Brace yourselves, because you´re about to see two badass facing each other here!
Versus
Spartan (Body) Amadeus Cho (Mind) Meggan (Powers) Kang (Item)
Well, for starters, that forcefield means absolutely nothing.
I would like to direct you to this scan in 52 --
That perimeter force shield? The one designed to withstand a direct asteroid strike?
Someone doesn't give much of a crap about that, as the VERY NEXT PAGE gives us this--
<------ And in case you were thinking maybe that force shield wasn't all it was cracked up to be? The JSA, including Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, and Power Girl, are powerless to get through.
So, let's start the bidding off by taking Kang's forcefield completely out of the equation -- and while you're at it, evaluate Spartan's durability. :3 Because that's just one of the terrors that make up the Slaughter League. And considering that Adam can go around the Earth about seven times in a single second, I'm excited to see how you think you won't get blitzed.
@joygirl: really impressive, but not so easy..
So let´s start by Kang´s armor then..
Kang's battle armor is produced from a rare synthetic alloy from the 40th century. It is neuro-kinetic, meaning it responds to his subconscious thoughts. Though Kang has no powers, his armor endows him with rough equivalents of super-human abilities.
(No shields)
Takes a hit at point blanke range by Thor:
Possess the ability of self-repair:
(Shields ON)
Survives entering the atmosphere when his base is destroyed:
Standing up to Silver Surfer´s cosmic blasts:
Able to sustain Thor´s pounding:
Not enough? How about from Warrior Madness Thor?
So you get an idea of the durability, it´s not just the force-field that is able to sustain nuke strikes, but also the armor itself, which was able to take hits from Thor´s Hammer at point blank range without suffering any damage.
Not to mention that inside the armor you have Spartan´s body.
Spartans are fully sentiant robots of high alien technology. They not only possess superhuman durability but also self-repair ability. Although not totally invulnerable in the true sense of the word, he is still fairly tough and difficult to injure, since recent upgrades to his chassis has made him tough enough to withstand stronger impacts. Ranging from surviving mortar fire from an alien tank, to standing ground against a speeding vehicle without budging. and parrying superhuman blows from the likes of Fairchild with ease.
About being blitzed, Kang´s armor possess enough counter-measures to deal with this kind of attack, and considering that Kang was able to fight, tag and hurt Silver Sufer before, I guess that Empatech can do the same or better against Black Adam here:
Also, Empatech is a teleporter :)
Either by using Spartan´s body or Kang´s armor, you choose, I rather prefer the first option:
Also, the next scans shows Spartan punching Mr. Majestic, who is considered to be superior to the likes of Superman..
All this without taking into consideration the Amadeus Cho mind using Meggan powers.
Not bad, I see you've done your homework (you've also debated with him before which does give you an advantage).
Tanking the Surfer blast is nice, as is tanking hits from Thor. Miss Marvel, however, is irrelevant -- as is hitting the atmosphere. Any of the SL bust into atmospheres whenever they want.
He punched Mr. Majestic? Not bad -- how will he like being punched to the moon?
Keep in mind that Etrigan is the WEAKEST of this team, and he knocked Superman out of orbit. If breaking through the atmosphere is actually a challenge for this guy, then the hits the Slaughter League will be giving him an excess amount of will be shredding his armor -- taking a few hits from a single opponent is a lot different from having each of these guys grab onto a limb and PULL.
For fun, here's Black Adam crushing Hawkman's Nth Metal mace with one hand.
Y'know, the nearly indestructible substance that is specifically powerful and disruptive to magical beings... well, Adam tanked a few hits from it and then burst it like a balloon. Empatech isn't going to be tanking these hits -- he may take a few, but getting flogged from every angle all at once by people of this power level will have him dented and crushed within minutes, if not seconds, if he tries to close into melee combat (good luck avoiding it, considering Adam's speed). And I haven't even touched on Etsy's maleficarum or Atros's blood magic/ring powers yet. THEN there's Lobo, who is also arguably more physically powerful than Superman.
@joygirl: So now you´re a good girl huh? :P
Okay let´s move on!
Yeah I kind of did my homework but considering all your previous Slaughter Team battle thread I guess you kind of did it too :X
Those durability feats were posted to prove that Empatech can take great amounts of damage.. Also, I don´t think he will be there standing in the ground waiting for a direct impact, that´s not something plausible when Amadeus Cho is involved..
About the Etrigan "moon-punch" I guess that it was pretty obvious that that would happen since Superman was flying straight up to him.. Another move Empatech won´t replicate here for sure..
Remember that I told you my character can provid counter-measures? Here´s a few:
So through Kang´s armor, Empatech can easily neutralize either of your non-flying characters (mainly Etrigan) via cobalt force:
It was enough to incapacitate Thor making him weigh half of a planet:
How about the paralysis ray? It was enough to neutralize Herc, Namor, Photon and an alternate Kang in one-shot:
Oh, I forgot to mention that with Kang´s tech, Empatech can pull weapons from the timestream, just like that:
@joygirl: yeah I´m the guy who notices actually xD
Well, Thor flies too, way faster than Etrigan, but that doesn´t stopped him from being affected by the cobalt force..
Also you haven´t provided enough proof from your other team members being able to breach Empatech defenses..
About the timestream weapons, that scan was just to show that Empatech can pull weapons, not just that specific one, which he used to hit Wolverine especifically, for your guys there are others to use..
If you notice well, the paralysis ray was able to tag more than one enemy at the same time, since it´s not a straight up beam but a wide range ray so..
Magic huh? I knew we would get down to this topic sooner or later, but unluckily for you, Empatech has an answer for that matter, which comes thorugh Meggan´s power:
From Captain Britain vol. 2 #11:
So basically through her powers, Empatech possess:
@joygirl: I try :P
Actually, you proved that Black Adam can cross a force-field while moving in travel speed, which is different from combat/reaction speed. Like I said before, Empatech won´t stand still waiting for the hit.
My claim was refered to the other members besides Black Adam, since either Etrigan or Lobo doesn´t possess that speed level.
As for the multi-directional strikes, Empatech got an answer for each one of the Slaughter League members, in matter of fact, Etrigan just got incapacitated so that leads me to the other 3..
One-Shots Iron Man and Spidey at the same time:
Again vs Iron Man:
Remember: This is Iron-Lad, a less experienced version of Kang..
More finger-blasts vs Tempus
Not impressive enough?
I present you:
THE ULTRADIODE RAY:
It works by bathing the enemy with low-intensity rays that can sap the enemies will making them slaves to it´s owner. Also possess wide range angle.
One-shotting the Avengers (including Wonderman and Iron-man)
Same ray against Fantastic Four:
Still not impressive?
How about a gun capable of hurting the Silver Surfer?
@joygirl: Fair enough. Don´t get me wrong I just want to make you sweat a little bit :P
The offensive tech feats were posted increasingly to show an evolution, from Spider-Man to Silver Surfer. If Kang manage to tag several different powerhouses and godlike characters before, why can´t Empatech do the same here since his speed/reaction time is further increased?
Well, actually, Spartan does have superhuman speed, otherwise how would him be able to fight Mr. Majestic, who is superior to Black Adam. Also, BA modus operandi indicates he rather prefer the struggle instead of using speed to win his battles.
Flight: Spartan is capable of flight via the generation of an anti-gravity field about his body. His speed range is somewhere at around Mach-1 (750 mph).
I know that´s nothing compared to BA, however, Empatech possess ways to bring Teth-Adam down.
First option would be timefreezing:
This also answer your question: "what exactly WILL he be doing?"
See how he deals with all those enemies at the same time.. Also note that Wolverine was the only one neutralized via timefreeze.
@joygirl: All right!! That´s what I´m talking about, I knew your dark side would arise.. Welcome back :P
I agree with you, but that was just Kang, here you got Spartan´s body inside the Kang´s amor using Meggan powers being driven by Amadeus Cho mind. That scan was meant to prove that if Kang can deal with the Avengers, Empatech can deal with the Slaughter League.
Since you asked, more time-freeze feats:
I never said BA likes the struggle, I said his way of fighting is more like striking the enemy than blitzing them. I belive you already know this but I can show you several different ocasions where BA fought his enemies without using speedblitz..
Here´s a few:
From these scans we saw the likes of Mr. Terrific, Hourman, Dr. Mid-Nite, Wildcat, Hawkgirl, etc who are far from being powerhouses, punching/trying to punch Black Adam, who could just speedblitz them all right?
Not to mention that as already said, Spartan by his own fought Mr. Majestic, who is considered to be superior to Black Adam. So I don´t see why this is an issue for start..
Conclusion: if Spartan can match Mr. Majestic, he can more than match Black Adam.
So guess what? BA will have to struggle against EMPATECH!!
With speed not being an issue, lets move on to what really matters, because like you said: "powers means a lot. So you want power? I show you the real POWER!
Let´s find out the origin of the name Empatech, shall we?
Meggan’s abilities can roughly be divided into empathic, elemental and metamorphic, although all three powers tie together complementing each other. Pretty good huh?
Empathy:
Her empathic abilities work in both directions, she can focus to make those around her feel as she feels:
Meggan’s powers make her one with the lifeforce of her environment, giving her an innate awareness of her surroundings:
Empathic Metamorph:
Elementalist:
I never said BA likes the struggle
May be a good idea to not say he doesn't prefer to struggle if you're going to go ahead and say he doesn't, bub. :P You gotta set your story straight, even if it is wrong.
As for Majestic... what the hell proof do you have that he's superior to Adam in absolutely ANY way? You just flat-out made that up, and you expect me to butter it, salt it, and eat it down? Have the two ever fought? Have the two ever even MET? Because if they haven't (and I'm pretty sure they haven't), then being able to beat Majestic (who is clearly nowhere near as fast as Adam, if he could be taken down by a Mach-1er) means...
...JACK SQUAT.
Meggan looks cool but all of her stuff, at this point, is icing on the cake. I was actually a bit underwhelmed to be completely honest -- sounds like the most effective thing she can do against the Slaughter League is prevent them from using magic, which IS a great big pain in the ass but not in any way a game-over.
Energy blasts... *yawn*. You still have to show me anything that will actually bring the SL down, all of which are outrageously durable, to the point of nigh-unkillability. Even with him strapped to a table and unconscious, Dr. Sivana barely figured out a way (after ages of experiments) to damage the enamel on Teth's teeth. Etrigan was flat-out vaporized during Reign in Hell and all that happened was he resurrected himself and grew back to his normal size. We all know how durable Lobo is. And Atros had his heart ripped out and barely even cared. So unless these energy blasts destroy planets I'm not impressed.
As for her empathy...?
I dare her to use it.
<------------ Martian Manhunter tries to use telepathy on Adam. Just touching his mind is agonizing for the world's most powerful telepath, and he specifically remarks on how powerful Adam's mind is before Adam fries him.
Bleez, a mid-tier Red Lantern and nowhere near as powerful as Atros, is able to resist the power of a telepath had been controlling entire legions of Green Lanterns. ---------->
On top of that, Etrigan is among the foulest of demons, and Lobo is... well, he's fraggin' Lobo. I have a feeling that even trying to touch the minds, thoughts, or feelings of anyone on the Slaughter League will lead to Empatech's already pathetically-slow ass dropping what he's doing to rub his temples and groan -- and for his trouble, he's going to earn a Shazam bolt to the face.
@joygirl: Once again, I never said "BA likes the struggle", you can search that on my post but you won´t find those words on it. What I said was: his way of fighting is more like striking the enemy than blitzing them. Talking about that, can you prove that Black Adam used the "speedblitzing" method more often? Or this is your only way out to try to defeat my awesome character? :P
Okay so at this point it´s pretty clear that you know JACK SQUAT about Mr. Majestic, otherwise you would never say I´ve "made that up"about him being superior to Black Adam in almost every single aspect. Fortunately, I'm here to bring the enlightenment.
According to Comic Vine:
Mr. Majestic is the WildStorm universe's "Superman". He is an alien warrior who has lived on Earth for centuries, often fighting alongside others of his race (as well as humans) against the Daemonites.
A description of what Mr. Majestic can do, doesn't show what he has done. This section provides just a few examples of Majestic's abilities.
Flying to the sun in seconds
Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning:
"Majestic is anything but a Superman knockoff. He's a principled, skilled, sometimes ruthless warrior, a champion of his world, an explorer, an inventor, and an outsider to the human race rather than an adopted son."
"He has all of Superman's abilities....strength, speed, flight, invulnerability, heat vision etc, but...he has the intelligence of Reed Richards and the attitude and fighting ability of Batman. All in all he's one serious bad ass."
So how about Mr. Majestic vs Black Adam?
Quite a few of these threads. I still say Majestic. Pretty sure he's better in all areas and a more skill fighter. He also doesn't suffer from the weakness to magic that gives Supes a hard time when he goes up against Shazam-babies. He's also better armed (even without the creation blades).
Majestros vs Eradicator:
Majestros vs DC heroes (including Eradicator)
Majestros vs Cap. Atom
So going by feats Mr. Majestic stomps Black Adam!!,
Also, TRAVEL SPEED is different from COMBAT/REACTION SPEED.
Spartan possess enough Combat/Reaction speed to fight Mr. Majestic..
Next post I´ll bring the REAL Meggan Power!!
@joygirl: Continuing..
So considering Meggan powers, Empatech can:
Control the 4 elements:
He can also become said elements:
So that´s another answer for Black Adam´s speedblitzing..
Has special perceptions that see the world as lifeforce/energy:
Innate awareness of surroundings:
So considering that with those powers Empatech is capable of absorbing the energy of the Earth, you imagine the level of energy he can tap into his attacks..
Here is an example:
Meggan hold the fire -- basically the lifeforce – of a planet within her to bring her teammates back to life:
Also, using her metamorphic powers, Empatech can mimic the powers of the Slaughter League, since she was able to mimic the power of Juggernaut:
Meggan dealing with the power cosmic
Kang´s armor absorbing energy attacks to recover:
@joygirl: HA!
Very perceptive of you..
HOWEVER..
Amadeus Cho needs to feed his brain after "hardcore brainwork". It´s not like he needs to eat a candy bar every minute. He has a hypermind, which is basically a computer that evaluates every possible action and consequence and determines which is most advantageous to him. His brain just needs junk food after operating at the highest level.
Also, I don´t think that´s gonna be an issue since his mind is inside a Bio-Android Body, and we are talking about the 7th smartest person on the planet! With access to 2 different alien tech far greater than anything ever seen on Earth so far. I highly doubt that this would be a problem for him, after all, he can more than think about a way to avoid this "weakness"
In top of all that he can always use Meggan powers to absorb all the necessary energy he needs..
Nice try, but no..
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