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Rules

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  • Don't vote untill all debaters have agree'd on voting time
  • Naruto gets 4 tails
  • Luffy gets up to gear 2
  • Win by death/KO
  • Natsu Gets dragonforce
  • Pre-Dangai ichigo

YAHEMET

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This look cool

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Despite having a clear winner in mind, I'm gonna be watching this one.

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D*mn should have put Tsuna name in while ya'll was setting this up.

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F YES! Okay 5 WAY BATTLE ROYAL!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh uh, by tsuna, you mean tsunade, from naruto right?

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@thatguywithheadphones said:

@nighthunder said:

@thatguywithheadphones: You can join if you really want that bad, BOY THIS IS GUNNA B GUD

...YES PUT ME IN!! :D

wait, wouldn't tsuna's light speed reflexes be a little too much here? (Don't know a lot about him)

pfftt reflex you mean he only did that once, and that require help from reborn, but we can make it just Vongola Gear Tsuna to be safe.

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FLAME WAR TIME

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F YES! Okay 5 WAY BATTLE ROYAL!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh uh, by tsuna, you mean tsunade, from naruto right?

umm...N..no Tsunade would get insta smashed in this I mean Tsunayoshi of Kakekyo Hitman Reborn!

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@princearagorn1 said:

@thatguywithheadphones said:

@nighthunder said:

@thatguywithheadphones: You can join if you really want that bad, BOY THIS IS GUNNA B GUD

...YES PUT ME IN!! :D

wait, wouldn't tsuna's light speed reflexes be a little too much here? (Don't know a lot about him)

pfftt reflex you mean he only did that once, and that require help from reborn, but we can make it just Vongola Gear Tsuna to be safe.

Well, I'm fine if you think it's fair.

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Alright who wants to make the opener? Not it

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Not it

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Not it~

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hehe not it

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Ok, here we go.

What is a 'kurosaki ichigo'?

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It's a hybrid human-death God-fullbringer-quincy. His forms, relevant to the thread, (so nighthunder can distinguish them) are as follows:

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Getting down to his advantages in the fight,

  • Fighting skills:

Though ichigo didn't specifically train for gaining new fighting techniques, or sword skills, he knows his way around in a fight, allowing him to fight on par with people with far more experience and sometimes, even with more strength.

Primary example would be Exchange with ikkaku:

This is the first noteworthy fight after he gained his shikai:

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Not only he's able to perfectly keep up with ikkaku, someone who spent his whole life fighting, but in a short interval, he gets used to a weapon he never faced before.

His reflexes, and senses are extremely well honed as well:

Fight with byakuya:

dodging attack at the last moment, borderline reflexive reaction
dodging attack at the last moment, borderline reflexive reaction
and again.
and again.

with fine toned reflexes, he has repeatedly dodged blows far faster than himself almost on instinct. This happens in almost every fight, including grimmjow, and cifer.

Fight with zaraki:

blocking zaraki
blocking zaraki
another fine display of good dodge, and a well placed kick to free his sword.
another fine display of good dodge, and a well placed kick to free his sword.
here, he did could not see zaraki, who had vanished. but still manages to block the blow
here, he did could not see zaraki, who had vanished. but still manages to block the blow
able to fight by hearing sound
able to fight by hearing sound

So he's not only skilled in swordsmanship, but also able to rely on senses other than his eye.

  • Tracking/Sensing skills:

He has shown advanced senses, ability to trace spirits/life force, called as reiraku:

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In moments, he's able to trace the bird and spirit to where ever they was

He retains this ability, as he later checks yuzu and karin's saftey after arriving to fight aizen all the way back to his home.

though this ability is rarely used as all his fights are one on one, it's definitely very helpful against multiple opponents, and ninjas like naruto who tend to hide their clones (yup, no punching him from ground)

Strength:

Though he does not have direct lifting feats, his striking feats, and block against striking was insane, even back in his shikai form:

  • Defensive strength:

Stopping sogyoku:

While rescuing rukia, he takes on sogyoku:

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The force of a million average blades.. blocked with one hand without even looking. Talk about overpowered lol

For something more tangible,

he was the only character in hst who could blow by blow against giants before receiving the massive power ups:

As shown by fight against jidambou, right after gaining shikai, even before training and properly mastering it (getsuga):

Jidambou is the giant gate guard of soul society
Jidambou is the giant gate guard of soul society
he's not just giant, he's strong. Able to split the ground into a wall with a single slice, when not using full power
he's not just giant, he's strong. Able to split the ground into a wall with a single slice, when not using full power
force of the blow is felt behind the wall
force of the blow is felt behind the wall
ichigo causally blocks it.
ichigo causally blocks it.
here, he goes all out.
here, he goes all out.

and using two axes goes for a series of blows:

about a doezen blows of that strength
about a doezen blows of that strength
the last blow destroys the wall with a shockwave
the last blow destroys the wall with a shockwave
Ichigo is not even moved.
Ichigo is not even moved.

All those blows fail to even make him flinch.

  • Offensive Strength:

It's not just he can block, his offense is equally dangerous, too.

Continuing the fight with jidambou,

with one strike, he manages to block jidambou's attack, destroy both of his axes, and blast him off his feet:

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That's pretty strong, isn't it?

It gets better:

Fight against menos grande:

A menos is a huge hollow formed when hundreds of hollows, or evil spirits overlap. It was easily towering over multistory buildings of karakura town:

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Ichigo, releasing his spiritual pressure for the first time, slashes it in half and wounds it:

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Notable thing is, this was before even achieving his shikai, when he was using rukia's borrowed zampaktou (soul cutter sword) instead.

So why don't his sword strikes cause that kind of damage every time?

The reason was well put by isshin:

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Yes, size of sword doesn't matter. What matters is.. nevermind.

This is the reason why their blows are so insanely strong:

Destruction of sogyoku stand:

He practically one-shotted it:

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check size of stand, and size of cliff.
check size of stand, and size of cliff.
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Even taking it as a standard building, the strike was huge, reaching even below the huge cliff.

Final strike against zaraki

(He had literally one strike left in him, zangetsu was stopping him from bleeding out in the place)

non-eyepatch kempachi, cutting buildings down by unsheathing the sword.
non-eyepatch kempachi, cutting buildings down by unsheathing the sword.
as they collide, they clear out an entire block with the shockwave
as they collide, they clear out an entire block with the shockwave
and this wasn't block, or deflected force, it was a clear landed strike.
and this wasn't block, or deflected force, it was a clear landed strike.
they clear out the block, and topple buildings all around them from the force.
they clear out the block, and topple buildings all around them from the force.

This is again shikai ichigo.

Bankai:

It is extended version of shikai, a secondary release of soul cutter, depending on the individual shinigami. How strong is bankai ichigo compared to shikai? This puts it well enough:

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  • Speed:

Of course, speed. Ichigo's area of specialization. He's a master of shumpo, or warp step. It's nothing but high speed movement, like naruto's shunshin. Those who have mastered it can see the other users running step by step.

His speed, in shikai is insane enough to outclass most combatants around:

Intercepting the vice captains:

Starts at the top of stand.

A strength feat, too, though not on hst levels.
A strength feat, too, though not on hst levels.
check how far the stand, and other people are. Ichigo is on top of the pole.
check how far the stand, and other people are. Ichigo is on top of the pole.
Still on top of pole.. And...
Still on top of pole.. And...
Zap! Right in the path of the vice captains.
Zap! Right in the path of the vice captains.

Crossing over hundred meters to intercept the attack in a flash..

As if that wasn't enough, they decided that giving him a bankai based on speed will be a good idea:

Bitzing byakuya:

Byakuya's own speed feats are great enough, but this is..

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No time to react. And that's byakuya we're talking about.

Completely outpacing senbonzakura:

and leaving dozens of afterimages..

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Vizard and full hollow form are even faster.

  • Durability:

Not that his offense are defense are bad, his physical durability is pretty high. And energy durability goes through the roof..

He has been thrown through city blocks, and blasted down hard enough to leave crators:

by grimmjow:

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Again by grimmjow, but in released form:

Final fight:

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And he continues to fight like nothing happened.

And again by ulquiorra:

Kicked around through buildings..

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and he's ready for more.

Note that the damage taken isn't from the kicks, it's from getting hit by earlier attack, called gran ray cero.

Not to mention he has a habit of blocking huge attacks with his body when inoue is around:

Against Grimmjow:

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Don't mistake the size of building grimmjow blew up, it looks small because of the huge distance between them and the building. Up close, they're quite huge:

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That's still just shows just the top, kubo's not good at drawing backgrounds..

  • Endurance and willpower:

This is another thing he doesn't lag in.

He has been fighting continuously through soul society, first with ikkaku, then diced by zaraki, then by byakuya, and still attacked aizen (wasn't a good idea, but still) with only primary medication available from hanatarou, who wasn't even sure if he will survive, and some from the healing pool.

And he's not going to give up easily either. His primary advantage, speed, was trumped, the only attack he knows, getsuga, was stopped bare handed without a scratch, he was one-shotted back to bankai from his trump card, vizard form.. in short, The difference between cifer and him was so huge that he was literally shaking with fear, but didn't let go of his sword till his heart was blown to bits (Again, literally).

  • Healing factor:

Although he doesn't have a flat out 'healing factor' per say, but he has something similar to that:

His sword spirit can stop his blood from his wounds, so that he can continue to fight:

done against kenpachi:

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But this is quite limited.

Powering up to higher form, bankai, heals his injuries to some extent as well:

He goes from this:

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To this:

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See? Even his clothes get regen! How cool is that?

And so does going hollow form:

After getting a byakurai through chest, he was so fat gone, he was paralyzed standing.

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He not only gets a spectacular fight in hollow form, He's able to continue to fight after the mask was removed, as the last scan says.

The best wound healed, by going vasto lorde was pretty great, though:

against ulquiorra:

A hole through freaking heart:

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That counts as solid regen..

  • Attack:

Getsuga tenshou:

The signature attack:

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A getsuga tenshou isn't just an ordinary slash, like the one on menos, or sogyoku stand, or even the one against zaraki. It's his own spiritual energy, condensed, and projected, hence the reduction in size of slash. The size is still pretty great though, considering size of the cliff as shown earlier. A getsuga in bankai form, as already said, five to ten times stronger.

Another attack is.. uhh, he only learned one attack. We see it evolve through the series, bankai getsuga, black/hollow getsuga, and so on.

His fighting policy does mostly consist of this, though:

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But he can manipulate it and envelope his sword with it to take the slashing force of his sword to insane levels:

A pretty great idea, in fact:

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Other attack, cero, is fired in h2 form.

  • Intelligence and morals:

Even though he's not a genius, and can attack recklessly, he is still pretty good in the department, or at least not as easily manipulated as others here.

Also, even with the morals of a typical protagonist, he doesn't flinch when landing fatal blows, he has done this in almost every fight in the series, and even killed ginjo directly, after all his friends had been saved. So too much of morals is not his problem either.

Most important advantage he has over others, is, unlike luffy's gear 2, or naruto's sage mode, bankai neither puts pressure on his body, nor does it run out (unless he's about to die). Hollow form used to have a short time limit and tire him out, but by the time he reached aizen, it was pretty much eliminated.

So overall,

Even though ichigo lags in versatility, he more than makes up for it in raw skill and power. His speed, durability, and overwhelming attack powers should easily be able to win here, or at least hold his own against anyone around, and wreck havoc on the battlefield.

Wow.. that's a long one. Maybe I got over excited lol

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How..did i miss this? i know who I'm rooting for!!

GO ANIME CHARACTER!

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Ohh this is gonna be good.

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Here we gooooo....

Mr No Good himself Tsunayoshi Sawagwa

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So lets just get in his battle stats.Shall we

Combat/Speed

Now the primary reason for me to combine Tsuna's speed and combat feats are cause they are two sides of the same coin for him. See Tsuna mostly fights by using rushing based attack so let's see.

Okay in his very first with his X glove(which is sorta like the beta of his full powe which is above) he is able to blitz from behind twice and use the speed from the second blitz to increase his striking powers.

and Also Tsuna know places to hit to insta knockout opponents.

When he receive his half of his Vongola rings he's able to move even faster and is able to outrun minigun fire.

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Full ring: First row, Tsuna blitzes his opponent while and uses the momentum from his speedy attacks to send him flying, row 2 pic 1-4 Tsuna uses his blitzes again and uses it his speed to make his hit hurt and punches his opponent(note the building he punch him though was 20x stronger then normal buildings- I'll show proof in the blasting section later.) last 4 scans just shows how Tsuna can consistently uses his high speed.

Vongola Gear.

Okay for this, Tsuna faces an opponent who move so fast that he generate cyclone Tsuna rush (breaks two sound barrier) matches his speed and messes him up.

Glove and Blasting

Tsuna secondary attack pattern is to use his blasting attacks, now what is Tsuna blasting with you might ask ? Well Dying Will Flames...STOP @the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk, despite it's name and its appearance isn't actually fire it's compress soul energy. Here let Reborn and Takashi explain.

So no noone is eating Tsuna flames, anyway let's get into some of his blasting attacks, and other glove abilities.Okay at its most basic Tsuna gloves have shown to melt metal with the most simplest touch

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As it grows it shown to burn bullets on contact, as shown above when he outran the bullet. Now for his destruction feat Tsuna has a few decent attacks like his Hyper X Stream.

Tsuna spends around the enemy while releasing DWF.

Then there Burning Axle+ Kick

Basically Tsuna uses a larger DWF attack while mixing end a painfully kick.

X Canon

Tsuna rapid fires 2 DWF attack that cause medium sized explosions.

X burner, after getting a few seconds to charge Tsuna is able to blast out a powerful DWF attack.

another showing of it destructive capabilities.

Here's that proof about the building 20x strong then normal building .

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Tsuna also posses a Tsuna called Natsu that primarily gives him 2 things. Create a roar that can turn opponents into concrete and create a cloak that can nullify attacks.

His glovers are able to things like Zero Breakthrough and Zero Breakthrough Revived ZBT is Tsuna insta freeze his opponent with Nagative energy and only an ice that can melted with DWF, and ZBR is Tsuna using it to absorb energy

Durability

While Tsuna isn't exactly known for his durbilitly he's far from a glass cannon.

Here's Him taking and recovering from several powerful gunshots. note: A single shot from Xanxus shoot have shown to be able to bust small building.

Now obviously there's more but since is my thrid time trying to writing this and my computer is getting shaking again I'll take what I can get. Maybe tomorrow I'll be able to editing some stuff.

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I got yall tomorrow, collecting scans right now.

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Im 2nd to last then