Kidman- Loki & Beta Ray Bill
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Oceanmaster (Martian Manhunter) and Darkbeam (Thor)
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Morals On
Win by KO, Death, Incap,
Standard Gear. Loki has the Norn Stones
Battle takes place In New York
umm did i miss anything?
Cav Kidman vs Oceanmaster & Darkbeam
Loki
meaning BRB is going to be Superior to Thor in everyway. (if he wasnt already!)
Beta Ray Bill AKA Thor-Horse
now imagine all that totally amped by x1000. i believe we will have one fried martian and a very soon to be beaten thor. oh how could i forget MM's TP well i didnt Loki's TP is far greater than MM's
@kidman560: nice post now you think loki has better tp than martian manhunter. Now let me show you some of martian manhunter tp feats.
Martian getting inside of despero mind who is a stronger telopath than loki
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hes such a powerful telo he makes joker go sane for awhile. who do you know can make joker sane at all.
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martian tp is so powerful he enters Spectre's mind and forces him onto a astral plane while bringing the rest of the JLA along for the ride.
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loki is powerful but when has he ever got into someone mind who is on specter level or making someone like joker sane. not only that martian can shut beta ray bill mind down or have him attack loki then it will be loki vs 3 of people insted of 1
@oceanmaster21: none of those are equal to that of mind rapping odin (a feat Galactus couldnt do!) however i wouldnt go relying on that scan of MM Tping the Spectre as that was hardly one of his more powerful versions and that was a time where MM threw his morals out the window for no apparent reason. this is morals on! Loki has no morals however he'll go straight for the kill. also by using Pre-52 feats you must also use pre 52 weaknesses
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Fire nasty stuff no?
loki is powerful but when has he ever got into someone mind who is on specter level or making someone like joker sane. not only that martian can shut beta ray bill mind down or have him attack loki then it will be loki vs 3 of people insted of 1
Manhunter will have to deal with the flames of Loki first and BRB is not as easily TPed as you think nor will Manhunter be able to react fast enough before Stormbreaker wallops him upside the head (if he hasn't burned to death yet)
his skill with stormbreaker also a good durability feat. and you Loki is boosting his powers making it even harder for MM to TP BRB. BRB's brain is protected by Loki just like Thor's brain is protected by MM sort of
joker go sane
challenge accepted and then bested
makes the smartest man in the world go nuts!
Heres how the battle is going to play out
Loki will use the norn stones to make my team completely invisible. (our minds are protected of course) now Loki,at first, won't know MM is susceptible to extreme temperatures however these attacks arent uncommon for him he'll figure it out pretty freaking quick
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he uses blasts powerful to Surtur, and the hammer trio. he also manipulates Ice (another weapon to use against MM) anyways he'll sucker punch MM while BRB can go handle and pummel thor (BRB was always thor's superior for some weird and unknown reason but his power is being amped by loki should make it a decisive victory!
@darkbeam: Thor's speed is not greater than Beta Ray Bills. for the same reason that Thor cannont beat Super Man, because he is too slow. Beta Ray Bill has pulled of Nano-second reaction feats before where as thor has not!
like Combating the silver surfer at full speed. Beta Ray Bill will be able to dodge all of Thors attacks while the same cannot be said about Thor dodging Beta Ray Bill's attacks as for thors strength being Greater than BRB's well
and he didnt even have stormbreaker yet!
and just in case you are getting any ideas about Thor attacking Loki well i can say that wont work either
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Loki can matter manipulate, in this case, Borr's father into snow but SOMEHOW forgets to use this against Thor in the comics, and he somehow forgets to just use this omni-directional blasts thats worked before on all three of the hammer bros
@kidman560: now granted loki has all these norn stones and even tho its morals on it still win by death so that means martian manhunter is not out for blood but he knows killing his opponet is the way to victory he will do it especially someone like loki. now martian is faster stronger and just as smart as loki if not smarter and once martian manhunter gets his hands on him and if loki tries to go intangible to get out of mm grasp this will happen
Martian heat vision was able to damage the Ray who was in his intangible energy form by scattering his atoms where it is so why cant martian heatvision damage loki..
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wait i just sawe were you said stand equitment the norse stones arent regular equitment lol but its ok i like this challenge it keeping me on my toes i love suprises bro:) and i see u like marvel ultimate alliance i never played 2 i played 1 it was ausome someone told me not to play 2 if that false i buy it play it or rent it.
@darkbeam: @oceanmaster21: hold on did you just Say MM is smarter that Loki. no bro no. stronger? yes smarter? no
Martian heat vision was able to damage the Ray who was in his intangible energy form by scattering his atoms where it is so why cant martian heatvision damage loki..
Martian Manhunter wont know of My teams existence until we attack!
arent regular equitment lol but its ok i like this challenge it keeping me on my toes i love suprises bro:) and i see u like marvel ultimate alliance i never played 2 i played 1 it was ausome someone told me not to play 2 if that false i buy it play it or rent it.
actually the norn stones are standard equipment for loki up until the Seige thing and then he just kind of lost them! but before that Loki used rune magic he and Odin both learned how to use them at the same time!
if you read this it says so.
but thats ok Beta Ray Bill has got Lokis back (as if Loki needed it!) as ive shown the hammer can be controlled in flight by Beta Ray Bill (during the whole stardust thing) and he can simply throw it at MM.
Loki will not be stupid enough to go at MM with no tricks up his sleeve. hes already amped up BRB and is invisible once he blasts MM with some fire he can create copies of himself
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now loki has created copies that fool even the mighty surtur. so a simple laser eye beam wont do the trick
@darkbeam: thor has been shown to go the speed of light yes but that is travel speed not combat speed. and yes i am in possession of the curse mijonir scan (both of them) the fastest thor has moved in combat speed is Micro-Seconds
Mircro-seconds is 1/1,000,000 of a second
Nano-seconds are 1/1,000,000,000 of a second
a vast difference there, as for the nano-second reaction feat, i hardly see how swatting blaststars beams away is a nano-second reaction feat, nor does it say that his beams were moving in nanoseconds
here for example we know that Stardust moves and attacks at lightspeed because she has shown it before (as has the surfer) and not only deflects this blast he sends it back at the very amped up stardust. just as i have said before Thor has no chance at beating Beta Ray Bill (especially after his receiving the magnificent Stormbreaker.)
make no mistake Thor might be able to get his hops in on BRB but the horse god will get more hits in! and Loki has to many tricks up his sleeve for MM to come help Thor out,hes to busy!
(you two seem all over the place, set up a PM and work together, ya'll almost seem to be hindering each other.)
@darkbeam: the argument about that has been given over and over again and there was no determination that dodging mijonir was a nano-second reaction feat.
@oceanmaster21 dont leave him hanging
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Loki constantly abuses the thor bros. and he often times destroy's minds through use of chaos magic. see what he did to Beta Ray Bill, and Mr. Fantastic. I fail to see what keeps him from doing that to Martian Manhunter
@darkbeam: hey bro Beta Ray Bill put a chip in Big Gs armor
@kidman560: sorry been at work bro. Now i get loki has all this but there is no prep involved in this fight so loki not gonna know martian manhunter weakness. that being said i know loki is pretty fast but martian is faster.stronger and power wise could go either way loki is powerful but hes not superman level and martian powers were stated to be above superman
which was stated by starbreaker himself whos pretty freakin powerful.
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Now you know as well as i do superman honestly fears nothing and he stated that if he ever was killed the one person he would be scared of dying at the hands of was martian manhunter what dose that tell you i dont remember anyone saying the same about loki. loki not gonna cause martian fire attacks because there no prep whatsoever thefore loki will not know.
now you said morals on when by death so all that means is martian is not wanting to kill loki hes not out for blood. However martian understands that he has to win by death so loki not gonna have it as easy as you think martian not gonna let himself or his partner be killed. But martian dosent have to kill loki he can ko him which martian can do he has the strenght to you see he fights captain marvel.
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just a reminder not only was he physically fighting captain marvel he was also having a physic battle with another powerful telopath trying to free dr fate and cap marvel from his grasp, that pretty impressive was fighting two battles at same time both physical and physic, so martian can help thor take out beta ray bill btween thor physical attacks and martian aiding him they takeout the horseman with ease. while all this going on martian can have a physic battle with loki which will pretty interesting but is loki gonna be able to handle martian physic attacks and thor blows eventually loki will be taken down.
even tho beta ray bill has the similar powers to thor. those powers are thor. beta weather manipulation is nothing compared to thor.thor was able to takeout void sentry loki who had the stones was killed by the sentry. So if thor could take someone who beat loki with the stones who was more powerful than loki than shouldnt thor be able to beat loki. and thor wasnt bloodlusted when he fought sentry either how much durabilty dose loki really have huh? and we all know beta beat galactus but galactus was not 100 percent he was like 50 percent full so beta beating him not that impressive considering galactus wasnt fed.
@darkbeam: @oceanmaster21: thought i posted on this oh well
Now i get loki has all this but there is no prep involved in this fight so loki not gonna know martian manhunter weakness. that being said i know loki is pretty fast but martian is faster.stronger and power wise could go either way loki is powerful but hes not superman level and martian powers were stated to be above superman
which was stated by starbreaker himself whos pretty freakin powerful.
Loki was fast enough to match hands with the surfer and dodge a thrown Mijonir. not to mention the fact that Loki is invisible until his first attack.
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thor was able to takeout void sentry loki who had the stones was killed by the sentry. So if thor could take someone who beat loki with the stones who was more powerful than loki than shouldnt thor be able to beat loki. and thor wasnt bloodlusted when he fought sentry either how much durabilty dose loki really have huh? and we all know beta beat galactus but galactus was not 100 percent he was like 50 percent full so beta beating him not that impressive considering galactus wasnt fed.
Sentry wanted himself to die there. in fact he even says to thor "kill me". Bendis, the writer, said anyone could have killed Sentry at that point. also Galactus is never 100% full in any of his battles. in fact quite the opposite in most his battles he is actually quite hungry.
Loki has enough Durability to have his head cut off and then re-attach it
so quite durable actually.
Thor can always go warriors madness and I think you know what happen last time Thor when't warrios madness on BRB.
Thor has not gone warrior madness in a while (in fact if i am not mistaken i believe odin kind of purged that out of him!) Beta Ray Bill has planet destroying feats like thor and has a pretty good amount of storm calling to (not to thors degree but close) here he blots out the sun of a planet
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Loki has the tricks up his sleeve and Beta Ray Bill has the far greater speed (at least compared to thor!)
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