VS.
Rules:
Here I go, and I might as well just copy paste the intro from the last CAV since its basically the same thing here. @rd1027
| Name | Ken Kaneki |
| Japanese Name | 金木 研（かねき けん） |
| Romaji | Kaneki Ken |
| Alias | Eyepatch / Centipede |
| Species | Artificial One-Eyed Ghoul Human (formerly) |
| Status | Alive |
| Age | 18 (until Chapter 64) 19 (from Chapter 64) |
| Gender | male |
| Birthday | December 20th |
| Height | 169cm |
| Weight | 55kg |
| Blood Type | AB |
Before I begin with everything else, I'd like to provide some generic information on ghouls, their kakugan and kagune snd Quinque used by the CCG investigators.
Ghouls are equipped with a kind of sonar, they can place themselves in the dark and collect vital information about human targets just from the sound and resonating vibrations.
Here's Shinohara sensei giving a lesson on how quinque's are made. They are made from a ghoul's Kagune.
Shinohara sensei explaining. Therefore, the more RC cell count, the tougher a Kagune is, the faster they can regenerate and heal.
Kaneki once tried to remove what he thought was an organ transplant from his body by puncturing the side of his stomach with a kitchen knife. That failed horribly too. There's a ridiculous healing factor to go along with it. And the scan below is from when Kaneki had been starving (not eating makes a ghouls regeneration dull). However this Kaneki's own feat as his donor was a special ghoul that could heal ridiculously fast, was strong and crazy fast.
The feat of Kaneki punching the mirror and cutting his fingers seem out of place, given that he could not get a kitchen knife swung into his stomach to pierce his skin, where the steel bent from the ridiculous amount of force Kaneki put into it. lol
There are 4 main types of ghouls depending on where on the body their Kakuhou (the RC cell pouch) is located.
There's a fifth type of Kagune, one that envelops the Ghoul's body as a whole. A ghoul can develop this kind of Kagune through cannibalism. Kaneki has an incomplete version of it (because he has not eaten as many ghouls, just Yamori iirc).
Kakujya types make up with all the strengths of the 4 types mentioned above with none of the weaknesses. Kaneki being incomplete still remedies part of the weaknesses. His defense is solid, his speed is more than Ukaku type and he does not tire easily. Kaneki is a Rinkaku type to begin with, so the transition to a Kakujya makes his regeneration even more wicked when he is in the mode.
Strength
- Strong enough to overpower Shachi, the indomitable man of Iron will, a Bikaku type and the leader of one of the wards of Tokyo. He can bust holes through a wall with just a kick. As Kaneki is saying, eating on other cannibal ghouls made his natural reflexes that much more profound and stronger. That hole when Sachi is thrown through is not Kaneki's doing. The walls open up when a Kagune is released near them.
Speed
Note: Shinohara has dealt with 2 dangerous Ghouls and 1 full Kakujya in the past. He is considered a monster even by human standards. And Kaneki proved he was faster than this guy. Kaneki blitzed Shinohara before he could even blink and easily pierced and damaged the corpse picker Kakujya Quinque.
Kagune
Kaneki's Rinkaku Kagune possess decisive power.
A single tentacle from Kaneki has enough power to let him go through three floors of a building.
We will get to the other stuff later, but how I see it, Spiderman has little to no options against Kaneki, even with a Quinque blade. His Kagune is fast enough to tag Peter and when that happens, I think you know full well Spidey is not as durable against piercing attacks.
@lowlaville: So sorry I couldn't post until now, was at class pretty much all day, now debating time!
Peter Benjamin Parker was born to C.I.A. agents Richard and Mary Parker, who were killed when Peter was very young. After the death of his parents, Peter was raised by his Uncle Ben and Aunt May in a modest house in Forest Hills, New York. While still in High School, Peter attended a science exhibition about radiology where he was bitten by a radioactive spider, granting him the proportionate strength and agility of a spider as well as a " Spider-Sense" that warns him of nearby danger. In order to test his new abilities – and earn some cash, Peter participated in a wrestling challenge against Crusher Hogan. He easily won the challenge and also gained the attention of the media. Afterwards while backstage, Peter saw a burglar run past him but did nothing to stop him as it wasn’t his problem. Later that night when Peter arrived home, he was told by a policeman that his Uncle Ben had been murdered by someone who broke into their house. The cop mentioned they had tracked the killer to a warehouse. In his anger Peter put on his wrestling costume and went after the murderer himself. After arriving at the warehouse and easily defeating Uncle Ben’s killer, Peter saw that it was the same burglar he didn’t stop at the arena… thus learning that "with great power comes great responsibility".
Speed:
As you can see, he's too fast for the human eye to perceive.
Too fast for computers to track
Traveling miles in seconds.
Speed blitzing Daredevil, who has superhuman senses.
Good example of combat speed, moves pretty much at a blur.
As you can see, Spidey is incredibly fast, arguably one of the fastest ever street levelers.
Reflexes/Spider Sense:
Tagging quicksilver
Various bullet time feats, they dont do anything to him
Dodging lasers
Even dodging ironman.
Yet another feat of his spider sense allowing him to dodge lasers
As you can see, when spiderman is serious, he virtually cant be touched by any street leveler.
Strength:
Punching ironman through a building.
Holding up an airliner on crash landing. 75,000lbs + 30,000 lbs = 105,000lbs= roughly 52.5 TONS not including the air resistance.
Also take this as you will
Flicking away a train car
Lifting the daily effing bugle.
As you can see, Spidey has all of the tools to beat ken, this is just a intro so as the CAV progresses and as needed, I will go into more of his powers and feats. Your move @lowlaville
That's pretty cool, but some of the scans you posted has Symbiote Spiderman. Are you using a composite version here? And, the pics you posted in spoilers does not show.
Looks like Spiderman has definite travel speed, as far as reaction goes, Kaneki has outpaced machine gun fire and rifle fire, and also outraced lightning.
As you see here, Kaneki is running on walls and the roof. He is not a clinger like Spiderman is, its pure speed that he can use to defy gravity.
This is Kaneki dodging a Kagune which fires projectiles as fast as a machine gun.
And this is while suffering from brain damage after having being impaled through his left eye.
I won't exactly say that Kaneki is at a loss for reaction speed. And if Spiderman was actually as fast as you claim he is, he'd never have been hit by a sniper.
As far strength goes, apart from the "4th strongest" part, while the strength appears pretty good, it's at least evenly matched by Kaneki. His application of strength is quite different, as he uses his Kagune to pulverize a target. Two of his Kagune lets him punch someone down through three floors.
Now here's a weaker copy of Kaneki tearing through a reinforced metal container.
And Kaneki shredding through a Kakujya armor thats supposed to be durable enough to stop Kaneki's prior assault without suffering decapitation.
The above picture is from Kaneki's battle with Shinohara who is wearing the same armor as Amon is wearing when his arm got cut off. If one lets Kaneki cut through reinforced metal with no trouble and two lets him push down through three floors of a building and an armor that could resist being cut (only giving Shinohara a couple of broken ribs) by Kaneki using 3 tentacles which later he cut... well as far as I know Spiderman does not have this kind of cutting force durability. Especially if he got punctured through by a sniper bullet.
Kaneki puts an end to Spiderman with little to no trouble whatsoever.
@lowlaville: The black suit did not change anything much in spiderman, the only time Spidey got amped was because of the other, and I'm using feats before and after the enhancement.
The spoiler images are not working? They work fine for me. Again here they are though
Bullet time feats.
Strength feat. I have explained it before, its roughly 52.5 tons without factoring in air resistance. I seriously doubt Ken has any feats of this level strength wise. Spiderman when he's not jobbing is more than capable of this, as shown in the other scan I posted him of lifting the daily bugle.
Now I want to regard the post where Spidey got tagged. He was trying to save Captain America. The scans I have posted have more than shown that he's a bullet timer, but why not post some more for the heck of it.
If that's not definitive proof then there's this
He escaped a bullet at point blank range before the bullet was even out of the chamber. A non jobbing spiderman is never getting hit by bullets.
More speed feats:
Speed blitzing during the Civil War.
Using his spider sense to his fullest and using the way of the spider, I see no way for Ken to even hit spiderman, coupled with the feats I put of him easily being more than a bullet timer, too fast for computers to track, and more than capable of dodging lasers.
Now to address his durability, keep in mind Rhino is a 80 tonner.
Another durability feat.
Tanking a bus and his own punches (of which I already showed you his striking power).
Taking hits from the phoenix five
As for his strength. The feats you posted just dont match up to Spidey's As I have explained before, his strength is much higher than Ken's. Spidey can stop a airplane from crashing, and support the weight of a building, both easily above 50 tons.
Staggering the Hulk.
Sending Venom flying. Ken's striking power feats are not greater than Peter's. This coupled with the sword that Peter has and his speed/agility is going to make it very hard for Ken to win. This is without even going into his webbing
Supports the weight of a building through his webbing. His webbing has the tensile strength of 120 pounds per square millimeter. That would mean that you need to apply 54 kilograms of strength just to break a millimeter thick strand of Spidey’s webbing. You would apply over half a ton of force to break a CENTIMETER thick strand of it. Now think when he sprays it all over your body. The force required to break that amount of Spidey’s webbing would be insane.
I see no way how Ken can avoid this, especially if Spiderman web spams.
Your move @lowlaville
@rd1027: Nevermind, there was an image bug. Since I reported it on the forum, looks like it got fixed.
bullet time is fine as it is, however here is the fact, he got impaled through by a sniper bullet. Even given the fact that he was trying to save cap, with the feats you have shown for, that sniper round should not even touch Spiderman. But it did.
This speaks a lot about Spiderman's durability in the area as well as his personal speed. It is nowhere on the level you presume it is. Sure it's impressive, but its nowhere beyond what Kaneki can handle. And if a bullet can do that, one of Kaneki's Kagune can do this really easily.
@deathhero61: @those_eyes@boringperson: @smxlr8: @spidey_jackson:
@lowlaville: going to make one last post then open this for voting
So far you have showed one piece of evidence that Spidey has been tagged by a bullet, when in fact he was focused on saving Cap's life. A non jobbing spiderman would never ever do that.
His reactions are so fast that he can even web bullets out of the air (also a webbing feat, as the force of a bullet is not enough to penetrate his webs
Face it, he casually dodges bullets for fun
Even dodges lasers for fun
Do you still need more proof? His spider sense detecting teleportation.
His webbing is so strong that Rouge cant break out of it
Also casually swats away wolverine and tags nightcrawler in said scan.
You also provided no counter to his striking strength, as well as the Quinque sword he would wield. I have proved that his reflexes are sufficient enough to simply cut through Ken's tentacles.
Throwing wolverine through unbreakable glass
Also you failed to provide an adaquate counter to his webbing which would certainly help in any fight against Ken. As for durability
Surviving building destroying explosions.
Surviving a freaking building being collapsed ontop of him
Do I need to say anything more about this scan? Surviving a very very very large explosion by a missile.
Tanks cars being thrown at him by Hercules.
I have more than countered your reasonable points with my own and have provided substantial evidence that Spider-Man does indeed have what it takes to beat Ken. From speed, to his reflexes, to his webbing, to his combat prowess, to his strength and striking power, the only things you have shown me is that Ken is slightly more durable than Spidey and even that is debatable from the scans I have posted.
I rest my case and open this to voting.
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