and is not following the contest of many battle they have had.
Thor and Hulk: What really happened and what would really happen
2 Hulks,
Two Hulk that don't act nothing like the OG, two Hulk that give Thor a trouble but featless no more.
whether the Big Green has gone toe to toe with all of the Avengers, easily scaping their grip,
heck his has gone toe to toe tryng to calm down the Big Three
Neither are going all out but Thor is angry bc of how is Hulk trying him like...poop... never though I would say that.
Not really, in all of Thor vs Hulk fight the 1 minute thing has never been a problem for them to fight. (the link has almost their fight, Thor has never had any trouble to fight Hulk despite the time. Heck in a few comics Thor ask to his father to lift the enchantment and Hulk beat him down without the hammer. Is pretty obvious up to now in the old time
Thor with Hammer > Hulk > Thor w/out Hammer.
I don't remember any shield, please post it to be sure.
Savage Hulk is the average incarnation of Hulk. Most powerful?
Uni power Hulk, Green Scar, Mindless Hulk, Infinite Gauntlets Hulk, all of those guys are more powerful than the Average Hulk.
U already posted this.
Hulk's strength increase by the time. is not something u take as a consideration. And Thor has already done that without the belt and so has Hulk.
1-3 Resist and lift the weight of a star.
4 Gives and take punches to shake the whole world.
5-6 fall from the moon and not even faced.
7-9 Hulk resist and stop Exitar's advance that was going to crush the planet.
10 Resist, lift and fight back the power to change the orbit of a planet.
Hulk has even no-selled a explosion that destroyed the planet sakaar a planet bigger than earth by 1/3
Thor posses versatility in this battle but that's about it. He doens't have a actual way to put down, not the way u have mentioned now. U have shown me nonecanon feats whether I show u canon feats, and u have yet to got for the storms. But please allow me to teach u in the art of busting the Asgardian. (imagine a chinese voice from a old kung fu master).
To the defeat a phoenix when Thor falls who u gonna call?
Ok Now that we got all the presentations out of the way, let's get this down to different questions of Thor vs Hulk.
Combat faster, we all know Thor with Mjolnir is pretty fast but his combat speed, is really that great compared to the Hulk?
Though Thor can help himself with Mjolnir to get close to Hulk, Hulk can catch Thor by surprise and blitz the life out of him.
Thor, there is no need to say otherwise, but that's bc of the hammer, but Thor has it hard to pull up a striking power enough to shake the planet or brake it, whether Hulk does it everyday. Comparing them by their fights with other people Thor actually lost a fight with Phoenix Force Ema Frost. He give her a hard time but when Hulk has her encounter with her he easily knock her into the planet, sneaking behind her.
Thor having a hard time doing anything to her Hulk easily pound her inside the earth.
Another well example is Rulk
Though Thor has by Rulk's own words nearly killed him when Savage Hulk nearly fails. Hulk later in their second encounter nearly killed Rulk when he stops holding back. Never the less, Thor is a formidable opponent but Hulk is simply outclass him physically.
While Hulk can pretty much Shake Dimensions, Thor can bust moon-sized bombs made of the core of stars and pretty much shake stats, I mean I can shake my department hitting the floor with my two hands but I can't brake it. That's why I say Thor hit harder than Hulk. But don't take my own word for that the incredible amount of pain Hulk can deliver can be described by Wolverine's own words
Via feats? Hulk, while Thor has tanked the explosion of planets, ok not tanked by no-selled the explosion of planets Hulk can do shit like this
That's pretty much what puts Hulk in the top chain on Marvel's Omega threads, Hulk is impossible to put down. Heck sometimes I actually ask myself why come up with versions more powerful than Savage Hulk, the Green Goliath is the OP Hulk.
With all this in account we can actually say, Hulk is pretty much obliterating Thor in a direct combat.
Definitely Thor, there is a difference between strength and power and Thor brakes this match, Thor's storms and multiple power is what give him the edge against skyfathers and more, but is this power of Hulk gonna be enough to put Thor down? Well we will need to read ur next post to see that answer.
There is only one way actually, Hulk Smash. While Thor's lightnings are powerful and Thor's attacks are greater than Hulk's punches specially bc they are far away Hulk can create earthquakes or heck he can counter with his all powerful thunderclaps
enough to repel attacks powerful enough to shatter entire dimensions. Thor's storms and lightnings will prove useless against the mightiest mortal on earth.
Is ur turn darling? And I actually hope u give me some real challenge. I mean I love ur tourneys but ur way of debate gives a lot to which for. Hope u give me something better than this.
@pr0d1gy said:
Neither in the links I showed or in this video the 60 seconds is a problem.
I had mentioned that. and the feat is impressive cause Thor was unable to defeat a weaker version of her.
Not the pain but a description of how Hulk's punches actually feel, is more to you and the readers know how does a punch from the Hulk feels like.
The fact that u are planetary lv or neighborhood doesn't make a difference when it comes on speed, you have yet to show me Thor is faster than Hulk. And i very doubt it Hulk has been easily capable of keeping up with Mjolnir in a fight against giants.
in those links and the video I showed Thor engage Hulk in combat without his hammer multiple times, is in character for him to simply try to defeat Hulk on his own mediums. And Hulk can easily evade Thor's throws and proceed to blitz Thor.
You are yet to prove any of this, u say Thor gives out more output than Hulk, yet I'm the onlyone actually posting feats I'm comparing them. Practically I'm playing solitary.
A Warrior's Madness Thor is unable to put down Professor Hulk disguised as Maestro, heck Hulk is pretty much owning a amped Thor.
You mean when Odinforce Thor owned Iron Man in his most basic armor? yeah cause that's fair. Hulk has constantly owned Iron Man and his Hulkbusters whether Thor needs Odinforce to own Iron Man.
Yes Thor hold back with most mortals, yet he has various times shown to be uncapable of actually hold back against Hulk and still gotten owned.
Warrior's Madness Thor is 10 times more powerful than base Thor, Professor Hulk a weaker version of Hulk was owning him.
You didn't actually provided any scan of Thor even using a shield. u only provided a scan of Thor whirwind around to create a disruption, Hulk in that scan is trying to push and not punch and guess what happens then if Hulk punched him?
If Hulk can punch through time and space I doubt he would have any problem punching through Thor's little barrier.
I can counter ur statement with another one. All you got in there is saying "Hulk fears no man but Thor is no man" well that doesn't actually mean anything since Thor admits he never could defeat Hulk.
No, stop making things up, first everytime SS fight Hulk is by a long dinstance and trying not to engage Hulk in a direct fight, in planet Hulk, a weakened Hulk finally fights a weakened SS and guess who eats the dirt? Hulk obliterates SS to the point he nearly kills him. So we know why SS uses energy assault against Hulk and not a actual fight, heck SS even tries to drain Hulk from his Ganma rays to evade a actual conflict with the green beast.
A younger SS can't beat Thor using cosmic shields, congrats, SS isn't actually engaging Thor while he is trying to punch through SS's shield, very convenient for the thunderer, heck he has in the past even gone physical with Thor instead of engaging in a energy struggle as he often does with Hulk.
Sure, stood his ground, absorbing Hulk's gamma power to try to make him into a human isn't a great example. Specially if Hulk has actually easily beaten Juggernaut whom Thor has his bad days with.
A bloodlusted Thor against a Silver Surfer and a BRB who was trying to calm him down and not hurt him. did u come with that on ur own or did u had some help? Will that be before or after Hulk easily disarm Thor and obliterate him in a hand to hand combat where Thor simply stands little to no chance at all of winning.
So pretty much we got a Thor tired of getting his beam kicked by Hulk that he tries to pull up a SS trick without knowing the consecuences, not to mention is very out of character of him to do that since Thor by himself always engage in physical combat or tries to use storms to fight Hulk.
Do your homework before engaging against someone who knows both of the participants inside and out.
Hulk can't be stopped by time
So another strategy gone bye bye.
Another unrealistic and in a bad way a character as Thor is not able to do so in combat and travel in time to attack a opponent "worthy of his caliber" to put it in some way Thor prefers to engage on combat.
Another unfit of his character and unable to be so. Again if Thor could would do that instead of engaging Hulk in a actual combat he would have done it before. Heck against Mindless Hulk who was giving him trouble and can be said even had the upper-hand Thor forgot he could bfr Hulk and decided to engage him in a fight.
At this point you are simply relying on bfr. remember winner is by Death only. We talked this over. Yet you are bringing point that at best u can do is create a stalemate.
Additionally, Thor's battle with Bor actually lead to the bursting of the planet they were battling on. Further-more, the neighboring moon was also cracked. This is a fairly impressive feat.
Yes impressive indeed, I also mentioned that before as well, and also mentioned Hulk shaking realities around. Not to mention that in that feat Thor is braking his bones and tendons swinging the hammer harder than he could.
Not true, Thor destroys a planetoid not a actual planet, Hulk has one-shoted a meteor twice the size of the earth.
true enough this is Gray Hulk, but is a weaker version of the Hulk I'm using on this CaV.
He is gonna need it since Hulk by himself has one-shoted already twice Thor. And like already proved you Hulk is more than a match for a 10 times stronger Thor, how is twice the strength of Thor gonna do nothing in this fight?
Being the winner determined by Death, and Thor always engaging Hulk in physical combat instead of bfr like u say he could he decides to fight him in real combat.
Hulk has never run away scared from neither SS nor Thor. Second every time SS fights Hulk he decides the easy way as he is not stupid, he knows he stands little to none in physical combat against the Jade Giant.
No, Thor has never used against Hulk, nor has he drained Gamma energy in the past, yes he has drained nuclear energies but even Hulk has feats countering the draining
And since Magic can't drain Hulk's powers I doubt Thor has what it takes to drain Hulk
OK let's go to the star of the event
Not just your strategies are playing on Thor BFRing Hulk in a not really in character manner intead of engaging Hulk like he always does. Like I say in those links I give u Hulk vs Thor every time they fight Thor either uses Storms or uses pure force. In which neither prove capable of putting Hulk down by themself. True enough Thor has knocked Hulk down with a sneak attack from Hulk just to later simply Hulk waking up and beating the crap out of goldilocks yet is proven again and again Hulk posses the pants in the bromance. Heck when a angry Thor enounters Thor there is only one possible outcome,
Hulk has proven again and again against people like Thor, Sentry and Juggernaut he simply stands on top of the food chain when it comes to strength. Why do i mention Sentry? well if u remember in Seed Thor gets totally owned physically by him while Hulk stands his ground against him. Remember again how Hulk and Thor's modern fights end? The scans are up there, classic Thor was no different
Hulk can easily grab Thor's hammer and four shot him like he did in the past. Thor has never been close to do something to that against Hulk, heck Thor's strikes have proven useless against the Hulk
even though Thor catch him by surprise.
And like I say before Hulk is faster in combat wise and movement, stronger more durable than Thor. He simply stands on top of the hill when coming to the actual fight.
Seriously love you need to counter and not simply ignore reality and actually give me a real CaV. I know u can do better heck i have seen you commenting out of the CaV. Why are u going so soft with me? Must I show you my angel form to give u a intensive?
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