#1 Edited by ImmortalOne (3449 posts) - - Show Bio

Debate between me and

Superman
Thor

Rules

  • Pre-52 Superman, regular Thor
  • In character
  • Random encounter
  • Win by death, KO, or incapacitation
  • Battle takes place on an empty Earth
  • Superman automatically wins (okay, maybe not)
#2 Posted by ImmortalOne (3449 posts) - - Show Bio

: So, you wanna go first, or should I?

#3 Posted by Daaerk (204 posts) - - Show Bio

This battle is going to be good I hope! XD Good luck to both of you! =3

Daaerk

#4 Posted by New_World_Order (13189 posts) - - Show Bio

@ImmortalOne said:

: So, you wanna go first, or should I?

You go first. This is going to be probably the toughest debate I ever been in. Good luck !

@Daaerk said:

This battle is going to be good I hope! XD
Good luck to both of you! =3

Daaerk

Thanks :)

#5 Posted by KingAres109 (1260 posts) - - Show Bio

Hope this is good...1 boy scout vs a Warrior..

#6 Posted by Daaerk (204 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@ImmortalOne said:

: So, you wanna go first, or should I?

You go first. This is going to be probably the toughest debate I ever been in. Good luck !

@Daaerk said:

This battle is going to be good I hope! XD
Good luck to both of you! =3

Daaerk

Thanks :)

Sure!

Daaerk

#7 Posted by New_World_Order (13189 posts) - - Show Bio

@KingAres109 said:

Hope this is good...1 boy scout vs a Warrior..

Thanks :)

#8 Posted by MaximumOverdrive (10 posts) - - Show Bio

This would be an interesting fight.

#9 Posted by PrinceAragorn1 (17376 posts) - - Show Bio

@ImmortalOne: @ThunderGodsWrath: All the best, both of you.. looking forward to your debate.

#10 Posted by New_World_Order (13189 posts) - - Show Bio

@PrinceAragorn1: Thanks :)

#11 Posted by New_World_Order (13189 posts) - - Show Bio

@ImmortalOne: Your go!

#12 Posted by dondave (37436 posts) - - Show Bio

This is going to be interesting

#13 Posted by TheTmac (472 posts) - - Show Bio

Definately keeping an eye on this.

#14 Posted by nU_Kovak (127 posts) - - Show Bio

Ah, the never ending debate.

#15 Posted by ImmortalOne (3449 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath: I've been out for most of the day, but I can finally get to this. So to start off...

Strength

Along with Hal Jordan, Superman pulls the Earth- http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/121530/2845275-2664855_12.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/121530/2845277-2542058_15.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/121530/2845281-2542059_18.jpg

Moving planets- http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/43469/1030991-planet_moving_super.jpg

Speed

Is able to move/process information in a fraction of a nanosecond- http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/103201/2711501-5.png

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/103201/2711502-6.png

Can keep up with Jay Garrick on the ground (who can run at light speeds)- http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5058/jay1wz3.jpg

Flew to the sun with Darkseid in the time it took for a short speech (I timed myself reading it at a normal pace, came with about half a minute), showing FTL travel speed- http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/13/138607/2685107-005_superman_batman_013.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/13/133769/2686782-726997-supes5_super.jpg

Able to vibrate his body so fast it becomes intangible- http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33202/652930-supesspeed6_super.jpg

Durability

Able to tank punches from Zoom, who can punch with the force of/harder than a white dwarf star- http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/43469/1324566-green_lantern___sinestro_corps_special_01___page_06_super.jpg

Survived being smashed in between New Genesis and Apokolips- http://i.imgur.com/CQJzZ.jpg

#16 Posted by New_World_Order (13189 posts) - - Show Bio

This is just show you that Superman cannot move planets, or moons. Yes he can destroy them, but not move them.

Superman has never moved a planet or a moon without aid. He has failed to move moons with the same mass or even lower by himself.

- Failed to stop a moon even with several Kryptonians helping him.

Taken from Superman: New World of Krypton 7

-Stuggling to pull the moon even with the aid of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and a whole Team of magic users.

Taken from: JLA 58

-After being powered by Strange Visitor and a sundip he struggled moving Warworld which is only the size of Pluto (smaller than Earths moon). Brainiac even states Kal normally wouldn't have the strength to move that.

Taken from: Superman v2 173 & Action Comics 782

-The most popular scan which looks like it is depicted as Superman moving 1/3 of the Earth. This however is completely out of context.

Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter failed to move the Earth it was actually Kyle who moved it with help.

Taken from: JLA 75

"Superman can move at Light speed"

To start things off. I already know Thor is at a disadvantage here, because Superman is faster, but Thor makes up for it in other things. Since this battle is morals off, random encounter, and in character Superman won't try, and speedblitz Thor right off th bat. Superman will see how powerful his opponet is first by brawling him Hulk style, which Thor is good at. Once Superman see's how hard Thor hits, he's going to try harder, and harder, until he speed-blitzes. Which in my opinion won't put down Thor. I will be showning reasons later for this. For now i'm going to show some feats of strength, durability, and abilites of Thor, and compare them to those of Superman's to shown you how Thor can react to them, or even counter them if he wanted too.

Strength/Striking

  1. Thor moving island easily
  2. Thor knocking Odin to his knees
  3. Thor hitting Exitar's amour so hard that it puts a hole through his amour, and shakes the whole planet
  4. Thor, and Beta Ray Bill lifting Asgard
  5. Thor hitting Nul into space ( Amped up Hulk, with Mjolnir hammer )
  6. One-shotting Angrier ( Amped up Thing with Mjolnir hammer )
  7. Thor dents pure admantium
  8. Beta Ray Bill, Thor's equal ( Slightly weaker ) Destroys a planet

Durability

  1. Tanks a blast from the Dark Avengers & UFO's
  2. Tanks planet exsplosion
  3. Tanked blast from Silver Surfer while weakened by World Tree
  4. Survies being eaten at by killer flies by Glory, and being crushed
  5. No harm being in the sun
  6. Tanks being phased through by Vison's arm
  7. Tanks an exsplosion, while he was alread uncouncious
  8. A blow that would shatter a diamond from Rogue makes Thor blink

Abilites/Powers

  1. Made a storm in Asgard that reached all the way too Earth
  2. Has Anti-Blast that is as powerful as a star
  3. God Blast can hurt Galactus, destroy Celestials dome, and push back Classic Juggernaut
  4. Absorb, and ridirect attacks 10x more powerful or 100x
  5. Transmution
  6. Molecure Manipulation
  7. Control over the Earth
  8. Teleport
  9. Control any sort of weather
  10. Make tidal waves
  11. Produce AOE attacks
  12. Put his whole body in electricity
  13. Make powerful winds, and tornadoes
  14. Block at planet decimating blasts with his storms
  15. Heat & cold resistant

TravelSpeed/ReactionSpeed

  1. Fly from earth to sun in a matter of seconds to throw Sentry's dead corpse into the sun
  2. Said by himself, and Hela to be as fast as the lightning he commands
  3. Reacted to Phoenix Jean Grey who shot a blast at him from behind, just about to hit him, and he turns around and counters it
  4. Catches the Wreckers crowbar just inches away from his head
  5. Saves Rulk before he drops in blackhole
  6. Flew 3 times speed of light
  7. AVX confirmed Mjolnir can move twice the speed of light ( In space it has moved 3 times the speed of light )
  8. Took out a group of eniemes members by telling Mjolnir to do it

My turn is done. Your turn !

#17 Posted by comicace3 (5283 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

This is just show you that Superman cannot move planets, or moons. Yes he can destroy them, but not move them.

Superman has never moved a planet or a moon without aid. He has failed to move moons with the same mass or even lower by himself.

- Failed to stop a moon even with several Kryptonians helping him.

Taken from Superman: New World of Krypton 7

-Stuggling to pull the moon even with the aid of Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and a whole Team of magic users.

Taken from: JLA 58

-After being powered by Strange Visitor and a sundip he struggled moving Warworld which is only the size of Pluto (smaller than Earths moon). Brainiac even states Kal normally wouldn't have the strength to move that.

Taken from: Superman v2 173 & Action Comics 782

-The most popular scan which looks like it is depicted as Superman moving 1/3 of the Earth. This however is completely out of context.

Superman, Wonder Woman, and Martian Manhunter failed to move the Earth it was actually Kyle who moved it with help.

Taken from: JLA 75

"Superman can move at Light speed"

To start things off. I already know Thor is at a disadvantage here, because Superman is faster, but Thor makes up for it in other things. Since this battle is morals off, random encounter, and in character Superman won't try, and speedblitz Thor right off th bat. Superman will see how powerful his opponet is first by brawling him Hulk style, which Thor is good at. Once Superman see's how hard Thor hits, he's going to try harder, and harder, until he speed-blitzes. Which in my opinion won't put down Thor. I will be showning reasons later for this. For now i'm going to show some feats of strength, durability, and abilites of Thor, and compare them to those of Superman's to shown you how Thor can react to them, or even counter them if he wanted too.

Strength/Striking

  1. Thor moving island easily
  2. Thor knocking Odin to his knees
  3. Thor hitting Exitar's amour so hard that it puts a hole through his amour, and shakes the whole planet
  4. Thor, and Beta Ray Bill lifting Asgard
  5. Thor hitting Nul into space ( Amped up Hulk, with Mjolnir hammer )
  6. One-shotting Angrier ( Amped up Thing with Mjolnir hammer )
  7. Thor dents pure admantium
  8. Beta Ray Bill, Thor's equal ( Slightly weaker ) Destroys a planet

Durability

  1. Tanks a blast from the Dark Avengers & UFO's
  2. Tanks planet exsplosion
  3. Tanked blast from Silver Surfer while weakened by World Tree
  4. Survies being eaten at by killer flies by Glory, and being crushed
  5. No harm being in the sun
  6. Tanks being phased through by Vison's arm
  7. Tanks an exsplosion, while he was alread uncouncious
  8. A blow that would shatter a diamond from Rogue makes Thor blink

Abilites/Powers

  1. Made a storm in Asgard that reached all the way too Earth
  2. Has Anti-Blast that is as powerful as a star
  3. God Blast can hurt Galactus, destroy Celestials dome, and push back Classic Juggernaut
  4. Absorb, and ridirect attacks 10x more powerful or 100x
  5. Transmution
  6. Molecure Manipulation
  7. Control over the Earth
  8. Teleport
  9. Control any sort of weather
  10. Make tidal waves
  11. Produce AOE attacks
  12. Put his whole body in electricity
  13. Make powerful winds, and tornadoes
  14. Block at planet decimating blasts with his storms
  15. Heat & cold resistant

TravelSpeed/ReactionSpeed

  1. Fly from earth to sun in a matter of seconds to throw Sentry's dead corpse into the sun
  2. Said by himself, and Hela to be as fast as the lightning he commands
  3. Reacted to Phoenix Jean Grey who shot a blast at him from behind, just about to hit him, and he turns around and counters it
  4. Catches the Wreckers crowbar just inches away from his head
  5. Saves Rulk before he drops in blackhole
  6. Flew 3 times speed of light
  7. AVX confirmed Mjolnir can move twice the speed of light ( In space it has moved 3 times the speed of light )
  8. Took out a group of eniemes members by telling Mjolnir to do it

My turn is done. Your turn !

Damn

#18 Edited by New_World_Order (13189 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicace3: Lol

#19 Posted by ImmortalOne (3449 posts) - - Show Bio

What you're (and by that, I mean Binder_full_of_Woman) is trying to say is, that due to a few feats where he fails to/needed help to move things, then that means he can't.

First off, New World of Krypton is a rather unreliable source. The Kryptonian powers were rather broken in that arc. Also, in the Earth moving feat, the JLA actually did manage to get Earth somewhat under control before Kyle came, as stated by Atom.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/2532/2688993-jla_75____kebbin___49_super.jpg

I can counter these scans with scans of where he did indeed move objects of that magnitude.

Along with Hal Jordan, Superman pulls the Earth- http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/121530/2845275-2664855_12.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/121530/2845277-2542058_15.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/121530/2845281-2542059_18.jpg

Moving planets- http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/43469/1030991-planet_moving_super.jpg

Byrne Superman throws a moon sized ship

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/67698/1414500-superman_moon_size_ship_super.jpg

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

Strength/Striking
  1. Thor moving island easily
  2. Thor knocking Odin to his knees
  3. Thor hitting Exitar's amour so hard that it puts a hole through his amour, and shakes the whole planet
  4. Thor, and Beta Ray Bill lifting Asgard
  5. Thor hitting Nul into space ( Amped up Hulk, with Mjolnir hammer )
  6. One-shotting Angrier ( Amped up Thing with Mjolnir hammer )
  7. Thor dents pure admantium
  8. Beta Ray Bill, Thor's equal ( Slightly weaker ) Destroys a planet

1. Superman has also carried a prison complex the size of Stryker's Island into space, until it became a comet, which is more impressive than Thor's, since he was basically just towing the island along, rather than lifting it up.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/121530/2864071-mover06wu.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/121530/2864076-mover0ut.jpg

2. I think it can be said that Odin was holding back against his son. Odin is clearly more powerful than Thor is.

3. Superman is said to hit with enough force to destroy a small planet

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/60228/1806810-trinity05003vl7_super.jpg

4. Would this be the kingdom of Asgard, or the dimension itself? Because if it's just the kingdom, Superman has lifted heavier, as seen in my previous scan.

5. Superman has punched Lobo straight into orbit

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/104916/2732194-354224-superman_punches_lobo_out_of_orbit_super_super_super.jpg

And he's also compressed and hurled an explosion into the sun

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/45/suntoss7rv.jpg/

Punches Wonder Woman all the way from the sun to the Earth

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/102264/2677687-wonder_woman_v2_219_08.jpg

Durability

  1. Tanks a blast from the Dark Avengers & UFO's
  2. Tanks planet exsplosion
  3. Tanked blast from Silver Surfer while weakened by World Tree
  4. Survies being eaten at by killer flies by Glory, and being crushed
  5. No harm being in the sun
  6. Tanks being phased through by Vison's arm
  7. Tanks an exsplosion, while he was alread uncouncious
  8. A blow that would shatter a diamond from Rogue makes Thor blink

2. Superman has done so also, surviving the collision of New Genesis and Apokolips, as seen in the previous scans. And this was after he took a beating from an amped Darkseid.

Tanks the explosion of War World.

http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7992/survplane1ai0.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8127/survplane2uv4.jpg

5. Superman can also survive in a sun that does not power him

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/93189/1875615-1806827_s2cd5_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/125071/2604491-s1te3.jpg

6. I'm not trying to put down this feat or anything, but that's not really impressive. Many people have done so, including street levelers like Bucky Barnes.

Okay, now to get on to the main part of my debate. I think Superman strength and durability, which is on par with Thor's, combined with his superior speed will give him the win.

Like Flash, Superman can vibrate his molecules to the point of becoming intangible. He could phase through anything that Thor throws at him.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33202/652930-supesspeed6_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/125071/2630294-superman_v2_170___11.jpg

Along with this, Superman's reaction speed is better, as evidenced when he raced Jay Garrick across a populated area.

And he's easily able to match and even surpass Wonder Woman's combat speed.

http://imageshack.us/a/img399/1894/supermanvswwry2.jpg

He BFRs Parasite before the Injustice League can even react.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3470/bfrfi6.jpg

He's able to react and dodge to Darkseid's Omega beams

http://oi42.tinypic.com/a6zck.jpg

Fights and defeats an opponent with superspeed.

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/4530/08222005115613am7bx.jpg

Fights an Imperiex with superspeed

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/125071/2629179-supermanvol2153_11.jpg

#20 Posted by New_World_Order (13189 posts) - - Show Bio

@ImmortalOne: I'm too busy to get the debate started. Give me until atleast tomorrow at around 7:00, maybe earlier. Also when Thor hit Odin, how does being more than someone say they can't be hurt? Just because Odin was holding back, doesn't mean his durability does too. Which it does not. You don't control your durability. You have to remember Mjolnir is a Skyfather level weapon, meant to first be used by Odin, until Thor came along, and became the rightful user. You also have to remember it's not like Thor punch Odin, but smacked him with said hammer Mjolnir.

#21 Posted by Alyssabird (1363 posts) - - Show Bio

speed blitz vs durability/time stop, that's all this battle is

#22 Posted by New_World_Order (13189 posts) - - Show Bio

@Alyssabird said:

speed blitz vs durability/time stop, that's all this battle is

Speed blitz, man I hate that. Also Thor lost his time manipulation powers.

#23 Posted by New_World_Order (13189 posts) - - Show Bio

@ImmortalOne: You win. Thor simply can't beat Superman.

#24 Posted by ImmortalOne (3449 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@ImmortalOne: You win. Thor simply can't beat Superman.

Nice debate, you had a pretty solid argument.

#25 Posted by New_World_Order (13189 posts) - - Show Bio

@ImmortalOne said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@ImmortalOne: You win. Thor simply can't beat Superman.

Nice debate, you had a pretty solid argument.

Thanks you too