Fighting/steel type monster from the pokemon universe. Has high intelligence, can sense the aura of all things, does not need visual sight to see, all stats are beyond human levels. Lucario is known for its high h2h combat skills. Stated to be the originator of martial arts in the pokemon universe who passed down martial arts to humans. Lucarios main powers revolve around the spirit/aura which is supernatural in nature. Lucario uses spirit energy in offensive, defensive, and psychic manners.
Moves / Techniques
Aura reading - Lucario is able to see the aura of all living things and shifts within the beings that are projecting aura which allows him to predict hid opponents movements
Lucario within a smoke screen able to see perfectly by reading aura
Over the span of mountain ranges lucario senses the aura of an entire army of pokmeon spanning over thousands in number. He can see and sense each one individually.
Aura Sphere - a blast of aura energy from deep within lucario's body is projected outward (similar ti a ki blast)
Knocks out Heatran with an "Aura Sphere", then takes out an abomasnow:
Sends down multiple "Aura Sphere"
Flash Cannon - Flash cannon is an attack where lucario releases light energy in a concentrated beam
Releases flash cannon to destroy a giant rock that is in front of a pokemon cruise ship.
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Bone Rush - Lucario creates a bone staff out of aura energy and uses it as a melee weapon
Blocking lighting and shadow ball
Buizel is creating sonic booms with the whip of his tail in turn making shock waves that are used as attacks. Lucario is casually blocking them
Metal Claw - From the spikes on lucarios hands he creates claws that are used for close h2h combat (similar to wolverines claws)
Force Palm - this is a move that when lucario places his palm on the opponent and a force of energy similar to electricity and light is released that creates a blast of energy that can sometimes cause a brief paralysis in the opponent
Copy Cat - Copy cat is a power replication ability. After lucario sees the opponents attack lucario is then able to duplicate that attack or power even if he has never used it before
Speed - As you can tell from previous scans already Lucario already speed above human levels but here are some more scans
While lucario is in the air he shoots multiple aura spheres. Before the spheres hit the ground lucario can move past them
Casually blitzes pikachu
Sneaks up on a mismagius(ghost-type) and attacks with "Shadow Claw":
While mega evolved can move at speeds that look like he is teleporting
Power up punch - A technique that increases attack power
Here lucario crushes two boulders simultaneously with one punch
Can make both hands have power up while fighting
Metal Sound - a screeching sound is projected from the spikes on lucarios palms. It causes intense pain to the ears
Thats my introduction. Now i dont know much about Might Guy but Ill get into how lucario can take him on after i see your introduction of Might Guy.
Might Guy is a ninja from the Naruto anime with very high level of fighting skill. Guys only jutsu ability available to him is his taijutsu. Taijutsu is justu which focus mainly on the martial art skill of the user and Guy is a professional martial artist showing great skill with speed and strength in his fighting moves. Guy is also has access to the special technique of opening the eight gates, each gate has a high level of benefit but must be used sparingly because of the side affects that hinder the user. But the eight gates greatly enhance the physical attributes of the user.
Techniques and Capabilities:
Limited wind control- Guy has shown capabilities of controlling the air pressure around him, this allows him to defend himself from projectiles or attack through pulses. He does this by using his speed capabilities to muster up enough air pressure to use it as an attack or defense.
Guy blocks young gaaras sand attack.
Guy uses the air pressure to punch madara through the earth creating a crater.
Dynamic Entry- Guy launches himself at his opponent and delivers a powerful kick.
Guy kicks madaras rips breaking them i the process.
Summon charkra constructs- guy has been able to summon beasts using his ability to use the pressure of the air around him.
Guy summons a tiger using air pressure.
Strong fist. - a taijutsu technique which consists of strong and fast punches to damage their opponent.
Guy breaks madaras barrier.
Reaction speed- Guy is able to make split second decisions and movements.
Guy dodges a blade that was already over his shoulder and kicks kisame away.
Movement speed- Guy has one of the highest speed levels in naruto being sometimes compared to dbz instant transmission
Guy appears to teleport across the battlefield (although lee is there to guy can do all the things shown here.)
Weapons, Nunchaku- guy uses the nunchuku well because of their speed and strength.
Guys nunchuku
Fighting Skill- guy is a master at martial arts being able to fight many different opponents in many different scenarios.
This is guy as a child so his skill will have gotten a lot better.
@mr_annihilate: Not bad. Might guy is impressive but i will give my strategy to counter him.
Those_eyes Strategy
Lucario's Advantages
Lucario has better energy Projection - Guy is no slouch when it comes to h2h so he isnt lacking in that department against lucario but from what ive seen he doesnt come close in projecting energy based attacks which provide lucario with the range advantage and versatility in the way he can fight against Might Guy
Lucario has better senses - Due to lucarios aura reading his senses are better than Might guy's imo. Might guy has good senses but until he is able to sneak up on ghosts and detect thousands of beings around him his self awareness is just not up to that level
Lucario is more versatile - Plain and simple nobody can deny lucario has more versatile powers. Might guy seems quite limited to only h2h and weapons for the most part and his beast summoning. Lucario on the other hand has the ability to copy powers, cause paralysis with a touch, manipulate sound to where it nearly destroys eardrums.
How the fight would go down
Since both are in character and dont know anything about eachother Lucario mega evolving right off the bat and Might Guy using gates right off the bat would be unlikely so both would start our in normal forms. Imo Lucario has the advantage in all areas from the beginning of the match.
Guy without gates looks to be slower than base lucario. He got hit by clone kyuubi far too easily imo and his travel speed looked to be Olympic level at best
Compared to lucario who can move at blurring speeds even without mega evolution
So from the standpoint at the beginning of the match i see Might guy getting blitzed by a bone rush to the face, multiple aura spheres, metal claw, or a flash cannon which he would definitely have no time to dodge
I just cant see him surviving this from the get go
Now lets just presume might guy somehow survives let alone remain concious from lucarios attacks at the beginning of the match and decides to open some gates. Lucario can replicate it with copy cat after seeing Guy use gate. Copying Might Guys own gate technique and then using that in combination with lucarios already superior senses, versatility, and energy projection will seal a win for Lucario. Or if guy summons a beast lucario could copy the technique and summon a beast aswell or just blow the beast away with flash cannon.
Your main dilemma is from the beginning of the match you will be outclassed and that anything you can do i can do to with copy cat.
Lucario has better energy Projection - Guy is no slouch when it comes to h2h so he isnt lacking in that department against lucario but from what ive seen he doesnt come close in projecting energy based attacks which provide lucario with the range advantage and versatility in the way he can fight against Might Guy
After avoiding a few aura spheres he'll get the hint that he needs to get in close and open a few gates to close the gap.
Lucario has better senses - Due to lucarios aura reading his senses are better than Might guy's imo. Might guy has good senses but until he is able to sneak up on ghosts and detect thousands of beings around him his self awareness is just not up to that level.
True but since the fight is going to be mainly up in your face the senses advantage doesn't help lucario all that much unless they get out of sight of each other which is unlikely to happen.
Lucario is more versatile - Plain and simple nobody can deny lucario has more versatile powers. Might guy seems quite limited to only h2h and weapons for the most part. Lucario on the other hand has the ability to copy powers, cause paralysis with a touch, manipulate sound to where it nearly destroys eardrums.
That is a fair enough but guy has stopped kisames sharkswhich are as deadly as real sharks
How the fight would go downSince both are in character and dont know anything about eachother Lucario mega evolving right off the bat and Might Guy using gates right off the bat would be unlikely so both would start our in normal forms. Imo Lucario has the advantage in all areas from the beginning of the match.
Guy without gates looks to be slower than base lucario. He got hit by clone kyuubi far too easily imo and his travel speed looked to be Olympic level at best
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He rushes across the room to stop a point blank attack he also appears as a blur.
Compared to lucario who can move at blurring speeds even without mega evolution
So from the standpoint at the beginning of the match i see Might guy getting blitzed by a bone rush to the face, multiple aura spheres, metal claw, or a flash cannon which he would definitely have no time to dodge
I just cant see him surviving this from the get go
True but remember he survived this
Now lets just presume might guy somehow survives let alone remain concious from lucarios attacks at the beginning of the match and decides to open some gates. "Lucario can replicate it with copy cat after seeing Guy use gate." Copying Might Guys own gate technique and then using that in combination with lucarios already superior senses, versatility, and energy projection will seal a win for Lucario.
Lucario has no chakra therefor cannot just use jutsu moves unless his aura counts as his chakra then it's ok but guys moves aren't easily copied since they are just mainly martial art styles and he moves fast so copy cat better be quick or he might get a dynamic entery to the face as for opening the eight gates, it isn't a conventional attack or move it requires you to have gone through long and intense training.
@mr_annihilate said: After avoiding a few aura spheres he'll get the hint that he needs to get in close and open a few gates to close the gap.
He isnt going to just be able to avoid the aura spheres at the beginning. Aura spheres can explode upon contact of surfaces. Lucario throwing a barrage of these or using flash cannon is going to be unavoidable.
@mr_annihilate said: True but since the fight is going to be mainly up in your face the senses advantage doesn't help lucario all that much unless they get out of sight of each other which is unlikely to happen.
Thats questionable given the fight setting and the fact that Lucarios aura attacks cause explosions. The area would be surrounded in dust clouds and debree.
Its the cell games arena. Notice how easily the arena and area causes debree and dust. Multiple aura spheres or just one flash cannon would wipe the arena out completely causing massive amounts of debree. Maybe they wont be out of sight for too long but given the setting and lucarios energy projection its pretty much guaranteed visual sight will be impaired a few times throughout this match and Lucario has the advantage when it comes to that.
@mr_annihilate said: That is a fair enough but guy has stopped kisames sharkswhich are as deadly as real sharks
Idk how powerful 6th gate View Gate release is but lucario is far more durable than sharks.
Pikachu has produced enough electricity to incinerate/melt steel, over load power plants, and destroy pyramids. Pikachus electric shocks would have atleast done the equivalent to those sharks that might guy did. That's nothing Lucario wanst able to handle when he fought Pikachu.
@mr_annihilate said: Lucario has no chakra therefor cannot just use jutsu moves unless his aura counts as his chakra then it's ok but guys moves aren't easily copied since they are just mainly martial art styles and he moves fast so copy cat better be quick or he might get a dynamic entery to the face as for opening the eight gates, it isn't a conventional attack or move it requires you to have gone through long and intense training.
Considering Lucario copied fire type attacks when he himself is steel/fighting. Fire is even Lucario's type weakness and he copied and used it perfectly for the first time without even having the physiology of a fire type pokemon. Lucario imo would be able to copy Might Guy's Gate. Pikachu didnt learn iron tail until he got into Hoenn Region and that was quite a few seasons into the anime. Pokemon attacks take time and training to learn aswell but lucario was able to use the exact same move he saw perfectly without any trouble even. I dont wanna say aura is exactly the same as chakra but they similar enough to where it can be presumed Lucario wouldn't have a hard time using chakra after he copy's might guy since is able to use aura so well.
To drive that point even further on how i believe Lucario could use gates lets take a look at your description of Gates.
@mr_annihilate said: Might Guy is a ninja from the Naruto anime with very high level of fighting skill. Guys only jutsu ability available to him is his taijutsu. Taijutsu is justu which focus mainly on the martial art skill of the user and Guy is a professional martial artist showing great skill with speed and strength in his fighting moves. Guy is also has access to the special technique of opening the eight gates, each gate has a high level of benefit but must be used sparingly because of the side affects that hinder the user. But the eight gates greatly enhance the physical attributes of the user
As you said Gates physcally inhance the user. Lucario has done that before with sword dance. So not only has lucario copied abilities perfectly after seeing them once but all those abilities but he has abilities that are similar to gate in the way it enhances himself. I see no problem in Lucario being able to copy guy's gate abilites.
Also i highly doubt Guy would go 8 gates within the first few minutes of battle which by then i think Lucario would have beaten him. Considering how 8th gate is taxing on the body. Even seeing him use 6th gate in short burst he was breathing hard and sweating.
But say for instance Guy does survive to the point of getting to use some gates Lucario would mega evolve where his speed is at least equivalent to Guy's 5th or 6th gate already imo.
Also i still dont see how Guy can counter metal sound. Even if Guy uses gates what does he have that keeps him from stopping in mid fight as he holds his ears that feel like they are about to burst? Which would then leave him open for flash cannon or give lucario even more time to use copy cat.
After i see your reply ill give my conclusion post.
"He isnt going to just be able to avoid the aura spheres at the beginning. Aura spheres can explode upon contact of surfaces. Lucario throwing a barrage of these or using flash cannon is going to be unavoidable."
From what i've seen aura spheres seem to be at least 2 times as fast as a kunai but since the battle settings state they are 500 feet apart lucario isn't going to get an easy hit and because of guys air pressure capibilities this shows he can react quickly to moving objects and opponents. And with the flash cannon attack it seems to take time to use and isn't a massivly long range attack.
"That's questionable given the fight setting and the fact that Lucarios aura attacks cause explosions. The area would be surrounded in dust clouds and debree."
True but Guy will be steering clear of explosions and also Lucario wont be typically aiming for the ground below Guys feet just to get a visual advantage.
"Its the cell games arena. Notice how easily the arena and area causes debree and dust. Multiple aura spheres or just one flash cannon would wipe the arena out completely causing massive amounts of debree. Maybe they wont be out of sight for too long but given the setting and lucarios energy projection its pretty much guaranteed visual sight will be impaired a few times throughout this match and Lucario has the advantage when it comes to that."
True but with Guy's ability to use the air pressure he would be able to remove the debree in the air quite quickly and easily(sorry this fact wasn't covered when you wrote this)
"Idk how powerful 6th gate View Gate release is but lucario is far more durable than sharks.
Pikachu has produced enough electricity to incinerate/melt steel, over load power plants, and destroy pyramids. Pikachus electric shocks would have atleast done the equivalent to those sharks that might guy did. That's nothing Lucario wanst able to handle when he fought Pikachu."
That is true but Guy releases pure chakra which is like, in this case kinetic energy so it would be at least the same as the lighting from a mouse pokemon.
To drive that point even further on how i believe Lucario could use gates lets take a look at your description of Gates.
@mr_annihilate said: Might Guy is a ninja from the Naruto anime with very high level of fighting skill. Guys only jutsu ability available to him is his taijutsu. Taijutsu is justu which focus mainly on the martial art skill of the user and Guy is a professional martial artist showing great skill with speed and strength in his fighting moves. Guy is also has access to the special technique of opening the eight gates, each gate has a high level of benefit but must be used sparingly because of the side affects that hinder the user. But the eight gates greatly enhance the physical attributes of the user
"As you said Gates physcally inhance the user. Lucario has done that before with sword dance. So not only has lucario copied abilities perfectly after seeing them once but all those abilities but he has abilities that are similar to gate in the way it enhances himself. I see no problem in Lucario being able to copy guy's gate abilites."
Yes, but how do you know pokemon have locked potential i mean in the games they have a limited level, and some seem to be very powerful in the anime since all the gates really do is lock the potential of the ninja so they don't expire so quickly.
"Also i highly doubt Guy would go 8 gates within the first few minutes of battle which by then i think Lucario would have beaten him. Considering how 8th gate is taxing on the body. Even seeing him use 6th gate in short burst he was breathing hard and sweating."
True but he doesn't need to go all 8 to match lucario when he isn't mega evolved and once he's shown his skill he'll see lucario mega evolve since it is a visual spectacular and he'll think that lucario has unlocked is true power so guy would have no choice but going 8 gates and ending the battle as quick as possible.
"Also i still dont see how Guy can counter metal sound. Even if Guy uses gates what does he have that keeps him from stopping in mid fight as he holds his ears that feel like they are about to burst? Which would then leave him open for flash cannon or give lucario even more time to use copy cat"
But how would lucario find time to smash his arms together mid-fight since this will be mainly h2h if it goes guy's way guys will try to stop any attempt of lucarios to use his metal parts of his fists probably having seen the claws of wolverine demonstrated by you but yes Guy has no way to combat sound waves. Other than the fact that he has survived massive explosions right near him and explosions should break his eardrums.
.But they didn't.
Counter to your DBZ reference
Hope i'm doing well i look forward to your conclusion.
@mr_annihilate said: From what i've seen aura spheres seem to be at least 2 times as fast as a kunai but since the battle settings state they are 500 feet apart lucario isn't going to get an easy hit and because of guys air pressure capibilities this shows he can react quickly to moving objects and opponents. And with the flash cannon attack it seems to take time to use and isn't a massivly long range attack.
His air pressure capabilities arent going to help him. As ive shown before lucario was fighting buizel who was making sonic booms with his tail and lucario was casually blocking them. Might Guy's air pressure speed isnt something Lucario hasnt faced before.
Flash Cannon didnt take long to use. As you can see Lucario was able to perform it in the time it took Riley to say the word flash Canon. Look how they are right next to the cruise ship when he realeases the flash canon. The time it takes the beam to blow up the rock they have only moved barely half way past the cruise ship in their speed boat. Its still fast enough and considering the damage out put the range of the attack will destroy the area they are fight on.
@mr_annihilate said: Yes, but how do you know pokemon have locked potential i mean in the games they have a limited level, and some seem to be very powerful in the anime since all the gates really do is lock the potential of the ninja so they don't expire so quickly.
Im just going to leave this one up to the voters to decided. They will make the presumption if lucario can copy might guy's ability or not. I feel ive spent enough time on this but here is documented description of what is done of copy cat.
@mr_annihilate said: True but he doesn't need to go all 8 to match lucario when he isn't mega evolved and once he's shown his skill he'll see lucario mega evolve since it is a visual spectacular and he'll think that lucario has unlocked is true power so guy would have no choice but going 8 gates and ending the battle as quick as possible.
I dont think once might guy sees lucario mega evolve he will automatically think he needs to go 8 gates. Using 8 gates is a last resort due to how damaging the effects can be so Might Guy deciding to go that far off of only seeing Lucario transform is unlikely. He is not that reckless. He would wait to see if he can take Lucario after Lucario has mega evolved and then if he sees he cant and if he is still alive somehow then he would use 8 gates. As visually stunning mega evolution looks it doesnt give a direct indicator that power has been boosted . Especially considering this is encounter where neither knows anything about eachother.
@mr_annihilate said: But how would lucario find time to smash his arms together mid-fight since this will be mainly h2h if it goes guy's way guys will try to stop any attempt of lucarios to use his metal parts of his fists probably having seen the claws of wolverine demonstrated by you but yes Guy has no way to combat sound waves. Other than the fact that he has survived massive explosions right near him and explosions should break his eardrums.
Its not like it takes a huge amount of effort or time for lucario to put his spikes together to release metal sound.
I can see how surviving massive explosions right near him might break ear drums but sounds from explosions and the sound waves from metal sound cant compared. There are pokmeon and humans who stand next to or are hit with explosions that should bust their ear drums but doesnt. But every time when metal sound or pretty much any sound based attack in the pokemon universe has shown to damage the ears. So i dont see might guy handling it at all.
Documented description of metal sound
2 Ways Lucario Wins
Since i believe and feel ive shown lucario in base form is superior to base Might Guy that Lucario will have the advantage from the beginning of the fight. Lucario either kills/ko's Might guy with a barrage of aura spheres or multiple flash cannon's (they dont need to be recharged).
If somehow Might Guy survives getting passed that and uses gates he then would risk having to face Lucario using the same power he is using since Lucario would use copy cat. He still has no counter to metal sound which will be one of Might guy's downfall in trying to get the upper hand.
Well thats my conclusion. It was a good debate and you did damn well for your first time.
Voting will start after mr_annihilate decides to make a conclusion post or not.
His air pressure capabilities arent going to help him. As ive shown before lucario was fighting buizel who was making sonic booms with his tail and lucario was casually blocking them. Might Guy's air pressure speed isnt something Lucario hasnt faced before.
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I don't see why they wont help him. He just kicked a fire ball without much trouble.
Flash Cannon didnt take long to use. As you can see Lucario was able to perform it in the time it took Riley to say the word flash Canon. Look how they are right next to the cruise ship when he realeases the flash canon. The time it takes the beam to blow up the rock they have only moved barely half way past the cruise ship in their speed boat. Its still fast enough and considering the damage out put the range of the attack will destroy the area they are fight on.
True I didn't see that before but it doesn't prove he has more destructive ability than Hirudora
I dont think once might guy sees lucario mega evolve he will automatically think he needs to go 8 gates. Using 8 gates is a last resort due to how damaging the effects can be so Might Guy deciding to go that far off of only seeing Lucario transform is unlikely. He is not that reckless. He would wait to see if he can take Lucario after Lucario has mega evolved and then if he sees he cant and if he is still alive somehow then he would use 8 gates. As visually stunning mega evolution looks it doesnt give a direct indicator that power has been boosted . Especially considering this is encounter where neither knows anything about eachother.
But He'll go seventh gate and try to fight him it is questionable if he could keep up with the mega evolved form but he wont let his guard down that's for sure but Guy has matched many fighting styles so there's no doubt he could hold his own.
I can see how surviving massive explosions right near him might break ear drums but sounds from explosions and the sound waves from metal sound cant compared. There are pokmeon and humans who stand next to or are hit with explosions that should bust their ear drums but doesnt. But every time when metal sound or pretty much any sound based attack in the pokemon universe has shown to damage the ears. So i dont see might guy handling it at all.
All a can say to this since both universes don't care how loud explosions are is why doesn't metal sound affect lucario since he has super hearing and creates the sound himself.
2 Ways Guy Wins
1. He gets thrown around by lucarios versatility at the beginning but when the going gets tough he rips lucario apart with hirudora.
2. He beats Lucario to a pulp once in his 7th or 8th gate state with his enhanced speed and strength.
Well thats it for me, thank you for Those_Eyes support much appreciated.
@those_eyes: I'm sorry...but... this match was decided as soon as he posted those Madara scans. Madara solo'd the Tailed Beasts as well as anyone important from the War. Gai with his 8th was giving him a serious run for his money. While You did debate better, none of the scans you provided could top combating Madara meaning Lucario would never have a chance once that gate was released. Vote is to Mr_Annihilate.
@mr_annihilate: Gonna go with mr. Annihilate. Once he posted thoss Madara scans, It was a done deal. Those Madara feats alone proved he knew how to debate with guy and how guy would win with all the gates. Good attempt with Lucario, but guy just had better feats.
However, I was not swayed by the 8th Gate argument because I much like @those_eyes pointed out found it very unlikely Guy would go into 8th gates unless Lucario posed a significant enough a threat. However, this does still leave Guy with 7 and below which based on what was shown gave me enough a reason to vote for him.
@those_eyes: Yes, you did debate better. But the presence of that scan practically makes anything you post to show how Lucario is superior is just made irrelevant.. i:
Ima go with those_eyes... I like how he brought up copy cat and that guy has no resistance to sonics... And I was almost posetive guy would win but now I think otherwise (I know it's not about who wins but I'm saying that those_eyes convinced me of his chracter). For those reasons I give those_eyes my vote
Listen, Might Guy absolutely stomps Lucario without trying BUT a CaV's outcome is based off the better debater. Those_eyes was fighting an uphill battle, but he did hold his own. My vote goes to him. Mr_annihilate, you did an awesome job as well.
I'm going to go ahead and vote for those_eyes. I feel like he gave a more compelling argument, and I liked the description he gave, such as when he said that Might Guy would not be able to counter Metal Sound, and that this would leave him open to further attack. mr_annihilate gave a great argument as well, but ultimately I'm siding with those_eyes.
@those_eyes: @mr_annihilate: Let me start off with letting you guys know you did an excellent job . Very neat , clean & put together CAV . Also a little off topic , but is Lucario a legendary type or a regular type ?
But down to business , I can't lie & have to say Lucario is very well rounded & you've shown his versatility over Guy . However he showed how good Guy is with dealing with versatility & showed how guy can get around Lucario's blast . With what was provided I would have to say a close battle will not end too good for Lucario . I'm gonna have to give this one to Guy & @mr_annihilate . Excellent CAV to both of you tho .
I vote for those_eyes and lucario. I think that might guy could defeat him soundly, but TE made me believe that lucario could win, not always, but definitely sometimes. Basically everything oreo assassin said.
My vote is to @those_eyes though Gai can win (quite easily probably, 2nd gate has been clocked at mach 30+) his argument has persuaded me that Lucario has more of a chance than I thought.
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