CAV: Stingerrain (Travis Touchdown) vs nickzambuto (Daredevil)

@Stingerrain: Travis Touchdown

@nickzambuto: Daredevil

10 minutes of prep time.

Full knowledge for both.

Standard Equipment.

Bloodlusted.

Winner by Death.

Fight takes place in a casino:

They start out 100 feet away from each other.

@nickzambuto: Would you like to make the opening argument? Or shall I?

@Stingerrain said:

@nickzambuto: Would you like to make the opening argument? Or shall I?

I won't be able to engage until sometime tomorrow. You can go ahead and make an argument, or just wait for me.

@nickzambuto: I think imma just wait.

@nickzambuto: You still interested in debating this?

@Stingerrain

From my limited knowledge of Travis Touchdown, I believe this to be an entertaining fight, with Daredevil, unfortunately being the underdog.

However, that sits just fine with me as Daredevil is always the underdog. He's probably the only hero around who gets more sh*t then your friendly neighborhood and can still smile at the end of the day. Daredevil is known for beating the odds, and he's no stranger to superhumans. Travis is nothing new to him.

As with nearly every fight he's ever been in, Daredevil has two main advantages against Travis: speed and skill. Using his trademark agility and dexterity, the man without fear has successfully evaded, and defeated, people like Doc Ock and Electro - those are guys Spider-Man has trouble with.

Hell, to be even more direct Daredevil has fought on even ground with Spider-Man himself on numerous occasions!

Oh Silver Age, you were so lulzy...

Then there's his infamous speedblitz of Wolverine, lovely moment.

One of the single fastest and most skilled combatants in the entire Marvel U (reaction time of 0.032), deftly defeated by a quick nerve strike, courtesy of the man without fear.

Daredevil regularly fights foes outside his weight class and comes up smelling like roses. Travis will be no different. The casino pictured in OP gives Matt plenty of room to maneuver, and with his handy radar sense, no one is ever catching him off guard.

A sniper round going at mach speeds barely stuns Daredevil. We'll see if Travis can match ;D

@nickzambuto: Impressive; as usual.

I will admit, Matt is quite a speedster considering he's still human at the end of the day. However, while Daredevil has speed over Travis, Travis' reactions are quite impressive.

He's been shown to deflect bullets like no one's business.

5:14 - 5:26; he slices Dr. Peace's explosive bullet before it barely hits him, and survives the impact of it exploding on him and slamming him into a metal wall.

Speaking of, Travis' durability is also quite admirable.

You may think being slammed into a metallic wall by an explosion isn't impressive, however THIS is.

2:28 - 2:55; he survives not 2, not 3, but 4 grenades exploding on him.. then just stands up afterwards like nothing.

I doubt that DD has the damage output to harm someone with Durability like Travis.

Granted, Daredevil is still faster than Travis movement wise, however even with his significantly above peak human level speed, he isn't catching Travis anytime soon thanks to his superb reactions. Also, with full knowledge, Travis will more than likely play it smart and let DD come to him and then dice him up with his Beam Katana (which, by the way, has been shown to cut through human flesh like wet paper towels).

@Stingerrain

Daredevil is always smacking bullets straight out of the air. He's even saved Spider-Man from sniper fire with a busted arm.

In fact, Matt's perception is so advanced he can not only deflect bullets, but redirect them back at the shooter.

And if you wanna talk reaction time, look no more! Saving Elektra from a Bullseye-thrown playing card by catching it midair.

Badass.

Speaking of Bullseye, he's redirected gunfire back at the shooter from point blank on multiple occasions as well.

And Daredevil takes a shit on Bullseye.

So, as you can see, deflecting a single bullet isn't enough to claim superiority over Matt Murdock.

Speed, especially combat speed, should be firmly in Daredevil's corner. Not only that, but I believe the man with no fear to also hold an edge in the skill department, being one of the single greatest combatants in the entire Marvel U, outranking even the likes of Captain America and Black Panther. Each super soldier holds a vast stat advantage compared to Daredevil, speed included. So the fact that he regularly hangs with them both, and has even scored wins (or at least advantages) is a true testament to his absolute mastery of fighting.

But of course, skill won't do much when you can't harm your opponent. Matt is incredibly strong; wielding a 400 pound weight like a baseball bat and flipping a limo being high enders.

However, even that might not be enough to inflict sufficient damage to a guy like Travis. Which brings me to my next argument: pressure points.

Daredevil is one of the most common practitioners of nerve strikes and pressure points I know of. He's even gone so far as to dispatch Wolverine with a neck pinch. Ya know, Mr. "I-heal-from-being-reduced-to-a-skeleton".

Daredevil's knowledge of pressure strikes ranges so far as to causing someone blindness, and even tricking someone into thinking they're being burned.

It might take a bit of work, but in combination of Matt's intense skill and acrobatic ability, he should be capable of jumping around Travis, evading all strikes and laying down nerve hits at his own leisure.

Travis's sword will do some damage to Daredevil, but only after it makes contact. And that won't happen very soon.

@nickzambuto: I wasn't aware that Matt was knowledgeable in pressure points. Interesting.

Anyways. you're right, slicing a single bullet isn't all that impressive compared to DD. However, Travis is also capable of deflecting automatic gunfire; from lasers no less.

1:49 - 1:56

Also, even though he's not directly immune to pressure point strikes, he might as well be considering some of the crap he's survived.

2:45 - 4:12, survives being electrocuted, pounded/launched into the air, zapped by a laser into a wall, then zapped again by an even stronger laser.. then just gets up shortly afterwards and starts threatening him.

And even though DD has a considerable skill advantage, it should be noted that Travis' entire game centers around fighting people who are, in fact, more skilled than him (each of which are easily metahuman, by the way). Yet he still manages to best them in the end.

Which reminds me, Travis has quite the aim if I do say so myself. He managed to get an accurate strike on Harvey Volodarksii's eyes with his sword from quite a distance (also, take into consideration the fact that he perfectly hit Harvey's eyes and no other part of his face or body [using a freaking sword, no less]).

4:25 - 4:38

With aim like this, I'm sure he can get at least 2-3 hits on Matt (even with him hopping about). Which should be enough to turn him into Murdock confetti.

@Stingerrain

I wasn't aware that Matt was knowledgeable in pressure points. Interesting.

He's one of the best as a matter of fact. Even used them on Luke Cage once.

However, Travis is also capable of deflecting automatic gunfire; from lasers no less.

Daredevil has likewise blocked fully automatic gunfire, from barely 10 feet away no less.

Guys like Wolverine and Deadpool also do the same thing all the time, and we've seen how Daredevil handles them.

If raw speed isn't enough, Matt is more than just quick. His world class acrobatic skill and radar sense contribute greatly to his maneuverability.

Many people treat this as a skill feat for Daredevil. It's not. While the man with no fear has traded blows with America's Super Soldier on numerous occasions, this is not one of those times. Cap was using a juggernaut approach and wasn't fighting with skill. What actually makes this fight impressive, is that Cap, a character who's always been faster than Daredevil, fails to land a single blow on his opponent. That's a true testament to Matt's acrobatic skill, the ability to dance around a character who's speed grossly outclasses his own.

Also, even though he's not directly immune to pressure point strikes, he might as well be considering some of the crap he's survived.

Travis is indeed durable, but Matt Murdock isn't without his own endurance and inhuman willpower.

Gallery

^ Learning a natural radar sense from Stick after losing his

I doubt a pressure strike will one shot Travis, but if he gets his nerve clusters continuously pounded for hours on end by a guy who shatters bricks with jabs, he'll start to feel it eventually.

Which reminds me, Travis has quite the aim if I do say so myself.

With aim like this, I'm sure he can get at least 2-3 hits on Matt (even with him hopping about). Which should be enough to turn him into Murdock confetti.

Daredevil's skill with his billy club transcends beyond just beating thugs over the head with it. Time and time again, he's shown the ability to toss the weapon with such precision, taking up a Machine Gun would just be a detractor from his crime fighting ability. Hell, you can see in the above scans I posted how accurate he is.

There's also the fact that one of Daredevil's most prominent villains happens to be the single greatest marksman in the entire Marvel Universe.

If Bullseye isn't enough, there's also Cap.

Here, Daredevil takes on an entire Avenger's roster all at once (Batman be damned), pwning each one at a time, and in the process he catches Cap's bullet-speed shield, redirecting it at Hercules in the process, showcasing his intelligence.

Speaking of which, intelligence is another advantage I would give to Daredevil. Punisher has admitted Daredevil is smarter than him. You know, Punisher, the guy who humiliated the Sentry.

@Stingerrain Would you like to go to voting?

@nickzambuto: Eh, sure, why not.

So how exactly does it work? Is it like "First to X votes wins?" You'll have to forgive my naivete towards CAV; this my first time participating in one (or rather, the first time completing one, lol).

@Stingerrain said:

@nickzambuto: Eh, sure, why not.

So how exactly does it work? Is it like "First to X votes wins?" You'll have to forgive my naivete towards CAV; this my first time participating in one (or rather, the first time completing one, lol).

We just call out a bunch of users and hope to get a few votes. Let it go for a few days then whoever has more wins. For example,

@jashro44@CadenceV2@Esquire@Floopay@Mr_Ingenuity@Sherlock@Joygirl

@nickzambuto: @Stingerrain: Reading through.

I'll go with Travis... looks like it could certainly be close though.

@Joygirl said:

I'll go with Travis... looks like it could certainly be close though.

I think stingerrain takes this.

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@nickzambuto: @Stingerrain: Reading through.

Done.

Intriguing debate, I was impressed by Travis Touchdown's durability & reflexes.

While I do believe Travis Touchdown's reflexes equalizes Daredevils speed reflexes. Daredevil's skills (martial arts /pressure points, acrobatics, radar sense) trumps Travis Touchdown's durability.

Given that Daredevil is more tactical of the two I believe there is enough evidence here for Daredevil to pull a win.

@nickzambuto: has my vote.

*rolls eyes* ◔_◔

I think pressure points will give some victories to DD, but with Travis's durability and the fact that he only needs to get in a couple of hits, I think he'd take a majority. Especially with him showing DD-level reflexes with his deflections of bullets and the like. Good debate, both sides.

@Esquire said:

I think pressure points will give some victories to DD, but with Travis's durability and the fact that he only needs to get in a couple of hits, I think he'd take a majority. Especially with him showing DD-level reflexes with his deflections of bullets and the like. Good debate, both sides.

I assume you're voting for me.

@Stingerrain

HAHAHAHAHA!

@nickzambuto: I assumed that as well.

Then I read the whole thing.

@Esquire said:

I think pressure points will give some victories to DD, but with Travis's durability and the fact that he only needs to get in a couple of hits, I think he'd take a majority. Especially with him showing DD-level reflexes with his deflections of bullets and the like. Good debate, both sides.

@nickzambuto: LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!1!!

@Esquire said:

@Esquire said:

I think pressure points will give some victories to DD, but with Travis's durability and the fact that he only needs to get in a couple of hits, I think he'd take a majority. Especially with him showing DD-level reflexes with his deflections of bullets and the like. Good debate, both sides.

@nickzambuto: LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!1!!

I'm pretty hilarious I know.

@nickzambuto: @Stingerrain:

I think DD may be out of his league here. I vote for Travis.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay said:

@nickzambuto: @Stingerrain:

I think Travis may be out of his league here. I vote for DD.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay