CaV: Stitch (NeonGameWave) vs Sonic (Deathhero61)

Represented by NeonGameWave

Represented by Stingerrain

Story

Sonic like always is speeding around and having fun, best known to his team being closed to Knuckles, Amy, Tails and etc. One day, however that all changes as he is not prepared to meet the unpredictable after being absorbed into some kind of strange interdimensional vortex.

Such as this

He ends up in a weird and giant rainforest in which he runs into Stitch who has been crawling up the trees, being of curiosity and optimism like he usually is although he is a bit weary, decides to approach Stitch who seems to be very enraged as he is very temperamental. A battle ensues once Stitch decides to strike with Sonic exclaiming, I don`t want to fight you buddy! But Stitch continues and this is when Sonic declares okaythat`s enough, as soon as that happens the battle takes off.

Match Rules

Morals on

Both are in-character

No prep

No prior knowledge

Only canon and common feats are allowed

Sonic is the game version with some few exceptions that are canon to his character and he cannot use the Chaos Emeralds unless Stitch is also allowed access to his fellow experiments.

Both are at standard

Fight takes place here

Challenge a Viner Rules

• Votes are only counted with at least one reason.
• No starting extra debates, posting scans/videos, or correcting either of us on anything (however if you must do so, do it in a P.M).
• Regular posting/commenting is fine.

Mood Setters

@stingerrain, I made the thread let me know if you want to see any specific changes, or if I should add anything to the OP :)

@NeonGameWave: Tag me for votes please!And good luck to both of you!

@neongamewave: Looks good. :) If you'd like, you can kick things off. Unless of course you'd prefer if I did.

I will and thanks!

Thanks, it could go either way, you can start if you want :)

Should be good

Odd....

@neongamewave: Tag me for votes first of all, and second of all will this be anime sonic? game sonic? archie sonic? and im assuming that sonic won't be getting the chaos emeralds? or any weapons like a sword(since he has the experience from black knight) or magic powers(since he has the ring from secret of the rings) Im assuming that archie sonic would be in base at a certain point of the series? What are the limitations because if you allow a majority of sonic's powers it won't be fair despite how powerful and intelligent stitch is.

Cool :)

Good question, it will mainly consist of the games Sonic. I believe most of the other referenced appearances and secondary series are mainly apart of the EU which is kind of non canon and he won`t be able to operate with the Chaos Emeralds but if I were to allow it, I would allow Stitch a perk of his own in the form of his fellow experiments.

@neongamewave: I swear to God I almost challenged Stingerrain with Stitch myself just last night.

@deathhero61: My intentions were to use standad game Sonic without any equipment or items (such as the Chaos Emeralds)

Lol, like they say two great minds think alike :)

So you guys going to start soon? @neongamewave i advise starting as soon as possible before all the lilo and stitch videos get removed for copyright issues off of youtube.

I agree and good point, I agreed with @stingerrain that he would go first but if not, I`ll start up my introduction.

It`s a Kryptonian, its a Saiyan, it`s a Irken? No its an experiment, an alien experiment by that fact! Now we all know Lilo and Stitch as we also know Stitch but I am going to show you a much more detailed side to him a side that most aliens would question! Now contrary to popular belief, Stitch is very powerful although he may not be super-invulnerable or have some kind of Saiyan transformation he does in fact have his uniqueness being experiment 626. I`m not only going to showcase why he is so powerful but I am also going to show why he is going to win against one of my favorite characters of all time Sonic, despite the obvious fact that Sonic`s main advantage is his trademarked signature speed.

The Experiment

Now to give you a brief run-down on who Stitch actually is although he doesn`t actually need an analysis but being an experiment of extraterrestrial origin, we might as well :) Stitch is commonly known as Experiment 626 created by the scientist Dr. Jumba Joobika in which he later after a series of events crash lands within the area of Hawaii and later down the line comes across in confrontation to that of Lilo in which the two formulate their famous bond/friendship.

This creature not known by many is quite powerful even more so than Sonic and the rest of his friends. Now before I get into the actual category of Sonic`s slick speed, I am going to showcase some of Stitch`s most notable attributes and I will also exude in the explanation, the reason why he wins this battle.

- Stitch as confirmed by Jumba possesses a feral and destructive mind as evidenced when he was tearing through the city once he went on a rampage, this will occur during the fight with him and Sonic due to the fact that he can easily become enraged and act out with predatory instinct.

Stitch picks Jumba up and then tosses him with absolute ease, right through the window.

During these points, Stitch combats Jumba who is a genius and has great experience in weaponry crafting but Stitch bests him regardless.

Stitch also dodges Jumba`s plate throwing and Jumba was throwing these objects so fast that they appeared to be thrown in a blurry fashion also Stitch did so without having to react directly or focus his sole concentration on Jumba he just used his amazing sensory.

Stitch hits Jumba with a car and throws it at Jumba as he forces it right within his perspective too in other words he has Jumba cornered by the car which was being smashed into his face.

The type of car that Stitch threw at Jumba seems to be a blue colored Fiat 500 and these styled cars weigh around, based on this source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_500_%282007%29

(1,907–2,161 lb) (Europe)

1,072–1,149 kg (2,363–2,533 lb) (US)

Roughly by maximum it would be 2,533 which by definition means Stitch lifted a car worth 2,533 pounds which was done with his minimum amount of strength!

Another instance worth noting is when, right before Stitch threw Jumba out of the window a portion of the house fell on top of him yet he got right back out of the rubble to initiate an attack on Jumba like nothing had happened previously.

Stitch is really deadly and dangerous what many don`t even realize is the fact that Stitch is no stranger to pushing boundaries that many Disney themed protagonists wouldn`t, he was willing to use a chainsaw to finish-off Jumba right in an instance. Jumba`s quick thinking saved him from the lethal elite damage that Stitch was about to wrought upon him.

During when Jumba and Stitch were conversing about playing with weapons both tried to avoid the others` mistake by tossing Jumba`s plasma gun back and forth, the weapon ends up being destroyed in a massive wide-radius explosion due to a clogging by a carrot. Stitch came out of the blast with no damages, no scrapes, no bruises, no broken limbs, absolutely no damage.

Stitch in an instantaneous fashion being the super computer mind that he is (which I will get into later) utilizes gasoline and liquidized heat substances to propel himself within the air so that he may break right through the exterior of Captain Gantu`s ship carrier and he tossed him right out as well. Stitch as consistently demonstrated can lift aliens and obstacles many more times his size, weight and dimension this already highlights the confirmation that Stitch is superior to that of Sonic when it comes to pure physical strength.

Stitch even halts a fire truck on his way to Lilo and this is Stitch doing so with ease.

According to these sources

(http://www.ask.com/question/how-much-does-a-fire-truck-weigh)

(http://answers.ask.com/business/transportation/how_much_does_a_fire_truck_weigh)

Fire trucks weigh around the concept of 50,000 ibs as Fire Trucks vary in size but the one Stitch stopped in its tracks seemed to be the much larger and elite model. Thanks to Jumba we can understand how much more powerful Stitch is than Sonic, as confirmed in the beginning of the movie. Stitch has the following abilities:

Stitch in more imagination to the confirmation of his ridiculous strength can lift things that are exactly 3,000 more the size of his definite weight this was even elaborated on by Hamsterviel when they were clashing and he had to have Stitch restrained with devices designed to compress as well as suppress his strength as the tech itself expressed more weight than that of 3,000.

Now that we know what Stitch is capable of we can add momentum to the fact that Stitch will win, his main challenge will be overcoming Sonic`s boss speed but he can do this and he will do this! Stitch has many ways in which he can maneuver around Sonic which includes using the environment to his advantage as he can easily blend in with the surroundings, climbing around trees and hiding in the many luscious covered nature wild areas. I know as I am aware that Sonic is well accustomed to destinations that emulate the feeling and atmosphere of rainforests but it doesn`t mean that Stitch won`t be able to adjust and adapt to the forest at a much more impressive rate making it into a personal weapon as Stitch even has shown the 100% capacity of being able to create weapons out of thin air without any real resource or preparation his gifted mind in other words -

Would make Batman feel like this lol.

And lastly is Stitch`s handy adaptability in which he is able to adapt to his opponent and resolve the situation with what he comes up with in opposition, speaking of speed, Stitch did in fact take on a speedster who is technically as well as realistically more faster than Sonic (one of my favorite if not most favorite experiment), this experiment goes by the name Sparky and he is the embodiment of electricity/lightning which is tracked as far as moving at speeds that would be classified as hypersonic basically beyond that of Mach 5. Sparky (experiment 221) utilizes his electrical energies to travel via conductors and surges, Stitch at first couldn`t keep up with Sparky or find a way of being able to best him, however only with time is he easily and quickly able to adapt to his speed finding ways in containing him in which he succeeds having him caught off guard in order for Lilo to contain him within a glass object. As expressed throughout this awesome AMV themed tribute video. Its hard to find scenes for the movie let alone the movie itself so I will be keeping things simple, reasonable and small in the taxing of having to look through an entire movie. But the link for the movie will be at the bottom of this video for more clarity and direct reference.

This will be it for now and as shown so far, I`m not only prepared but Stitch is certainly prepared.

You`re move @stingerrain :)

Finally. This should be good. @stingerrain you better not lose this, i love stitch but i love sonic even more, you better represent game sonic well. He really shouldn't be too hard. Good luck to both of you.

Wow, I was thinking Sonic would win this one, but with @neongamewave 's arguments, I'm starting to think otherwise. lol I never realized how OP'd stitch can be.

tag for votes, a CaV with stitch and sonic sounds awesome.

Very cool stuff, guys. In a way, this almost reminds me of a classic Hulk vs. Flash fight (one feral and uber-strong, the other uber-fast). Feel free to tag me if you need more Voters. I'll be keeping an eye on this one!

@stingerrain: Damn it when are you coming??????

I still got time on my hands this week, If he doesn't want to do it then i wouldn't mind.

@deathhero61: My apologizes, I had the misfortune of getting booked all this week so I'm not gonna be able to respond until this weekend. I am by no means backing out. I PM'd Neon about it so he already knows.

So yeah, I will resond, It's just gonna be while. Sorry.

............ so

@stingerrain@neongamewave yo you guys still doing this?

I`m still in, just waiting for @stingerrain.

@stingerrain Look man are you still up to this? its a quite a few days past the time you said you were coming back. Plus the other day i seen you posting comments on other threads as if you had all the time in the world 2 days after you said you were busy.

@neongamewave: Is @stingerrain actually coming? Its been 2 weeks....... can i take over?

I haven`t had any recent word from him as of yet, but you could takeover with his consent of course. You would bring out the best in Sonic for me and many more to see :)

@neongamewave: With his consent? alright. Since this is game sonic i actually have a good idea of what feats to use since i have been a fan of the sonic the hedgehog series for quite a while. I know exactly what feats to use to counter stitches......

My gosh, school has been such a pain and time consumer for me...

Anyways, @deathhero61, you have my consent to take over my position. With my current situation, I doubt I could continue this match within a timely manner; and I would definetly love to see this match unfold. And besides, you would probably do the blue blur more justice than me, honestly. But anyways, sorry for the wait, and I wish you the best of luck. :)

@stingerrain: Sweeeeet.

@neongamewave: Alright lets get started, but first im not going to post up a shitload of feats, im going to show off the basics.

Sonic is a hedgehog that moves at high hypersonic speeds, according to official sources sonic can move at speeds of Mach 5 and up.

His reflexes are insanely higher than his opponent stitch from what i seen from both universes sonic is far more coordinated in combat as well.

And i just wanted to say something about Stitch's immense strength. Although highly impressive, its not the same as striking strength.

http://www.expertboxing.com/boxing-training/boxing-workouts/why-lifting-weights-wont-increase-punching-power

Sonic has proved time and time again to have amazing striking force. And although i wanted to save this for later its an argument that would seriously hurt if i didn't bring it up early:

Although the entire video is rather entertaining, just skip to 0:27 then watch till 0:39

As you can see he flings around eggman like he is a toy.

Although the homing attack is not pure striking strength, this is a good example of the difference in attack powering between stitch and sonic. And just in case you think this feat is inconsistent despite being current.

As you can see its rather consistent.

And here is the thing, sonic is very and i mean very used to combat, he has faced a variety of foes, telekinesis users, energy manipulation users who have immense combat skill along with similar speeds to him, straight up powerhouses like knuckles and rogue and remember that super powerful being chaos that sonic had to beat in his super form?

Also in sonic and the black knight the first thing sonic does when he appears in another world is speed blitz all the enemies in his path:

No F**ks were given. This shows that in character sonic will blitz his opponents. And merlina mentioned how as soon as sonic picked up the sword how skillful he was. Plowing through monsters, defeating a dragon. He has some real skill in combat, if you seen the things he done in sonic and the black knight you would see how coordinated he truly is.

skip to 25:15 if the video didn't already skip for you. and watch till 25:55 you can see him running and avoiding falling rubble and even running over rubble thats already in mid-air if you watch closely enough.

And although its not really necessary let me show you one more video that shows sonic's coordination and skill and agility. All in which sonic has the advantage over stitch based on showings.

There is actually allot more to show, but this should be fine for now.

Edit: P.S for the feats for keeping up with sparky, i just wanted to clarify that reaction time speed is not the same as legit muscle control at the speed you can react to.(combat speed)

@deathhero61: NICE

@neongamewave BTW i already made my opening post here and at the cav im in againstg nickzambuto so just letting you know.

Now things are really getting interesting and intense but there is so much to prove with so much time, as much as there is power production. I`m coming in fast like Sonic but let`s just say I have cleared the board faster than any checkmate can be called forth in word. Everything you have shown me thus far is very impressive as it is clear as much as it is sound in regards and in relation to how threatening Sonic can be, when you are to look pass the speed but everything is already known to me. I`ve come prepared but I`m already steps ahead and Stitch doesn`t only have a legit counter to every point, but he also has the underestimation of unpredictability, while Sonic on the other hand is actually pretty predictable.

You have to remember that this is Stitch that you are dealing with, you thought Hulk was tough well this monster defined the definition of being that truly scary kind of monster, that different type of monster, let`s reintroduce him.

As admitted in admission, Sonic is indefinitely faster than Stitch but there is a problem to this whole thing. He may be fast but there is so much you can do with your speed that he won`t be able to do with Stitch, Stitch is an entirely category here he is much stronger, smarter, versatile and uneasy than most if not all of Sonic`s enemies. He`s essentially like an encompassed compilation of all them in one. Sonic has fought nothing like Stitch before while Stitch has fought plenty of special ones that are quite similar and easily compatible-translatable to that of Sonic. Stitch adapted to Sparky`s hypersonic speed movements, he didn`t have to exactly match or surpass him he just needed to outhink him in the long run, while Sonic may be faster physically he is not faster mentally. Stitch is the better thinker, learner, planner as he processes all of these skills with more instrumentation so Sonic can run all he wants, do fancy tricks, taunt, skip around and blur but if he can`t hurt or at least surprise Stitch then he is in for a rude awakening.

It doesn`t really matter, the reason being that Stitch is and will never be Superman. That argument is more applicable to Superman who is not consistently credible when it comes to having the double edged sword of the best of both worlds in terms of physical striking power and lifting strength, Stitch can hit hard and throw hard. There are so many ways in which I can counter, debunk and educate this point but I`ll start at the basics. In this instance during a crossover special in which he took on Jake Long from American Dragon he did not only demonstrate levels of notable striking strength but unlike Superman he utilized and exploited it in a way that compliments his combat construction he threw Jake, parried with him and even grappled onto him also Jake is a skilled fighter with a good deal of experience so Stitch being able to see through his movements is pretty impressive. Even if Sonic was somehow magically more superior than Stitch when it came to striking strength it wouldn`t actually matter considering Stitch has and will use that form of strength to deal damage he tears things apart, throws things, and he reinforces with resistance. What`s stopping Stitch from this tearing apart the ground or just throwing large trees and covering himself with a conditioned form of conscious camouflage? He could easily manage all this with his super computer based mind unlike Sonic who resorts to playfulness and one dimensional combat, Stitch actually knows how to fight and he`s fought skilled beings such as Leroy, Gantu, Jumba and etc. Sonic targeting and locking onto his opponent is slick as well as cool visually but viably its lacking, Stitch in another aspect of truth is far more durable and pain tolerant, things that normally happen to Stitch on a regular basis would kill or disable Sonic. Sonic isn`t more skilled or combat savy, Stitch`s mind is programmed to adapt but it was also pre-wired to fight and learn which Stitch has done he has learned many styles as well as techniques during the course of his journeys even if Sonic was to be more skilled it doesn`t take away the fact that Stitch is the better strategist and orchestrator. Sonic doesn`t even possess the raw strength output to damage Stitch let alone put him down for a lasting victory so it doesn`t matter. Stitch even exuded the meaning and means of showcasing striking power when he used heat substances to propel himself and destroy Gantu`s ship which is far more durable, dangerous and expertly designed than Eggman`s hovering vehicle. Eggman is incompetent as well as he offers too many openings for Sonic to use against him so the credibility when it comes to the enemies faced comes into question as it does inspection.

3:07 - 4:00

I apologize for the quality, but this should do and as explained, Stitch has more going for him than Sonic has going for him even if we are to count his interactions with that of his team.

None of what you have shown me is shockingly impressive to the point where it is suppresive to that of my standing arguments and points. Sonic took on the creature lastly mentioned in an amped form. The rest is the same and the lock on ability is not going to phase Stitch one bit it might cause him to stumble or be forced back but it won`t do much especially since this is the same alien who survives large explosions, being smashed, crushed, smacked around by and with large objects, etc.

Here is another example of Stitch being able to adapt even when it comes to speed and movement. Experiment 323 is a creature with the ability to make individuals fall in love with a single peck this creature is noted by Lilo and others as being fast or extremely difficult to capture while not Sonic fast the main important point is that Stitch with his thinking ended up catching this experiment who was out of his reach initially he did not take that long to adapt or process information either.

0:05 - 1:12

Experiment 525 whose name is the Deforestator has the ability to increase and accelerate with momentum due to the unleashed utilization of his arms in which he builds up drive by twirling as well as whirling his two trusted arms with the friction created he can travel a great distance and he was so fast that Stitch as well as many others couldn`t catch him but eventually Stitch adapted in which he was able to catch and intercede him in direct combat confrontation. Sonic will be caught eventually as well and I am certain of this since Sonic has consistently as well as consciously attributed the following attributed throughout all of his appearances he is playful, a taunter, naive, caught up in his own running speed and although he does value what is at stake he still finds the time to instigating ill feelings. This will occur since Stitch has an unquenchable curiosity when it comes to displaying destruction his way and it doesn`t help when Sonic is essentially a Barry Allen and Spider-Man in one. Stitch is very intolerable of certain things and Sonic will make those things present whether he knows it or not. The fact that Stitch can not only defeat and convince Experiement 525 to change his ways but also catch him off guard as well as stop him in his tracks when he is propelling his gauge in speed then I won`t have any doubt that he can adapt to Sonic`s more defined and dazzling speed thanks to his super computer centric circuited mainframe of a mind. Stitch has demonstrated far more educated, developed and delicately designed skill or procedure in battle than Sonic has thus far also what makes it worse is Stitch`s enemies are actually more useful as they are not too much filler-fodder.

To add to the fact that the enemies that Stitch deals with are far more impressively indefinite of imposing danger is Evile an evil experiment, Experiment 627 who was pretty much based on the conceptualization of Stitch an evil counterpart. Now this creature is a disastrous little demon as I would describe him, probably more so than even Leroy he not only has Stitch`s native and unique abilities but he packs the power and punch of many more experiments he has many ideal abilities yet Stitch in the end was able to overcome him this guy would ruin Shadow the Hedgehog`s day ( my favorite Sonic character) and he certainly would ruin Sonic`s day. Evile has the following abilities hes not to be taken lightly or slightly he is powerful and this creature was matched by Stitch regardless of how overpowered he was and if you look at the entirety of the video you can notice Evile throwing a giant house on Stitch which did nothing. Stitch threw a big obstacle himself these are the kind of guys that Stitch battles all the time and this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are showings from the anime series Stitch! but its pretty much the same thing as the canon its compatible and consistent even in that interpretation everything is in equal truth it just showed how powerful Evile truly was. Sonic can keep trying to blitz or prove himself the better runner for track and field but what good would that do him when he cannot phase nor faze Stitch? He doesn`t have the necessary strength even experiments as powerful as this couldn`t bring Stitch down so what does Sonic have on Stitch at the end of the day other than speed and jokes? Stitch has on many occasions taken on and outperformed fast moving creatures even creatures that were offensively concrete in how they channeled their speed/reflex/reactions/balance. Sonic is going down, the characters that Sonic managed to blitz or alarm are not on the same level as Stitch and their not as unpredictable either. In the following I will post an official listing for Evile`s abilities and Stitch had to deal with all of it which includes laser blasts, legit laser blasts. Lasers are layered and lauded as being light speed, in actual reality they quite are. Stitch dodged laser beams from Evile and he found ways in keeping them off his back so that`s an impressive reflex as well as calculative feat as well. Even during the courses of the video, Stitch dodges lightning, and even fire when trapped by Evile`s needles his reflexes and senses are really top notch he will surprise Sonic. Sonic won`t surprise Stitch however, so the element of surprise is still in Stitch`s favor.

This directs me to my next and final point about Stitch`s ranked speed, now in terms of the whole Sparky thing you are actually wrong on all accounts. Stitch didn`t only keep up with Sparky or interpret his movements but you missed the most important point is he adapted, learned and mastered all in a simultaneous fashion during the entire situation. Sparky`s heightened developmental speed was countered and corrected by Stitch in the end he learned Sparky`s tricks and he caught onto him this will occur with Sonic. Sparky isn`t the only one to be a fast challenger there is an experiment by the name of Zap who is an embodied laser, lasers are lightspeed and they travel as light, Zap could even bounce off walls and react instantly yet Stitch managed to contain him. Stitch reacted to Sparky and he used muscle movement to propel, redirect and process the necessary performance to have Sparky against the wall also what`s stopping Stitch from creating a gadget to deal with Sonic`s speed a lot of what Stitch has dealt with required him in some way to create a nullifying device regardless of his limited resource that`s another thing, Stitch is smarter he will find a way to discharge Sonic`s charged outbursts. I have so much to say but this is what is needed.

Stitch even took on Cyber and during the courses of the video you can see Stitch dodge laser fire which is more impressive and more notable then avoiding falling debris. Although what Sonic had displayed is worth taking note of its not quite up to Stitch`s standards. Stitch had to battle Cyber`s forces and there were many of his forces being employed throughout many ships, Cyber is an intellectual and he uses a whole variety of weapons he`s the oldest creation from that of Jumba which means he has a lot of knowledge knitted with his personal experience yet Stitch took him on and overcame him. Stitch dodging lasers and advanced forms of fire is consistent so him keeping up with Sonic or at least tracking his movements won`t be a problem. Sonic on the other hand will have to deal with super strength, speed, senses, versatility, durability and etc, Stitch is a walking armory.

For more argument ammunition, Stitch took on Leroy a powerful experiment who like Evile is an evil dual aspect to Stitch, he has all of Stitch`s abilities and is very deadly he shot high levels of plasma orbs, yet Stitch caught it and then redirected them. Leroy fights pretty dirty he was really out to kill Stitch but Stitch did not only survive, he also outdamaged Leroy and caused more destruction another thing to note is that I haven`t even gotten too deep into Stitch`s more matured and grittier forms so Sonic will have his hands full.

@deathhero61 Your move :)

@neongamewave:

As admitted in admission, Sonic is indefinitely faster than Stitch but there is a problem to this whole thing. He may be fast but there is so much you can do with your speed that he won`t be able to do with Stitch, Stitch is an entirely category here he is much stronger, smarter, versatile and uneasy than most if not all of Sonic`s enemies. He`s essentially like an encompassed compilation of all them in one. Sonic has fought nothing like Stitch before while Stitch has fought plenty of special ones that are quite similar and easily compatible-translatable to that of Sonic. Stitch adapted to Sparky`s hypersonic speed movements, he didn`t have to exactly match or surpass him he just needed to outhink him in the long run, while Sonic may be faster physically he is not faster mentally. Stitch is the better thinker, learner, planner as he processes all of these skills with more instrumentation so Sonic can run all he wants, do fancy tricks, taunt, skip around and blur but if he can`t hurt or at least surprise Stitch then he is in for a rude awakening.

Much stronger? I already discussed how stitch's striking strength is not on par with his physical strength. Smarter, i'll admit he is smart but there has been situations where his intelligence has been questionable, but im not going to argue, he is smarter than sonic. Versatile is where i draw the line though. Silver, Shadow, Emerl, and quite a few others.(and your statement would be so off if you are including eggman's robots.) Sonic has dealt with, i can argue that they would wreck stitch. Sonic had to deal with a telekinesis user such as silver, by the way sonic is no idiot at all. He used silver's own ability against him. As soon as silver picked up projectiles to throw at sonic, thats when sonic used homing attack to close in perfectly and hit him. Thats combat strategy right there.

Sonic has fought nothing like stitch huh? I didn't want to say this but stitch is basically a stronger version of knuckles except slower(funny thing is knuckles has far better striking strength than stitch) and Tails. Sonic is faster mentally. Stitch has no combat speed in comparison to sonic like i said, reaction time speed is not the same as combat speed. Best part about it is In Sonic Generations, and in one or two other games before Sonic is shown to transfer his speed throughout various parts of his body (which may explain why he is able to boost in midair from a stationary position, negating certain physics), and on the second act of Planet Wisp, Sonic can even transfer to objects, as he can force a coal-carrying platform to speed up its movement by using his pure speed to make it go faster, and overtake other platforms (as well as crash into and break them). Thinking faster? Ummm sonic was surely thinking faster since he was avoiding slamming into walls at hypersonic speeds. Sonic never really had to formulate a plan because everything was easy for him. Sonic decimates armies, giant robots, magical beings etc. and does it as if it all was easy. That bring me to my next point. Sonic holds back seriously against opponents. And only gets serious if the opponent is a serious threat and/or he has to end the fight(well has to is subjective but yeah.) I didn't think i would come to this but Emerl(who you should know from my current debate with nickzambuto)

Emerl is basically a combat robot that has over 4000 years of combat data stored in him, he can use any ability he sees another use, with each chaos emerald he gets more strong and more intelligent. At the end of the game he already had the combat data of shadow the hedgehog, sonic the hedgehog, amy rose, Miles prower, E102 chaos gamma, Chaos, rouge the bat, knuckles, and cream the rabbit.(i think im missing someone but im not sure) With each ability he copies, he can easily improve it and add it to his arsenal, proof of this is sonic's speed, he improved it to the point where he was faster than sonic.(based on the data he already gathered.) He can copy an ability by either taking the attack or visualizing it. meaning seeing the technique first hand.

Emerl copies every single movement a fighter makes in combat, all the way to combat speed, jumps, blocks, and more. And emerl combines every other combat style he copies and change them into completely new fighting styles, therefore making him completely unpredictable in combat. His immense durability and physical strength would also give him the edge considering he had enough force to create very small human sized tornadoes with his kicks and have a ridiculously strong block as well. In his ultimate state he can heal almost instantly. And sonic at the end of the story said that he needs to stop holding back which implied that despite getting data on his speed, strength, and his skills, sonic was holding back his strength due to emerl being a former friend.(funny thing is shadow fought ultimate emerl to a standstill twice.) This implies that sonic only gets serious every once in a while. And considering earth was going to be blown up in 30 seconds that must have meant that both combatants were in a high speed battle going blow for blow before the countdown finished, and sonic was racing against the clock struggling to finally defeat him. Take into consideration that emerl already had so much combat data on most of sonic's rivals and friends making him heavily versatile. Far more versatile than stitch can hope to be. And just in case you say defeating him in 30 seconds was plot induced stupidity it still wouldn't change the fact how incredibly intelligent and skilled Emerl already was due to taking in all the chaos emeralds and taking in all the combat data of his rivals and friends. Since each chaos emerald makes him smarter, more powerful and more tactical. So emerl was basically a walking tank while stitch was just a pencil that writes down the list. So in the case that stitch really is a threat, he will be getting a run for his money.

Anyway moving on:

I apologize for the quality, but this should do and as explained, Stitch has more going for him than Sonic has going for him even if we are to count his interactions with that of his team.

None of what you have shown me is shockingly impressive to the point where it is suppresive to that of my standing arguments and points. Sonic took on the creature lastly mentioned in an amped form. The rest is the same and the lock on ability is not going to phase Stitch one bit it might cause him to stumble or be forced back but it won`t do much especially since this is the same alien who survives large explosions, being smashed, crushed, smacked around by and with large objects, etc.

You mean in sonic heroes? oh no. Now that i think about it considering the level of teamwork he had with knuckles and tails, i'd still argue that sonic is no dumbass in comparison to stitch.

Amped form? not really, sonic fought chaos the first time in his super sonic form, and god it took forever. But in his base form he destroyed chaos easily. That shows how much sonic improved in skill since he couldn't really do the things he could do in generations in adventure dx. Actually based on showings the homing attack will do allot of damage. That explosion cannot convinced me to have as much force as the homing attack when it was used against eggman. Same as the multiple things that have crushed him. Sonic would quite honestly defeat him the same way he would defeat knuckles, because sonic stated that Knuckles "Has allot of power but is easy to read." Stitch in some of his fights does a lot of headbutting and straight forward attacks. Sonic's moveset in combat is far more complex then stitches.

Despite not having received any known training in martial arts, the many years of battles Sonic has been through has made him a skilled fighter and a profound user of hand-to-hand combat, being able to go up against others with far more battle experience. It has also been noted by people, such as Blaze and Shadow, that Sonic's combat skills are always improving, most noticeably being his victory over the Egg Emperor and Perfect Chaos in the different versions of Sonic Generations, where both opponents previously required additional support and power for Sonic to defeat, but could this time defeat on his own.

And he has allot more techniques than i'm letting on, but im saving those for later.

Plus can i ask you a question? Can stitch tank the deadly spindash? The spindash slices through steel robots like butter so i need to know.(cutting durability and blunt durability are actually quite different. )

1.There are so many ways in which I can counter, debunk and educate this point but I`ll start at the basics. In this instance during a crossover special in which he took on Jake Long from American Dragon he did not only demonstrate levels of notable striking strength but unlike Superman he utilized and exploited it in a way that compliments his combat construction he threw Jake, parried with him and even grappled onto him also Jake is a skilled fighter with a good deal of experience so Stitch being able to see through his movements is pretty impressive. 2.Even if Sonic was somehow magically more superior than Stitch when it came to striking strength it wouldn`t actually matter considering Stitch has and will use that form of strength to deal damage he tears things apart, throws things, and he reinforces with resistance. What`s stopping Stitch from this tearing apart the ground or just throwing large trees and covering himself with a conditioned form of conscious camouflage? He could easily manage all this with his super computer based mind unlike Sonic who resorts to playfulness and one dimensional combat, Stitch actually knows how to fight and he`s fought skilled beings such as Leroy, Gantu, Jumba and etc. 3.Sonic targeting and locking onto his opponent is slick as well as cool visually but viably its lacking, Stitch in another aspect of truth is far more durable and pain tolerant, things that normally happen to Stitch on a regular basis would kill or disable Sonic. Sonic isn`t more skilled or combat savy, Stitch`s mind is programmed to adapt but it was also pre-wired to fight and learn which Stitch has done he has learned many styles as well as techniques during the course of his journeys even if Sonic was to be more skilled it doesn`t take away the fact that Stitch is the better strategist and orchestrator. Sonic doesn`t even possess the raw strength output to damage Stitch let alone put him down for a lasting victory so it doesn`t matter. Stitch even exuded the meaning and means of showcasing striking power when he used heat substances to propel himself and destroy Gantu`s ship which is far more durable, dangerous and expertly designed than Eggman`s hovering vehicle. Eggman is incompetent as well as he offers too many openings for Sonic to use against him so the credibility when it comes to the enemies faced comes into question as it does inspection.

1. First off even if that crossover is canon, throwing jake is miles below throwing eggman in such a gigantic robotic suit. Second of all the way he handled jake wasn't very impressive in my opinion.(the fact that jake long of all people was getting pressured by coconut throws and slow tackles makes me take the fight less seriously since its a crossover since i seen amazing feats from both combatants and i would expect allot more in their fight.) And in terms of skill again i can argue that sonic is more skilled as well.

2. Sonic would counter the throws by either dodging them effortlessly while closing in for the kill, or just use the homing attack to knock them back at stitch. As viably lacking as it supposedly is, it works very well on opponents in combat and is a very useful tool for blitzing an opponent in mid-air combat. Or in general. And its very useful on big opponents because of attacking weak points. Also camoflauge won't work, In Sonic and the Secret Rings, during Dinosaur Jungle, Sonic mentions that his quills can sense danger, right before being attacked by a dinosaur.

One dimensional combat? could you elaborate? because if i recall correctly sonic has so many variations he created with his speed its not even funny anymore.

Leroy is the same as stitch but designed to have some advantages over stitch basically but acceptable but gantu? Please. Gantu was casually outsmarted on several occasions by not only stitch but other characters in the series. And he is easily outmatched, the only thing gantu ever had going for him was his size. Which was the main reason why he was a threat in the series besides his gun in my honest opinion. And may i ask how jumba is skilled at all? Plus gantu and jumba and leroy cannot honestly compare to shadow, rogue, and emerl, and people of the nortunus clan(or however the name of the clan went.) who were all trained martial artist very unlike stitch. And a few others.

3.Kill or disable sonic? Oh no no no good sir. Sonic has survived falls from space, has tanked missiles, lasers, punches from freaking knuckles, spindash from shadow(which can cut through steel like previously mentioned) explosions, etc. It is also worth noting that, for nearly all the battles Sonic has endured, he has never been crippled, nor has he displayed any serious injuries. By the way, remember when i showed you the lost worlds final boss? Remember when sonic launched the crap out of eggman? According to physics, "Every action has an equal or opposite reaction" So the fact that sonic slams through those robots without any injury shows that sonic is pretty durable himself. Probably not as much as stitch due to nature of his body.

Here is another example of Stitch being able to adapt even when it comes to speed and movement. Experiment 323 is a creature with the ability to make individuals fall in love with a single peck this creature is noted by Lilo and others as being fast or extremely difficult to capture while not Sonic fast the main important point is that Stitch with his thinking ended up catching this experiment who was out of his reach initially he did not take that long to adapt or process information either.

Himself along with others were struggling to catch 323 if you look closely. Sonic is so much faster its not even fair. Plus most of the time 323 was off guard so that makes it even worse that stitch struggled to catch him, i think you need to see another showcases of sonic's movement, because a bird that can fly at best probably 10-20 maybe even 30 or 40 miles per hour and a living being that can operate, and move at hypersonic speeds(mach 5 to mach 10) are quite different.

Unlike 323, sonic can not only stop on a dime, but can easily change direction with no problems at all.

Experiment 525 whose name is the Deforestator has the ability to increase and accelerate with momentum due to the unleashed utilization of his arms in which he builds up drive by twirling as well as whirling his two trusted arms with the friction created he can travel a great distance and he was so fast that Stitch as well as many others couldn`t catch him but eventually Stitch adapted in which he was able to catch and intercede him in direct combat confrontation. Sonic will be caught eventually as well and I am certain of this since Sonic has consistently as well as consciously attributed the following attributed throughout all of his appearances he is playful, a taunter, naive, caught up in his own running speed and although he does value what is at stake he still finds the time to instigating ill feelings. This will occur since Stitch has an unquenchable curiosity when it comes to displaying destruction his way and it doesn`t help when Sonic is essentially a Barry Allen and Spider-Man in one. Stitch is very intolerable of certain things and Sonic will make those things present whether he knows it or not. The fact that Stitch can not only defeat and convince Experiement 525 to change his ways but also catch him off guard as well as stop him in his tracks when he is propelling his gauge in speed then I won`t have any doubt that he can adapt to Sonic`s more defined and dazzling speed thanks to his super computer centric circuited mainframe of a mind. Stitch has demonstrated far more educated, developed and delicately designed skill or procedure in battle than Sonic has thus far also what makes it worse is Stitch`s enemies are actually more useful as they are not too much filler-fodder.

Deforestator wasn't that fast in the first place and i can easily assume that even peak humans would be able to do what stitch did if they had his strength. Sonic is playful i won't deny that, but the scenario suggested that sonic is taking stitch seriously and either way if sonic finds him a serious threat he will try to end the fight quickly. Which like you said he is barry allen and spiderman in one, making it so much possible to just dance around his opponent stitch while simultaneously throwing attacks. You are overestimating sonic's sarcastic and playful personality. Because sonic usually plays around when his opponent is inferior. Beating eggman according to sonic has always been a piece of cake, he treats all his enemies or rivals differently, when faced against shadow, its always some outright deathmatch of some form. When he is fighting knuckles, he is always toying with him since similarly with stitch, he can be angered and his attacks are simple and slow(in comparison to sonic) which is not exactly the best combo. And Sonic can do what Deforestator can do but far better. And i mean far better. When he is fighting eggman he only takes him seriously due to the sole fact that he is a genius and he could take over the world if sonic wasn't there to stop him. Besides that taking out the robots directly have never been a problem. Like usual he found it easy.

Filler fodder? tell that to eggman's battleships filled with robots specifically designed for combat.

The fact that he was rushing through there and wrecking everything and managing to survive is quite the feat.

To add to the fact that the enemies that Stitch deals with are far more impressively indefinite of imposing danger is Evile an evil experiment, Experiment 627 who was pretty much based on the conceptualization of Stitch an evil counterpart. Now this creature is a disastrous little demon as I would describe him, probably more so than even Leroy he not only has Stitch`s native and unique abilities but he packs the power and punch of many more experiments he has many ideal abilities yet Stitch in the end was able to overcome him this guy would ruin Shadow the Hedgehog`s day ( my favorite Sonic character) and he certainly would ruin Sonic`s day. Evile has the following abilities hes not to be taken lightly or slightly he is powerful and this creature was matched by Stitch regardless of how overpowered he was and if you look at the entirety of the video you can notice Evile throwing a giant house on Stitch which did nothing. Stitch threw a big obstacle himself these are the kind of guys that Stitch battles all the time and this is just the tip of the iceberg. There are showings from the anime series Stitch! but its pretty much the same thing as the canon its compatible and consistent even in that interpretation everything is in equal truth it just showed how powerful Evile truly was. Sonic can keep trying to blitz or prove himself the better runner for track and field but what good would that do him when he cannot phase nor faze Stitch? He doesn`t have the necessary strength even experiments as powerful as this couldn`t bring Stitch down so what does Sonic have on Stitch at the end of the day other than speed and jokes? Stitch has on many occasions taken on and outperformed fast moving creatures even creatures that were offensively concrete in how they channeled their speed/reflex/reactions/balance. Sonic is going down, the characters that Sonic managed to blitz or alarm are not on the same level as Stitch and their not as unpredictable either. In the following I will post an official listing for Evile`s abilities and Stitch had to deal with all of it which includes laser blasts, legit laser blasts. Lasers are layered and lauded as being light speed, in actual reality they quite are. Stitch dodged laser beams from Evile and he found ways in keeping them off his back so that`s an impressive reflex as well as calculative feat as well. Even during the courses of the video, Stitch dodges lightning, and even fire when trapped by Evile`s needles his reflexes and senses are really top notch he will surprise Sonic. Sonic won`t surprise Stitch however, so the element of surprise is still in Stitch`s favor.

So stitch is far more of a threat than demi-gods, robots that can do basically anything you showed me for stitch, and hedgehogs with immense energy manipulation and martial arts skill and military training? So stitch is a bigger threat than eggman's entire fleets that sonic has took down? And please don't tell me you are saying that leroy would beat shadow, because i don't mind doing a debate on that either lol. Dodging lasers has been done by virtually everyone in fiction, even after they are fired, not all lasers can be considered light speed in the first place. Some can be concussive force, which at best is low hypersonic. So i consider it an outlier. Same can easily go for lightning since lightning in several forms of fiction have been either slow or fast for some odd reason, like the lasers even street levelers have dodged them but the difference is that lightning is even more unquantifiable. I said it several times anyway its not the same as combat speed. The characters that sonic has blitzed? Shadow, Silver, Emerl, and quite a few others. And im not sure if you know this but tanking the house being thrown at him would be more impressive if it was thrown across the ground not thrown on top of him. Here is something from the wiki which is actually quite accurate "Sonic has exhibited astounding feats of kineticism, precision and has the reaction time to match. He possesses great acrobatic skills and agility, alongside astonishing reflexes, making him able to avoid sizably voluminous and minuscule obstacles with precise jumps and delicate movements despite the speed they are approaching at." Stitch needs to have the combat speed to keep up, stitch may adapt in reactions all he wants, but that wouldn't change his muscle control speed in at all. Oh and since its perfectly fine to use other media as long as its consistent and compatible here is some showings from other media:

watch till 3:33.

There lasers. Not a big deal, everyone dodges them.

Sonic effortlessly destroys a robot with his spindash the same robot who was bullet proof, flame resistent and tanked amy's hammer strikes, amy is powerful enough to create shockwaves with her swings so thats a feat.

Although this is actually legit canon i wanted to show this for the heck of it.

This directs me to my next and final point about Stitch`s ranked speed, now in terms of the whole Sparky thing you are actually wrong on all accounts. Stitch didn`t only keep up with Sparky or interpret his movements but you missed the most important point is he adapted, learned and mastered all in a simultaneous fashion during the entire situation. Sparky`s heightened developmental speed was countered and corrected by Stitch in the end he learned Sparky`s tricks and he caught onto him this will occur with Sonic. Sparky isn`t the only one to be a fast challenger there is an experiment by the name of Zap who is an embodied laser, lasers are lightspeed and they travel as light, Zap could even bounce off walls and react instantly yet Stitch managed to contain him. Stitch reacted to Sparky and he used muscle movement to propel, redirect and process the necessary performance to have Sparky against the wall also what`s stopping Stitch from creating a gadget to deal with Sonic`s speed a lot of what Stitch has dealt with required him in some way to create a nullifying device regardless of his limited resource that`s another thing, Stitch is smarter he will find a way to discharge Sonic`s charged outbursts. I have so much to say but this is what is needed.

Dude no he didn't not at all.

See that all he was doing was chasing after him and not really do that much of a good job in the first place. And i took a good look at zap in action at best he is supersonic his movement is nowhere near that of light speed, it was stated he was MEANT to be designed to be a laser, but that doesn't mean he actually is. And besides if stitch supposedly had light speed or lightning level combat speed his feats would be so inconsistent its not even funny.

Stitch even took on Cyber and during the courses of the video you can see Stitch dodge laser fire which is more impressive and more notable then avoiding falling debris. Although what Sonic had displayed is worth taking note of its not quite up to Stitch`s standards. Stitch had to battle Cyber`s forces and there were many of his forces being employed throughout many ships, Cyber is an intellectual and he uses a whole variety of weapons he`s the oldest creation from that of Jumba which means he has a lot of knowledge knitted with his personal experience yet Stitch took him on and overcame him. Stitch dodging lasers and advanced forms of fire is consistent so him keeping up with Sonic or at least tracking his movements won`t be a problem. Sonic on the other hand will have to deal with super strength, speed, senses, versatility, durability and etc, Stitch is a walking armory.

Moving around at hypersonic speeds towards an object is no different from reacting to an hypersonic object. There is nothing there i haven't seen sonic doing.

For more argument ammunition, Stitch took on Leroy a powerful experiment who like Evile is an evil dual aspect to Stitch, he has all of Stitch`s abilities and is very deadly he shot high levels of plasma orbs, yet Stitch caught it and then redirected them. Leroy fights pretty dirty he was really out to kill Stitch but Stitch did not only survive, he also outdamaged Leroy and caused more destruction another thing to note is that I haven`t even gotten too deep into Stitch`s more matured and grittier forms so Sonic will have his hands full.

Well sonic fought shadow and in my honest opinion that is far more impressive. But i'll get to that and sonic's moveset in my next post.

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He`s not only stronger but that in and out of itself proves so sufficiently why he would be more versatile in that sole singular advantage he can use that primary power in so many ways more than one that Sonic can`t and it will be severe for Sonic because he can`t really harm or hope to really cause any lasting damage on Stitch directly no matter how much speed he managed to super-size himself with. I am aware of what you are trying to convey but you are heavily missing the point once again, he doesn`t need to have striking power, lifting strength is enough considering he will put it to use far better than that of Sonic or Superman going back to my original odyssey of observation. Stitch can counter Sonic with his superior strength, hold him in place, lift, tear, remake the forest in a rationalized rampage to get to Sonic and why does it matter when Sonic`s strength isn`t even special or spaced out on a high level? What damage can he hope to do to Stitch when many lethal things barely leave a mark? There`s just no comparison, Stitch has more of the likely hood of coldly subduing Sonic than Sonic subduing Stitch and Stitch is not perfect he may be clumsy during some courses of battle but he is far more ahead of the game than Sonic is, also he applies his abilities on a more rich scale the versatility and diversity is there to be witnessed unlike Sonic. Lol, all of the characters you mentioned who are natives of the Sonic universe and experience although awesome :) They are nothing special compared to Stitch, Emerl is an exception but Stitch found that enemy type in the form of Cyber also the funny thing is I kind of knew you were going to factor him in someway or somewhere, one way or the other. Eggman is not even worth mentioning, he`s like Team Rocket he`s there to show why the villain is always the least expected the one behind the curtains (who Sonic reveals and battles later which furthers my analysis). What about Gantu, Hamsterviel and Cyber`s reinforcements? They are far more deadly and combative their actually quite the manifestation of military alignment especially as shown with Cyber and his armies their on another level what does Sonic have that Stitch hasn`t seen, fought or adapted to before? You can`t say the same for Sonic, his enemies may exude an exclusive gift but their not as well put together as Stitch is, he`s another type of animal altogether and you`re talking to a Sonic expert whose read the comics as well as delved into the lore. Silver is awesome and while he is a competent combatant it doesn`t change my original point about Sonic, Stitch has dealt with far, far, far worse and I can`t emphasize that enough he has dealt with telekinesis, time/space manipulation, pyrokinesis, darkness manipulation, and so much more these types as well as kinds of personality-specialties are a lot more hardcore. That`s strategy but level 1 or level 10? Stitch has built gadgets from scratch and processed multiple ways of containing experiments who excelled beyond him and he doesn`t in a lot of those instances have a great deal of prior knowledge it`s on the fly.

Alright thats an interesting theory and all but the thing is that i haven't shown you all the things sonic can do with his powers or even mentioned them. Stitch doesn't use his powers in any other way but smash stuff. Stitch uses his intelligence to do things differently. Look man even stitch has a limit, the when stitch had a house thrown on him im pretty sure he took damage, from what i remember, plus sonic launching eggman, and sonic smashing through those three robots was all easily house level destruction. And let me humor you for a second, lets say that sonic cannot put stitch down with a good amount of blows like you claim. Stitch will never tag sonic in the first place, it doesn't matter how much one adapts, it won't mean that their physical abilities change either and if it does in the lilo and stitch universe the anime, and the diseny tv show would both have a store filled with inconsistent feats. by your logic that would mean that stitch can take down true powerhouses like for reference Monkey D. Luffy from One Piece the anime or Wonderwoman from the DC universe. Or maybe even freaking SUPERMAN. Thats basically what your logic in this debate has been telling me. Changing the environment won't do a thing to sonic. Sonic can adapt to any environment and virtually any situation.

Notice how in the beginning like i previously said he found using a sword easy and boring. And even when he fought the dragon he was still talking s**t.

Also take note of the several times he used his physical strength with the sword to cut through stone, steel, hordes of monsters, Giant boulders the size of small houses, and etc. and etc. and etc.

Take note of the different enemies he is fighting.

Take note how he is using his skill with the sword(which not long ago he said swordsmanship was easy) To take down knights of the round table. Who were apparently the most skilled warriors of the land. And king Arthur himself. ALL WITH NO HELP EXCEPT THE DAMN SWORD. Merlina was giving help on where to go next which is a given since he cannot save the world if he doesn't know where in the world does it need saving.

Rich diversity and versatility? you mean wreck stuff? Then wreck more stuff after figuring out that a block goes in the a space? Lol im kidding, i know stitch is not dumb but he is ridiculously clumsy. And sonic will use that against him along with his anger(which stitch has allot more than knuckles probably.)

Anyway you been asking for it. Here are some of the things good old sonic can do.

First up is the blue tornado:

This technique can be used directly to sweep enemies off their feet easily, and considering most of eggman's robots weigh probably weigh more than 300 pounds this is amazing actually, so stitch will be dragged in easily.

Considering how sonic has the combat speed and speed in general to do so he can probably do this:

Sonic has also done this with his arms IIRC

Also in terms of combat speed(yes im bringing it up again)

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He can also do this:

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Basically bury stitch's grave early.

The bounce attack:

It can penetrate defenses by doing extra damage with each bounce.

This is applicable since he has a move like this in sonic 3, and sonic advance and sonic generations.

Sonic wind:

This can be used from a distance, this shows that he has limited wind control.

And sonic can create after images to confuse stitch(oh sure stitch is going to adapt. is what you are going to say but how does he adapt to after images?)

And the light speed attack.

Sonic charges up energy and uses that energy to attack enemies at the speed of light for a very short period of time. But considering how the impacts at the speed of light are pretty damn powerful a few seconds would be plenty to put down stitch.

And here is a good example of the light speed attack:

This movie is full of combat feats for sonic that are compatible for the blue rodent.

Not true and I still stand by that fact. Knuckles the Wolverine of Sonic is strong, is a heavy-hitter and headstrong but Stitch is more than just stronger he`s smarter, faster, more agile and etc. Stitch has dodges laser fire as well as lightning that you keep overlooking the contexts of my arguments. Not even close, Stitch`s mind is literally a super computer and another thing is that the actions shown from both prove this as being undeniably true. Stitch has shown much more detailed, sophisticated and authentic ways in taking down enemies that are supposed to be levels above him, Sonic is crafty and slick but he can only go so far his feats don`t compile with that characterization. Stitch has created amazing strategies on the fly and he`s more cunning he`s much more willing to go the extra mile or edge, I wouldn`t be surprised if he tried lethal tactics on Sonic, tactics that Sonic wouldn`t even expect. Characters who are not even as fast as Sonic which includes his friends have challenged or caught him off guard and you have no proof of that. I have seen all of your argument and points, while I understand it I don`t agree with what is being ushered. Sonic has only shown swift movements or sharp kicks and offenses but Stitch is the better battler he can grapple, counter, react, redirect, what has Sonic done that Stitch hasn`t done already? Like Stitch hasn`t rebounded off of walls when trapped and being tested for his life? Evile fired lasers, lightning, fire pulses and more in one single moment when Stitch was pinned to the wall yet Stitch managed to outright outpace the assaults also I have already shown you him dodging legit laser fire from multiple angles and him catching high powered energy rays so Sonic won`t be a problem especially since Stitch can also adapt. Stitch decimates armies, warfare ships, superhuman/supernatural/paranormal/abnormal species, outsmarts geniuses (credible ones not ones like Eggman and Plankton), magical intellectuals, massive mechazoids, huge ships that travel throughout space and are extremely durable also Stitch does these things without even having to utilize two extra arms or descend into his more grizzly gritty form and even when Stitch holds back as you claim Sonic does, Stitch has more damage done and he`s more forward with how he takes of care things, I am very aware of Earl. I was already expecting him by the beginning of this match.

When he fought Evile Stitch does the following

12:30 - 12:50 - Stitch slams Evile into the castle wall causing the ENTIRE castle to shake and feel the impact that`s how strong Stitch is also he didn`t have to increase an act of striking power with acceleration. Stitch also is forced back by Evile`s fist which can do heavy damage he bounces back in forth sporadically, however regardless when trapped by Evile`s spikes he is still was able to dodge and outrace Evile`s fast incoming flames.

13:45 - 13:50 - Stitch outraces Evile`s lightning blasts and lightning is clocked as being hypersonic in nature and Stitch maneuvered around multiple of them even from different angles.

Knuckles is still a trained fighter so not that it matters. Like i said if stitch of all people was light speed or lightning speed, his feats would be heavily inconsistent, stitch being as fast as lightning is not consistent at all and lightning being shot out of someone's hand is not quantifiable in comparison to lightning coming from the sky. Like i said by your logic he can adapt to any opponent such as powerhouses that are too much for him such as wonderwoman or flash. Characters like whom may i ask? Knux in terms of speed is low supersonic. Silver is probably as fast as blaze via telekinesis. Blaze was not that far from sonic in terms of speed. Shadow is his equal, Emerl in his ultimate state was moving several times the speed of sound, etc. So may i ask again? who was so much slower than him and caught him off guard? Eggman is a genius and has an IQ of 300. His plans were on such a higher scale than anything gantu(who's feats and resources you showed from the anime are not compatible with his character and role in the original series.) has done. His inventions are far better than stitches, and he is far smarter than stitch. You are seriously downplaying the entire sonic universe. And thats something i don't agree with.

First of all the entire castle wasn't shaken that room was. Plus knuckles can cause small tremors with his punches. And can punch so hard that he can create explosions. Your point?

I told you already this is not compatible or consistent. Stitch was tagged by slower enemies, and had trouble with catching 323. So i have no reason to believe he can outrace lightning. And for all i know the lightning could have been shot right after stitch landed on the pillar which would be reaction speed and not movement speed.

Emerl while deadly and godlike to a degree is no different to that of Cyber, Evile or Leroy these creatures had the same kind of formula emulated around and in them especially Cyber who has existed for a long time, is extremely intelligent, contains combat data, analyzes information and stores it for himself. Also I don`t see how it really matters when it comes to mentioning him as if an artifact has been found or Exodia is being played all cards at once since Sonic if I`m not mistaken had help and plot protection in his battle against Emerl also Stitch wouldn`t have problems in taking on Emerl either the thing is Stitch can and has adapted also he`s even willing to kill which Sonic wouldn`t do, Stitch will give it his all.

Actually do you have any proof whatsoever that cyper was the same? Plus Emerl not only copied techniques but can develop a legit counter to techniques that he has seen. He can apply everything he learns and apply it to a completely new fighting style, no matter how much stitch would "adapt" emerl can just copy data on each time stitch adapts.(since your theory is basically that stitch can apparently physically change when he adapts.) Actually emerl fought sonic one on one. So sonic had no help whatsoever.

As I am aware that is impressive but Stitch can and has adapted to foreign forms of fighting also Cyber was pretty similar so it isn`t so out of reach when it comes to reason. Also Sonic is not Emerl so regardless of how much credit Emerl gets he has no bearing in this match-up all of the top-tier baddies that Stitch took on he had to essentially do it alone with some minor and inferred assistance from Lilo but he had to risk his life more than anybody else, Sonic receives more help, intel, resources and etc. Stitch just uses what he has to offer and he comes out of it unscathed most of the time also Emerl replicating all of those abilities while resourceful doesn`t exactly apply itself to Sonic being able to win the variables need to be verified as much as the conditions need to be confirmed. Stitch is an completely new enemy, Sonic will underestimate him it is in character and during the battle with Emerl, Sonic in shapes and forms received considerable assistance it wasn`t just so straightforward as you are describing it to be and Stitch won`t hold back even if Sonic holds back it wouldn`t matter because he can`t actually hurt Stitch. Stitch is too durable and pain tolerant, also I would like to see Emerl with all of his data master and muster up an original device like Stitch has done on the fly during many of his appearances and encounters. Stitch has already fought an Emerl type character in the form of Cyber and he came out fine the fact that Stitch can just adapt naturally without no need for artificial accumulation is much more impressive and it doesn`t matter how many abilities Emerl had its if he knew how to use those abilities to their maximum potential many characters similar to Emerl have that same kind of technique and unique ability yet they do not use those abilities to their true and destined potential, Stitch actually uses all of his abilities to the efficiency in which they should be exploited and there are far more elements to Stitch`s profile of power that I haven`t even tapped into. Also in a way its still PIS considering how powerful Emerl was supposed to be not confirmed to be, that is a distinct difference and did Sonic demonstrate any true strength, skill or genius in that instance? I kind of doubt it, Stitch showcases those things on the regular against lower tiers of enemies so imagine what Sonic will have to deal with. Evile was created for the sole purpose of defeating Stitch also as created by Jumba from scratch and he was extremely versatile he had the abilities/characteristics of many experiments and even he couldn`t beat Stitch.

You are overestimating stitch and you're applying a no limit fallacy. Sonic defeated emerl so........ Help? the only help i can recall sonic receiving in combat was in sonic heroes, and in situations where the final boss had to be defeated. Stitch gets far more intel than sonic ever does in my opinion, quite honestly. Jumba is always there telling him what the experiments powers are, even on the sidelines sometimes. Sonic in terms of intel usually is told the situation of what is going on during a saga, not who the opponent is and all his/her powers. What considerable assistance may i ask? Please tell me? he has sparred with emerl several times, while emerl was collectively getting stronger, sonic knew that. That is completely true. And Proof that cyber is anything like emerl? Like i said before you are applying a no limit fallacy. By your logic the blue monster can take on anyone.

Yep one of my favorites :) He`s not dumb or a slouch but in comparison to Stitch he would stick out like a sore thump considering the levels and enemy number types in which Stitch had to go up against in regards to genius intellect beings the list goes on and on you can`t say the same for Sonic you only can go so far with Eggman, Emerl and Shadow wouldn`t really count considering the consistently of how the characters compare to each other especially since a good deal of times Sonic has a form of help or assurance. Stitch is not only a genius but he has battled genius who could legitimately match and threaten him, world ending geniuses or galaxy ending geniuses such as Leroy, Evile, Cyber, Hamsterviel and etc. Sonic has good teamwork coordination but Stitch has demonstrated this on a far larger scale with experiments foreign to him when going up against Leroy.

Same here :D Shadow still was a genetically engineered skilled combatant, who eventually took military training and fought off a giant alien invasion(with minor assistance from sonic and co.) And fought emerl to a standstill twice. And i can say the same for stitch in terms of assistance and help or assurance. So evile was a world ending genius? Interesting, tell me more. Actually stitch knew a majority of those experiments, and since they were so skilled working together according to you may i ask for a clip of that?

Since dodging lasers is such a big deal:

watch till 15:18

More physical showings. watch till 3:58 then skip to 12:13 and watch till 12:27. Then skip to 14:40 and watch till 16:52. He was getting beat down by a chaos emerald empowered robot that was far bigger than a house. Weight is a defining factor in punching power, obviously as you move up in weight classes the punches are going to get harder. This is primarily due to the size of the skeletal frame increasing. Now we have a giant steel robot punching and kicking and wrestling around sonic. The average house(made of wood by the way) can weigh up to 35 to 45 tons. Based on the house you showed me im going to guess maybe 50-60 tons. The robot in this episode very likely far exceeds that. Probably a good 100-200 tons if not far more. Im not saying sonic has more durability, this is just for reference. And this is consistent since sonic have fought tougher and more durable robots of similar size.

Oh by the way since lasers and lightning are such a big deal again here is more showcases:

Watch till 4:45 just for the hell of it.

More showcases of brute force:

Watch till 16:09 yeah he had assistance but it was minor, just focus on the fact that he knocked down that huge golem.

You know you just contradicted yourself and confirmed me in the process? That`s the point Sonic took him on in a specific state not on sheer willpower or power and that form is not even present in this match so it doesn`t even matter its a gameplay upgrade that is related to the purpose of the plot being pushed forward. Stitch would of done the same and Chaos while strong is not different from Evile who has done more in my personal opinion, the same Eggman with unimpressive plans and stratgeies, the same Eggman with vehicles that crash rapidly and has low level robots working for him the same Eggman that compromises? Stitch survived an explosion that destroyed an entire house, and he had a house thrown on him with no marks left in his wake. Also that`s speculation on your part those other targets are not as durable as Stitch and it would only irritate him I wouldn`t be surprised if Stitch caught Sonic either in the middle of that transition also Stitch is much smarter than that he could hide, create barriers or just the use environment to his advantage without having to be a environmentalist and that statement although defined is quite dead because what kind of power? It`s not talking about durability, pain tolerance or willpower is it? In some cases but even then he has a plan in the making and it`s all for a bigger cause to contain an experiment, lure it somewhere with overwhelming force and Sonic is very simple he`s kick, jab and then blitz, Stitch creates gadgets, hide, scheme and Jumba knows best considering he made Stitch also he is a well known genius intellect who describes Stitch as being not only a computerized gifted mind but cunning and tricky also Stitch will see through Sonic`s light attacks.

Actually i clearly said that the first time he took him on in his super form, and the second time he beat him in his base form. Never said anything about his superform being in the battle whatsoever. You are heavily downplaying eggman. He builds most of his robots specifically to counter sonic. If he were to encounter stitch he would have been building robots on par with evile or leroy. Thats why he made Metal sonic. Specifically to counter sonic. The only reason why you are downplaying egghead so much is because of how easily sonic dispatches him. Stitch is not going to have time to build gadgets, he usually uses prep and he doesn't have prep here. And humor me what gadgets has HE built? Like i said sonic adapts to virtually any situation quickly, but not physically like stitch supposedly according to you does. Mentally. Thats how he adapts to such environments in the world of King arthur and in the world of sonic and the secret of the rings. And how he adapts to all the dangerous situations in the stages that he runs through, this is especially evident in the 3D games. You keep saying light attacks but again i shown striking feats that are more than enough to harm stitch. Stitch's durability in my opinion is low, i feel that its his pain tolerance that is very high.

10:18 - 10:26 - Stitch is under attack by Cyber`s ship and his gets blasted but later his ship crashes into Cyber`s the result of the explosion in the aftermath shows that nothing happened to Stitch regardless of how hard they had collided and Stitch was in the middle of it also he can survive of the vacuum of space easily.

12:45 - 12:50 - Stitch dodges and is able to move faster than multiple fired lasers he doesn`t even need Sonic`s kind of speed to do so.

2nd video

0:00 - 0:30 - Stitch dodges more laser and plasma fire, then he picks up a huge boulder in which he easily throws it onto Cyber`s henchmen he also later eats and catches multiple fired rocks as he turns them into piercing pellets in which he redirects them destroying more defenses and coming into contact with Cyber.

0:35 - 4:55 - Stitch counters back on Cyber with quick and sharp thinking having him fooled as he fires a energy net to restrain him. Stitch with his genius and intellect later saves multiple worlds by having the bomb Cyber plotted redirected and Stitch even manged to survive or tolerate the amazing explosion that lighted up the entire galaxy, everyone thought Stitch died as well when did Sonic ever demonstrate something impressive on this kind of scale?

Pretty sure sonic can do this.

Those are not lasers those are guns. Even the sounds are different, plus thats no different from a regular human running away from helicopter fire.

2nd video:

As for the lasers look above, as for taking out the robots, thats nothing i cant see sonic not being able to do.

Sooooo tanked a supernova? yeah because that is sooo consistent and compatible within everything you showed me oh oh and i guess that means in striking strength that stitch and leroy can bust galaxies since no one else except leroy and basically all the other experiments cannot hurt him right?. And that totally wasn't PIS right? Alright i'll play your game.

Tanked a black hole.

Self Explantory:

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Sooooo consistent and compatible

So does Stitch, the thing is Stitch can develop and diverse his style of play as well as fighting due to his much more advanced mind also we have to remember that Stitch is also more lethal so he can exploit weaknesses and openings in a more grander way than Sonic can.

Not really stitch has never dealt with robots such as eggman's.

The crossover is canon and it follows in line with the continuity of the Lilo and Stitch series as the other crossovers do. Your missing the point if you are to make that comparison, Stitch analyzed Jake and made use of his strength without having to overdo it also Stitch has tosses as well as broken through Gantu`s ships which are far larger, durable and more complicated than Eggman`s entire equipment also Stitch has even broken through Cyber`s ships which are much larger than Gantu`s already massive ships and he`s tossed them around without having to break a sweat I only brought up Jake to reemphasize my point about Stitch`s track record when it came to fighting certain tiers with skills. You haven`t proven so, Sonic hasn`t actually shown skill and Stitch putting his powers to far greater use is already classified as being more capturing and compelling in showcasing the true nature of skill or refinement also Stitch can easily counter Sonic thanks to his far superior mind.

He analyzed Jake? umm no. Stitch obviously just wanted to kick his ass..... you are really overestimating his intelligence. Entire equipment? Sure.....

Stitch won`t let that happen, Sonic`s speed won`t save him forever and Stitch`s strength will be overwhelming especially since he`s willing to go the extra mile when educating his enemy with his edgy ideals and strategies also Stitch can easily dodge or tank them far better than Sonic could. If Sonic gets wailed on or sent flying by the force in which Stitch is throwing the objects then he will be weakened and left in the dust for a good while it works on weak opponents and small types of drones also Sonic uses it for easy destructibility purposes against small walls and etc, I don`t see how that will do anything to Stitch who has tanked far worse without even a scrape. He can sense danger but it doesn`t mean he can detect danger or the location of it, it`s not a Spider Sense or Ghost Breath and Stitch will learn to adapt to Sonic`s uniqueness whose said he has to jump out and just brawl it out with Sonic when he can just easily gain level in ascension or build gadgets?

What's to stop sonic from putting him in a trence before he can react and bury him in his own grave? Weak opponents, oh okay so i guess launching over hundred ton if not thousand ton robots, Shadow the Hedgehog, Silver the Hedgehog, Blaze the Cat etc. are all super weak. Yup that makes perfect sense. Ascension? you mean by climbing trees? How will that play a factor at all, throwing coconuts? sonic would just step to the side casually without even using his speed to dodge them, throw trees? dodge or launch them back at him. Destroy the terrain and somehow use it against sonic? won't work, sonic has adapted to all kinds of areas and environments with his speed. A little messed up terrain won't screw him over especially considering he runs through loops, and runs up and down hills, and can run on ice without slipping in the slightest.

And that is the truth about it like Evile in a sense he was crafted to be more powerful and dangerous than Stitch yet Stitch defeated him and even caught him off guard as well as balance so its very acceptable as well as accurate. Gantu may not seem like much but he`s much more dangerous and a larger threat than that of Eggman who can barely even cause Sonic and friends trouble unless the Chaos Emeralds are involved or a circumstance meets its compromising, not exactly and you are misinformed. Stitch played around with that distinction he tossed Gantu like nothing and used his size against him in their fights and he had the backup to boast unlike Eggman who had his humanized pods that were barely exciting or gave you the impression that they were worth something and Jumba is pretty skilled in the sense of knowledge, he knows, gadgets, weapons, can create them and that is a known skill also he has shown this in the flow of combat another thing is Stitch outperformed them with limited knowledge, Leroy and Evile are as skilled as Shadow, Rogue and you haven`t proven so in regards to your assumed argument, Stitch and the others are created for one of those purposes they adapt and learn very quickly so it doesn`t actually matter especially since we rarely see Sonic applying these so called skills and dimensions of techniques very efficiently or in a manner that is astounding. The feats aren`t there so how can you speak for them when they cannot speak for themselves? All your showing me is Sonic jumping, accelerating, kicking, punching, launching and throwing in a few nice moves here and there where is the style, the stance, the fluid and balanced movements? Stitch counters, parries, tosses, grapples, slams, dodges and dictates the next move also he`s more aware of his surroundings and he does more than just repetitively kick or punch.

That happens in all forms of fiction, metal sonic was made to be superior to sonic in every way shape and form. Classic sonic ended up taking him down. Twice.

So you are saying that gantu an incompetent "soldier" who can get outsmarted by virtually anyone in the lilo and stitch series, is far above a man who builds fleets and death machines as a hobby? Okay moving on.

Sonic outperformed metal sonic with no knowledge, when he first fought knuckles he outperformed him with no knowledge, when sonic first fights each and every single one of eggman's robots he fights them with NO KNOWLEDGE. Your point?

Shadow fights off hordes of aliens, gun soldiers, and fights evenly against sonic(he is arguably more powerful than sonic.) Rouge is well...... meh. She is quite skilled herself, and she takes some form of kickboxing and military training. I'd say she is skilled.Where is the style the stance? etc.?

Sonic like i said takes no form of training. He takes on skilled opponents and succeeds like i said before. Have you ever watched the anime Beelzebub? Oga Tatsumi the main character is a street fighter, nearly everyone else he fights are martial artists and combatants who have been training for years and all he does is lolstomp them. Take that into consideration. Vegeta takes no form of martial training yet goku who has was struggling to take him down in combat. So im not seeing your point at all yet again.

Actually I`m serious about that truth, Stitch impaling Sonic, crushing him or beating him down would paint the picture especially since Sonic`s damage soak isn`t all that impressive to begin with and the things he survives such as needles, traps and etc are nothing new to Stitch he`s gone beyond that in the beginning of his adventures. Stitch has survived falls and crash landings from space as well, tanked lasers, explosives, attacks from Evile who is stronger and more smarter than Knuckles in how he chooses to channel his strength, none of that is impressive since Stitch can tear through substances that are more durable and unique than steel also Stitch can lift as well as break through houses and how do we exactly know that those robots are durable because Stitch has done the same with Gantu and Cyber`s ships which are made out of specialized alien alloys while Eggman utilized earth based standard tech. Stitch would tear right through Sonic, Stitch has been able to hurt and outdo experiments who are as durable if not more durable also Stitch has done so with two arms not four which doubles his overall strength.

I stopped at earth based standard tech. You played sonic heroes right? a majority of those stages were built by eggman. You played sonic advanced? some of those were built by eggman. You seen the Death

Egg? Freaking. Eggman. I can go on forever. None of it comes even close to being earth based. And how do i know its durable?

LOOK HOW MANY HITS EGGMAN'S ROBOT IS TAKING. NOTHING ON THE U.S ARMY OR ANY OTHER ARMY ON EARTH HAS THAT LEVEL OF DURABILITY LET ALONE TECHNOLOGY. And even if we do, it wouldn't change the fact how much more durable this robot is in comparison to the ships during the fight with gantu. And for all we really know, eggman's robots could be made of titanium, same goes for stitches robots.

Like I have mentioned and already made note of the point is it was for a short period of time, Stitch learned and adapted to the situation. Sonic is faster and more potent when it comes to that factor, I already explained this, the point is Sonic is no different and Stitch will learn to adapt to him it just goes to show no matter how many different types of enemies that Stitch has come across he has learned to overcome them. Not true, its totally aware it has enhanced senses and its always fixed on a certain point in a very advanced way, Stitch caught the bird after and he has dealt with hypersonic forms of movement before, so I don`t see your point.

Enhanced senses? proof? Plus you are ignoring the fact that he struggled virtually the entire time until he finally caught it, i can honestly tell you that a regular human could have done that. .

Impressive but Stitch can rebound off of walls and stop midair even when being launched he did so against Evile also his senses are still more concentrated and collectively efficient than Sonic`s.

Sonic can do that as well..... And proof besides his smell that his senses are better?

@neongamewave:

He was pretty fast and I even admitted that he wasn`t Sonic fast but he was still explicitly fast. Stitch dealt with him real quick and it was second nature to him. That is by assumption not fact, Stitch is not a walking wishful thinker he`s deeper and more expertly designed than Sonic when it comes to sheer power also even if Sonic uses his full potential the problem is that what you have shown thus far is not even a certainty in regards to Sonic being able to deal lasting damage on Stitch while we know Stitch is way stronger and smarter add to the fact that he`s more versatile especially with weapon crafting he`s bound to devise a way to ensure Sonic`s defeat or doom. Sonic will take him seriously to a degree but that won`t stop him from mocking or making Stitch more infused with rage and Stitch`s rage doesn`t really blind him he only becomes more stronger also his instincts exemplify on a very large scale. I meant in terms of character lol and like I said, he can only do that for so long he can`t rely on anything else. Being faster than someone won`t win you a fighting match or save your life it can and will win you a race but that`s about it. Stitch has many ways around it and I`m actually telling the truth. Sonic does play with his opponents, even ones he`s not too familiar with my point is that it will be a factor one way or the other, eventually during the match. Sonic won`t treat Stitch the way he treats Shadow, Rogue, or even Silver he`s going to taunt him one way or the other especially when he realizes he has the immediate edge in speed and that can only last him so long when your opponent has on many occasions adapted to speed, has more strength, versatility, intelligence and is the more appropriate fighter.

Lol, like Cyber, Leroy and Gantu don`t have battleships that are ranging in the thousands that Stitch takes on with no help.

Show me stitch's weapon crafting. According to the OP sonic starts off serious in the first place. And plus he only taunts when he sees that his opponent is inferior, and sonic will see that not only stitch is a slow poke, he will see that stitch is highly blitzable. Sonic taking people seriously is no different from spiderman or deadpool talking s**t while beating the crap out of their opponents.

Pretty much since he`s fought those things before even world ending threats that span on a time/space level and Stitch doesn`t really require help in doing these things Sonic does from either his friends or just the plot itself. Lol, Eggman`s entire fleets are child`s play when you are to compare them to Cyber`s entire armies that encompassed space if we are to count the chess pieces it would be overcrowded and already won. Cyber`s armies were more experienced, militarized and overall powerful. Stitch took all of them on with no help and he destroyed a good number of the ships while having to focus on Cyber. As much as I like Shadow, Leroy could beat him I don`t find it hard to believe especially considering how powerful Leroy was but Shadow could win and a debate would be pretty cool :) I always here this argument people miss the point it doesn`t matter the circumstances are different even the characters in comics don`t exactly dodge lasers they dodge energy beams and when they do dodge lasers (have seen many comics and mangas) its under the idea of plot they don`t flat out dodge the lasers there`s a catch or circumstance usually present throughout the presentation. Stitch rightfully and truthfully dodged multiple lasers being fired from different angles and he has dodged lightning as well while having to keep up with other attacks. I understand your point but the thing is the house still landed on top of him and there`s no discredit directed at the credibility of the feat lol, he still took the damage or implicated force and it doesn`t matter because in the very first movie an entire house of the same size fell right on top of him and he came out of it with no damage or signs of fatigue. While all of that is impressive its nothing I already don`t know and Stitch has also demonstrated precision with his ability to harness energy also we are forgetting the fact of Stitch possessing an enhanced form of hearing and smell so he would be able to sense and predict Sonic`s movements also he has many forms of vision. He has X-Ray vision so he would be able to scan and locate Sonic very easily while also processing a plan his catalog of abilities is more impressive in the long run when it comes to sheer combat and tactic. Stitch is also agile, he can move through small and tight surfaces also he can roll up as a ball like Sonic`s Spindash only more contained and subtle the thing is Stitch is a much more cunning schemer when it comes down to it he`s willing to dismantle and decimate, Sonic even when not holding back can`t rely on much of a powerset except only if it`s conjured up the creativeness in which he decides to distribute and contribute his speed also Stitch has a much more harsher background he`s more mentally monstrous when it comes to things he can potentially do. Everything you have mentioned for Sonic, Stitch has done and can do better, Stitch`s intelligence alone can put everything Sonic has as an achievement to shame and while you could attempt to argue that Sonic has faced intelligent opponents the argument itself doesn`t have a lot of weight since those intellectuals in comparison to Stitch and what he has fought (enemies who threaten the entire galaxy-universe) Stitch has battled far worse and beaten far worse. Eggman is a clown and everything you described when discussing his personal army is the everyday normal for what Stitch`s enemies do such as Leroy, Cyber, and Leroy is a great example of this he had a personal army of himself pretty much cloned but he alone could threaten the galaxy as noted in the movie that he debuted. Stitch beat him and formulated a heroes rescue group to take on Leroy that`s how many reinforcements and forces he had, the number of experiments who partook in the battle confirmed this. Emerl is the only real credible foe you could firmly support as evidence but even he could be questioned on if he used his true potential in intelligence even then Sonic needed help and there`s nothing Stitch wouldn`t be able to replicate . Stitch would beat Eggman, Emerl and he could probably stand up to Shadow as well, Sonic on the other hand could in some ways maybe beat Evile, Leroy Cyber and Stitch did these things alone without much resource, these guys mentioned actually kill, obliterate, destroy and they have no morals. Shadow has morals and a sense of honor, Eggman`s a threat but even he has a conscious he`s also a goof and slacker, Emerl is complicatedly different but the point is when you directly compare the enemies, Stitch has the better resume.

Oh okay since stitch can do everything by himself apparently. So that means HE can take down iblis trigger? that means HE can take down mephilis. Quite honestly in sonic heroes, i can honestly say that sonic could have done the entire game by himself based on feats alone. In sonic generations he took down the egg emperor and chaos, people he supposedly needed help or some form of amp in order to beat them. Cyber's armies were simply shooting at whatever their target was, you are making them sound allot more complex and skilled than they actually are..... Deathstroke, deadshot etc. would have landed every single shot. True soldiers even in real life would have done better than what i saw in that video. Maybe later we could do shadow vs leroy Lol. Im not sure if you know what concussive force is. The way stitch dodged the "lasers" and bullets was no different from kenshin running from gatling gun fire, or a regular human running away from helicopter fire. Harness energy? Please post. X-ray vision is interesting but sonic has no reason to hide, in fact like previously stated, he will be dancing around stitch regardless of reaction adaption. Sonic's spindash has so many feats of strength and its moving at hypersonic speeds mind you. Combine all the feats i showed you for homing attack or spindash and input logic into it, such immense force coming at hypersonic speeds. Eggman seems like a clown due to the sole fact that sonic makes an utter fool out of him, the reason why you downplay him so much is due to sonic easily defeating him every time.(everything according to sonic has been incredibly easy for him.) Eggman has things planned out. If high tiers like sonic and shadow weren't around, the earth would have been doomed several times over on so many occasions. Leroy clones were distributed and yet were defeated by stitch's aliens. So i don't know what to tell you, that means even leroy can be defeated. Sonic did not require help to beat emerl like i said several times, Stitch wouldn't beat eggman due to the nature of his technology and the things he has built. Emerl would wreck stitch. Stitch would have to surpass emerl's data,(and blitz him like sonic did. Emerl only had data on sonic when he was moving at super sonic speeds, and therefore emerl used that data and surpassed it via chaos emeralds and what not, when sonic went all out, it was no surprise that sonic won since emerl doesn't have the reactions to fight sonic going at full speeds which would make sense why he didn't copy and developed a counter.) Maybe? those guys only gave stitch trouble for the following: 1. Evile was designed to be better than him and was basically designed to counter stitch. 2. Leroy is self-explantory and 3.Cyber basically had the equivalent to prep, and had armies to distract stitch. I don't see how sonic wouldn't beat them. A goof and a slacker? you call trying to conquer the world several times slacking off? You call building robots just to counter the one and only threat to his plans just so he can conquer the world slacking off? You call attempting to manipulate time and space and erasing history and what not SLACKING OFF? Stitch wouldn't have been able to stop so much as a majority of eggman's plans. I can give you a list of things stitch would have failed to do if he was in sonic's shoes if you want.

You have to watch the entirety of the third movie and Stitch! the show to understand what really happened, Stitch didn`t only chase or try to corner him he adapted to him and had him lured or outwitted it wasn`t a simple go in there and capture the flag type of thing he exploited openings. Not true again, lasers are lightspeed and he was created as a laser also he can reflect off surfaces as well as charge his speed rate like Sonic can, yet Stitch adapted to him too so what makes Sonic so special other than flashy speed and speed that is more up to pace in power production? It won`t change or render Stitch`s ability useless and Stitch doesn`t need those classifications all he needs is the reason to adapt and overcome no matter how fast or powerful the opponent seemed to be this happens all the time when Stitch encounters a new kind of enemy, Sonic won`t be any different also when he went after Sparky he instantly learned how his ability coincided with his chance of victory he found ways in overcoming the speed factor and Stitch can use the environment to his advantage. If you watch these videos you will have a greater overall grasp of the situation and Sparky is hypersonic so Stitch being able to track, follow and use his sensory supervision against a much faster and maneuverable experiment is very impressive especially since Stitch didn`t have a whole lot of prep or planning, Stitch figured out the source of Sparky`s power as well.

Sigh.. im not even going to say a thing. Im just going to respond by saying that even if those feats were true it would be heavily inconsistent and inapplicable to stitch based on showings.

It doesn`t matter considering Stitch can react and respond to Sonic`s speed that is the only thing he has going for him regardless of how fast he is, he can`t really put Stitch down or at least outlast him considering Stitch has a ridiculous amount of stamina/endurance/pain tolerance/willpower and Stitch`s senses are much more built as they are developed Stitch can put them to better use than Sonic can if we are to go by feats and implication. It really doesn`t matter how much more faster Sonic is than Stitch, if he can`t hurt him then how will he win? Sonic will be caught eventually, Stitch will be attacked from the get go and might experience a few blitzes as well as blazes here and there but Sonic can`t hope to do any lasting damage Stitch has a really solid and safe healing factor as well so that needs to be taken into account.

Stitch won't even tag sonic period. Muscle control speed cannot simply be increased just by adaptation. Stitch's physical abilities changing through adaptation makes no sense whatsoever. And stitch has a healing factor? May i see?

Stitch fought Leroy and Evile that`s more impressive, and I know Shadow a great deal. Those two are more versatile, smarter, dangerous and their completely raw when it comes to kill and win. Stitch`s true power will be shown in my next argument, I haven`t like I have said before, gotten into his true ultimate peak power. I`m looking forward to what you have in store for me

Crap i gotta sleep i;ll get to shadow later.

Cool.

@neongamewave: Let me respond to your most recent post and then i'll do my conclusion then you do yours or vice versa.

Same with Stitch and as promised, I will be showcasing how truly powerful Stitch can be. Not true and highly false, Stitch uses his own standard weaponry such as a laser pulse ray, energy nets and even he uses his wit at one point he used his saliva to have an intelligently programmed AI system fooled also he can conjure up acidic substances that can melt through most things. Stitch only goes Hulk mode when pushed passed the edge or when he`s in a hyperactive mode and that`s pretty rare considering even in those points of time he uses a great deal of his genetically incorporated genus mind to figure out problems and solve them he`s not a lumbering monster like Hulk or Jason Voorhees is in the sense that he loses control and loses sensibility. And it doesn`t matter if he uses it differently or unconventionally the fact is he`s a lot smarter than Sonic by miles, that is a fact he`s much more aware, significant and impressive when it comes to pure planning or just figuring out a situation. He has limits but it doesn`t change the fact that he can lock and surpass those limits his limits are gauged by mostly his strength but that won`t be a problem when in dealing with a physical inferior like Sonic and when the house landed on Stitch no noticeable and notable signs of damage were done even when Lilo`s house fell on Stitch he came out of it like nothing had transpired. Like Stitch can do the same and better? Stitch without a propelling mechanism smashed through Cyber`s ships, Leroy`s equipment and the one time he propelled himself into Gantu`s ship he showcased the consistent strength of being able to tear it apart and those ships are much larger as they are a lot more durable than houses they destroy as well as park on large destinations. You miss the point entirely as you speculative with that reason, it would matter considering Stitch has caught and overcome opponents who were much faster and stronger than him who actually can even hurt him those opponents failed regardless also Stitch doesn`t have to catch or subdue Sonic by direct contact all he needs to is to use the environment and adapting means Stitch can become accustomed as well as more match worthy for Sonic`s speed eventually he will have Sonic trapped or outlasted in regards to stamina which is something speed cannot save you from even the fastest of characters need rest. I watched the Disney show, I watched some of the anime show and I watched some of the movies as well as refreshed my memory with research and I have to say that Stitch is actually really credibly consistent when it comes to adapting even Jumba made note of this and he would know more than anybody, he created Stitch. Also Stitch is exposed to many experiences and situations where the odds are against him Sonic receives more help than Stitch does by a lot and that alone weakens your argument. My logic wasn`t that Stitch can adapt and win, my logic was Stitch can adapt to Sonic and find ways to win, you see the difference? Your logic that Sonic is too fast for Stitch doesn`t make sense or fall under the category of being rationally or reasonably true when even opponents who are not as fast or classified in the hypersonic range have tagged Sonic or made a mess of him and they weren`t as smart or as well experienced as Stitch was and the enemies Stitch fights actually are on his level to a degree that can be measured you can`t say the same about Sonic which is why many times he either needs the Chaos Emeralds or his friends to help him, I played the games, read the comics and I followed Sonic for a long time, I would know.

Alright then. But his guns are not standard at all. The only time i seen stitch with those weapons is in certain situations, and even those times were rare, and in the first movie IIRC.Besides i honestly believe that none of that will even touch sonic. And using saliva to trick a CPU? how does that work? Post please? Thats not true, i looked at the american dragon battle again and stitch was fighting on sole instinct, nothing he did was over the top intelligent. I bet if i look hard enough i can find people who are mentally challenged in comparison to stitch doing the same thing he was. Like i said stitch's feats for DURABILITY not exactly pain tolerance, are inconsistent. He goes from tanking point blank explosions to getting beat down by Kixx.(who based on feats alone not powerscaling is probably below knuckles.) Aware? in terms of what exactly? Significant? in terms of what exactly? and impressive? only in terms of durability and intelligence, and a very intellectual friend told me that Academic Intelligence is not the same as Wisdom. And both can be scaled differently. By your logic of adaption he can physically change, by that sole logic stitch can solo fiction. (Wonderwoman? stitch adapts and somehow wins. Flash? Stitch adapts by changing his muscle control SOMEHOW and beats flash, Superman? he SOMEHOW adapts to superman's strength and overpowers him. No if he was purposely made that way then he wouldn't be losing in each episode then rationally thinking how to beat his cousins.) Against sparky like i said he wasn't really chasing him. And even then his speed is actually highly questionable in the first place. There is never any bruises or cuts or wounds on stitch or sonic when they get beat up so thats just lazy animators at work. Smashed through cyber's ships? i don't recall that, i recall him ramming his ship into cyber's and surviving the explosion. Ummm what about kixx? He overpowered stitch with agility, speed, and pure striking force. And the only way he could win was because of lilo's help. Using the environment won't work at all like i said before sonic has adapting to all kinds of situations himself. Although sonic's ability to adapt is not the same as stitch's its still pretty damn good regardless. Throwing trees or coconuts won't work at all, sonic can either hit them back towards stitch or just dodge them and close in for attacks. Sonic would need to rest? not really, sonic seems to have a crap ton of stamina, running several thousand miles and turning out fine, crossing mountain ranges and turning out fine, destroying eggman's fleet and still had enough stamina to go after eggman's final fleet in sonic heroes, i can go scourge for more examples if needed. Actually no your logic was he adapts and win due to the fact that you kept on bringing up sparky and zap who are both questionable in terms of speed and said that since stitch was taking them on he can do the same for sonic. Besides sonic's friends who are all in the mach speed range, who else has tagged sonic may i ask? And i asked several times, when has sonic received help, REAL HELP in order to win fights? He only needed the chaos emeralds for big bosses who were realistically too powerful to take down in base. Are you telling me stitch would have beaten, Perfect Chaos, Dark Gaia, Solaris, Time Eater, etc. himself? And merlina(black knight) and Erazor? And the deadly six?(who are basically no different then stitch except in terms of durability.) By himself with no form of intel or help or prep time or any form of equipment?(by the way sonic had no help beating the deadly six.) Stitch receives intel for nearly every experiment he fought. So i have no idea what you mean by when you say stitch had no form of help in comparison to sonic.

Now that`s impressive in the regard of handling and homing a weapon but that`s an irrelevant feat in the likes of skill due to the fact that Sonic doesn`t usually carry around weapons also it`s not present in this match, Stitch on the other hand is a true combatant, he masters and navigates through warfare but he also blows stuff up with skill, piloting and knowledge. Stitch would easily wield a sword too and wreck that dragon, Stitch has fought creatures like that before. Stitch wielded a chainsaw once and used it on instinct instead of impulse. Here is a whole entire list of Experiment 626`s abilities as confirmed by Jumba himself and it counters your senses point also, Sonic has nothing on Stitch.

You are not considering how that is a feat for adaption, he simply picked up the sword and started using it like a pro, that shows that sonic can adapt pretty well to certain conditions.

Taking into consideration how he wrecked Shadow, Blaze, and Knuckles(alternate versions but basically the same in terms of power.) With sword skill when he took no training what so ever shows so much its not even funny. Masters and navigates through warfare. Huh, i guess the multiple times when sonic raided eggman's fleets or the death egg or eggman land or one of eggman's large death traps never happened. Blowing stuff up? Oh sonic never has done that huh? And with skill, ummm im pretty sure sonic precisely dodges gun fire, lasers, missles, etc. all while taking out robots effortlessly. Piloting skills play no factor besides sonic had his own airplane. He is no tails but he knows how to fly it pretty well.

And i saw nothing in that video that came out of jumba's mouth that i wouldn't see in decently designed robots made by eggman.

Stitch has done so before with equipment and tech that is far more advanced as well as complex while fighting hundreds of warships, enemy drones and militarized vehicles being employed on a rate that is more than riskier than that of the stakes and also Stitch has wielded weapons like swords before he has swung with more power and experience than Sonic has, Sonic utilized his speed and other resources so it wasn`t just a pure takedown. Stitch would do the same if he went up against King Arthur and he would of done it quicker thanks to his intelligence.

http://watch32.com/movies-online/leroy-&-stitch-5197

31:00 - 32:10

Stitch when battling Leroy uses a steel styled stick that is actually much stronger considering its apart of the alien composed compartments and he battles Leroy in different areas the reason why I am showing this is that its not hard to pick up a long range weapon and start swinging I could easily say Stitch is skilled as much as Sonic is (he is actually in more ways than one) but it takes more proof to confirm the convincing. Stitch even had Leroy sucked into a venting system that cut him all up it just goes to show that Stitch is willing to try anything at anytime and he equalized Leroy in skill who was supposed to be a superior to him in the first place.

Quicker? i highly doubt it. Like i said academic intelligence is not the same as wisdom/knowledge. Plus

Thats not an impressive showing at all, i seen so many people do that in fiction even street levelers, and it doesn't show as much skill as what sonic was showing with the sword in any way shape or form. Sonic was using the sword as if he was already a master of it according to merlina.

Stitch even had leroy sucked into a venting system. Considering, how leroy lost all his hair and had no wounds on him i will take that more of a toony situation then a showing of a lack of morals.

Wreck stuff in multiple ways that Sonic wouldn`t be able to if it weren`t for his speed what has Sonic done that is so special without speed? You can`t really name me anything its because in comparison to Stitch he can`t do much, Stitch has figured out how to bypass super advanced artificial intelligences, create gadgets, use four arms to overwhelm threats and Sonic is not clumsy or way in over his head that might the get the best of him far faster especially since he`ll believe that Stitch wouldn`t be able to catch him also the opponents Stitch have fought say otherwise he`s fought way smarter and insightful opponents. The only ones you could list as legitimate wins are Eggman but he`s worse than Gantu and the other`s aren`t worth mentioning especially since Sonic received help a lot of the time.

Sonic when it comes to talking trash is no different from spiderman or deadpool. He would fight and take down his opponents while simultaneously throwing around sarcasm or jokes. Sonic may not look like it but he is on guard most of the time. Eggman being worse than gantu is ridiculously considering how virtually everyone in the stitch universe has either stomped him(experiments) outsmarted him(regular characters like lilo, pleakly, jumba etc. along with the experiments.) Or just straight up make him look like a joke.(stitch) Eggman has mainly been taken down by sonic and shadow and blaze. IIRC. And has shown far more impressive showings then gantu. You know what? lets do a CAV. Gantu vs Eggman, all resources available to both within legit canon(no BS such as scourging other forms of canon for supposedly consistent or comparable showings from the anime. and lets see who wins. So sonic received help beating blaze? Beating shadow on multiple occasions? beating silver? beating rouge twice in sonic battle? beating knuckles on several occasions? Taking down eggman in several of their fights a extremely large majority of them sonic being the only one fighting? He received help beating the deadly six? because i heavily recall tails,knuckles, and amy not helping even once in defeating them. Shall i continue? And if i recall correctly, stitch received intel or assistance in taking down a majority of the experiments jumba created.

I remember this technique and it`s a cool move but Sonic is going to need more than just flashy tricks to get the better of Stitch.

The move has been used to launch giant robots and rip off shielding off of robots...... so i don't see how its flashy besides it being blue lol.

That`s speculation on your part and if I`m not mistaken a lot of the Archie Comics - Sonic stuff is not directly related to the games it`s like an alternative universe and a lot of the fundamentals are different, for Stitch it`s actually pretty much the same.

Sonic has created tornadoes in multiple games by speed alone, and in sonic o6 sonic created a tornado in a similar fashion to the scan i showed. i really don't see why it would be so hard for him to do it like this considering all sonic is doing is spinning himself...... For stitch its the same? thats why he tanked a supernova in the anime right? thats the same as the movie and the disney show? Because dear god i can post the entire series on comic vine right now and not a single feat would suggest he can tank a supernova. Same goes for the movies. Plus that would mean that enemies who actually harmed stitch after that situation have attacks with equal amount of a supernova if not more since he came out unharmed. Plus you said any feats can be used from any form of media as long as the feat itself is compatible and consistent enough to be applicable.

Now this technique could be something interesting for Stitch to battle against but the enemies Sonic faces in comparison to Stitch are nothing and even if the technique causes Stitch to lose balance it won`t do much damage especially since Stitch can just keep Sonic on his toes with energy beams or acidic plasma beams.

8:10 - 8:30, emphasizing my point on experiment 323`s speed it was so fast it left in a hurry and couldn`t be seen by Gantu and the rest of the residents also Stitch utilized water to catch it what`s more impressive is not necessarily the height of its speed but because it is a smaller target and this highlights Stitch`s marksmanship.

Interesting but i didn't see any speed feats or combat speed feats that put him anywhere near sonic's level. Once lightning storms come in? but how do we know that stitch will be given the same effect? we don't know the exact output of an exact lightning bolt. And we sure as hell don't know the exact output for Sparky. Also sonic has used his break dancing skills along with his speed to create new attacks in combat in sonic battle according to emerl's data. And sonic also creates long range shockwaves just by spinning at high speeds. He can do this on ground and in mid-air.

Fair enough but I don`t see anything special other then Knuckles failing and Stitch is way stronger than Knuckles with just two arms, not four arms. I`ll get to that in a bit and once I do you`ll understand why Sonic is not strong enough to down Stitch.

1st video

Stitch is being constrained and crushed by two massive gigantic arms that also crushed his fairly durable highly advanced traveling vehicle and Stitch broke out of it with no difficulties also that`s not even his true strength. Stitch would of been able to hold back Knuckles and wreck him far more impressively than Sonic showing tricks that were up his sleeve.

Now in regards to the wind stuff and everything else related to it.

Knuckles can cause tremors by punching the ground....

Knuckles can punch a target so hard that he can cause explosions. And he can punch fast enough to set his hands on fire.(he has done this in the sonic advance series, and in sonic heroes.) I don't see stitch putting him down as easily as you say.(knuckles would sure as hell get beaten but i don't see him getting stomped.)

15:38 - 16:50

Stitch creates massive water ruptures when swimming and he storms the boat by storm keep in mind that these fish men had magical powers they can create animals out of nothing with magic, Stitch broke the spell that was conformed with the Octopus and this was confirmed by the leader also he tossed the Octopus like nothing, as well as the large pirate ship, he wrecked the Octopus, Octopus weigh around 15 kg (33 lb) according to this source -

http://www.ask.com/question/how-much-does-an-octopus-weigh

And ships usually way 1000 - 500,000 ibs according to the same source -

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_a_pirate_ship_weigh?#slide=1

That`s how strong Stitch is when not using his maximum strength also imagine what he can do with the rainforest due to that strength he carries and if the fight were to take a turn to a more watery basis or ground level. I wouldn`t be surprised considering the dynamic of Sonic`s fights and his fighting, things around him usually change. Stitch would have the upper hand although both have problems and troubles with swimming (funny right). Stitch has the edge due to him adapting as well as in many appearances learning to overcome that drawback but the right would reach epic heights nonetheless :)

17:40 - 18:35 - Everything you have shown me from Sonic going underwater to creating whirlwinds is nothing compared to what Stitch does here, creating ideas and neat tricks with a simple sneeze is more impressive than manipulating the friction and forces of the air which is predictable to Sonic`s speed anyway. Stitch after being launched from a great distance and a great speed while in the air manages to create a HUGE tornado forget whirlwinds, in which he launches himself at the captain and has him knocked out this makes what Sonic did look like child`s play.

It was used the same way it was used in sonic adventure DX. Wait, Wait Wait, what does sora, donald and goofy have to do with this at all in any way shape or form? Plus:

Thats a good example of an impact at the speed of light.

If you want real combat feats, here they are. Stitch after being sucked into a wormhole takes on the alternative version of himself dodging highly charged energy beams while crawling a flat surface. He eats the other Stitch`s weapons and he was only held back because of Yuna which she even identified herself yet he was putting up quite the fight even when not particularly armed and this shows that Stitch can take on armed opponents who are skilled or immersed in weaponry.

I don't see how any of that compares to what was shown in the Sonic OVA. In fact sonic can do everything stitch did in that video except eat the weapons but better. To add, everything in that video sonic has done except carrying that giant slab of rock in the OVA.

Knuckles it tough but not too tough he always acts on a sense of pride like Vegeta does and he`s trained but not expertly trained. Stitch is far better trained and has been a participant in many space wars that threaten worlds. It doesn`t mean he`s inconsistent by any means it means he can time and react to those types of speeds, he doesn`t have to be those speed. It actually is considering the lighting he was programmed with came from one of the experiments who manipulate actual lightning and authentic lightning not enhanced or anything and that idea that you have imposed as been debunked already, your misinterpreting the actual point itself. Like Stitch hasn`t fought and beaten supersonic characters or characters who utilize telekinetic abilities, also Knuckles, and Silver based on feats are not as fast as Sonic and they were able to get to him also even Eggman has given him trouble another point is Sonic like Superman needs to build up speed to get to certain velocities it doesn`t just happen and he has trouble sometimes aerially if there`s isn`t a form of scenery and external environment involved. Lol, like Cyber and Leroy aren`t geniuses, if Eggman is such a genius he wouldn`t being made a mockery of in Sonic X (that I watched and enjoyed), his equipment isn`t special its nothing that Gantu or Cyber don`t have and that is by your speculation, in my analysis his feats are interchangebale he has done more damage he has threatened worlds when Eggman only and mainly deals with that of the earth, Eggman doesn`t compare to Cyber either who had a bomb great enough to destroy the galaxy or even reality. Also that is not true, with his inventions he was defeated by Sonic pretty easily and his inventions don`t get any better with time which is the problem he doesn`t improve, my Team Rocket comparison is spot on. No I am not, you are downplaying the Stitch universe considering how Eggman is even being compared when Stitch defeated a much highly intelligent and ruthless opponent also Sonic receives help unlike Stitch so that works against you on all accounts.

Still won't change the fact that knuckles is a powerful combatant in general. And that sonic has toyed with him easily. Lightning coming from a artificial source cannot be assumed to be the same as lightning coming from the sky. The only supersonic foes stitch really fought that i recall is zap and possibly sparky. Actually sonic is not like superman at all:

Skip to 0:23 watch till 0:29 as you can see he easily boosted from his current speed.

And one of my favorites:

Not really he has very little trouble going through dangerous areas.

This place was basically a hell hole and sonic got through just fine. He adapted to every single change the level had, going from barrages of auto-targeting missiles, to roller coasting while avoiding threats.(which he must have been having fun doing since he could have just continued running normally. ) Honestly the video is pretty self-explanatory that sonic can adapt to his surroundings with ease.

Knuckles was basically breaking the sound barrier in the sonic advance games. And he was pretty much to an extent keeping up with sonic in fights(combat speed and travel speed are incredibly different.) and in sonic heroes. Even if he was classified as the slowest. Silver was basically faster than blaze via telekinesis. And blaze was not that far away from sonic and shadow in terms of speed.

Dude, the sonic x incarnation of eggman is so much different from the game incarnation on so many levels. Plus the only reason robotnik looks like such a fool in your eyes is due to the fact that sonic easily beats him. Sonic himself always mentions how easy it is to beat eggman regardless of what he does.

Some examples of egghead giving sonic trouble? Some specific examples?

The castle was shaken if you look closely, the room vibrated and was shaken more retrospectively, Stitch caused things to explode too with only two arms lol. Much larger and harder things, Knuckles usually gives it his all when in punching something his hardest punches can even be misdirected by weaker opponents as for Stitch it takes stronger or equally strong opponents to even challenge him. Not true, and faster enemies actually tag him the small in usual who would tag him were evenly matched ones and he didn`t have trouble catching 323 forever, he caught the experiment shortly after, why is that because it`s not as flashy or fancy as Sonic`s highlighted speed. That`s downplaying a feat that fairly happened on more than one basis and reaction speed regardless if just as impressive considering Stitch was trapped also he had to deal with more than just lightning.

Ok lets assume i am downplaying the feat, it wouldn't change that there are other cases of him getting speed blitzed such as when he fought Kixx who seems to only have spiderman level speed if not far less.

Cyber was the same in the sense that he can scan and read for techniques or abilities also he was enhanced it wasn`t only and specifically Cyber but Evile as well who possessed over hundreds of abilities from different experiments including Stitch he was supposed to be smarter than Stitch and more deadly. It doesn`t really matter considering Sonic actually needed help and I doubt he would be able to handle Emerl alone, Stitch took down Emerl and Evile all on his own as he had to stop the intergalactic bomb from going off. Sonic did receive help and Emerl wasn`t the only one to take on Sonic either so that isn`t true, Sonic in other mediums took on Emerl with resource, help or just the plot.

Scan and read for techniques? im going to need you to show me some combat showcases of cyber doing such things. SONIC FOUGHT EMERL ONE ON ONE AT THE END OF SONIC BATTLE, HE HAD NO FORM OF HELP WHAT SO EVER. ALL HE DID WAS TELEPORT UP THERE THEN FOUGHT HIM, THE END. And what does other people fighting sonic have to do with anything. What resources did he took on emerl with may i ask? What help did sonic get to take on emerl? And plot? i can say that for multiple of stitch's greatest fights.

Not true, Sonic did receive help in many cases beyond those instances and Stitch receives intel in some cases most times he`s all on his own, Lilo barely helps or pitches in. When Stitch fought Evile he was on his own, when he fought Leroy he was on his own and had to gather a team on a large scale all on his own, he took on Hamsterviel all on his own the stronger opponents like Metal Sonic, Emerl and even Eggman Sonic would need help for Shadow, Silver, Erazor and etc he has received a form of help or plot device. Jumba tell him in regards to what he is up against but he doesn`t help Stitch or give him resources even when Stitch does comes into contact with the experiments, surprises are shown and this happened with Cyber. False, Sonic is given insight and he knows what he is getting himself into even when up against Eggman most times he doesn`t even do it alone he has to rely on his friends which Stitch doesn`t really have a lot of his times. Not true and no I haven`t I have given proof for the adaption also the argument centers more around Sonic`s speed than anything else. Sonic needed Eggman`s help in Sonic adventure 2 and even in Sonic Unleashed he was tricked by Eggman of all people who is not as smart as Cyber or Leroy int he slightest they would laugh at him most of his equipment was already built by Hamsterviel who you can say is the Eggman of the Stitch universe but he`s more excusable in some situations and even in Sonic Lost World, Sonic was fooled by Eggman also he needed his help. Sonic was even killed by Mephiles during Sonic the Hedgehog and Silver needed to revive him that woudn`t of happened to Stitch the way it did to Sonic.

You keep saying this but you are not proving it. Sonic never needed help for metal sonic, or emerl. Barely needs help against eggman and why the hell would he need help for shadow if sonic has defeated shadow on multiple occasions?! He beated silver twice, and why need help beating erazor? And if you keep saying its all plot device i can BS and say the same thing for all of stitch's fights. Actually jumba has given stitch resources such as guns and cars and scientific modifications. Sonic is given info about the situation, not info about exactly his opponent's limits, abilities and etc. Stop trying to twist it. And i already stated that sonic barely needs help. And i already asked for specific examples. Actually sonic predicted eggman would trick him in lost world. Sonic was distracted! Of course he is going to get stabbed and the same thing would sure as hell happen to stitch since there is nothing that suggest otherwise.

Awesome :) I agree, I am aware of this, I played and beaten Shadow the Hedgehog. Stitch has been exposed to that type of training as well more within the space range. I don`t see how Stitch or Evile wouldn`t be able to fight Emerl to a standstill either considering how powerful and smart they are compared to Sonic they don`t need to rely on their speed aspects too much. He was and is more deadly than Emerl was, Shadow is a deadly viper but Evile was a true killer and he was brutal as well when it came to pushing the envelope. Stitch was familiar with them but he wasn`t on their best terms and he didn`t develop any kind of attachment to them the only genuine one being Sparky. Sonic on the other hand is best friends with Tails, Knuckles, Amy and etc. Sure, here is the clip.

How may i ask is he more deadly than emerl? Emerl has every single sonic character from sonic battle recorded into his databanks and he can combine all of those fighting styles into one. Hundreds of varied combinations, geokinesis, high level physical strength, hypersonic speeds, melee skills, boxing skills, Malleability manipulation, time and space manipulation, several fire arms and weapons, etc. I really don't see at all how stitch is more deadly.

I know and that is my point lol, for the fact he needed assistance in the first place supports my argument he didn`t just beat him twice consistently in base form it required circumstance. I am just making a reference and a good one at that considering a lot of Sonic`s feats in the comics, Sonic X and even key titles in the game series required of him his Super Form or Chaos Control so that needs to be factored in most of the time Stitch is performing awesome feats casually without the use of his alien form. Yes he does but he`s not someone I would rank on the level of Evile or Leroy he`s good but not that good he`s even needed Sonic`s help on multiple occasions (games I`ve played thoroughly) to challenge Sonic and even needs the Chaos Emeralds to operate his plans he`s not self independent most of the time a lot of times he needs a controversial energy source to back him while Stitch`s enemies use their own intelligence to get the whole 100% done. Its not just that its his competence, composure and characterizations he`s not done anything that wasn`t already done by Hamsterviel who doesn`t even compare to Cyber or Leroy also Stitch has built gadgets to nullify state of the art weaponry, to solve problems and he`s used his mind to make light situations that are world ending. I`ve played those games and seen those games, while Sonic can adapt its usually to the same kind of environments when Stitch can adapt to environments, enemies and even surprises that he`s not too aware of. Durability low? Lol, like getting cut open once by something very sharp and abnormal then healing pretty quickly? Being literally crushed and then getting up afterwards getting electrocuted with no marks and then bouncing back up where Sonic`s durability feats? Even if we are to go with your logic is pain tolerance being high is a big deal when we are to factor in his endurance, stamina and headstrong forwardness he can take more punishment, he can dish out more punishment and he has the will to come out of the experience as the same Stitch, we don`t really see Sonic tanking anything special because he relies too much on his speed and sass than his stats or anything not relating to speed. Stitch is far more impressive when it comes to just outright tanking things his body is more conditioned and more heavily susceptible to the killing class all of his enemies are always out to kill him in many ways possible, if a house was thrown on Sonic, I doubt he would be able to recover as fast as Stitch did also that`s happened more than once so the consistency of the conditioning is there...

The fact that modern sonic destroyed perfect chaos easily while in comparison to a younger(in perspective) sonic who got trashed and needed the emeralds, shows that sonic has gotten stronger, and more versatile, and more skilled.

He`s dealt with worse, he`s dealt with Cyber`s which come in more numbers, are larger as they are more advanced also he`s dealt with Leroy`s as well as Hamsterviel`s with no help unlike Sonic and the thing is Eggman`s robots from all of the appearances that I have seen him unleash his plans its pretty much the same thing everytime, at least the names I mentioned try to switch it up now and then. Eggman`s showings in the Sonic comics are something to consider but even then its questionable and not entirely reliable.

Can you prove any of this? If you want we can do a comparison of every single robot model egghead has and compare it to the robots who were shooting at stitch. -.-

Like that`s in character for Sonic and like Stitch is not going to be dodging, hiding, or moving up large trees also his senses will spot out Sonic better. Your forgetting that Stitch has better tracking and homing senses he was trained to be that diversely developed from the beginning when it took Sonic a couple of years to get with the times. That is cool but nothing Stitch hasn`t done and the robots Stitch face were far larger from what you`ve shown me I`m not impressed. Stitch has used pure strength and intelligence to overwhelm far greater machines also Sonic consistently hasn`t gotten the better of Shadow, Blaze or even Rogue usually Knuckles and Silver I`m inclined to agree with Stitch he defeats opponents like Evile, Leroy, Cyber and etc who are meant to destroy him but can`t, Jumba confirms this also in regards to how different and strongly unique Stitch is. Stitch won`t just chew them up and spit them back at a faster rate? Or shoot lasers, go underground like has before by melting the ground beneath him or just ripping a hole in the middle of the ground keeping Sonic off balance? Those environments are pretty much repetitive and Stitch has adapted to more detailed places which would include the usual stuff Sonic is used to such as cities, islands, undergrounds, space and even other worlds, places with hostile environments that change rapidly over time that`s more impressive. Also Sonic never had to deal with someone having to use the environment against him like how I`m explaining here he runs through those environments with obstacles but not as being an obstacle and having that vehicle of movement used against him.

It totally is though. I already addressed this, besides sonic wouldn't just stare at him and allow him to run. And if he did as soon as he sees stitch attack from the trees he would likely run up to the top and see if he can find him if not plow through the forest with his speed. Consistently he has, gotten the better of shadow. I can show you every occasion. Blaze he defeated in combat during sonic rush. Rouge he defeated twice during sonic battle. Repetitive? can you elaborate please? "places with hostile environments that change rapidly over time that`s more impressive." Thats is basically what sonic has to deal with, and stitch throwing crap at him and tearing up the battlefield is no different from sonic running through a stage or fighting a boss who does the same things.

Not exactly true, the situations and circumstances are different. I`ve seen it in anime, video games, novels and comics but its always unique to how its overcome. Sonic needed help actually and that`s in particular Classic Sonic the difference was made official even in Sonic Generations. Stitch has faced both Evile and Leroy without much help defeating them on his own terms.

WHEN DID SONIC NEED HELP? HE RECEIVED NO HELP WHAT SO EVER WHEN HE BEATED METAL SONIC THE FIRST TIME AND BY TWICE IM REFERRING TO CLASSIC SONIC BEATING HIM TWICE(FIRST ENCOUNTER AND THEIR SECOND ENCOUNTER DURING GENERATIONS) NOT NEO METAL SONIC.

You haven`t proven that to be so, I`ve actually given you proof that you can`t deny in regards to Eggman and he wasn`t outsmarted by anyone. He possesses large fleets too, with his own allies, Eggman on the other hand wasn`t only bested by Sonic on multiple occasions he was also bested by Amy, Tails and much more especially in Sonic X on top of all that, I don`t see how Eggman is different from Hamsterviel whose done more things when it comes to galactic scale the earth oriented stuff is comparable but is that the best Eggman has to offer...?

Gantu doesn't posses such resources in the actual canon. In the actual canon gantu was fired by the grand councilwoman and was forced to work for hamsterviel. And like i said sonic himself declares that battling eggman is easy for him and is a piece of cake. The fact that amy, cream and Big of all people were able to take on eggman in heroes was pure WIS and PIS since they are useless in comparison to the other teams. And seriously sonic x? sonic x made eggman look like team rocket(who is so much inferior to game canon eggman its not even funny.) No its not, and take into consideration that eggman works by himself while the damn rodent has allies and people that can aid him IIRC.

Classic Sonic right and he needed help in Sonic Heroes, also Stitch has done the same with Evile and Leroy with no help in more than one fight so what`s your point? Knuckles isn`t a big deal to be honest so that shouldn`t even be accounted for. Sonic obviously takes advantage of his speed and is aware of Knuckles` brashness, now Shadow makes sense but even then Sonic is made to be lesser and its no different for Stitch taking on Leroy.

Umm classic sonic and modern sonic are the same? Barely, sonic could have quite honestly done the entire game himself, even at the end knuckles and tails were not needed. Super sonic could have took metal down. Sonic clearly knew knuckles combat weaknesses, which shows that he has some skill, he said that knuckles has allot of power but is easy to read.

Stitch is built from the ground up to take down military from that of earth and space, he has skills also Sonic hasn`t demonstrated any true form of mature skill him being crafty and lucky with a sword doesn`t prove a thing other then he can pick up something and put it to fair use without actually exploiting true experience or stylized ability. Who`s not the say Knuckles wouldn`t be able to use the sword better than or as good as Sonic did? Fighting these individuals doesn`t make him any more skilled either when a lot of the times the characters don`t regard Sonic as much or take him that seriously a lot of the time Sonic is the one praising them especially Shadow. I watched Beelzebub, and I know what its about the comparison made is very weak especially since Oga was more skilled, stronger also he was an aggressor he received enhancements over time thanks to his supernatural connections with the baby as foreshadowed in the show a better example to me would of been Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho and even then your point still falls flat apart. Yes he does, Saiyans are born warriors and they are built as well as programed to become warriors no matter what, Vegeta trained progressively as the series progressed if Vegeta wasn`t a skilled fighter and did not know the principles then Goku of all people (one of the most skilled martial artists of all of fiction) wouldn`t make note of it, with your logic then Piccolo, Krillin and etc shouldn`t of been able to challenge Goku, and Sonic doesn`t compare to these guys anyway so your not making any sense. I have showings to back my claims up, Stitch like Goku was built for warfare which is a default for required skill.

Crafty and lucky? How is it lucky to beat several skilled warriors easily? Especially when merlina complimented on his skill as well. Knuckles focuses on brute force and is nowhere nears as precise and calm as sonic is, so no he wouldn't be able to use it as good as sonic did. Shadow thats another story all together, especially since he has weapons experience. Oga actually winged most of his fights, even without the connection with beel. He was still kicking nearly everyone's ass. Yusuke is a bad example since he took combat training from genkai one of the greatest martial artist in the world. And when did i say sonic compared to those guys?

He`s nothing special and he is nobody to envy or place emphasis on, Bowser has impressed me more because he relies on his own gifts and powers to get the best of Mario. Eggman is like Team Rocket, Plankton or Professor Calamitous.

I could so say the same for gantu and hamsterviel. The difference is that plankton is a straight up failure and professor calamitous is nothing in comparison to him and is even worse. And please never and i mean ever compare team rocket to eggman. They are god awful at their job.Their machines are bootleg and their resources and plans make no sense its a surprise that anyone falls for such obvious tricks, they are the clowns, not Robotnik. They have no form of common sense and even in unova when they are given the appropriate tech and resources in order to succeed in virtually any mission they still somehow fail in the stupidest ways. They are the most incompetent villains i have seen in fiction and the most humorous due to their immense failures. Eggman always has a strategy in mind when utilizing some scheme. He always has multiple things planned ahead. Bowser i find unimpressive for mainly his sole purpose for besting mario, some of his strategies were interesting and clever but some of them made no sense. And all of this just to have his way with Peach. But thats not the topic here. LMAO

0:26 - 0:31 - Stitch dodges energy pulse rays from all angles and that experiment had the element of surprise as well.

The rest of the video speaks for itself.

That robot was nowhere even close to being impressive in comparison to any of eggman's robot. Sonic would have one shotted that robot with utter ease before it could even register sonic's existence. Light and casual attacks you keep saying. But a light and casual attack doesn't launch giant robots several miles away from the attacker. Plus eggman has built a robot exactly like that dinosaur before and sonic has utterly wrecked it. And sonic has also dealt with a robot in a similar fashion as stitch did.

I can apply the same logic to stitch's robots. We don't know what the ships are made of despite coming from another planet.

As for stitch's alien form can you show me a direct showing and a direct difference within the same episode or time frame?(basically show me a comparison of stitch's base stats in comparison to alien stitch's stats within the same episode or time frame. mainly due to cartoons having inconsistent feats is why im asking.)

He has weapon making feats, they are there but the point is he has more to his resume to what he can do in a fighting situation than Sonic and Stitch carries weapons so regardless, he will have weapons at his disposal. Turning coconuts into sharp piercing pellets that can destroy powerful machines is something to note, or using his saliva as a acidic agent is considered a weapon and there are more but in terms of sheer gadgetry he has proven that he does indeed possess the intellect Jumba interprets this himself and he would use the surroundings as a resource. He doesn`t start off bloodlusted or enraged, Sonic is serious, I never denied that but his in character tendencies and attributes remain perfectly intact so there`s nothing stopping him from underestimating Stitch in every way possible he might even consider him to be the slowest opponent he has ever fought and to add to it, Stitch is the one who is going to be the more bloodlusted and hostile one so it doesn`t matter either way. Deadpool and Spiderman have a difference that difference being that they actually have the right to be able to do those things which comes with the back talking and humor unlike Sonic who doesn`t, he only makes use of his speed against opponents who are slower than him or who are not as taken afar in their speed.

His weapons are not standard equipment at all for stitch. And plus show me stitch building gadgets in the middle of a battle. What do you mean the right to talk smack? There is no justification for being able to talk trash and what not. Spiderman uses his reflexes and webs and what not, deadpool uses his weapons, sonic uses his speed, agility and precision, everyone has their own style of fighting. Sonic has talked smack to even shadow IIRC so i don't think there should be any complaints or any specific people he talks smack to. And like i said his in character tendencies won't affect him if he is serious. Sonic was clearly using his in character tendencies against powerful opponents before, it never has hindered his skill in combat.

That wasn`t my point neither was it my stance it`s deep than that. He can`t do everything himself but in comparison to Sonic he can do so much more things now that`s what needs to be at the center of confirmation. Why not with the right gear and the right situation, why not? Can Sonic take on Evile who is out to kill him and who is more smarter than Shadow? Not true, his feats in that game don`t prove a thing only that Sonic needed help especially in that scenario as his many other games prove he at a lot of the times receives help and even if we are to argue that Stitch receives help to its not to the same extent or to the same beneficial backing. He did and I don`t see how Stitch wouldn`t be able to do that even in Sonic X he needed the Chaos Emeralds to do a lot of the more impressively important things as I have seen for myself. Like Eggman wasn`t doing that or Metal Sonic? Now Shadow and Silver are the only ones that would be fine but even then Sonic doesn`t get on the best terms of them in terms of a battle also Cyber`s armies were shooting and aiming but you know what they were also doing? Proving themselves to be a challenge for Stitch who is trained for combat and warfare more than even Shadow or Sonic combined, that is a fact also they were highly intelligent as well as deadly which is identified in the profile that was scanned by Jumba who made him. That doesn`t mean Cyber wasn`t intelligent and the same could be said for Sonic so I don`t see your point it just means he`s more skilled and a more personalized profession. Yeah right lol, they would of ran away and you what about Shadow who is skilled? Being a soldier doesn`t make you skilled its the mind that wields the weapon that determines skill also I haven`t seen anything better from Sonic or anybody else related to him even Shadow, are you going to say that Shadow somehow is better and actually has aim when he needs a locking system? I wouldn`t really mind, and I actually do nothing is being misconstrued. Stitch still dodged them and him dodging fire in comparison to what Kenshin does is different, Stitch doesn`t them from all angles and he doesn`t possess that level of speed his mobility is important. Kenshin using his God Speed as well in a lot of situations and he has harnessed energy with equipment or processed them, I already posted when he absorbed energy from both of Sparky and what Jumba channeled so that alone is more impressive than what you have shown me from Sonic thus far. My point was that he has tot hide my point is that Stitch can take cover and use his military mind frame to scope out Sonic`s speed as well as find out the ways in which he works, infrared furthers this fact as Stitch can easily find counters and solutions to Sonic`s speed. Its strong but its not strong enough it can move as fast it wants but if Stitch has shown to have taken more damage and have a healing factor more than Sonic has shown to fight to overcome against then we would know the output. makes a difference. Even with all that factored it doesn`t change the fact that Stitch has can tolerate more pain and the problem is Sonic wouldn`t be able to reach Stitch if he`s climbing trees or is camouflaged also Sonic builds up acceleration to increase offensive output that is what you forgot that is an important element to his speed and attacks he usually builds up to increase damage by that time Stitch can be long gone especially after analyzing him with his different abilities and etc. And he is, his plans if you realize never actually better also he even needs helps against opponents such as the Deadly Six who are not even that impressive they are threats but to standards not really and to further this fact, Eggman doesn`t only need help for things he cannot even handle with his so called armies also has trouble with low level Sonic characters not just Sonic himself he receives fairs amount of challenges from Tails and the rest. Those Leroy clones were cloned from Leroy but it doesn`t mean they were as strong as him and a lot of the aliens are actually more powerful than Stitch in some ways so I don`t see your point, Stitch got cloned at point but even then it was later admitted that they were different and not as powerful. He received help during Sonic Adventures, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Colors and even Sonic X that counts as more help than Stitch organizing a battle against Leroy even then he took on the main threat who was the most powerful, and he overwhelmed him at one point so your point is invalid. If Stitch was on Sonic Earth he would of taken care of Eggman the high tiers mentioned are not a big deal considering even Eggman himself needed Sonic`s help when fighting unimpressive opponents and Stitch had more villainy going on in his universe he didn`t only take on Leroy, Cyber, Evile, Hamsterviel but he also took on himself and fought enemies in alternative worlds. Sonic takes a lot of detours not every adventure spells disaster even when Stitch is not taking on bad forces he has to face life and death situations he`s equipped for combat more than Sonic is. I could say the same for Sonic not having a chance against Leroy because of how powerful he was and the fact that it took a lot to overcome him, Stitch has comes across technologies that are more advanced as well as less simplistic than Eggman`s technology the feats are there. If Emerl loss and did not have the capacity to keep up with Sonic wouldn`t that mean that Emerl was never that strong or fast to begin with when it came to beating Sonic? This goes back to my previous point about Emerl not putting his powers to great use, Amazo was pretty much the same but it didn`t mean he was invincible and he put his powers to far better use more than Emerl did and he fougth stronger as well as a numerous amount of opponents if Emerl was so smart and powerful he wouldn`t of miscalculated like that which is why I question him, Sonic and the feat because he didn`t even use his own 100% he had all that power but didn`t put it to use. None of what you state here debunks my argument or make any difference, Evile was legitimately stronger than Stitch and he still lose he put his abilities to better use than Emerl did, Leroy was Stitchs equal in some regard and he had more resource but still lost, Cyber had armies but he was powerful and a lot older than Stitch but he still lost, Sonic`s enemies on the other hand who I will list are not that impressive or as passive. Eggman only gives Sonic problems. because of his machines and Chaos Emeralds also speaking of which, Sonic isn`t the only one he loses to and he can`t even solve his own problems to top it off, Sonic even needs assistance against him even the Classic Version. Emerl had all those abilities and didn`t even put them to good use he was designed himself to be Sonic`s superior yet he still lost, Metal Sonic required help to be beaten and even then he didn`t do anything really impressive. Sonic would need help that`s for sure, they all would go all out unlike Eggman or Emerl also speed can only get you so far when fighting opponents like these and Stitch would beat Sonic`s enemies as well. Leroy and Cyber came closer to conquering the world than Eggman ever did... Also Eggman needed help from Sonic a couple of times only attempt to backstab him even in Sonic X he`s a slacker he has his robots doing the majority of his work for him to no avail and his ideas never get better or they never really evolve. Cyber on the other hand came close to fulfilling his mission and he has it all orchestrated by himself, Stitch`s villains aim for more than just the earth too. Stitch even in alternative reality that`s pretty much a true and trustworthy scenario that was supposed to happen showed Stitch as a ruler over the earth through embracing his more alien and monstrous side that was evil, like that hasn`t already happened and Eggman slacks off because he not only fails, is put to shame but he is made to be a laughing stock only with the Chaos Emeralds something he could be said and considered but on his own he`s never really done much. Stitch would definitely stop Eggman with his superior intelligence and Eggman is so irresponsible in how he operates his own machines, I could do the same for Stitch so it wouldn`t prove anything.

I recall all of stitch's gear and none will come close to playing a factor on any of sonic's big enemies. Iblis trigger, definitely not, Solaris, not even close mephiles? oh god no. Dark Gaia? nope. Erazor? nope Merlina? nope. And like i said for so many times, sonic never received help against metal sonic. That was only Neo Metal Sonic. And besides heroes and advance when did he get help from his friends?

Cool, but everything that has been said, has also been true thus far and its not, you haven`t proven so if we are to start counting as well as comparing feats which are inapplicable, inconsistent, immeasurable and indefinable what you have shown for Sonic would be controversial which includes his comic feats which are blatantly and obviously not the same as what is shown in his games, which is the whole of the canon.

I can apply the same thing towards you so easily with the lilo and stitch anime which made stitch into superman. What you mean the light speed thing from sonic the comic? and the black hole feat? i wasn't serious about those at all. I only posted them just to show sarcasm, why do you think i didn't respond to your replies to them? I didn't take the supernova feat seriously at all. Its too inconsistent to even think about it and not consider it PIS.

And why is that? Stitch has proven himself worthy, he`s deemed worthy from what I have presented and provided Stitch is more than enough to keep up with Sonic without the need for the turning gears. I don`t see how that point matters considering when Stitch adapts he finds ways to overcome the odds things he`s not supposed to and he can find ways around it like crawling, maneuvering, cloaking and etc. You see, its more than just running up and down, running right behind Sonic like there is race about to rip the world apart all there needs is the right things to nullify and neutralize that speed a good example being Flash and Captain Cold, he`s nowhere as fast as Flash but he still finds ways to overcoming and surprising his speed. None of it was PIS either and Flash is way faster than Sonic so your saying he`s not going to get tagged or that Stitch being able to outsmart him isn`t more important than just having the speed?

Flash and captain cold is such a god awful example:

Flash was saying that CC's field of cold energy forces his molecules to slow down, slowing down his reaction time, his speed, and sensory neurons when he is too close to him. Thats a bad example.

I said this several times during the debate, if stitch could genetically/physically alter his body to better withstand certain situations, such as durability, speed, reaction time etc. He could potentially take on anyone in fiction that isn't a reality warper or some form of hax user. That logic is not applicable since stitch has shown clear limits.

You do your closing first then i'll do mine.

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@neongamewave: Let me respond to your most recent post and then i'll do my conclusion then you do yours or vice versa.

Same with Stitch and as promised, I will be showcasing how truly powerful Stitch can be. Not true and highly false, Stitch uses his own standard weaponry such as a laser pulse ray, energy nets and even he uses his wit at one point he used his saliva to have an intelligently programmed AI system fooled also he can conjure up acidic substances that can melt through most things. Stitch only goes Hulk mode when pushed passed the edge or when he`s in a hyperactive mode and that`s pretty rare considering even in those points of time he uses a great deal of his genetically incorporated genus mind to figure out problems and solve them he`s not a lumbering monster like Hulk or Jason Voorhees is in the sense that he loses control and loses sensibility. And it doesn`t matter if he uses it differently or unconventionally the fact is he`s a lot smarter than Sonic by miles, that is a fact he`s much more aware, significant and impressive when it comes to pure planning or just figuring out a situation. He has limits but it doesn`t change the fact that he can lock and surpass those limits his limits are gauged by mostly his strength but that won`t be a problem when in dealing with a physical inferior like Sonic and when the house landed on Stitch no noticeable and notable signs of damage were done even when Lilo`s house fell on Stitch he came out of it like nothing had transpired. Like Stitch can do the same and better? Stitch without a propelling mechanism smashed through Cyber`s ships, Leroy`s equipment and the one time he propelled himself into Gantu`s ship he showcased the consistent strength of being able to tear it apart and those ships are much larger as they are a lot more durable than houses they destroy as well as park on large destinations. You miss the point entirely as you speculative with that reason, it would matter considering Stitch has caught and overcome opponents who were much faster and stronger than him who actually can even hurt him those opponents failed regardless also Stitch doesn`t have to catch or subdue Sonic by direct contact all he needs to is to use the environment and adapting means Stitch can become accustomed as well as more match worthy for Sonic`s speed eventually he will have Sonic trapped or outlasted in regards to stamina which is something speed cannot save you from even the fastest of characters need rest. I watched the Disney show, I watched some of the anime show and I watched some of the movies as well as refreshed my memory with research and I have to say that Stitch is actually really credibly consistent when it comes to adapting even Jumba made note of this and he would know more than anybody, he created Stitch. Also Stitch is exposed to many experiences and situations where the odds are against him Sonic receives more help than Stitch does by a lot and that alone weakens your argument. My logic wasn`t that Stitch can adapt and win, my logic was Stitch can adapt to Sonic and find ways to win, you see the difference? Your logic that Sonic is too fast for Stitch doesn`t make sense or fall under the category of being rationally or reasonably true when even opponents who are not as fast or classified in the hypersonic range have tagged Sonic or made a mess of him and they weren`t as smart or as well experienced as Stitch was and the enemies Stitch fights actually are on his level to a degree that can be measured you can`t say the same about Sonic which is why many times he either needs the Chaos Emeralds or his friends to help him, I played the games, read the comics and I followed Sonic for a long time, I would know.

Alright then. But his guns are not standard at all. The only time i seen stitch with those weapons is in certain situations, and even those times were rare, and in the first movie IIRC.Besides i honestly believe that none of that will even touch sonic. And using saliva to trick a CPU? how does that work? Post please? Thats not true, i looked at the american dragon battle again and stitch was fighting on sole instinct, nothing he did was over the top intelligent. I bet if i look hard enough i can find people who are mentally challenged in comparison to stitch doing the same thing he was. Like i said stitch's feats for DURABILITY not exactly pain tolerance, are inconsistent. He goes from tanking point blank explosions to getting beat down by Kixx.(who based on feats alone not powerscaling is probably below knuckles.) Aware? in terms of what exactly? Significant? in terms of what exactly? and impressive? only in terms of durability and intelligence, and a very intellectual friend told me that Academic Intelligence is not the same as Wisdom. And both can be scaled differently. By your logic of adaption he can physically change, by that sole logic stitch can solo fiction. (Wonderwoman? stitch adapts and somehow wins. Flash? Stitch adapts by changing his muscle control SOMEHOW and beats flash, Superman? he SOMEHOW adapts to superman's strength and overpowers him. No if he was purposely made that way then he wouldn't be losing in each episode then rationally thinking how to beat his cousins.) Against sparky like i said he wasn't really chasing him. And even then his speed is actually highly questionable in the first place. There is never any bruises or cuts or wounds on stitch or sonic when they get beat up so thats just lazy animators at work. Smashed through cyber's ships? i don't recall that, i recall him ramming his ship into cyber's and surviving the explosion. Ummm what about kixx? He overpowered stitch with agility, speed, and pure striking force. And the only way he could win was because of lilo's help. Using the environment won't work at all like i said before sonic has adapting to all kinds of situations himself. Although sonic's ability to adapt is not the same as stitch's its still pretty damn good regardless. Throwing trees or coconuts won't work at all, sonic can either hit them back towards stitch or just dodge them and close in for attacks. Sonic would need to rest? not really, sonic seems to have a crap ton of stamina, running several thousand miles and turning out fine, crossing mountain ranges and turning out fine, destroying eggman's fleet and still had enough stamina to go after eggman's final fleet in sonic heroes, i can go scourge for more examples if needed. Actually no your logic was he adapts and win due to the fact that you kept on bringing up sparky and zap who are both questionable in terms of speed and said that since stitch was taking them on he can do the same for sonic. Besides sonic's friends who are all in the mach speed range, who else has tagged sonic may i ask? And i asked several times, when has sonic received help, REAL HELP in order to win fights? He only needed the chaos emeralds for big bosses who were realistically too powerful to take down in base. Are you telling me stitch would have beaten, Perfect Chaos, Dark Gaia, Solaris, Time Eater, etc. himself? And merlina(black knight) and Erazor? And the deadly six?(who are basically no different then stitch except in terms of durability.) By himself with no form of intel or help or prep time or any form of equipment?(by the way sonic had no help beating the deadly six.) Stitch receives intel for nearly every experiment he fought. So i have no idea what you mean by when you say stitch had no form of help in comparison to sonic.

Now that`s impressive in the regard of handling and homing a weapon but that`s an irrelevant feat in the likes of skill due to the fact that Sonic doesn`t usually carry around weapons also it`s not present in this match, Stitch on the other hand is a true combatant, he masters and navigates through warfare but he also blows stuff up with skill, piloting and knowledge. Stitch would easily wield a sword too and wreck that dragon, Stitch has fought creatures like that before. Stitch wielded a chainsaw once and used it on instinct instead of impulse. Here is a whole entire list of Experiment 626`s abilities as confirmed by Jumba himself and it counters your senses point also, Sonic has nothing on Stitch.

You are not considering how that is a feat for adaption, he simply picked up the sword and started using it like a pro, that shows that sonic can adapt pretty well to certain conditions.

Taking into consideration how he wrecked Shadow, Blaze, and Knuckles(alternate versions but basically the same in terms of power.) With sword skill when he took no training what so ever shows so much its not even funny. Masters and navigates through warfare. Huh, i guess the multiple times when sonic raided eggman's fleets or the death egg or eggman land or one of eggman's large death traps never happened. Blowing stuff up? Oh sonic never has done that huh? And with skill, ummm im pretty sure sonic precisely dodges gun fire, lasers, missles, etc. all while taking out robots effortlessly. Piloting skills play no factor besides sonic had his own airplane. He is no tails but he knows how to fly it pretty well.

And i saw nothing in that video that came out of jumba's mouth that i wouldn't see in decently designed robots made by eggman.

Stitch has done so before with equipment and tech that is far more advanced as well as complex while fighting hundreds of warships, enemy drones and militarized vehicles being employed on a rate that is more than riskier than that of the stakes and also Stitch has wielded weapons like swords before he has swung with more power and experience than Sonic has, Sonic utilized his speed and other resources so it wasn`t just a pure takedown. Stitch would do the same if he went up against King Arthur and he would of done it quicker thanks to his intelligence.

http://watch32.com/movies-online/leroy-&-stitch-5197

31:00 - 32:10

Stitch when battling Leroy uses a steel styled stick that is actually much stronger considering its apart of the alien composed compartments and he battles Leroy in different areas the reason why I am showing this is that its not hard to pick up a long range weapon and start swinging I could easily say Stitch is skilled as much as Sonic is (he is actually in more ways than one) but it takes more proof to confirm the convincing. Stitch even had Leroy sucked into a venting system that cut him all up it just goes to show that Stitch is willing to try anything at anytime and he equalized Leroy in skill who was supposed to be a superior to him in the first place.

Quicker? i highly doubt it. Like i said academic intelligence is not the same as wisdom/knowledge. Plus

Thats not an impressive showing at all, i seen so many people do that in fiction even street levelers, and it doesn't show as much skill as what sonic was showing with the sword in any way shape or form. Sonic was using the sword as if he was already a master of it according to merlina.

Stitch even had leroy sucked into a venting system. Considering, how leroy lost all his hair and had no wounds on him i will take that more of a toony situation then a showing of a lack of morals.

Wreck stuff in multiple ways that Sonic wouldn`t be able to if it weren`t for his speed what has Sonic done that is so special without speed? You can`t really name me anything its because in comparison to Stitch he can`t do much, Stitch has figured out how to bypass super advanced artificial intelligences, create gadgets, use four arms to overwhelm threats and Sonic is not clumsy or way in over his head that might the get the best of him far faster especially since he`ll believe that Stitch wouldn`t be able to catch him also the opponents Stitch have fought say otherwise he`s fought way smarter and insightful opponents. The only ones you could list as legitimate wins are Eggman but he`s worse than Gantu and the other`s aren`t worth mentioning especially since Sonic received help a lot of the time.

Sonic when it comes to talking trash is no different from spiderman or deadpool. He would fight and take down his opponents while simultaneously throwing around sarcasm or jokes. Sonic may not look like it but he is on guard most of the time. Eggman being worse than gantu is ridiculously considering how virtually everyone in the stitch universe has either stomped him(experiments) outsmarted him(regular characters like lilo, pleakly, jumba etc. along with the experiments.) Or just straight up make him look like a joke.(stitch) Eggman has mainly been taken down by sonic and shadow and blaze. IIRC. And has shown far more impressive showings then gantu. You know what? lets do a CAV. Gantu vs Eggman, all resources available to both within legit canon(no BS such as scourging other forms of canon for supposedly consistent or comparable showings from the anime. and lets see who wins. So sonic received help beating blaze? Beating shadow on multiple occasions? beating silver? beating rouge twice in sonic battle? beating knuckles on several occasions? Taking down eggman in several of their fights a extremely large majority of them sonic being the only one fighting? He received help beating the deadly six? because i heavily recall tails,knuckles, and amy not helping even once in defeating them. Shall i continue? And if i recall correctly, stitch received intel or assistance in taking down a majority of the experiments jumba created.

I remember this technique and it`s a cool move but Sonic is going to need more than just flashy tricks to get the better of Stitch.

The move has been used to launch giant robots and rip off shielding off of robots...... so i don't see how its flashy besides it being blue lol.

That`s speculation on your part and if I`m not mistaken a lot of the Archie Comics - Sonic stuff is not directly related to the games it`s like an alternative universe and a lot of the fundamentals are different, for Stitch it`s actually pretty much the same.

Sonic has created tornadoes in multiple games by speed alone, and in sonic o6 sonic created a tornado in a similar fashion to the scan i showed. i really don't see why it would be so hard for him to do it like this considering all sonic is doing is spinning himself...... For stitch its the same? thats why he tanked a supernova in the anime right? thats the same as the movie and the disney show? Because dear god i can post the entire series on comic vine right now and not a single feat would suggest he can tank a supernova. Same goes for the movies. Plus that would mean that enemies who actually harmed stitch after that situation have attacks with equal amount of a supernova if not more since he came out unharmed. Plus you said any feats can be used from any form of media as long as the feat itself is compatible and consistent enough to be applicable.

Now this technique could be something interesting for Stitch to battle against but the enemies Sonic faces in comparison to Stitch are nothing and even if the technique causes Stitch to lose balance it won`t do much damage especially since Stitch can just keep Sonic on his toes with energy beams or acidic plasma beams.

8:10 - 8:30, emphasizing my point on experiment 323`s speed it was so fast it left in a hurry and couldn`t be seen by Gantu and the rest of the residents also Stitch utilized water to catch it what`s more impressive is not necessarily the height of its speed but because it is a smaller target and this highlights Stitch`s marksmanship.

Sonic won't be kept on his toes at all. He would honestly just dodge it effortlessly. I wouldn't be surprised if he could kick back one at stitch.

You are completely over exaggerating this all together. The bird pecked him and flew away, gantu was not paying attention, and right after the bird left he finally turned around. Plus a human could do the same thing just by moving to the side....... Plus 323 was completely still so how may i ask is it impressive that stitch took it down?

7:40 - 17:00 and onwards, Stitch literally absorbs enhanced lightning into his body that is extremely and unprofitably dangerous as made note of by Jumba who was conducting an activity, the lightning comes from that of a powerful energy generator as well as from Sparky. Stitch takes in an output that is greater than that of an entire forest/town, one can, is powerful enough to light up that amount of area as well as radius. Stitch consumed up to eight or nine and or even more by my count it did nothing to him despite the deadly dangerous of lightning and electricity he absorbed it as well as adapted to it by using it productively in which he charged systems/sources and he used it for combat as well now that this adaption right there that you cannot complain about. Stitch absorbed it all into his body and as shown before in other instances the electricity generated from Sparky could paralyze or stun him but at a more maximum level it did absolutely nothing and the output was sustained inside of his body this is more creative as well as impressive than Sonic using his speed the old fashion and dated way of just generating miniature whirlwinds. Did you see how fast Stitch moved when he was empowered with electrical flow? He moved at Sonic level speeds or better and the question you may ask is why does this matter? It matters because Stitch adapted during the situation and he made use of the power in more ways than one if that was Sonic he would be rendered useless, also whose not to say Stitch wouldn`t replicate this risky move once lightning storms start coming in? Sparky`s abilities are more advanced than typical lightning but these events occur within the proximity and natures of a rainforest. The area in which this fight is located supports the ideas as well, I don`t see why it would be a problem.

Interesting but i didn't see any speed feats or combat speed feats that put him anywhere near sonic's level. Once lightning storms come in? but how do we know that stitch will be given the same effect? we don't know the exact output of an exact lightning bolt. And we sure as hell don't know the exact output for Sparky. Also sonic has used his break dancing skills along with his speed to create new attacks in combat in sonic battle according to emerl's data. And sonic also creates long range shockwaves just by spinning at high speeds. He can do this on ground and in mid-air.

Fair enough but I don`t see anything special other then Knuckles failing and Stitch is way stronger than Knuckles with just two arms, not four arms. I`ll get to that in a bit and once I do you`ll understand why Sonic is not strong enough to down Stitch.

1st video

Stitch is being constrained and crushed by two massive gigantic arms that also crushed his fairly durable highly advanced traveling vehicle and Stitch broke out of it with no difficulties also that`s not even his true strength. Stitch would of been able to hold back Knuckles and wreck him far more impressively than Sonic showing tricks that were up his sleeve.

Now in regards to the wind stuff and everything else related to it.

Knuckles can cause tremors by punching the ground....

Knuckles can punch a target so hard that he can cause explosions. And he can punch fast enough to set his hands on fire.(he has done this in the sonic advance series, and in sonic heroes.) I don't see stitch putting him down as easily as you say.(knuckles would sure as hell get beaten but i don't see him getting stomped.)

15:38 - 16:50

Stitch creates massive water ruptures when swimming and he storms the boat by storm keep in mind that these fish men had magical powers they can create animals out of nothing with magic, Stitch broke the spell that was conformed with the Octopus and this was confirmed by the leader also he tossed the Octopus like nothing, as well as the large pirate ship, he wrecked the Octopus, Octopus weigh around 15 kg (33 lb) according to this source -

http://www.ask.com/question/how-much-does-an-octopus-weigh

And ships usually way 1000 - 500,000 ibs according to the same source -

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_a_pirate_ship_weigh?#slide=1

That`s how strong Stitch is when not using his maximum strength also imagine what he can do with the rainforest due to that strength he carries and if the fight were to take a turn to a more watery basis or ground level. I wouldn`t be surprised considering the dynamic of Sonic`s fights and his fighting, things around him usually change. Stitch would have the upper hand although both have problems and troubles with swimming (funny right). Stitch has the edge due to him adapting as well as in many appearances learning to overcome that drawback but the right would reach epic heights nonetheless :)

17:40 - 18:35 - Everything you have shown me from Sonic going underwater to creating whirlwinds is nothing compared to what Stitch does here, creating ideas and neat tricks with a simple sneeze is more impressive than manipulating the friction and forces of the air which is predictable to Sonic`s speed anyway. Stitch after being launched from a great distance and a great speed while in the air manages to create a HUGE tornado forget whirlwinds, in which he launches himself at the captain and has him knocked out this makes what Sonic did look like child`s play.

Pretty sure sonic can lift 33 pounds. Even a regular human who doesn't even weight lift can. Hell my bookbag weighs like 40 pounds and i carry it with me to school all the time.

And those are two different sources.

When not using his maxuim strength? i don't think so. Stitch can only lift 3000 times his own weight, stitch is probably about 100 pounds at best. And thats only 300,000 thousand. And Hamesterviel showed that even a feather more than his maximum weight is too much for stitch.

I feel this is just PIS/Toon Force. I have no reason to believe that he can just sneeze up a tornado. Plus sonic can traverse underwater via spins.(remember sonic colors?)

Unlike stitch who needs a suit in order to move under water.

Stitch in later appearances learns to get over water and Sonic has problems swimming as well.

Now this could work to a degree but Stitch has been forced back and hit with the force of dark energy that was capable of far greater destruction so a little breeze in a spherical splash fashion one do a thing in the long run and in the long term. As shown above that is nothing compared to what Stitch has done and can do in his more vivid imagination.

The fact that it can do decent damage to shadow is more than enough for me to believe that it can at least force him back if not harm him or distract him.

He doesn`t need to considering he could create gadgets that could nullify the technique and Stitch won`t stay on ground level forever he will be crawling up the trees, hiding in places Sonic wouldn`t find him and etc.

How do you nullify afterimages? That makes no sense. Afterimages are afterimages. You don't just negate them. Sonic could easily tear the trees down just by spin dashing through the forest(which at hypersonic speeds wouldn't be a big deal at all.) Stitch will have to come out eventually to take down sonic.

I don`t see how this in particular at the speed of light but even if I were to pass this as true, I still don`t see how that translates to output that would be able to outdamage Stitch`s durability.Lol there was no light speed attack and Sonic received help so that feat is void, its like saying Sora from Kingdom Hearts when teaming up with his Party members, Donald and Goofy to do the team attack or Tornado Fusion. They were not going at light speed that is super-sonic speed at best to standard hypersonic speed. If I`m not mistaken, Stitch has caught missiles before and missiles move pretty darn fast.

It was used the same way it was used in sonic adventure DX. Wait, Wait Wait, what does sora, donald and goofy have to do with this at all in any way shape or form? Plus:

Not true, you haven`t shown this and that doesn`t mean its like speed. What I mean is that Sora, Donald and Goofy use a technique that propels Goofy through massive speed outbursts yet I wouldn`t even say he is hypsersonic and Sonic needed help to accomplish that also its not consistent with his character.

Thats a good example of an impact at the speed of light.

Lol, Zoom uses time manipulation to change the perception around him he doesn`t move as fast as Flash does and how does this go back to Sonic? Superman doing it, that is also by acceleration and even a bloodlusted Superman cannot do that, the scan below explains this regardless Zolomon`s punches are not as powerful as being perceived here.

If you want real combat feats, here they are. Stitch after being sucked into a wormhole takes on the alternative version of himself dodging highly charged energy beams while crawling a flat surface. He eats the other Stitch`s weapons and he was only held back because of Yuna which she even identified herself yet he was putting up quite the fight even when not particularly armed and this shows that Stitch can take on armed opponents who are skilled or immersed in weaponry.

I don't see how any of that compares to what was shown in the Sonic OVA. In fact sonic can do everything stitch did in that video except eat the weapons but better. To add, everything in that video sonic has done except carrying that giant slab of rock in the OVA.

Stitch fighting an opponent whose not only himself and is actually skilled with weapons also Sonic is impressive but that Stitch would really give Sonic a hard time and that feat shows Stitch battling someone of good skill. Everything Sonic did, Stitch can do and do better without having to use speed to amplify anything.

Knuckles it tough but not too tough he always acts on a sense of pride like Vegeta does and he`s trained but not expertly trained. Stitch is far better trained and has been a participant in many space wars that threaten worlds. It doesn`t mean he`s inconsistent by any means it means he can time and react to those types of speeds, he doesn`t have to be those speed. It actually is considering the lighting he was programmed with came from one of the experiments who manipulate actual lightning and authentic lightning not enhanced or anything and that idea that you have imposed as been debunked already, your misinterpreting the actual point itself. Like Stitch hasn`t fought and beaten supersonic characters or characters who utilize telekinetic abilities, also Knuckles, and Silver based on feats are not as fast as Sonic and they were able to get to him also even Eggman has given him trouble another point is Sonic like Superman needs to build up speed to get to certain velocities it doesn`t just happen and he has trouble sometimes aerially if there`s isn`t a form of scenery and external environment involved. Lol, like Cyber and Leroy aren`t geniuses, if Eggman is such a genius he wouldn`t being made a mockery of in Sonic X (that I watched and enjoyed), his equipment isn`t special its nothing that Gantu or Cyber don`t have and that is by your speculation, in my analysis his feats are interchangebale he has done more damage he has threatened worlds when Eggman only and mainly deals with that of the earth, Eggman doesn`t compare to Cyber either who had a bomb great enough to destroy the galaxy or even reality. Also that is not true, with his inventions he was defeated by Sonic pretty easily and his inventions don`t get any better with time which is the problem he doesn`t improve, my Team Rocket comparison is spot on. No I am not, you are downplaying the Stitch universe considering how Eggman is even being compared when Stitch defeated a much highly intelligent and ruthless opponent also Sonic receives help unlike Stitch so that works against you on all accounts.

Still won't change the fact that knuckles is a powerful combatant in general. And that sonic has toyed with him easily. Lightning coming from a artificial source cannot be assumed to be the same as lightning coming from the sky. The only supersonic foes stitch really fought that i recall is zap and possibly sparky. Actually sonic is not like superman at all:

Skip to 0:23 watch till 0:29 as you can see he easily boosted from his current speed.

And one of my favorites:

Not really he has very little trouble going through dangerous areas.

1:18 - 1:25

This place was basically a hell hole and sonic got through just fine. He adapted to every single change the level had, going from barrages of auto-targeting missiles, to roller coasting while avoiding threats.(which he must have been having fun doing since he could have just continued running normally. ) Honestly the video is pretty self-explanatory that sonic can adapt to his surroundings with ease.

Knuckles was basically breaking the sound barrier in the sonic advance games. And he was pretty much to an extent keeping up with sonic in fights(combat speed and travel speed are incredibly different.) and in sonic heroes. Even if he was classified as the slowest. Silver was basically faster than blaze via telekinesis. And blaze was not that far away from sonic and shadow in terms of speed.

He was to a small degree, I`ve seen it and played it for myself. Sparky breaks the sound barrier too but all it took was Stitch to use his intelligence to win and Knuckles on many other consistent accounts has been bested in speed by Sonic so that doesn`t make sense its like Superman trying to tag Flash whose not using his true speed and both are just having a sparring/casual contest, they are different and I always go over this in my other debates. But that`s not pure speed and Stitch has fought faster opponents that were faster than he was but he ended up still winning.

Dude, the sonic x incarnation of eggman is so much different from the game incarnation on so many levels. Plus the only reason robotnik looks like such a fool in your eyes is due to the fact that sonic easily beats him. Sonic himself always mentions how easy it is to beat eggman regardless of what he does.

Some examples of egghead giving sonic trouble? Some specific examples?

The castle was shaken if you look closely, the room vibrated and was shaken more retrospectively, Stitch caused things to explode too with only two arms lol. Much larger and harder things, Knuckles usually gives it his all when in punching something his hardest punches can even be misdirected by weaker opponents as for Stitch it takes stronger or equally strong opponents to even challenge him. Not true, and faster enemies actually tag him the small in usual who would tag him were evenly matched ones and he didn`t have trouble catching 323 forever, he caught the experiment shortly after, why is that because it`s not as flashy or fancy as Sonic`s highlighted speed. That`s downplaying a feat that fairly happened on more than one basis and reaction speed regardless if just as impressive considering Stitch was trapped also he had to deal with more than just lightning.

Ok lets assume i am downplaying the feat, it wouldn't change that there are other cases of him getting speed blitzed such as when he fought Kixx who seems to only have spiderman level speed if not far less.

Cyber was the same in the sense that he can scan and read for techniques or abilities also he was enhanced it wasn`t only and specifically Cyber but Evile as well who possessed over hundreds of abilities from different experiments including Stitch he was supposed to be smarter than Stitch and more deadly. It doesn`t really matter considering Sonic actually needed help and I doubt he would be able to handle Emerl alone, Stitch took down Emerl and Evile all on his own as he had to stop the intergalactic bomb from going off. Sonic did receive help and Emerl wasn`t the only one to take on Sonic either so that isn`t true, Sonic in other mediums took on Emerl with resource, help or just the plot.

Scan and read for techniques? im going to need you to show me some combat showcases of cyber doing such things. SONIC FOUGHT EMERL ONE ON ONE AT THE END OF SONIC BATTLE, HE HAD NO FORM OF HELP WHAT SO EVER. ALL HE DID WAS TELEPORT UP THERE THEN FOUGHT HIM, THE END. And what does other people fighting sonic have to do with anything. What resources did he took on emerl with may i ask? What help did sonic get to take on emerl? And plot? i can say that for multiple of stitch's greatest fights.

Not true, Sonic did receive help in many cases beyond those instances and Stitch receives intel in some cases most times he`s all on his own, Lilo barely helps or pitches in. When Stitch fought Evile he was on his own, when he fought Leroy he was on his own and had to gather a team on a large scale all on his own, he took on Hamsterviel all on his own the stronger opponents like Metal Sonic, Emerl and even Eggman Sonic would need help for Shadow, Silver, Erazor and etc he has received a form of help or plot device. Jumba tell him in regards to what he is up against but he doesn`t help Stitch or give him resources even when Stitch does comes into contact with the experiments, surprises are shown and this happened with Cyber. False, Sonic is given insight and he knows what he is getting himself into even when up against Eggman most times he doesn`t even do it alone he has to rely on his friends which Stitch doesn`t really have a lot of his times. Not true and no I haven`t I have given proof for the adaption also the argument centers more around Sonic`s speed than anything else. Sonic needed Eggman`s help in Sonic adventure 2 and even in Sonic Unleashed he was tricked by Eggman of all people who is not as smart as Cyber or Leroy int he slightest they would laugh at him most of his equipment was already built by Hamsterviel who you can say is the Eggman of the Stitch universe but he`s more excusable in some situations and even in Sonic Lost World, Sonic was fooled by Eggman also he needed his help. Sonic was even killed by Mephiles during Sonic the Hedgehog and Silver needed to revive him that woudn`t of happened to Stitch the way it did to Sonic.

You keep saying this but you are not proving it. Sonic never needed help for metal sonic, or emerl. Barely needs help against eggman and why the hell would he need help for shadow if sonic has defeated shadow on multiple occasions?! He beated silver twice, and why need help beating erazor? And if you keep saying its all plot device i can BS and say the same thing for all of stitch's fights. Actually jumba has given stitch resources such as guns and cars and scientific modifications. Sonic is given info about the situation, not info about exactly his opponent's limits, abilities and etc. Stop trying to twist it. And i already stated that sonic barely needs help. And i already asked for specific examples. Actually sonic predicted eggman would trick him in lost world. Sonic was distracted! Of course he is going to get stabbed and the same thing would sure as hell happen to stitch since there is nothing that suggest otherwise.

Awesome :) I agree, I am aware of this, I played and beaten Shadow the Hedgehog. Stitch has been exposed to that type of training as well more within the space range. I don`t see how Stitch or Evile wouldn`t be able to fight Emerl to a standstill either considering how powerful and smart they are compared to Sonic they don`t need to rely on their speed aspects too much. He was and is more deadly than Emerl was, Shadow is a deadly viper but Evile was a true killer and he was brutal as well when it came to pushing the envelope. Stitch was familiar with them but he wasn`t on their best terms and he didn`t develop any kind of attachment to them the only genuine one being Sparky. Sonic on the other hand is best friends with Tails, Knuckles, Amy and etc. Sure, here is the clip.

How may i ask is he more deadly than emerl? Emerl has every single sonic character from sonic battle recorded into his databanks and he can combine all of those fighting styles into one. Hundreds of varied combinations, geokinesis, high level physical strength, hypersonic speeds, melee skills, boxing skills, Malleability manipulation, time and space manipulation, several fire arms and weapons, etc. I really don't see at all how stitch is more deadly.

I know and that is my point lol, for the fact he needed assistance in the first place supports my argument he didn`t just beat him twice consistently in base form it required circumstance. I am just making a reference and a good one at that considering a lot of Sonic`s feats in the comics, Sonic X and even key titles in the game series required of him his Super Form or Chaos Control so that needs to be factored in most of the time Stitch is performing awesome feats casually without the use of his alien form. Yes he does but he`s not someone I would rank on the level of Evile or Leroy he`s good but not that good he`s even needed Sonic`s help on multiple occasions (games I`ve played thoroughly) to challenge Sonic and even needs the Chaos Emeralds to operate his plans he`s not self independent most of the time a lot of times he needs a controversial energy source to back him while Stitch`s enemies use their own intelligence to get the whole 100% done. Its not just that its his competence, composure and characterizations he`s not done anything that wasn`t already done by Hamsterviel who doesn`t even compare to Cyber or Leroy also Stitch has built gadgets to nullify state of the art weaponry, to solve problems and he`s used his mind to make light situations that are world ending. I`ve played those games and seen those games, while Sonic can adapt its usually to the same kind of environments when Stitch can adapt to environments, enemies and even surprises that he`s not too aware of. Durability low? Lol, like getting cut open once by something very sharp and abnormal then healing pretty quickly? Being literally crushed and then getting up afterwards getting electrocuted with no marks and then bouncing back up where Sonic`s durability feats? Even if we are to go with your logic is pain tolerance being high is a big deal when we are to factor in his endurance, stamina and headstrong forwardness he can take more punishment, he can dish out more punishment and he has the will to come out of the experience as the same Stitch, we don`t really see Sonic tanking anything special because he relies too much on his speed and sass than his stats or anything not relating to speed. Stitch is far more impressive when it comes to just outright tanking things his body is more conditioned and more heavily susceptible to the killing class all of his enemies are always out to kill him in many ways possible, if a house was thrown on Sonic, I doubt he would be able to recover as fast as Stitch did also that`s happened more than once so the consistency of the conditioning is there...

The fact that modern sonic destroyed perfect chaos easily while in comparison to a younger(in perspective) sonic who got trashed and needed the emeralds, shows that sonic has gotten stronger, and more versatile, and more skilled.

He`s dealt with worse, he`s dealt with Cyber`s which come in more numbers, are larger as they are more advanced also he`s dealt with Leroy`s as well as Hamsterviel`s with no help unlike Sonic and the thing is Eggman`s robots from all of the appearances that I have seen him unleash his plans its pretty much the same thing everytime, at least the names I mentioned try to switch it up now and then. Eggman`s showings in the Sonic comics are something to consider but even then its questionable and not entirely reliable.

Can you prove any of this? If you want we can do a comparison of every single robot model egghead has and compare it to the robots who were shooting at stitch. -.-

Like that`s in character for Sonic and like Stitch is not going to be dodging, hiding, or moving up large trees also his senses will spot out Sonic better. Your forgetting that Stitch has better tracking and homing senses he was trained to be that diversely developed from the beginning when it took Sonic a couple of years to get with the times. That is cool but nothing Stitch hasn`t done and the robots Stitch face were far larger from what you`ve shown me I`m not impressed. Stitch has used pure strength and intelligence to overwhelm far greater machines also Sonic consistently hasn`t gotten the better of Shadow, Blaze or even Rogue usually Knuckles and Silver I`m inclined to agree with Stitch he defeats opponents like Evile, Leroy, Cyber and etc who are meant to destroy him but can`t, Jumba confirms this also in regards to how different and strongly unique Stitch is. Stitch won`t just chew them up and spit them back at a faster rate? Or shoot lasers, go underground like has before by melting the ground beneath him or just ripping a hole in the middle of the ground keeping Sonic off balance? Those environments are pretty much repetitive and Stitch has adapted to more detailed places which would include the usual stuff Sonic is used to such as cities, islands, undergrounds, space and even other worlds, places with hostile environments that change rapidly over time that`s more impressive. Also Sonic never had to deal with someone having to use the environment against him like how I`m explaining here he runs through those environments with obstacles but not as being an obstacle and having that vehicle of movement used against him.

It totally is though. I already addressed this, besides sonic wouldn't just stare at him and allow him to run. And if he did as soon as he sees stitch attack from the trees he would likely run up to the top and see if he can find him if not plow through the forest with his speed. Consistently he has, gotten the better of shadow. I can show you every occasion. Blaze he defeated in combat during sonic rush. Rouge he defeated twice during sonic battle. Repetitive? can you elaborate please? "places with hostile environments that change rapidly over time that`s more impressive." Thats is basically what sonic has to deal with, and stitch throwing crap at him and tearing up the battlefield is no different from sonic running through a stage or fighting a boss who does the same things.

Not exactly true, the situations and circumstances are different. I`ve seen it in anime, video games, novels and comics but its always unique to how its overcome. Sonic needed help actually and that`s in particular Classic Sonic the difference was made official even in Sonic Generations. Stitch has faced both Evile and Leroy without much help defeating them on his own terms.

WHEN DID SONIC NEED HELP? HE RECEIVED NO HELP WHAT SO EVER WHEN HE BEATED METAL SONIC THE FIRST TIME AND BY TWICE IM REFERRING TO CLASSIC SONIC BEATING HIM TWICE(FIRST ENCOUNTER AND THEIR SECOND ENCOUNTER DURING GENERATIONS) NOT NEO METAL SONIC.

Gantu doesn't posses such resources in the actual canon. In the actual canon gantu was fired by the grand councilwoman and was forced to work for hamsterviel. And like i said sonic himself declares that battling eggman is easy for him and is a piece of cake. The fact that amy, cream and Big of all people were able to take on eggman in heroes was pure WIS and PIS since they are useless in comparison to the other teams. And seriously sonic x? sonic x made eggman look like team rocket(who is so much inferior to game canon eggman its not even funny.) No its not, and take into consideration that eggman works by himself while the damn rodent has allies and people that can aid him IIRC.

Umm classic sonic and modern sonic are the same? Barely, sonic could have quite honestly done the entire game himself, even at the end knuckles and tails were not needed. Super sonic could have took metal down. Sonic clearly knew knuckles combat weaknesses, which shows that he has some skill, he said that knuckles has allot of power but is easy to read.

Stitch is built from the ground up to take down military from that of earth and space, he has skills also Sonic hasn`t demonstrated any true form of mature skill him being crafty and lucky with a sword doesn`t prove a thing other then he can pick up something and put it to fair use without actually exploiting true experience or stylized ability. Who`s not the say Knuckles wouldn`t be able to use the sword better than or as good as Sonic did? Fighting these individuals doesn`t make him any more skilled either when a lot of the times the characters don`t regard Sonic as much or take him that seriously a lot of the time Sonic is the one praising them especially Shadow. I watched Beelzebub, and I know what its about the comparison made is very weak especially since Oga was more skilled, stronger also he was an aggressor he received enhancements over time thanks to his supernatural connections with the baby as foreshadowed in the show a better example to me would of been Yusuke from Yu Yu Hakusho and even then your point still falls flat apart. Yes he does, Saiyans are born warriors and they are built as well as programed to become warriors no matter what, Vegeta trained progressively as the series progressed if Vegeta wasn`t a skilled fighter and did not know the principles then Goku of all people (one of the most skilled martial artists of all of fiction) wouldn`t make note of it, with your logic then Piccolo, Krillin and etc shouldn`t of been able to challenge Goku, and Sonic doesn`t compare to these guys anyway so your not making any sense. I have showings to back my claims up, Stitch like Goku was built for warfare which is a default for required skill.

Crafty and lucky? How is it lucky to beat several skilled warriors easily? Especially when merlina complimented on his skill as well. Knuckles focuses on brute force and is nowhere nears as precise and calm as sonic is, so no he wouldn't be able to use it as good as sonic did. Shadow thats another story all together, especially since he has weapons experience. Oga actually winged most of his fights, even without the connection with beel. He was still kicking nearly everyone's ass. Yusuke is a bad example since he took combat training from genkai one of the greatest martial artist in the world. And when did i say sonic compared to those guys?

I could so say the same for gantu and hamsterviel. The difference is that plankton is a straight up failure and professor calamitous is nothing in comparison to him and is even worse. And please never and i mean ever compare team rocket to eggman. They are god awful at their job.Their machines are bootleg and their resources and plans make no sense its a surprise that anyone falls for such obvious tricks, they are the clowns, not Robotnik. They have no form of common sense and even in unova when they are given the appropriate tech and resources in order to succeed in virtually any mission they still somehow fail in the stupidest ways. They are the most incompetent villains i have seen in fiction and the most humorous due to their immense failures. Eggman always has a strategy in mind when utilizing some scheme. He always has multiple things planned ahead. Bowser i find unimpressive for mainly his sole purpose for besting mario, some of his strategies were interesting and clever but some of them made no sense. And all of this just to have his way with Peach. But thats not the topic here. LMAO

All this showed me was that the anime version of stitch has several inconsistent feats.

That robot was nowhere even close to being impressive in comparison to any of eggman's robot. Sonic would have one shotted that robot with utter ease before it could even register sonic's existence. Light and casual attacks you keep saying. But a light and casual attack doesn't launch giant robots several miles away from the attacker. Plus eggman has built a robot exactly like that dinosaur before and sonic has utterly wrecked it. And sonic has also dealt with a robot in a similar fashion as stitch did.

I can apply the same logic to stitch's robots. We don't know what the ships are made of despite coming from another planet.

As for stitch's alien form can you show me a direct showing and a direct difference within the same episode or time frame?(basically show me a comparison of stitch's base stats in comparison to alien stitch's stats within the same episode or time frame. mainly due to cartoons having inconsistent feats is why im asking.)

He has weapon making feats, they are there but the point is he has more to his resume to what he can do in a fighting situation than Sonic and Stitch carries weapons so regardless, he will have weapons at his disposal. Turning coconuts into sharp piercing pellets that can destroy powerful machines is something to note, or using his saliva as a acidic agent is considered a weapon and there are more but in terms of sheer gadgetry he has proven that he does indeed possess the intellect Jumba interprets this himself and he would use the surroundings as a resource. He doesn`t start off bloodlusted or enraged, Sonic is serious, I never denied that but his in character tendencies and attributes remain perfectly intact so there`s nothing stopping him from underestimating Stitch in every way possible he might even consider him to be the slowest opponent he has ever fought and to add to it, Stitch is the one who is going to be the more bloodlusted and hostile one so it doesn`t matter either way. Deadpool and Spiderman have a difference that difference being that they actually have the right to be able to do those things which comes with the back talking and humor unlike Sonic who doesn`t, he only makes use of his speed against opponents who are slower than him or who are not as taken afar in their speed.

His weapons are not standard equipment at all for stitch. And plus show me stitch building gadgets in the middle of a battle. What do you mean the right to talk smack? There is no justification for being able to talk trash and what not. Spiderman uses his reflexes and webs and what not, deadpool uses his weapons, sonic uses his speed, agility and precision, everyone has their own style of fighting. Sonic has talked smack to even shadow IIRC so i don't think there should be any complaints or any specific people he talks smack to. And like i said his in character tendencies won't affect him if he is serious. Sonic was clearly using his in character tendencies against powerful opponents before, it never has hindered his skill in combat.

That wasn`t my point neither was it my stance it`s deep than that. He can`t do everything himself but in comparison to Sonic he can do so much more things now that`s what needs to be at the center of confirmation. Why not with the right gear and the right situation, why not? Can Sonic take on Evile who is out to kill him and who is more smarter than Shadow? Not true, his feats in that game don`t prove a thing only that Sonic needed help especially in that scenario as his many other games prove he at a lot of the times receives help and even if we are to argue that Stitch receives help to its not to the same extent or to the same beneficial backing. He did and I don`t see how Stitch wouldn`t be able to do that even in Sonic X he needed the Chaos Emeralds to do a lot of the more impressively important things as I have seen for myself. Like Eggman wasn`t doing that or Metal Sonic? Now Shadow and Silver are the only ones that would be fine but even then Sonic doesn`t get on the best terms of them in terms of a battle also Cyber`s armies were shooting and aiming but you know what they were also doing? Proving themselves to be a challenge for Stitch who is trained for combat and warfare more than even Shadow or Sonic combined, that is a fact also they were highly intelligent as well as deadly which is identified in the profile that was scanned by Jumba who made him. That doesn`t mean Cyber wasn`t intelligent and the same could be said for Sonic so I don`t see your point it just means he`s more skilled and a more personalized profession. Yeah right lol, they would of ran away and you what about Shadow who is skilled? Being a soldier doesn`t make you skilled its the mind that wields the weapon that determines skill also I haven`t seen anything better from Sonic or anybody else related to him even Shadow, are you going to say that Shadow somehow is better and actually has aim when he needs a locking system? I wouldn`t really mind, and I actually do nothing is being misconstrued. Stitch still dodged them and him dodging fire in comparison to what Kenshin does is different, Stitch doesn`t them from all angles and he doesn`t possess that level of speed his mobility is important. Kenshin using his God Speed as well in a lot of situations and he has harnessed energy with equipment or processed them, I already posted when he absorbed energy from both of Sparky and what Jumba channeled so that alone is more impressive than what you have shown me from Sonic thus far. My point was that he has tot hide my point is that Stitch can take cover and use his military mind frame to scope out Sonic`s speed as well as find out the ways in which he works, infrared furthers this fact as Stitch can easily find counters and solutions to Sonic`s speed. Its strong but its not strong enough it can move as fast it wants but if Stitch has shown to have taken more damage and have a healing factor more than Sonic has shown to fight to overcome against then we would know the output. makes a difference. Even with all that factored it doesn`t change the fact that Stitch has can tolerate more pain and the problem is Sonic wouldn`t be able to reach Stitch if he`s climbing trees or is camouflaged also Sonic builds up acceleration to increase offensive output that is what you forgot that is an important element to his speed and attacks he usually builds up to increase damage by that time Stitch can be long gone especially after analyzing him with his different abilities and etc. And he is, his plans if you realize never actually better also he even needs helps against opponents such as the Deadly Six who are not even that impressive they are threats but to standards not really and to further this fact, Eggman doesn`t only need help for things he cannot even handle with his so called armies also has trouble with low level Sonic characters not just Sonic himself he receives fairs amount of challenges from Tails and the rest. Those Leroy clones were cloned from Leroy but it doesn`t mean they were as strong as him and a lot of the aliens are actually more powerful than Stitch in some ways so I don`t see your point, Stitch got cloned at point but even then it was later admitted that they were different and not as powerful. He received help during Sonic Adventures, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Colors and even Sonic X that counts as more help than Stitch organizing a battle against Leroy even then he took on the main threat who was the most powerful, and he overwhelmed him at one point so your point is invalid. If Stitch was on Sonic Earth he would of taken care of Eggman the high tiers mentioned are not a big deal considering even Eggman himself needed Sonic`s help when fighting unimpressive opponents and Stitch had more villainy going on in his universe he didn`t only take on Leroy, Cyber, Evile, Hamsterviel but he also took on himself and fought enemies in alternative worlds. Sonic takes a lot of detours not every adventure spells disaster even when Stitch is not taking on bad forces he has to face life and death situations he`s equipped for combat more than Sonic is. I could say the same for Sonic not having a chance against Leroy because of how powerful he was and the fact that it took a lot to overcome him, Stitch has comes across technologies that are more advanced as well as less simplistic than Eggman`s technology the feats are there. If Emerl loss and did not have the capacity to keep up with Sonic wouldn`t that mean that Emerl was never that strong or fast to begin with when it came to beating Sonic? This goes back to my previous point about Emerl not putting his powers to great use, Amazo was pretty much the same but it didn`t mean he was invincible and he put his powers to far better use more than Emerl did and he fougth stronger as well as a numerous amount of opponents if Emerl was so smart and powerful he wouldn`t of miscalculated like that which is why I question him, Sonic and the feat because he didn`t even use his own 100% he had all that power but didn`t put it to use. None of what you state here debunks my argument or make any difference, Evile was legitimately stronger than Stitch and he still lose he put his abilities to better use than Emerl did, Leroy was Stitchs equal in some regard and he had more resource but still lost, Cyber had armies but he was powerful and a lot older than Stitch but he still lost, Sonic`s enemies on the other hand who I will list are not that impressive or as passive. Eggman only gives Sonic problems. because of his machines and Chaos Emeralds also speaking of which, Sonic isn`t the only one he loses to and he can`t even solve his own problems to top it off, Sonic even needs assistance against him even the Classic Version. Emerl had all those abilities and didn`t even put them to good use he was designed himself to be Sonic`s superior yet he still lost, Metal Sonic required help to be beaten and even then he didn`t do anything really impressive. Sonic would need help that`s for sure, they all would go all out unlike Eggman or Emerl also speed can only get you so far when fighting opponents like these and Stitch would beat Sonic`s enemies as well. Leroy and Cyber came closer to conquering the world than Eggman ever did... Also Eggman needed help from Sonic a couple of times only attempt to backstab him even in Sonic X he`s a slacker he has his robots doing the majority of his work for him to no avail and his ideas never get better or they never really evolve. Cyber on the other hand came close to fulfilling his mission and he has it all orchestrated by himself, Stitch`s villains aim for more than just the earth too. Stitch even in alternative reality that`s pretty much a true and trustworthy scenario that was supposed to happen showed Stitch as a ruler over the earth through embracing his more alien and monstrous side that was evil, like that hasn`t already happened and Eggman slacks off because he not only fails, is put to shame but he is made to be a laughing stock only with the Chaos Emeralds something he could be said and considered but on his own he`s never really done much. Stitch would definitely stop Eggman with his superior intelligence and Eggman is so irresponsible in how he operates his own machines, I could do the same for Stitch so it wouldn`t prove anything.

I recall all of stitch's gear and none will come close to playing a factor on any of sonic's big enemies. Iblis trigger, definitely not, Solaris, not even close mephiles? oh god no. Dark Gaia? nope. Erazor? nope Merlina? nope. And like i said for so many times, sonic never received help against metal sonic. That was only Neo Metal Sonic. And besides heroes and advance when did he get help from his friends?

Cool, but everything that has been said, has also been true thus far and its not, you haven`t proven so if we are to start counting as well as comparing feats which are inapplicable, inconsistent, immeasurable and indefinable what you have shown for Sonic would be controversial which includes his comic feats which are blatantly and obviously not the same as what is shown in his games, which is the whole of the canon.

I can apply the same thing towards you so easily with the lilo and stitch anime which made stitch into superman. What you mean the light speed thing from sonic the comic? and the black hole feat? i wasn't serious about those at all. I only posted them just to show sarcasm, why do you think i didn't respond to your replies to them? I didn't take the supernova feat seriously at all. Its too inconsistent to even think about it and not consider it PIS.

And why is that? Stitch has proven himself worthy, he`s deemed worthy from what I have presented and provided Stitch is more than enough to keep up with Sonic without the need for the turning gears. I don`t see how that point matters considering when Stitch adapts he finds ways to overcome the odds things he`s not supposed to and he can find ways around it like crawling, maneuvering, cloaking and etc. You see, its more than just running up and down, running right behind Sonic like there is race about to rip the world apart all there needs is the right things to nullify and neutralize that speed a good example being Flash and Captain Cold, he`s nowhere as fast as Flash but he still finds ways to overcoming and surprising his speed. None of it was PIS either and Flash is way faster than Sonic so your saying he`s not going to get tagged or that Stitch being able to outsmart him isn`t more important than just having the speed?

Flash and captain cold is such a god awful example:

You can call it PIS all you want but it has been shown and it has been done these are things that have happened that have nothing to do with Captain Cold.

Then you missed my point should I quote it again? My point was that Stitch other than speed can find ways in subduing Sonic as fast as they are their not fast enough to become untouchable and this shows that you have misinterpreted my point once again. Captain Cold has a consistency of feats challenging and besting Flash which is why he is worthy of being apart of the Rogues Gallery and wise enough to stand out, you can call it a bad example all you want but the feats are there.

I said this several times during the debate, if stitch could genetically/physically alter his body to better withstand certain situations, such as durability, speed, reaction time etc. He could potentially take on anyone in fiction that isn't a reality warper or some form of hax user. That logic is not applicable since stitch has shown clear limits.

You do your closing first then i'll do mine.

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Not true, they are, there are many times in which they are showcased and they are allowed for this match just because the OP expresses standard doesn`t mean its base its standard power levels, Stitch in his alien form results back to his animalistic attributes at times especially in this scenario he will be conforming back to that warfare mentality. He had them in the movies, shows and even in the anime series they weren`t rare they were unique circumstances but this scenario would be categorized under that due to Stitch`s situation so you haven`t debunked anything. Why not? Sonic can`t escape forever, there will be a time when he attempts to have Stitch pinned or under submission but Stitch unleashing his true alien form has his weapons and arms revealed so it would be by Sonic`s misjudgements that he falls and fails prey to Stitch. I will showcase it and he used it to have blinded or refocused on another target its more impressive considering it shows how healthy my previous arguments are especially about the ones in which Stitch is not only smarter than Sonic but he is also more creative and risky that will play to his benefit more than Sonic could even know. I never said it was lol, neither did I try to force down the idea of him being at the peak of his powers and very skilled my point was that he put up a match against a fairly strong character and his smarts weren`t a weakness for him even going to your point about Stitch being dumb it just goes to show how your argument can`t keep itself stable there are many contradictions. By the way Stitch fighting on sole instinct is still impressive, especially since his sensitivities are more frequent and much actively aware than what Sonic has shown.... You know what that means right? That means what if Stitch were to rely on his survival instincts? What`s stopping him from doing things to overcome Sonic`s speed, things unknown to Sonic he would be able to tap into his inner ideas which the brain does and he would supersede the idea of adaptation as well so that argument works against you. Not true, you haven`t proven this once again and pain tolerance no matter what like stamina, endurance and willpower HAVE a FACTOR on durability if those things were to be missing you only be a walking tank that can take the heat but to what degree? Its like Goku and Superman losing those fundamentals then only retaining their blunt force durability what would that do for them? It doesn`t even matter since his pain tolerance is still above Sonic`s and that`s a problem since stronger as well as smarter characters failed to kill or down Stitch while Sonic has been killed by oppositions the only time Stitch died is when he had a Glitch and it only corresponded to himself based on a level of energy in his molecules that was missing. And how is that low showing, exactly? Kixx was stronger than Knuckles from what I can tell and the problem with your logic is your always missing the important element, Kixx unlike Stitch was rendered in his alien form with his true strength even with his fights during fighting Evile, Leroy they begin to grow more arms to overpower and overwhelm Stitch usually their in the same weight class also Stitch ended up beating Kixx. Obviously its not but a friend once told me that what we believe to be smart is what we believe to be something else for example Stitch is smarter than Sonic but it doesn`t mean I`m saying Sonic is retarded or incapable because I made note that he is however he is not smart as Stitch when it comes to combat and just perceiving or defining the standard for smartness. And that point doesn`t matter considering Stitch would apply his ability to think on a better level than Sonic considering his feats explain it for themselves and he officially has a super computer for a mind another fact for a factor is that Stitch in his reportorial faces much more smarter and cunning individuals than Sonic has it teaches him in experience to be cunning himself more than just being witty or smart so Stitch has that over Sonic as well. Your forgetting my the main content of my point in context yet again unfortunately. Even if we are to use your reverse in logic it still doesn`t explain or extinguish the idea and fact of why Stitch would be able to adapt to Sonic whose main advancement is speed unlike Wonder Woman, and even Flash who can rely on different things also Stitch doesn`t merely adapt, he`s resourceful so it helps him to adapt because he has the MEANS to developing the methods in how to take care of his enemies in the longed process. Stitch doesn`t lose every episode, where did you get that from? Stitch actually ends up catching his cousins and he catches them off guard, its a natural mechanic for him even we are to go your route whose to say Sonic would fare better as he`s not even known as being an adapter so that should be questioned and considered as to what you are proposing. He was and its not about chasing its about what Stitch was thinking that`s what I`m trying to enlighten you on, Stitch in the end found a way to subdue him and its not like he outright failed to catch him multiple times or anything even in the anime he got the best of Sparky it wasn`t perfect of course but it was done nonetheless so you can`t take any credibility from the feat when your picking at parts of the content that you just turn into a contextual contradiction. Sonic has been worn out before actually but that is a sound and cool point, I commend you for that :) But the difference is what they end up tanking, Stitch has tanked much deadlier forces also Sonic has been shown to be at a weak and brutalized point before as demonstrated in Sonic X. Stitch comes out of the damage with no grunts, or just being worn down like Sonic has and he gets back up at a faster rate. That`s what I said lol, I even emphasized the collision and he was being held together by the force of Hamsterviel`s employed weapon mechanics so nothing has been debunked you only reaffirmed my points and stands. In some ways but its not a low feat because you haven`t even convinced or confirmed why he would be below Stitch`s standard especially since he was in his alien form and Stitch ended up beating him fair and square during Angel even when up against Evile it looked like he was being overcome but Stitch ended up winning even when he had six arms and he had legit striking feats too! Not really, what episde Angel where he came across him again and I believe during the anime he comes across him again, your looking at it with the point of view that Stitch was being overpowered even in his fights with Evile and Leroy it looks like so but Stitch ends up winning, Stitch to a degree even holds back when he met his alternative and true self he was much more dangerous as well as powerful as confirmed by Yuna. You haven`t proven this your only argument is that he`s been in different locations so that means he could adapt when the places he`s been are practically the same and he doesn`t showcase growth also how can you work in that argument when comparing a combat situation between the two especially since Stitch is more resourceful has more feats in using the environment what`s stopping him here? Stitch doesn`t have to throw them directly by that time Stitch would know how Sonic`s speed works and Stitch can catch or eat what is being redirected at him or just climb the trees and have objects thrown from different angles or he can go underground and then attack from there where Sonic would have no defense especially since he has different types of visionary abilities. Well in Stitch`s case its more impressive considering he actually takes damage on a greater scale unlike Sonic who doesn`t really tank anything notable or anything Stitch wouldn`t be able to tank and he`s fought longer than Sonic has he can keep going how do we know that Sonic would be able to tank Stitch knocing him down with his four arms or burning him with acids? And your response will probably be that Sonic will dodge or that Sonic`s too fast well there are many instances in which he closes the gap and decides to engage in H2H, I have proof for it especially since I`ve played many of the Sonic games and even as identified in his crossovers with Mario its demonstrated there as well he will at one point try to pin Stitch down and like Stitch`s other enemies who are stronger as well as smarter he will learn the hard way. Then you misinterpreted my point or miscalculated the message, my point was that Stitch ends up finding ways to beat opponents who are above him in a certain category and he uses his smarts (smarts>>speed) to overcome his opponent, the reason why I brought up Sparky and Zap is because that element was exercised in those experiences he didn`t just try to go ham or beast on them he used a level of acknowledgement to find ways in beating them even in the anime when he took on Sparky once again so you haven`t countered or debunked my point once again although I understand your concerns. Knuckles tags and causes problems for Sonic and he isn`t that impressive, Silver isn`t that fast yet he causes issues for Sonic even Eggman lol are you going to say he`s lightspeed or hypersonic? He still needed some plot device and form of assistance that`s my point it just goes to show that speed isn`t enough Stitch relies on all types of things that`s better to have and match, Sonic needed help in Sonic Heroes, Sonic Colors and Sonic X. That`s not the problem of how powerful they are even if we are to go with Stitch can`t beat them either it doesn`t mean he wouldn`t do a better job in finding ways to beat them and whose to say Sonic could beat Evile or Leroy you can`t prove that and Stitch didn`t have no OP powerup those feats are not even consistent with Sonic since he needed Chaos Control to make a difference which he doesn`t have here even in Sonic and the Secret Rings also when he went up against Solaris (my favorite Sonic by the way). No my point was Sonic helped Eggman and he himself didn`t end up beating them alone, Stitch receives less help and its not really applicable because he`s the one risking his life when Sonic actually has some form of assistance whether it be his friends or the Chaos Emeralds you can`t compare the inevitable truth.

Ugh so much to reply to. First off in a majority of the tv show stitch never had them on him. Unless you are saying he was using hammer space. Since you wanna go by that logic i will assume that sonic has rings to boost his abilities and power ups, and i can assume that he has the ring from sonic and the secret of the rings because its in his house and i can assume he can use the powers whenever he wants just because in sonic generations he can equip time break before going into a stage. But i cannot do that can i? "unique circumstances" thats the same thing as rare. Anyway moving on. Be specific when sonic attempts to pin him down how will he fall prey to stitch? Sonic is too mobile and agile to really get tagged by him anyway. And i don't recall calling stitch dumb. Like i said you act like sonic is a grade schooler or something, sonic is actually incredibly clever, although i'll admit he isn't stitch clever, but he is clever regardless.(Besides Thinking faster than a super computer is nearly impossible to quantify) I haven't proven that stitch's durability is inconsistent at all? Oh okay if you say so. Mephiles is the only one in history who has successfully killed sonic the hedgehog in the games. So no. Kixx is not stronger than knuckles. If so do you have any feats that prove so? In what situation did stitch beat kixx legitimately? Because IIRC lilo was helping stitch defeat kixx. Giving him extremely direct tips about his fighting style. Sonic is not genius smart he is clever smart, im pretty sure based on this argument as a whole you know the difference, sonic can adapt just as well as stitch just not to the point where he can supposedly think up any strategy against anyone like you say he can. He adapts to his surroundings well and acts according to the situation and his enemies. And he can work will with virtually any conditions. I pointed this out probably more than twice. You say the surroundings are the same but on what basis and on what grounds?

Actually in a good portion of the episodes stitch has some form of trouble taking them down, he then gets info from jumba then goes on to take them down. Its a pretty normal pattern within the series.

The reason why its questionable is not only the speed sparky is moving at but the way he is moving, i have seen ghost from danny phantom move in the same fashion as sparky but they are barely clocked at super sonic speeds. Even if sparky is lightning level speed(which i highly doubt since stitch's car is far faster than stitch himself. And along with the fact that lilo during the movie was running along with him chasing sparky and even in the tv show lilo ran side by side with stitch at a average pace whenever they were chasing experiments, while the same applied to the anime IIRC) look very closely on how stitch was chasing after him during the movie:

Notice how stitch barely keeps up with him, the way he beated him was catching him off guard, since he didn't know what stitch was doing when he made him fall. Plus sparky may have lightning level speed(supposedly) but he doesn't have the same level of reaction speed(someone with lightning level reactions would have notice the shift in movement of the wood that was pulled beneath him.)

The places he been are exactly the same? Not really, i don't see how at all.

So stitch is going to eat an entire tree coming at him at high speeds? Plus referring to the fight against evile even if he did shake the castle, stitch against his alternate self was striking the building and only a chunk fell off the building after throwing multiple strikes on to it.

In his fight against his alternate self how did he use his resources to beat him may i ask? Because the only "resourceful" thing he done in that fight was constantly eat his opponent's weapons and after chew it up, spitting it back out at him. Besides that stitch was getting overwhelmed, and to add to the inconsistencies, stitch despite all his feats that even i recall from the disney show, the movies and even the anime, he struggled to lift a piece of rock that was far smaller than anything stitch carried. And also about the alien form which apparently boosts his stats:

http://www.cartoon-world.tv/lilo-stitch-the-series-season-1-episode-9/

Skip to 15:10 watch till 16:00 Stitch was crushed by a rock far smaller than anything he has ever lifted and even struggled to get it off of him in his ALIEN FORM, and lilo remarks how even thats got to hurt him of all people.(she seen stitch in action especially in the midst of some of his greatest feats. For her to say this is kind of weird if you think about it.) This supports my argument of how Stitch's feats are inconsistent. I can get more if you want, just say the word.

I believe he can tank hits from stitch because he trades blows with knuckles and shadow.(who are both far superior to amy who can create shockwaves/tornadoes by swinging her hammer) Has tanked air surface missiles, lasers, strikes from robots like i previously mentioned unless you are telling me stitch can punch harder than giant robots.And some other feats. And silver who seems to be physically weaker than most of the sonic cast has tanked having buildings thrown at him and blaze. Sonic can probably tank the acid considering how he has tanked high heats before and has been near the earth's core during his fight against dark gaia(regular people or living beings would burn to death if in the same situation as sonic.) And yeah i don't see why i have to worry about whether stitch can put him down or not when stitch is not fast enough to tag him in the first place. Im going to use another piece of fiction for reference:

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Ryoga has immense durability thats why ranma earlier in this fight was not able to harm him. But that is when ranma employed a strategy: Punching his opponent hundreds of times in the same spot. Stitch has tanked having a house dropped on him, that doesn't mean it didn't hurt really bad.(like i said lazy animators) Anyway you are probably saying whats that got to do with sonic? Sonic can fight at supersonic to hypersonic speeds, whats stopping sonic from doing the same thing to stitch in their fight? Quite honestly nothing, stitch is going to get blitzed by sonic even you admitted that IIRC.

Mario crossovers? May i see this?

Knuckles tags and gives trouble to sonic i see you didn't take note that COMBAT SPEED AND REACTION SPEED AND MOVEMENT SPEEDS ARE ALL DIFFERENT.

Hey, Hey, maybe you should consider the fact that he gave sonic trouble and the fact that he can travel at high speeds via telekinesis like i said before and gave shadow a good fight which must means that silver must have had good reactions and some decent combat speed in order to take him on.

As for eggman if i recall correctly you were trying to rank stitch's speed as hypersonic, does that mean gantu and jumba are hypersonic? And can you give me some specific examples instead of saying such things? You keep saying sonic needs help but you haven't provide any examples. Sonic only used chaos control twice. One to avoid an explosion while falling in space, two to teleport that space station colony arc. And the times sonic apparently needs help does not outweigh the times sonic doesn't. So you cannot act like the times he didn't need help doesn't exist.

How? So Inuyasha learning to wield his sword is a form of adaption? What about Stitch wielding multiple weapons like laser guns, pipes, chainsaws, swords and even converting unconventional things into weaponry wouldn`t that be more impressive than just picking up a sword that Stitch could of easily replicated when I think about it Stitch could of made that sword into something more lethal.

Thats not really comparable. Inuyasha is an amateur in terms of sword utilization, and quite possibly combat in general and despite all the experience he ended up having, he still isn't that skilled.(he got better but not by much, his sword's powers is what gave him an edge against his opponents.) As soon as sonic picked up the sword he already displayed considerable skill in combat, and since you been saying it several times, im not saying that sonic has a sword in this battle im saying his ability to "wing it" can be considered a form of adaption as well. The fact that that swordsmanship was boring and easy for sonic shows that he is skilled as a whole, when he was transformed into a werehog it didn't take long for him to adapt to his new physiology in a far better way than when stitch was adapting to his lightning empowered form, he is always mentioning how boring something is in terms of combat or a dangerous situation.(when running through eggman's military factories or fleets, when fighting certain enemies, etc.) People on multiple occasions have mentioned how formidable and skilled sonic is. A good example is the deadly six.(Intelligent beings of the lost continent. Very powerful warriors, Zik the martial arts master who trained Zavok i believe it was? and it seems to an extent zazz, said that sonic was powerful and had great potential. Sonic fought the deadly six several times in one day. At the end of the game the deadly six were already amped on the energy they were absorbing from the earth, making them physically stronger. Which means they gained a boost of speed, strength etc. from taking in that energy(i forgot to mention that eggman actually amped his robot suit with that same energy in order to make his robot more powerful) He was taking three of them at a time which is rather impressive.

And im not sure if i responded to this yet but sonic has one other notable feat of stamina. Sonic Lost Worlds takes place in one single day. It likely was a good 6-8 hours(probably a little bit more) since there wasn't any change in climate on earth or on the lost continent. Sonic was fighting hordes of robots, traveling the entire continent, and fighting the six and eggman. Thats an amazing feat of stamina and endurance.

If they are to be alternative versions how do we scale them and why wouldn`t Stitch be able to do that? What makes it that impressive anyway? Stitch when just created was already wielding weapons and turning things into weapons even when up against more formally trained adversaries also the problem is all Sonic has shown is that he can swing fast and how do we know that the people he went up against were even that impressive to begin with, Sonic having the superior speed just makes this whole thing sketchy even if he was skilled as you are claiming he can`t apply it here since he doesn`t carry weapons and that was a special circumstance to make it worse, Stitch can make weapons. Wow, what does that have on Stitch who not only boards Hamsterviel`s ships that are filled with cold blooded aliens that are endorsed into intergalactic warfare that goes beyond machine guns and medieval warfare on earth can you even compare the advancement also Stitch has come aboard more than one type of ship and he`s been exposed to more warfare in his life time, he does that but Stitch does it more and when he blows stuff up its in ways never imagined when Sonic just uses his speed to set something off even when in certain scenarios he`s usually running away from the explosions and so does Stitch what makes it more impressive Stitch can redirect those things or have them turn on the enemy unlike Sonic who just uses speed imagine if Stitch had Sonic`s speed would there be such as big difference then? Stitch`s vehicles is more advanced and he actually engages in warfare when piloting it Sonic zipping around with Tails is adventurous but where are the trenches and etc that comes with war?

They were basically the same speed as their regular counter parts, as for striking strength and physical strength they can block attacks from giant monster with weapons. Seems legit. What makes it so impressive is that sonic never wielded a sword let alone weapons in his life, the fact that he was able to just "lalalal minding my own business" then looks at a sword picks it up and puts it to amazing use. Of course he was, stitch was trained to do that by jumba so its not the same. Actually sonic was showing some impressive maneuvers of a swordsman, thrusts, side sides, parries, blocks, etc. And he has three different styles he can use one style that focuses on power, one that focuses on speed and one that's all around. And i know its just speculation but it seems like sonic can enhance his strikes via wind, when using the speed oriented style, when its fully upgraded, a small tornado of wind appears around his sword when using the soul surge.(Please don't go into a frenzy and take this seriously) Which wouldn't be so far off considering sonic seems to have some form of limited wind control in the first place. Anyway back to the topic. How do we know? I can say the same for when stitch fought an alternative version of himself. Sonic having the superior speed..... again, combat speed, and movement speed and reaction time speed are not the same. Stitch through rocks at the enemy and they exploded when the rocks hit them, i don't know how that's any more impressive than sonic smashing them by punching or kicking or using his speed against them. Hmmm interesting a comparison of vehicles and piloting:

Not that it matters anyway just showing this for fun.

I already acknowledged and agreed to that. There are times when he can`t back that up even when fighting Knuckles, Spiderman and Deadpool can even when he does these things he still has a lot to answer for, he is a cautioned individual but Stitch himself is not only afloat on the boat but he is also steering it in the right direction. Not true again, the ones outsmarting him like you would call it are more competent and composed in comparison to Knuckles, Rouge, Tails and the rest outsmarting Eggman also the individuals you listed don`t actually outsmart Gantu they usually just have his flaws exposed when Stitch is involved and helping you can`t say the same for Eggman who has his plans thwarted or stopped by people other than Sonic. Also Jumba outsmarting Gantuis more impressive and relevant than Knuckles or Tails outsmarting Eggman, Jumba is a proven genius and fighter he`s also made legit via the intergalactic councils who first examined Stitch also in the anime he used brute force and smarts to get the better of Gantu, Eggman on the other hand even with his armies, robotics, enhancements and claimed genius still gets beaten by Knuckles, Amy, Tails and the rest of the gang even in Sonic X. So you can`t even make that comparison, not true Blaze, Shadow and the rest don`t even really involved when it comes to Eggman also in showings, Eggman requires more help and resources to have things done we could do that although I don`t see the point but I`m optimistic. Sonic when fighting Blaze and supposedly beating her had much more trouble a lot of these wins are not even legit wins considering Shadow and Blaze have more showings getting the best and winning over Sonic, Stitch beats his enemies fair and square, Sonic even gets challenged by Knuckles lol and you can say Knuckles is a slower, weaker and less smarter version of Stitch his feats are not consistent. I don`t see how and why, Stitch wouldn`t be able to do that especially since his wins are much more legit and you know my point was directed more at Eggman right? Sonic helped Eggman fight the Deadly Six and Sonic didn`t even do that on his own you can`t prove that he did it doesn`t matter considering Stitch when in receiving that intel faces many surprises or odds.

Examples? So gantu being outsmarted by lilo, pleakly to an extent and a few others that aren't on stitch's level of intelligence is more competent than especially tails who is arguably smarter than stitch? People other than sonic that thwarted eggman's plans: Shadow, Blaze, and Silver if i recall correctly and Knuckles(who are all skilled fighters with powerful abilities which is reasonable, and they didn't really outsmart eggman in the first place) Amy cream and big(through PIS and WIS since they are nowhere near as skilled and powerful as the others to be taking on eggman's entire fleets and powerful robots in sonic heroes.) And tails who is intellectually on par with eggman and actually only won in a fight against him once in adventure 2 IIRC, tails has never really done anything else in regards to taking down eggman besides figuring out his technology and finding ways to negate them. Its funny how brute force barely works on gantu in the anime when it works just fine in the disney show when all the experiments are doing it. His armies have never been defeated by them in sonic x and like i said the eggman in sonic x is basically a joke in comparison to game canon eggman. And shadow and blaze do not have more showings over sonic in terms of wins. Blaze got involved with eggman in three games IIRC, Sonic Rush, Sonic Rush Adventure, and Sonic o6. More resources? so Hamsterviel and gantu and cyber etc. would have had chaos turned into perfect chaos without doing research on his origins and without the chaos emeralds? So they would have find out how emerl works and make several copies without doing research and containing information that only HE had? You are telling me that they would have freed dark gaia without his resources and tech which you say is inferior to theirs but i haven't seen a single piece of tech belonging to jumba,(besides his experiments which then again eggman doesn't need to create since he can basically make all of those experiments but except he won't be utilizing genetics but robotics.) gantu(that belongs to him and that he built) and cyber and hamsterviel that tops anything eggman built. More help is kind of reasonable considering he works by himself. While cyber? not so much. When has sonic been challenged by knuckles may i ask? because all knuckles had was a losing streak against sonic for years. Actually strength is debatable. Slower no he is faster, weaker it depends. Less smarter i will agree with. But so is shadow and allot of powerful sonic character, i don't see how that makes a difference. Actually sonic could have realistically done it himself like he said in the first place. Eggman didn't contribute in any way shape or form in taking them down what so ever, eggman was only using them to get closer to his machine that the six was abusing. And you can't prove to me that eggman actually did contribute in anyway against the six. The cutscenes clearly show that sonic was fighting them BY HIMSELF, if you cannot except that i couldn't care less.

Speed on that level and by that detail? I don`t think so he might create miniature whirlwinds or generate enough air friction to create spherical expansives of offenses but the ones shown in the comics are far greater in strength and destruction even so, the comics are very different. Stitch is actually canon considering Lilo appeared in the show and even confirmed what happened of their previous adventures, also how does that contradict anything? Sonic going Hypersonic or fighting Emerjack is canon to the games and does it happen on a regular basis, the anime goes back to the movie and previous series even during the show past events are mentioned even when Yuna met Lilo the only difference being that Stitch had to relocate himself to the areas of Japan and change his life. Not true, it means its a high showing that proves Stitch`s unpredictability and I don`t focus on that aspect I focus on how Stitch resolved the situation with his smarts from another smart individual unlike Eggman also Stitch has survived crashing from space and he survives the vacuum of space all the time even the meteorites and bodies if I`m not mistaken the same could be said for Sonic who doesn`t show or have real durability feats to begin with at least Stitch has a foundation and he has more showings to what his limits are, what Sonic tanked was far less than what Stitch tanked anyway if we are to go that route. No I said canon and common feats can be used as long as there is no contradiction and it is applicably reasonable, the Archie Comics universe is like an alternative dimension, Stitch the anime series is not, Stitch is actually relocated in the storyline but even when acceptable those feats don`t compare or hold up to what Stitch has done.

Not really you are overexaggerating.No offense intended but all i see here is hypocrisy. How come what you are saying only applies to me? Stitch when he tanked the supernova came out unharmed, yet there are several feats in the original series and the movies that contradict that feat in general. Actually Stitch! is not canon the creator himself(Chris Sanders) said so. And lilo making an appearance doesn't justify the series as canon. By that logic wouldn't that technically make any form of animated series that references the games canon? Sonic surviving falls from space is consistent. It happened twice if i recall correctly, and sonic has also survived falls from amazing heights. And by the way im not having a contest of who stands there and tanks the most crap. Im debating whether or not sonic beats stitch. Stitch the anime is not canon, and is not even directed by chris sanders himself. Please correct me if im wrong but Chris sanders had no contribution to the project. Lilo making an appearance and telling a story is no justification to decide its canon when especially the creator of the series said it wasn't in the first place.

Yes especially since with all the power Emerl had he was just another machine in number and the Stitch characters at least apply all their powers unlike Emerl also how does he lose to Sonic exactly it seems so illogical to me with all that power and data he had, at least with Stitch and his enemies you can draw a line that is not apart of speculative territory. He has all of those abilities yet he loses to a character like Sonic who doesn`t have half of that, and Emerl was self-destructing from all of that power he didn`t put to it good use its like overloading a machine with data and energy saying its an impressive field of equipment but they don`t put it to productive use, I really do think Stitch although not as hax is more deadly in the long run because he doesn`t need all those things to win and he applies his abilities the right way I`m also arguing apples with apples.

I already explained why sonic beaten emerl.

How do you know even with his speed he has fallen to obstacles even as shown in Sonic X if you are to blame game mechanics and this the environment becoming your enemy to make it worse, Stitch has senses to predict or bridge a gap in Sonic`s speed. I wouldn`t be surprised if Stitch were to redirect it because that attempt has happened and it has not succeeded.

No I am not, the way you are describing it is like I`m comparing it to Sonic when my concern of concentration is in Stitch`s thinking and resolving abilities rather than just trying to bring out the best in himself when it comes to sheer speed, Gantu was looking around lol and he`s reacted to impressive things without having to pay too much mind, a human would do the same thing but Gantu didn`t do the same thing and Gantu couldn`t at least see or hear it because he`s heard things that were far from him the bird wasn`t standing still it was flying around also given its size Stitch still got it regardless, its wings were flapping and it stopped once it hit with water lol, it didn`t just drop why didn`t it do that before?

Sonic X is full of low showings in comparison to other canon. So i don't see your point, and stitch has fallen to things that have far less force than his movie feats. COUGH COUGH small boulders COUGH COUGH in enhanced alien form COUGH

You actually are. I'm not saying anything in regards to that at all, your not taking into consideration that stitch struggled to tag him in the first place, stitch finally tagging him was due to the bird remaining in one exact spot while flying. Humans could have done the same thing in regards to catching 323. He was looking around and was distracted, then got pecked by 323 from behind. The bird then flew away. gantu didn't do the same thing? you do know i was referring to what the bird did right? Anyway you have no proof that 323 has enhanced senses or speed.

Im not sure if the videos are going to work on comicvine so here are the links in order:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuqXlJbbxtE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alv027sAR_4

Now in terms of your main perspective, why not? There`s no reason and I say it again there is no reason to believe so when adding the picture to the OP and thinking of the location I always consider all realistic dynamics of battle and we actually do we know how much damage they can do and that`s not the problem the main concern, your main concern should be how much Stitch was able to absorb into himself on top of that it was being stimulated by Jumba`s machine as well as experimental activities and how is that impressive? Stitch like Goku has used childish antics to beat opponents who were much more densely acquitted to battle than he was and Stitch not only creating weapons, utilizing his skills and also changing the things around him is not only impressive but the fact he does it in much more combat oriented scenarios makes it more reliable as a method since its more character for him than it is Sonic. Stitch could avoid that by going underground or taking cover which he will do and Stitch has tanked better even if you are to believe that to be a good offensive option.

Exactly we don't know. And as for the child antics. The fact that sonic is utilizing something as impractical as break dancing in combat well is rather impressive if you ask me. And as for the shockwave can i see how fast stitch can dig underground please? And even if that's true couldn't sonic just spam it and as soon as stitch comes to the ground because he thinks its safe gets hit? and couldn't sonic pull a ash ketchum and just shoot shockwaves down the hole that stitch digs? or simply go after stitch himself by digging through the ground himself or just going down the hole stitch makes via spindash. The positioning would be perfect and it would seriously hurt to get hit at supersonic to hypersonic speeds in a digging position.

Like Evile hasn`t caused ruptures with casual blows and Stitch by not even applying striking strength hasn`t made places tremble? What makes this so impressive when Stitch actually has the greater strength feats and Knuckles has failed to destroy things that Stitch can and has destroyed.

Stitch hasn`t done this? Stitch can create more damage without even having to apply striking strength and Knuckles like I said before gives it his all when in doing these things under Stitch`s standards its as casual as stepping on a cockroach also Stitch has caused shcokwaves with less output and although that is impressive it doesn`t make him stronger or impressive than Stitch. Stitch would destroy him because although he has the striking strength he doesn`t have the physical strength or durability to outmuscle or outweigh Stitch especially since he can hold back Knuckles and Stitch has tanked energy blasts that left in a crater in the ground hotter energies than fire.

Like you said stitch finds resourceful ways to destroy things, i haven't seen much that knuckles wouldn't be able to do.

No he hasn't. The way knuckles creates explosions is different all together. Anyway this is a good example of knuckles combat speed and striking force:

Knuckles strikes with such force that the friction around his fists causes fire to ignite, which then envelopes his hands and thrown objects in fire.

To ignite the atmosphere around your punch you should move at more than speeds of Mach 20, Also, you should be more resistant than meteorites, like a space shuttle.

To support this here is a a bunch of premise:

PREMISE 1

When you move, you push aside the gas molecules in the atmosphere. Just like moving in water, you have to push aside water molecules, and that's the reason why moving through water is harder: it's denser.

PREMISE 2

Molecules need time to be pushed aside, because they need to move some other air molecules themselves.

EXPLAINATION

If you move very fast, the molecules don't have to gently push aside other air molecules, so they clash together. As with everything, a collission generates some heat.

If you move exceedingly fast, these collissions will be so fast that the heat generated will ignite the oxygen around you (oxygen is the component in the air that allows fire to keep burning... that's why candles need air to keep going). And there you go.

NOTES

Such speeds are so high that they generate pressure against the air (see above). When you push against something, you receive the same force against you (that's why punching a wall hurts). This means that to be able to ignite the atmosphere, you have to be so tough to witstand the force generated by your own body at those speeds.

If you want some details, you should check out on google why satellites and rockets brun while re-entering the atmosphere. It's the same principle.

Even if knuckles gives it his all that doesn't mean he is slow in terms of combat speed.

Lol, Stitch can lift hundreds of pounds without having to go into his alien form, what is 33 pounds to Stitch when he can lift up a car, fire truck and objects much larger than helicopters especially as causal as he does it. Sonic has problems when in attempting to lift things. Also how does this counter my point exactly??

Then why did you bring it up?

If you notice the music and timer there are also other instances in which water is not Sonic`s best friend. It even has its own themes lol and there`s no gameplay mechanics neither is there comic relief.

Sonic Colors is the most recent game that had sonic doing that underwater. No other game after colors from my memory had sonic drowning underwater. (Don't try to include sonic 4 which was released after colors, chronologically its after sonic 3/sonic and knuckles. It doesn't matter what videos from the anime you show me for stitch somehow adapting to water, he cannot swim unless he has a suit of some form due to his molecular density.

Stitch`s maximum strength is when he utilizes his four arms not two of his arms when he`s CASUALLY doing the majority of these things and 3,000 is more than what Sonic, Eggman, Knuckles, Shadow, Rogue and etc have shown to lift so what does that say about Stitch even if you try to deconstruct it which you haven`t, Hamsterviel confirmed that Stitch can`t lift anymore than that amount but if you notice, Stitch didn`t utilize his four arms and Hamsterviel was mocking Stitch I explained this in my introduction to Stingerrain, I get the video and info if you want.

How? What? This doesn`t disapprove my point and Stitch did in fact sneeze up a tornado, do you know what Toon Force is also this is the same Stitch who uses his saliva to good purposes, who has Leroy sucked up into a venting system also I remember Sonic`s moves while cool their not impressive considering the speed he is utilizing Stitch works with less speed and he can still apply more force as well as offense than what Sonic can.

You don't have to get the video and info but that doesn't make sense though how would bringing in two extra arms allow him to lift his own weight when jumba stated he couldn't. Even a feather more than his top lifting weight would have everything fall on top of him instantly. His two arms would provide strength but wouldn't his own weigh make it impossible since his own weight is technically still there(i don't know im actually confused, not that it has any relevance to the debate but i'm curious.) Plus i was correcting you i never said they can do it. And by the way Back when sonic was confirmed to be mach 1 in terms of speed knuckles strength is said to be equal to sonic's speed which was 100 metric tons which is equal to 100,000 kilograms which converts to 220,462 pounds. Thats not to far from stitch's originally calc'd strength, and considering knuckles gotten far stronger from back then(which was around sonic and knuckles correct me if im wrong) means he should be far above that and considering how sonic officially not feat wise is now mach 10. And if i recall correctly shadow is pretty strong too he was flipping around buses. Rouge in terms of striking strength is close but not too close in terms of striking strength to knuckles.

How is it not toonforce? and how is it not PIS? a random creature sneezes up a F2 tornado on the beach. And the tornado doesn't drag in anyone else who happens to be near by except IIRC the pirates. Anyway it doesn't matter. I wasn't referring to any of sonic's offensive abilities i was just saying that sonic can traverse under water since you were trying to play that as a factor.

Stitch has been through a hell hole and came out of it ay okay. Stitch adapted to skillful opponents, adapted to an ice based experiment who was freezing everything and he has changed environments as well corresponding to his character. And what makes those things impressive when Stitch has dodged auto targeting laser fire, missiles and plasma beams that come all angles also Sonic in a couple of those instances boost his speed. Stitch doesn`t need that he can use his speed, smarts, strength, unique abilities in base form what happens when Sonic`s speed is lost?

No, that is not fact and how can you confirm that? That means the Sonic X version is different even though your drawing feats from him in that series also the other characters seemed to be the same if you are draw other medium feats it contradicts everything you`ve been claiming earlier in your other arguments and that`s not true its the fact that their plans never get better also Eggman is never really a threat without the Chaos Emeralds.

A specific one? Because listing his opponents is not really an example. Can i see this? because whenever you describe all angles all i see is stitch running in a specific direction away from something, not dodging everything coming from all angles. When his speed is lost? Sonic still has combat skill, agility, and durability, etc. And apparently in sonic labyrinth sonic can still use the spindash after losing his speed.

Alright i'll play your game, stitch can only lift 40-60 tons due to struggling to lift a slab of rock to save yunan, his speed and reflexes are low due to him getting tagged by people who are not that fast in the first place, and stitch is not as smart as you say he is in the anime in comparison to his other counterparts. I could say more. In sonic lost worlds he wasn't using the chaos emeralds, in sonic heroes correct me if im wrong eggman wasn't using the chaos emeralds, and in sonic advance 2 i believe? he wasn't using the chaos emeralds, i can go get other examples if it pleases you. And honestly i don't believe eggman from sonic x and eggman from the games are the same. Eggman from sonic x only had a one tracked mind with his plans and never thought of any back ups, game eggman did. Eggman's best tech in sonic x was potentially one shot material for sonic(despite most of their sizes allot of them but not the majority looked bootlegged and seemed to be last resorts) Eggman's tech in the games weren't. Oh by the way in sonic lost worlds, the eggman mech that robotnik was using was actually heavily amped on the planet's energy which makes whoever takes that energy far more powerful. Sooo. yeah. And you said to use feats that are compatiable and consistent and common with the character(and its common within original canon that sonic brags about how easy it is to beat eggman.) not every single detail within the feat itself.(Eggman is not here so stop trying to apply what i said about sonic saying he was easy to defeat, here. The feats themselves are compatiable and consistent no other detail such as eggman's competence in sonic x is relevant to our current argument. )

Examples would include the Sonic Adventure titles and even during some courses of Sonic Unleashed (which I played both)

How was that a speedblitz? Like how Sonic speedblitzes Knuckles? He only outmaneuvers Stitch in the flow of combat but Stitch ends up winning its not a speedblitz, do you know what speedblitz means?

Specific examples. I doubt that the characters were getting outsmarted throughout the entire game.

If you look closely stitch couldn't keep up with his movement and his flurry of punches.(He just barely dodged kixx's first punch and then when kixx was throwing his punches with all arms really fast he had no choice but to block to reduce damage, and when he finally got socked he tried to get some distance away from him, but kixx grabbed him before he can do so and before he could actually react AND counter him, then threw him, stitch try to score a hit by using the momentum gained by bouncing back into the ring but kixx quickly lariated him(or punched whichever you prefer) and and stitch ended up getting tangled within the ring borders.) If you don't call that a blitz then i don't know what is.

He did but your missing the point, he received help from Amy and every one else who took him on he didn`t just fight him one on one and it was a full on fight another thing is Emerl didn`t even use all of his abilities to their full capacity or potential, he had resource from having previous knowledge on Emerl due to his past friendships with him even as shown in Sonic X and when Emerl gains too much power he becomes more unstable that is something was put to use, I could do the same with Sonic.

No he didn't. They were not there during the fight they were back on earth hoping sonic would succeed. Plus sonic sparred with emerl's semi-ultimate state that was actually decently stable in the first place.(i say sparred since sonic was obviously holding back while semi-ultimate state wasn't since shadow told him to go fight everyone then come back when he is ready and fight him.)

Not true, you haven`t shown this and that doesn`t mean its like speed.

In the sonic adventure titles its called light speed attack for a reason. And it was stated by tikal that it allow the user to attack opponents at light speed......

I have proven it, the claims and statements you have come to the conclusion is not at least reasonable, like Stitch being dumb and Sonic being skilled. Yes he did, in Sonic Heroes he needed help to fight Metal Sonic and even in Generations, it wasn`t a proven combat scenario, he needs help in a good case of scenarios. Defeated on multiple occasions where the feats? Shadow has the upper hand on Sonic and Sillver was actually giving Sonic a hard time. Stitch beat Evile twice, he beat Leroy twice as well so what is your point and these beings had more variety to what they could do. I never have done so and I have only pointed it out when it needs to be also that is not true he only informs or enlightens Stitch about HIS inventions and Stitch has his own vehicles, as well as weaponry also that is not true either. Sonic is given info and he usually has a past history with who he battles you can`t deny this this would include Shadow, Knuckles, Eggman, Silver and etc which is why it is a recurring theme throughout the universe of Sonic, Silver and Shadow being prominent productions of that truth. I haven`t twisted anything, your actually taking what I confirmed out of context, Stitch never received weapons from Jumba that`s a lie and Sonic is given more resources in his different adventures if you are to compare to Stitch, I gave examples you skipped over it. I gave examples in the form of Sonic Colors, Sonic Adventures, Sonic Heroes and I have given a lot more examples also remember I`ve played these games as well and this extends back to Sonic X as well. What? So what, Eggman out of everybody based on feats still got the better of him and even in Sonic Unleashed it happened again so how do you explain that? Stitch has been marked before and has been impaled if I`m not mistaken but he`s come back stronger so point remains alive and strong.

That was Neo Metal Sonic someone who had a completely different powerset in comparsion to normal metal sonic.(there is no honest way stitch would have beated him.) And in generations we can clearly see classic sonic by himself. You cannot just assume that he had help just because he supposedly needs help in "most" of his fights. Sonic adventure 2(multiple occasions), sonic battle(once and shadow unlike sonic was panting after being defeated) sonic heroes(although it was team against team sonic still must have had the chance to fight shadow). sonic generations. So yeah. He was giving sonic a hard time in adventure 2 when he first appeared, otherwise in other scenarios he was a challenge but wasn't too much for sonic. Silver was giving shadow a hard time and sonic beated him as well. So your point? Stitch has his own vehicles? you mean the dune buggy? Because if i recall correctly jumba built that, not stitch. And please show me some proof that STITCH built the weapons himself and not jumba because if i recall correctly when experiment 501 and experiment 502(one of my favorites) was activated, jumba gave stitch mods for his gun and was building him several gadgets to combat experiment 502 and lilo and stitch were working to catch them.During the situation with ritcher(503) jumba gave stitch a sticky substance mod for his gun along with a kit and a spechile vehicle all in order to stop ritcher. Sonic like i been saying several times is given info on who is threatening the world or a world but not that person's abilities and limits and skills etc. Sonic colors? thats great and all but sonic actually took the energy the wisp was giving and utilized it to do certain things, it wasn't them helping him it was more them providing energy.(if you consider it the same thats fine by me) Sonic Adventures? He received no form of resource that truly helped him against the threats except the chaos emeralds at the end. Sonic unleashed you mean in the intro? all he did was pretend to admit defeat when he actually had that as a plan all along in order to retrieve the energy from the chaos emeralds from sonic. Can you show me instants where he has been impaled?

In a sense yes but does that mean that Chaos has gotten stronger? He could of gotten weaker or less responsible with his power over time and Stitch`s feats still are a lot more consistent than Sonic in the long run anyway my points still stands.

That's such a BS excuse its hilarious. How can a being of mass destruction gotten weaker or less responsible with his powers? Not only was chaos exactly the same he had a slightly higher level of water manipulation. There was some water tornadoes being formed around the city purposely aimed for sonic. Allot more consistent? No they aren't at all. And funny thing is in one of the episodes, with mr. stenchy, stitch was running away from gantu and got caught by him when episodes before he was lolstomping him.(in the Christmas episode stitch in his alien form got seriously hurt by gantu's door landing on him. In one episode despite every single feat of physical strength and durability he had even in his base form, during the dog show, stitch ending up getting crushed fallen debris and couldn't move or do anything and even showed signs of fatigue. Although i could keep on bringing up feats that show inconsistencies i think thats more than enough.

Stitch fighting an opponent whose not only himself and is actually skilled with weapons also Sonic is impressive but that Stitch would really give Sonic a hard time and that feat shows Stitch battling someone of good skill. Everything Sonic did, Stitch can do and do better without having to use speed to amplify anything.

Sonic fought a robot that was designed to be better than sonic. End of story. The stitch from that universe is from an alternate dimension. We cannot scale his abilities like you said for Lancelot, Percival and Gawain from black knight. And you are saying stitch adapts but i been provided multiple arguments of why sonic can adapt too but not the same way stitch does. You say its the same thing right? But lets look at this in a different perspective. Say im running on a flat road for hours. Then all of a sudden a large hole appears, that(lets assume i never saw it before) and i think for probably a pure second and then just jump over it. Sonic does that but to a higher scale. Virtually any situation he handles decently in a calm matter to an extent. For stitch it seems he adapts slightly more to combat than environments due to his destructive tendencies.

http://www.justanimedubbed.tv/lilo-stitch-the-series-season-1-episode-15/

Since stitch usually solves everything with destruction despite his intelligence nani decided that stitch needed some form of training. But he couldn't handle simple things such as precisely walking on paper, and walking through mazes. Why should i believe he is going to utilize strategies such as camouflage when he is impatient and easily angered? Sonic could easily abuse that and just taunt him in order to lure him out of hiding.

The same could be said in reverse but in more effect and those comparisons were definitely made for a reason. Plankton is not always a failure and that wasn`t my point, my point is that like Plankton as well as villains of that certain characterization they usually have brilliant plans but its the execution that isn`t so brilliant and Team Rocket have actually succeeded before with less power and less ambition that just goes to show where Eggman is they were compared to Eggman not in scheming or planning but in fashion and plot placement their not the real villains but their villains to show whose behind the curtains the real mastermind its that type of element cause even in a good amount of considered scenarios, Eggman and Sonic team up. Like I said it has nothing to with their resources its what they stand for and its what they end up bringing forth they allows things to come to pass and how is Eggman exactly better? Just because he has the better technology and has the much more suitable enemies he`s automatically better? That just means he fails on a higher scale with better expectations and standards that says something as it confirms my earlier points about my arguments. If you seen what Bowser has done other than go after Peach you wouldn`t underestimate him he`s done quite a lot its different from Eggman but it isn`t any less and Eggman is given more chances yet he never ever really improves, it takes Emerl and Shadow to heighten the stakes.

Team Rocket's plans succeed through pure PIS the characters even the smartest ones somehow fall for their tricks,(their disguises are so obvious its ridiculous.) its stupid. Its a horrible comparison for all villians, even the ones im supposedly downplaying are better villains than they were. gantu(to an extent but at least his strategies made sense) Hamsterviel(We both know more than enough of the guy to know that he is far more competent than team rocket.) And here is the difference, team rocket has fallen to virtually everything, their tech is weak and not well built and their pokemon and not even well trained especially considering every and i mean every time(unless im forgetting a few episodes) they went up against ash and co. they lost. And even if they won, the trainers come back and kick their asses again. By god they are only there for entertainment and gag feats and i love them because of their role but seriously saying eggman and even other scientist who are actually smarter and more competent than they are are on equal ground is ridiculous. I can honestly tell you with no BS that if eggman or most of the mentioned scientists in this debate were in the pokemon universe they would have a controlled army of pokemon on their side by now ready for invasion of cities or other worlds. I'm probably over-exaggerating but they would do so much more than team rocket that i can tell you honestly. Please stop comparing eggman to those guys. Execution is a factor to an extent but execution also relies on the factors that need to be executed in the first place. Eggman and sonic only teamed up when the world was in true danger(And even eggman needs a planet to rule) In lost world eggman teamed up with him for the sole reason of getting close to his machine right after that betraying him and tails like they saw coming.

How and in what way? Your only saying the anime feats are inconsistent when most if not all of them compliment the compatibility with the other media related feats for Stitch, Sonic`s comics are so much different than what is shown in the games its only here and there where there a few resemblances.

Yuna>Kixx based on what i saw in that video. a human girl ending up throwing stitch hard enough to hurt the experiments and hurt stitch himself when he hit a wall. Considering how kixx was tossing around peak humans as if they were nothing, its kind of surprising that little girls managed to hurt them. The tornado showing was compatible since he done it in several games the showing with the shield was compatible since sonic does the same thing via spin jumping. The showing that had to do with combat speed was compatible because sonic moves at hypersonic speeds. And has a few feats that prove that he is somewhat faster than his officially stated speed. A majority of Stitch's feats in the anime are barely compatible with him. There are some that do make sense and would be something stitch would be able to do but allot of them either contradict his powers in the original series or the movies such as rocks far smaller and weigh less than anything he usually bench presses giving him trouble(a forklift that jumba found managed to prevent it from crushing stitch by picking up the piece of rock)

Back to sparky, there is no real proof that sparky is hypersonic let alone moving at the speed of sound. Him going intangible and going through appliances is not really telling me anything either.

Going at the speed of sound(761 miles per hour) is fast enough to cross the standard distance for a mountain (8200 feet which is 2500 meters.) In 7 seconds And going at mach 10(top officially stated speed for sonic the hedgehog.) is fast enough to cross that distance in 0.77 seconds. I have no reason to believe that sparky is that fast. A laser moves at a relativistic speed of mach 30,000 in terms of speed, probably faster, Zap seemed not even close to be moving at that speed. Since you want to say that if super sonic could have taken down metal himself they would have made it that way, i'm going to do the same. If Zap was as fast as jumba said he was(which im pretty sure was hyperbole to begin with) Zap would have been designed in that fashion, we wouldn't be able to perceive and distinguish his figure, and he would be moving around fast and all we would see is light.

It was a lot more impressive and that`s speculative especially how durable it was, Sonic would win as well as showcase a great performance. They are light attacks, they are casual and Sonic directs himself with air currents as well as friction to increase damage also why wouldn`t it when those robots aren`t durable and the air currents carry them rather than Sonic himself which is why even in the comics he has to generate whirlwinds to do have these things performed in the first place also if you are to bring in the comic feats and I know as well as agree but that robot was pretty powerful.

Im not bringing in the comics, i only brought in the comics since i remembered some feats that go well with game sonic. Anyway sonic fought a robotic dinosaur made by eggman himself and far more impressive robots than that. The fact that you are saying its more impressive than eggman's mechs shows how far you are going to downplay eggman. Eggman has built far more impressive mechs in general.

And you keep saying light and casual but by physics it wouldn't be.

Sonic weighs 77 pounds and the speeds magikarp would be falling at is not even close to the speed of sound.(magikarp's weight with no wind resistance is 881 pounds) He has a top(officially stated) speed of mach 10 mind you. And the light speed attack with physics in play would be heavily painful. Stitch will feel attacks from sonic. Especially considering all his so called "consistent" feats.

Cool and I understand, but Stitch is one of the exceptions.

Not really.

It will, he has lasers, plasma blasts, energy nets and he can create acidic pulses with his saliva manipulation like he has shown.

That won't play a factor on sonic. And like i said none of that would play a factor against sonic's big time enemies since according to you stitch could beat all of them with the right gear. And based on all showcased gear none of it would work out on them.

You can call it PIS all you want but it has been shown and it has been done these are things that have happened that have nothing to do with Captain Cold.

Then you missed my point should I quote it again? My point was that Stitch other than speed can find ways in subduing Sonic as fast as they are their not fast enough to become untouchable and this shows that you have misinterpreted my point once again. Captain Cold has a consistency of feats challenging and besting Flash which is why he is worthy of being apart of the Rogues Gallery and wise enough to stand out, you can call it a bad example all you want but the feats are there.

Deathstroke not only has enhanced perception he basically predicted flash would run around the corner and did the old stick the leg out and trip trick, flash was likely not looking on the ground. Plus he was running in a straight line, Wonderwoman has high levels of combat speed that matches even superman and it seemed like she didn't even realized he was coming. Plus those are incredibly old. What i showed you was new 52. Plus flash holds back against his rogue gallery IIRC.

The way you are describing it is like you have been misinformed if you noticed I never said none of those things especially in the detail you are expressing it. When I mean Stitch adapts, I mean Stitch learns how and when to do better. That doesn`t suddenly mean that he can take on everyone in fiction it means to the right characters (Sonic being included) that Stitch would be able to find ways to win in this case with that being evident in this scenario since Sonic`s ONLY advantage is and will only be SPEED, now this is what I mean by adaption here is the official definition.

If you were only saying he would adapt in terms of intelligence and thinking against sonic then how come you were saying that stitch would eventually tag him?

And yo i had enough can we just stop this and do our closings on why we think our specific character wins? You go first. I joined up in two different CAVs and i have to prepare scans, and i need to prepare scans just in case my opponent from another CAV decides to come back.

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