CAV: T-800(Jwalser3) vs. Sokka(Joewell)

Rules

Gear:

T-800: None

Sokka: Machete, Meteorite Sword, Boomerang, and Wolf Armor

Distends:

50 feet

Arena:

A sand arena surrounded by a bamboo forest

Prep:

1 day

Vs.

@jwalser3 @joewell

@joewell: You can start.

@YoungJustice said:

LOL, this is a serious mismatch, not even the greatest debaters could pull a win for Sokka.

Sokka makes a pit and traps the T-800 inside it with his day of prep

@YoungJustice:I questioned it as well....but he insisted.

@Ultra_Girl_:How do you make a pit in sand?

@jwalser3: Aww i hate openers but whatevs

Ok so while T-800 could take out Sokka with only a couple hits, i don't think he could really get those. In the fight with Master Piandao ( i'd post a video but meh internet is dysfunctional, were gonna have to wait for weekend for that sadly ) He was dodging around from him the whole fight. T-800s agility isn't all that great ( not bad but not peak human or anything ). So its gonna be hard for the T-800 to catch him

His arrcrucy is awesome with the boomerang he showed that when he hit Combustion Man in the head from behind the wall when they were around 50 feet away and when he was fighting on the huge blimps in the last episode. So i think he could hit the T-800 in his hydrolics, and thats one of Sokka's keys to winning here.

As he show in the fight with Piandao ( who is the best sword fighter in the fire nation if not the whole avatar world ) He is a great sword fighter, and he picks up on things quickly ( like in the fight with CM, he knew how to take him out ). So Sokka could shrike down on each of the hydrolics and the T-800 would fall.

Also the arena favors Sokka here, again in the Piandao fight he used his surrounds perfectly and this place is very simaler to that. He could cut down all the bamboo too slightly stall the T-800 and use the sand to trip up it.

Again sorry idon't have any vids, i'll post some this weekend

@jwalser3: With a shovel and some bamboo, or make a bambooo cage and bait him to trip the wire, so many ways man

@YoungJustice: I got this

@jwalser3 said:

@Ultra_Girl_:How do you make a pit in sand?

A lot of patience and careful planning.

@CouldntFindAName said:

T-800 wins. to fast, to strong and to powerful, Kyle Reese even failed with prep at beating a T-800....... I doubt if Sokka can do anything.

@Ultra_Girl_: No, you aint gonna trap a T-800, Not the Arnold T-800, he will bust through Jupiter even and Sokka will get murdered effortlessly and quickly, those T-800's are gods.

Anyone going with Sokka needs to put down the crack pipe.

T-800 Stomps.

Goodnight!

Please stop. You make Terminator fans look bad.

@joewell: I believe the T-800 get out of the pit.

But I will say Sokka is more versicle. But with 50 feet the T-800 can easily cover that distance at 22mph. And when in H2H it's over.

This is a T-800 from Terminator:Tempest All your bladed weapons are ineffective here as well.

@911:If you want to go by that. Then why can't the T-800 go find a cop and take is pistol, one shotting Sokka?

@jwalser3: well if he makes the pit deep enough it can't climb out in their metal skeleton they don't have the right hands not too mention they're to heavy it would bring down the pit on top of itself burying it alive.

@911:

House explosion, plus pipebombs.

@Ultra_Girl_: I don't think the T-800 would fall for a pit covered with leafs... I still don't see how digging a hole in the sand could even be deep, or big...haha

@jwalser3: lol I just hope it's deep for Sokka's sake

XD

and the only reason I thought of the pit is because T-800's are too focused on one objective lol at how many times they fall for a trap or get knocked away due to getting distracted, he would be too busy trying to kill Sokka to worry about the pile of leaves in a sand pit XD.

@911 said:

@Ultra_Girl_ said:

@jwalser3: lol I just hope it's deep for Sokka's sake

XD

and the only reason I thought of the pit is because T-800's are too focused on one objective lol at how many times they fall for a trap or get knocked away due to getting distracted, he would be too busy trying to kill Sokka to worry about the pile of leaves in a sand pit XD.

When have T-800's ever fallen for a trap? I would love to see proof of this.

got stopped by a hydraulic presser in T1.

@Ultra_Girl_:Haha. True. But with a day of prep the T-800 could scan the battlefield and notice anything different?

@911: For a Terminator fanboy you know nothing about the Terminator comics. He was in the house and if they were dynamite and not pipe bombs that only shows better durability. C890.L is a T800 here. http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/C850.D

Thanks guys but

@jashro44 said:

Guys this is suppose to be a one on one debate. Save your opinions on the actual fight until the end at least.

this

But what everyone else said is true

@jwalser3 said:

said:

T-800 wins. to fast, to strong and to powerful, Kyle Reese even failed with prep at beating a T-800....... I doubt if Sokka can do anything.

@Ultra_Girl_: No, you aint gonna trap a T-800, Not the Arnold T-800, he will bust through Jupiter even and Sokka will get murdered effortlessly and quickly, those T-800's are gods.

Anyone going with Sokka needs to put down the crack pipe.

T-800 Stomps.

Goodnight!

Please stop. You make Terminator fans look bad.

@joewell: I believe the T-800 get out of the pit.

But I will say Sokka is more versicle. But with 50 feet the T-800 can easily cover that distance at 22mph. And when in H2H it's over.

This is a T-800 from Terminator:Tempest All your bladed weapons are ineffective here as well.

Ummmm wow, but why would that make the bladed weapons infective?

In the prep Sokka could set up traps like holes or cages. He'll have to fall into one of them, i know the T-800s are smart but their no genus like Sokka. And if it does fall into a hole it can can't get out or

@Ultra_Girl_ said:

@jwalser3: well if he makes the pit deep enough it can't climb out in their metal skeleton they don't have the right hands not too mention they're to heavy it would bring down the pit on top of itself burying it alive.

this would happen.

If it gets stuck in a cage ( like in the ones from the Jet episode ) then yeah, it could get out but it would be slightly disinterested and Sokka could brake the hydrolics.

@jwalser3 said:

If you want to go by that. Then why can't the T-800 go find a cop and take is pistol, one shotting Sokka?

Well.....then i'm screwed, for the sake of this being fair can we say no modern tech during the prep?

@joewell:

1. Sorry that scan was just showing what could happen in H2H. I brought up the bladed weapons because I don't see them being a factor here.
2. It really depends on how deep they are. As for cages, the T-800 could easily break them, seeing how they can rip T-600s in half.
3. If no modern tech, the spears, arrows, swords. I think with the aiming of a T-800 and the strength he could spam spears at Sokka.

@jwalser3: Wait are you using a skinless one like in the picture? If so then yeah, he could stick the sword in the parts between his arms, legs, and neck to disable those joints.

Well you can dig a pretty deep hole in a hour is thats all you doing, he could set up about 5 of each trap assuming the take about an hour each, he's bound to fall in one of them. Well Yeah he could get out, i am think of cages the are unasembled on the ground, then when a wire of some sort gets triped they lunch the person in the air in a cage, like the jet episoade ( do you watch alot of avatar? ) He would get out with ease but then he would fall on the ground and Sokka could get a joint shot on him

I'm thinking if Sokka can dodge fireballs and blast he can dogde some spears untell he can get into the woods or into he can bait him in a trap

Ok i gotta go, i'll try to respond tommorow or the next day

@joewell:I don't watch Avatar lol :P

I just don't see the swords, boomerangs, could cut Hyperallow. Even if they did(IMO they couldn't until I see feats) the T-800 will still come after Sokka if it has 3 limbs or none. As for T-800's projectiles I think the targeting computer could help, again with the strength behind it, the spears should travel faster.

@jwalser3: Oh, well then you have no idea what i'm talking bout do you?

But i'll give you vids for every thing this weekend

Even if it didn't cut all the way thru it could jam it so it wouldn't work no more. And he could do that to each of its joints. How could he still come after him if he dosn't have any limbs?

True but I'd still say Sokka can deflect or doge most of them. Also he has the wolf armor in this fight so he could tank some of the spears if he dosn't.

Anyway he'd be too focused on killing Sokka to watch out for traps, i mean it has been baited into them before, and if it gets stuck its game over

@joewell: If Sokka gets close to the T-800 it's not going to end well. I'll post scans of them in h2h later, back handing people across rooms and throwing other T-800s around. They can also rip threw bodies. Now I know that he has Wolf Armor on, but T-800s have ripped threw metal doors and T-600s. So I don't think the armor will help.

I also see no trouble with the Terminator catching the blades in h2h.

As for the joints being destroyed. The T-800 could lose up to, 2 limbs before being in serious trouble.

@jwalser3: Ok, but can you show me some speed combat scans?

Depends what two limbs, and ether way its gonna slow him down, probably enough were he can brake the others

And its also gonna have to dodge the pits all over the arena, which i think will be its ultimate downfall. I mean they do get baited into traps alot. And Sokka will know just where to place him, he has taken down huge machines before with some planning and a map in the drill epi ( ok he didn't do any of the work but he came up with the plan to take it down ) and he has reseved actual training since the first season so he can do some real work here.

@joewell: Sorry I was busy last night. I'll post scans tonight, I promise. Haha.

But back to losing limbs. If it loses both it's arms, it can still kick real well as C850.D has proven. By kicking a man in the face and busting his teeth. And IIRC in one of the movies, a T-800 grabbed some ones leg and broke/ fractured it (I'll search for a video)?

I will say the pits will be a probelm. But with only a day of prep, one guy, and limited resources he is going to make up to 5+ deep holes for a T-800 to fall into? I don't know how well he is with prep but, he I don't think he is a Batman level prep fighter. Plus if Sokka is digging all day, will he have enough energy to evade spears, or fight h2h with the T-800? I don't remember (watched like 5 episodes awhile ago) he wasn't to athletic.

@jwalser3: Take as long as you need

Yeah, it will probably only take one or two shots to take down Sokka, but as i'll show you soon he's pretty evasive.

No, not even close to Batman, but he is a great prepper. Thats probably because you watching the first season right? He gets alot better near the end of it. And yeah, he still gets to sleep, i mean it should only take him about an hour and 30 minutes per hole right? He could still build at least 7 or so holes.

@joewell:Yo! Sorry it's taken me awhile, been busy.

I will also add more if I can find some. There are not to many times it's come down to h2h, but I know I have some. And I'll see about some video clips as well.

@jwalser3: Video time.

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/avatar-book-3-fire-episode-4

start at around 18:30 to see the fight agent Pindao.

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/avatar-book-3-fire-episode-12

18:15 to 19:15 he takes out combustion man

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/avatar-book-3-fire-episode-20

52:35 to 53:55 he figures out a way to take out all the guards at once, 61:00 to 63:22, takes out a hole fire bending army, 70:00 to 71:50, still taking out that army

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/avatar-book-3-fire-episode-10

6:35 to 7:50, thats all his plan but his dad had to enplane it , 18:30 to 18:40, quick combat feat, 19:10 to 19:55, he takes down 3 battlements ( with help ) and slices straight through metal

@joewell:

While it's impressive. The T-800 could walk right threw the bamboo, climb out of a sand hole, and so forth. Unless he had outside help(which would be so one sided) then maybe Sokka would win.

They get out of a cave that collapsed in on them.

Down to a H2H situation and it's over, fast. Yes Sokka was able to evade the sword master, and the meteorite sword has cut threw metal. But the T-800's durability is to much. One T-800 has taken a shot gun blast to the joint and it didn't do anything. The same 2 Terminator got hit by a train and got back up in a minute. The T-800 isn't going to stand there and let Sokka hit him. He could possibly one shot Sokka if he punched threw his stomach.

@jwalser3: Not if it was really deep, it would just cave in he would be stuck

As you said the sword cut through metal, why can't it cut though the Terminator?

Can you show me the scan/vid of one getting shot in the joint? ( Not calling you a liar if thats what it sounds like, sorry )

But the train wasn't hitting his weakpoints, also can i see scan/vids

I know, but like in the fight with Piandoa he is very evasive, Sokka won't let it just punch though his stomach

@joewell said:

@jwalser3: Not if it was really deep, it would just cave in he would be stuck

I've already shown a scan of 2 T-800s escaping the ruble of a cave I see no problem with a pit.

As you said the sword cut through metal, why can't it cut though the Terminator?

Sorry, I was meant to put in, I don't think it's going to cut easily threw the armor. T-800's armor has survived many explosions, explosions that would easily destroy what ever Sokka face. I'll say it's safe to say that shrapnel has to have hit the joints before.

Can you show me the scan/vid of one getting shot in the joint? ( Not calling you a liar if thats what it sounds like, sorry )

But the train wasn't hitting his weakpoints, also can i see scan/vids

They get knocked off line for a brief moment, giving them a chance to escape.

@TheCheeseStabber:

A T-800 got shot in the elbow with a shotgun then punched a baby cow.

Then 2 T-800s got hit by a train and got back up. :P

@jwalser3: Yeah but the Meteorite sword has cut through metal before, and an explosion and a sword cut are 2 different types of damage. A sword can hit in certain places. And exp-losions often take out Terminators.

I mean in that vid he was slicing though ballista's roughly the same size as its arms with ease.

@joewell: How durable are the fire nation's tech? The T-800's armor has tanked way better things then, rocks. I find the hyper alloy to be far more durable to blunt force, blades, explosions, etc.

Any metal cage Sokka puts the T-800 in, it can break out.

The only thing Sokka has is speed, and the meteorite sword(still iffy it can deal a lot of damage) The strength, speed, and durability that the T-800 has will finish this fight with a little trouble. But Sokka's fate is inevitable.

@TheCheeseStabber said:

@jwalser3: ...Poor cow lol

If it was Bat-Cow, the out come would have been different.

@TheCheeseStabber You made my day.

@jwalser3 said:

How durable are the fire nation's tech? The T-800's armor has tanked way better things then, rocks. I find the hyper alloy to be far more durable to blunt force, blades, explosions, etc.

Any metal cage Sokka puts the T-800 in, it can break out.

The only thing Sokka has is speed, and the meteorite sword(still iffy it can deal a lot of damage) The strength, speed, and durability that the T-800 has will finish this fight with a little trouble. But Sokka's fate is inevitable.

And skill, speed, agility, and skill.

Its pretty durable, its the most technologically advances place in the avatar world.

But that sword is made of Meteorite which apparently in the avatar world is like adamantium. All he needs is for the T-800 to run at him and he can duck and cut its legs of, the it can take it down with ease.

@joewell said:

@jwalser3 said:

How durable are the fire nation's tech? The T-800's armor has tanked way better things then, rocks. I find the hyper alloy to be far more durable to blunt force, blades, explosions, etc.

Any metal cage Sokka puts the T-800 in, it can break out.

The only thing Sokka has is speed, and the meteorite sword(still iffy it can deal a lot of damage) The strength, speed, and durability that the T-800 has will finish this fight with a little trouble. But Sokka's fate is inevitable.

And skill, speed, agility, and skill.

Its pretty durable, its the most technologically advances place in the avatar world.

But that sword is made of Meteorite which apparently in the avatar world is like adamantium. All he needs is for the T-800 to run at him and he can duck and cut its legs of, the it can take it down with ease.

So he is fast, 20+mph fast? He isn't out running a T-800.

Even if it is the most technologically advanced place in the Avatar U. That doesn't mean their tech is durable. They fight people who throw rocks, and water.

I won't believe that until I see something even close. And you're saying the T-800 won't fight back while it's legs are off? Terminator 1. I've shown a scan of a T-800 reacting before a guy pulled the trigger to a gun. I think he can react faster then Sokka, swinging his sword.

@TheCheeseStabber:Lost it at 12.

@TheCheeseStabber:No it's good. I just peed myself at number 12 is all.