CaV: Sokka (GothamCiti) vs Zuko (americanspeeddemon) - [FINISHED]

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Sokka (GothamCiti) vs Zuko (americanspeeddemon)
Sokka (GothamCiti) vs Zuko (americanspeeddemon)

Rules:

Sokka and Zuko are End of Series with prior knowledge and no prep.

Sokka has his Trusty Boomerang, Space Sword, and Wolf Armor.

Zuko has his Dao blades and cannot use bending.

No comic feats.

Fighting distance is 30 ft.

Win by KO or Death.

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@gothamciti: i'll post in a few hours you can go first if you want

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Interesting. T4V

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Sokka

"Sokka, the meat and sarcasm guy."

Intro:

Sokka is a Water Tribe member who was unable to bend any of the four elements of his universe, water, earth, fire, and air. Despite this, he was the essential strategist for Team Avatar in the Hundred Year war and eventually a skilled warrior who would grow and gain new experiences from his journey with his sister Katara, and friends, Aang, Suki, Toph, and Zuko to defeat the Fire Lord Ozai.

Weapons/Skills

Sokka is a highly accurate marksmen through his signature weapon of a boomerang, and a proficient swordsman with his Jian blade forged from a meteorite.

It always comes back...
It always comes back...
Here we see Sokka able to easily knock out an Earth bender with a single hit.
Here we see Sokka able to easily knock out an Earth bender with a single hit.
His Trusty Boomerang is accurate and sharp enough to easily cut through hanging rope.
His Trusty Boomerang is accurate and sharp enough to easily cut through hanging rope.
Sokka's boomerang not only gets a direct hit on Mai's weapon, but it also successfully comes back to him while he's still moving on Appa.
Sokka's boomerang not only gets a direct hit on Mai's weapon, but it also successfully comes back to him while he's still moving on Appa.
Of course Sokka's most imfamous boomerang feat was against the powerful Combustion Man which managed to daze him enough to block his Chi, leading to SSBM's death.
Of course Sokka's most imfamous boomerang feat was against the powerful Combustion Man which managed to daze him enough to block his Chi, leading to SSBM's death.
What's most impressive was how Sokka managed to get a direct hit from his target hundreds of feet away and hundred's of feat high all from estimating an angle from his blasts while Sokka couldn't even see him.
What's most impressive was how Sokka managed to get a direct hit from his target hundreds of feet away and hundred's of feat high all from estimating an angle from his blasts while Sokka couldn't even see him.

After some training, Sokka is able to soon easily best Piandao's student: Fat in a sword duel.
After some training, Sokka is able to soon easily best Piandao's student: Fat in a sword duel.
Sokka later had a formal duel with Master Piandao. Although he eventually lost, Sokka showed great intelligence, agility, and ingenuity which Piandao praised.
Sokka later had a formal duel with Master Piandao. Although he eventually lost, Sokka showed great intelligence, agility, and ingenuity which Piandao praised.
The space sword is able to effortlessly cut metal turrets...
The space sword is able to effortlessly cut metal turrets...
Which means Zuko must be extra careful.
Which means Zuko must be extra careful.

Intelligence/Resourcefulness

Sokka is very intelligent and is known for his strategical mind and ingenuity on and off battle. Since he is Team Avatar's official idea guy, Sokka is smart enough to come up with plans on the spot which can help him in his duel with Zuko.

Even in his more humble days, Sokka was still smart enough to figure out how a hot air balloon functions (which was technologically advanced for the Avatar world then).
Even in his more humble days, Sokka was still smart enough to figure out how a hot air balloon functions (which was technologically advanced for the Avatar world then).
Here we see Sokka taking out the powerful spirit: Wan Shi Tong who was unfazed by the rest of the Gaang with the element of suprise through Sokka style.
Here we see Sokka taking out the powerful spirit: Wan Shi Tong who was unfazed by the rest of the Gaang with the element of suprise through Sokka style.
As part of his training with Piandao, Sokka was able to quickly come up with a plan to manipulate his surroundings to his advantage for rock gardening session.
As part of his training with Piandao, Sokka was able to quickly come up with a plan to manipulate his surroundings to his advantage for rock gardening session.
During Sozin's Comet, Sokka was able to come up with a successful plan to destroy several Fire Nation airships.
During Sozin's Comet, Sokka was able to come up with a successful plan to destroy several Fire Nation airships.
During his duel with Piandao, Sokka was resourceful enough to block Piandao's use of his sword.
During his duel with Piandao, Sokka was resourceful enough to block Piandao's use of his sword.
Sokka is also cunning enough to throw sand in Piandao's eyes to Sokka's advantage.
Sokka is also cunning enough to throw sand in Piandao's eyes to Sokka's advantage.
Lastly, Sokka was able to efficiently come up with a plan to chop bamboo sticks in Piandao's path to slow him down while using his environment to his advantage.
Lastly, Sokka was able to efficiently come up with a plan to chop bamboo sticks in Piandao's path to slow him down while using his environment to his advantage.

Agility/Reflexes

Often highly underestimated, Sokka has impressive agility and reflexes which can help him hold his own against skilled opponents such as in this case Zuko.

A less experienced and sleep deprived Sokka was still agile enough to cut through several of Mai's knifes after they were thrown...
A less experienced and sleep deprived Sokka was still agile enough to cut through several of Mai's knifes after they were thrown...
And Mai is accurate enough to tag several Fire benders.
And Mai is accurate enough to tag several Fire benders.
Although he lost horribly against the highly skilled Ty Lee in their first encounter, Sokka was quick enough to dodge some of her blows in a rematch.
Although he lost horribly against the highly skilled Ty Lee in their first encounter, Sokka was quick enough to dodge some of her blows in a rematch.
Sokka is able to avoid a sucker strike which could have easily decapitated him and blocks Piandao's next slash.
Sokka is able to avoid a sucker strike which could have easily decapitated him and blocks Piandao's next slash.
Sokka was also able to easily pull himself up to a higher ledge to give himself an advantage.
Sokka was also able to easily pull himself up to a higher ledge to give himself an advantage.
Sokka again ducks a slash to his head from Piandao.
Sokka again ducks a slash to his head from Piandao.
Sokka impressively dodges several sword slashes which could have killed him at any point.
Sokka impressively dodges several sword slashes which could have killed him at any point.
Here's yet another ducking feat which is the most impressive imo. Sokka had his focus distracted yet was still able to react just in time to a potential decapitation.
Here's yet another ducking feat which is the most impressive imo. Sokka had his focus distracted yet was still able to react just in time to a potential decapitation.
Some more instances of Sokka's agility and reflexes.
Some more instances of Sokka's agility and reflexes.
In the Day of the Black Sun, Sokka was agile enough to jump on the head off a charging rhino, cut off a wooden spear, and steal a ride all while keeping momentum.
In the Day of the Black Sun, Sokka was agile enough to jump on the head off a charging rhino, cut off a wooden spear, and steal a ride all while keeping momentum.
An impressive instance of reflexes against Sozin Comet Fire benders. Sokka reacted while a soilder already firebended and was able to quickly grab his sword to cut of a steel platform all with a broken leg.
An impressive instance of reflexes against Sozin Comet Fire benders. Sokka reacted while a soilder already firebended and was able to quickly grab his sword to cut of a steel platform all with a broken leg.

How the battle will go:

Sokka will start off with a boomerang throw which Zuko might initally dodge. Sokka will hold his own in close quarters before running away to hide in trees. Zuko then gets tagged with the boomerang which either knocks Zuko out or Sokka engages him again in close quarter combat. Sokka's reflexes and Wolf Armor make any tags Zuko gets be flesh wounds. Then Sokka throws dirt in Zuko's eyes which gives Sokka the opening to kill Zuko.

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Your move!
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Firelord Zuko/ The Blue Spirit

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Firelord Zuko is incredibly skilled even without the use of his bending. For a long time he went by the name the Blue spirit and fought using two Dao swords. He has shown expertise with these swords able to take down numerous opponents and fight skilled enemies like Jet.

Speed

Zuko has proven to be very fast. He has been able to swipe Arrows out of the sky.

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Easily dodges a point blank fireblasts.

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He moved from under a cart in seconds.

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He has also intercepted Azula's Lightning blasts.

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Strength

Zuko has kick large boulders out of the air and broken chains.

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Skill

Zuko has shown excellent skill. He has taken down numerous spearmen without even drawing his sword.

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Takes down multiple firebending soldiers easily.

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Demonstrates an impressive level of Agility.

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Also this always impressed me

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Overall Zuko has demonstrated much better Strength, Speed, and skill. While he isn't as smart as Sokka he isn't unable to concoct plans and avoid traps. Due to the stat and skill gap Zuko will be able to pull off the fight.

Counters

How the battle will go:

Sokka will start off with a boomerang throw which Zuko might initally dodge.

What if Zuko cuts it out of the air?

Sokka will hold his own in close quarters before running away to hide in trees. Zuko then gets tagged with the boomerang which either knocks Zuko out

I doubt he'd fall for that trick again.

or Sokka engages him again in close quarter combat. Sokka's reflexes and Wolf Armor make any tags Zuko gets be flesh wounds. Then Sokka throws dirt in Zuko's eyes which gives Sokka the opening to kill Zuko.

The eyes are blocked partially when wearing his mask. Also Sokka isn't killing Zuko with morals on.

What I think will happen

Sokka throws his boomerang which Zuko easily deflects he then goes in close quarters combat with Zuko gaining the advantage. Sokka breaks off to try to gain an advantage. He ends up trying to sneak attacking Zuko, but fails as Sokka is not stealthy, Zuko reacts, disarms Sokka, and finally KOs him with a kick.

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General Rebuttals

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Zuko has kick large boulders out of the air and broken chains.

Zuko's strength feat is impressive but ultimately irrelevant since Sokka's sword has the striking strength to match if not surpass Zuko's strength through being able to chop down boulders, metal turrets, and steel platforms without any effort.

Overall Zuko has demonstrated much better Strength, Speed, and skill.

I will admit this won't be easy for Sokka, but I don't feel it will be a total cakewalk for Zuko either. While Zuko's speed and skills are great, Sokka was able to keep up with Master Piando who was pretty much the most skilled non bender in the entire series. While you could argue Piando was going easy on him, Sokka still could have been easily killed numerous times, and to be able to survive more than 2 minutes with him is impressive.

While he isn't as smart as Sokka he isn't unable to concoct plans and avoid traps. Due to the stat and skill gap Zuko will be able to pull off the fight.

But because Zuko tends to engage in all out brawls and mostly isn't at a disadvantage, Zuko has every reason to underestimate Sokka while it's the opposite for Sokka. Since Sokka knows Zuko's dangerous, he doesn't have to constantly engage in close quarter combat and can use the environment to his advantage.

Piando even admitted that it was primarily his creativity and ingenuity which impressed him, and is all Sokka needs to outlast Zuko.

What if Zuko cuts it out of the air?

It's a possibility, but even if Zuko does, I have confidence he won't be able to destroy it. Sokka's boomerang is sharp and isn't notably fragile. Sokka can eventually grab his boomerang again anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olBMqfQhxAk

I doubt he'd fall for that trick again.

Sokka doesn't necessarily have to attack him directly. While hiding behind a tree, Sokka can angle his boomerang to fly in a way which Zuko can't notice or hear until it's too late. Since Zuko and the others such as Mai and Ty Lee were unable to react or hear the boomerang from behind, Sokka should still be able to tag Zuko.

The eyes are blocked partially when wearing his mask.

Fair enough about Zuko's masks, but Sokka could still damage it at the very least.

Also Sokka isn't killing Zuko with morals on.

Sokka also has demonstrated no qualms over killing in the series.

https://youtu.be/tWJzENvAsZw?t=98

While preparing for the battle on Sozin's Comet, Sokka chastises Aang for not killing Melon Lord and nonchalantly cuts off the melon's head as a example for Aang. This shows Sokka would have been desensitized enough to actually kill Ozai given the chance if he didn't feel it was Aang's destiny.

https://youtu.be/NqLW7D2P1HE?t=69

When encountering Azula at the Boiling Rock, Sokka outright went for a slash she ducked and another strike that missed by 2 inches away from Azula's face and he clearly had no issue trying to kill her if he could.

So in character Sokka should have no moral diliema over trying to kill Zuko if he has to in an all out fight.

Rebuttals for Battle Plan counters

Sokka throws his boomerang which Zuko easily deflects

Once again if Zuko deflects the boomerang, Sokka will be able to grab it again eventually, and Sokka could throw the boomerang around Zuko as well. So Zuko will be distracted while focusing on Sokka.

he then goes in close quarters combat with Zuko gaining the advantage.

Neither will necessarily have an advantage in close quarter combat because Sokka has demonstrated reflexes against Piando and bending mooks (just like Blue Spirit Zuko) to survive against several slashes and keep up.

Sokka breaks off to try to gain an advantage. He ends up trying to sneak attacking Zuko, but fails as Sokka is not stealthy,

Just cause Sokka broke a branch once doesn't mean he can't be stealthy.

Sokka could slow Zuko down by cutting off various huge trees in the forest they're in which can either result in an opening for Sokka while Zuko is busy cutting trees, or Sokka gains enough distance to hide in a tree. If Sokka hides in a tree, he could either angle an accurate hit from behind Zuko, or he could use the element of suprise to attack once Zuko gets close.

There's a lot of possibilities for Sokka in this fight since it's anything goes. Zuko hasn't demonstrated the same level of critical thinking as Sokka in encounters and will be at a disadvantage in this case.

Zuko reacts, disarms Sokka, and finally KOs him with a kick.

Sokka can still dodge, run away, and grab his sword again, and block Zuko's kick with his sword.

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No bending? Sokka stomps. Space sword effortlessly cuts through Zuko's dao, Sokka is alluded to being the better swordsman, and Sokka is smarter, the better tactician. I think Sokka with his intelligence and wit will purposely anger Zuko and then take advantage of it..

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No bending? Sokka stomps. Space sword effortlessly cuts through Zuko's dao, Sokka is alluded to being the better swordsman, and Sokka is smarter, the better tactician. I think Sokka with his intelligence and wit will purposely anger Zuko and then take advantage of it..

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Uh...who or what is CAV?

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#19  Edited By GothamCiti

@ya_idjits said:

Uh...who or what is CAV?

CaV stands for Challenge a Viner which a formal debate between only 2 people which is judged by how well you debate rather than who wins.

Other viners aren't allowed to say who they think wins, and can only vote or say their opinion after the CaV is over.

You can still comment to request to be tagged when voting starts to vote who debated better.

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#20  Edited By Ya_Idjits

So someone just challenged me? I'm new here, fresh in from lurking, so I'm still blundering around trying to find my way.

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So someone just challenged me? I'm new here, fresh in from lurking, so I'm still blundering around trying to find my way.

This CaV is between me and americanspeeddemon.

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i enjoy reading these.

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@gothamciti Okay I just deleted my post. I'll repost tommorrow

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@americanspeeddemon: Damn...For future CaVs, you should try copy and pasting your post and have a couple duplicate tabs to avoid issues with Comic Vine's appetite.

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@gothamciti: sorry i'll repost either tonight or tomorrow had a lot of exams and stuff

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@gothamciti: sorry i'll repost either tonight or tomorrow had a lot of exams and stuff

Oh sorry. I didn't know you had exams.

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RIP the best CaV ever

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@gothamciti: Sorry way too much stuff going on right now for me to do CaVs

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Well now that it's ended I can post this

http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Swordbending

Zuko and Sokka fought in comics, I believe it's canon

As for voting, gonna have to go with @gothamciti

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This is sad . Was getting so interesting . Anyway , I will be voting for @gothamciti .

He has shown feats of Sokka that is pretty impressive and rebuttals are a tad stronger . Good CaV . Really enjoyed reading it

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@arcus said:

Well now that it's ended I can post this

http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Swordbending

Zuko and Sokka fought in comics, I believe it's canon

As for voting, gonna have to go with @gothamciti

I see. It might be canonically dubious because it was pretty much a filler story that wasn't directly written or supervised by the main creators like The Search or The Promise, and was mostly comedic (we all know Sokka becomes a buttmonkey in those instances) but Idk.

Plus, the duels there were pretty much strictly sword fights where an opponent can win by disarming or ringout, whereas I intended here a more all out fight for Sokka to take advantage of his resoucefulness, persistance, and boomerang to the very end.

Anyways, thanks to everyone who still bothered voting for me.