CAV: Palpatine (ComicStooge) vs Dante (NeonGameWave): VOTE

You actually had four vote at that point

Myself,Lvenger,Nickzabuto and Uberhikari and now dccomicsrule2011's vote

5-1 in your favour

@s0n_of_d3adp00l, @limpoyzloan, @kingjohnrocks, @floopay, @princearagorn1, @jackknight, @thedarklordpandamonium, @dratini1331, @jokergeist, @ghostrider2, @ultimatehero0406

My vote goes to @neongamewave. If you look at the context of his claims of Dante's speed and feats, I'd say that they're pretty spot on. Comicstooge did a good job as well, but I give the edge to NeonGameWave.

My vote also goes to @neongamewave

i vote for neongamewave.

what he's shown me suggests dante could defeat palpatine

I pretty much had to vote for @comicstooge.

Realistically, the speed was the biggest factor here. Comicstooge represented Palpatine's speed a lot better, whereas neongamewave only had the whole 'lightning dodging' thing; I came out fairly convinced that Palpatine was at least twice as fast as Dante if not more so. I saw a few mentions of Dante being FTL in Devil Trigger, but no real evidence or calcs for this.

Palpatine's precog also played a factor in my decision; knowing where Dante would go would, as comicstooge pointed out, play a HUGE factor. He also pointed out that Palpatine has gotten through very high durability time and time again, getting past the Royal Guard.

Dante's main prowess, shooting, was also more or less irrelevant. As comicstooge pointed out Palpatine would be able to redirect the shots, and while the Royal Guard would let Dante redirect back, Palpatine's ability to drain energy from ANYWHERE was huge in this fight.

@neongamewave:

Gets my vote.

Comicstooge 6 - 5 Neongamewave

While both sides did a great job, my vote goes to @neongamewave, I think his arguments were very strong and were proof worthy enough to prove why Dante could defeat Palpatine.

No, I completely agree that Dante is far far passed lightning speed. He's fought more than enough enemies who shoot lightning to prove that. However, the speed of light is far different than that of lightning. Dante is massively hypersonic, but light speed is in an entirely different ball game. Even if DT increases his stats by 10, he's still no where near light speed.

@petey_is_spidey: i think it's 6 - 6 now

First, Dante is not a planet wrecker. He has NO feats to suggest this. In fact, in all of the videos I've ever seen of Dante he's shown as being a high-tier street leveler. He never even busts a city or town or city block for that matter.

Second, Dante is NOT as fast as lightning. Again, there are no feats to suggest this. There's really no evidence at all to suggest that Blitz is as fast as lightning or that Alastor really gives Dante lightning reflexes and/or combat speed. And even if Dante was as fast as lightning, lightning certainly isn't as fast as you claim. Lightning only reaches speeds of 94,000 miles per second in a vacuum. Atmospheric lightning is WAY slower at 244,000 mph. But you also claimed that Dante is FTL, which is definitely not true.

Actually he is considering how much demonic raw output he has within Majin Form and Sparda DT, within his Sparda DT he was able to easily destroy massive rocks and Abigail as well as Mundus have shown levels of damage that are planetary but Dante`s forms have shown greater output, high-tier street leveler? This is how I know you haven`t played any of these games and even if you did you wouldn`t know the material based on these nonfactual claims that your putting to the forefront, The Savior, Abigail and The Despair Embodied have shown levels of damage above city level, Dante has shown a lot greater outputs of damage than all of them so it would make sense for him to produce that level of energy and notice how I said Majin Form plus Sparda DT, not exclusively either its the combined might of both.

Yes he is. You haven`t played any of these games, Blitz is lightning itself, its a lightning demon and Alastor is a lightning blade, if I was incorrect then your saying the developers are incorrect. Within the official lore Alastor is confirmed as giving Dante lightning reflexes, combat speed and so on so forth, the point you overlook is that Dante has surpassed the speed of lightning during DMC 4 within his human form and not transformations which illustrates my point about the logical perspective of him being able to reach at least relativistic speeds which I made more mention of more than FTL and Dante usually holds back yet he manages to move at these speeds a bloodlusted Dante wouldn`t hold back, I never seen Dante extremely bloodlusted. I bet if it was a comic book and its respective character you would give them the benefit of the doubt but since its a video game and a video game character, your going to limit it.

I understand where your coming from, but Dante has shown to move passed massively hypersonic speeds during DMC 3 - DMC 4 and Dante has moved within these speed ranges in base form not DT form which increases his attributes dramatically a bloodlusted Dante would be plausible considering he`s near relativistic speed at lowest.

That's a completely baseless assumption though. Dante doesn't have any feats that place him anywhere close to lightspeed. Powerscaling is ok, and it's no secret that Dante gets a lot more powerful as the series progresses, but powerscaling doesn't bring him anywhere close to lightspeed. Is DMC2 Dante over eight hundred thousand times faster than DMC3? Hell no, he's like, maybe 3 or 4. So even at his most powerful, Dante isn't lightspeed.

But he would be above lightning and massively hypersonic levels of speed though so realistically he would be able to come close in rage at least, I didn`t focus too much on the FTL aspect only that Dante could come close but FTL seemed pretty logical and since he hasn`t shown his full potential even in his human form it makes my point more sound but I understand your point and you brought up a lot of awesome as well as fair points and I respect that.

Vote goes to @neongamewave:

His argument is sufficient to make you side with dante.

6-7, your favour.

@jedixman as the resident Star Wars buff, do you think I did a reasonable job using Palpatine?

Yes, especially since you used quotes from Darth Plagueis.

@comicstooge Gets my vote.

Thanks, man.

7-7, tie.

And I listened to the Darth Plagueis audiobook. Great stuff.

@neongamewave should win here IMO

I vote for @comicstooge

Sorry, neon, but you /really/ wanked a lot here.

@theorder14, @the_red_viper, @carter_esque, @nighthunder,

My vote goes to @neongamewave

9,8 - your favour.

Bump.

@veshark and @veitha, would you guys happen to have a say in this?

I'm gonna have to decline, since I'm not particularly versed in either franchise. I tried to give it a read, but about halfway through neongamewave's post, I realized there's a fair bit I don't follow, so I can't make a well-informed vote.

No problem, man.

I'll vote for @neongamewave

10, 8 - your favour.

When should we stop voting?

Up to you, I`m fine with either way of it being now or later to a couple of votes.

Let's say by the end of tomorrow?

I`m fine with that.

Cool.

Last chance for voting.

Anyone else want to have their say?

Do movie feats for palpatine not count?

I vote for NeonGameWave

Going to go ahead and vote for NeonGameWave.

Well, the Expanded Universe does a much greater job of showing the power and skill of the characters, so it's better to use them.

11, 8 - your favour.

@comicstooge said:

Just seems to me that if you include movie feats, there are many many feats that would surely bring down the average of palpatine significantly, I mean the movie feats have comparatively pathetic showings, where palpatine never moves as fast as even sound, and is killed by being slowly picked up and dropped to his death.

The novelization of the book is pretty much as canon as the movie is.

And in regards to the whole "Vader slowly picked up Palpatine" that was for plot purposes only, otherwise Palpatine would have just turned around and incinerated Vader with lightning.

Regardless, Palpatine's best showings weren't known by that point.

Not to mention Palpatine's body was ridiculously old and decrepit at that point in time, as well as heavily ravaged from Darkside degradation.

12 to 8, your favour.

I believe the voting limit along with the voting time has now reached its end, does that mean I win?

Sure does, dude. :)

Good work, I enjoyed this debate.

Thanks and you did an amazing job too!! It was a real pleasure!