#1 Edited by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

Joe:

Captain Cold(PreNew 52), Weather Wizard(PreNew 52), Gorilla Grodd(PreNew 52), and Dr. Alchemy

The Dark Lord:

Hamon Lord of Striking Thunder, Norman Osborn, Mirror Master, and Starkiller

Team one starts at 10 and Team two starts at 9.

Win by death, KO, or incapacitation

No BFR

#2 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

Norman Osborn in this case is Iron Patriot.

There is no way Hamon is going to be able to fit in the backroom of a shop, so shall we just fight on the South Termina Field?

#3 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio
#4 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1

M'kay.

So first of all, Mirror Master. As shown here:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2644311-mirrorilusion2.jpg

He can attack at light speed and with hundreds of duplicates with guns, easily defeating Captain Cold (no special durability), Gorilla Grodd (Grodd only thinks at the speed of thought, and thus Mirror Master blasts him thousands of times, easily defeating him), Weather Master (who has no special durability), Dr. Alchemy (no special durability).

As shown here:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/82989/2009567-mirror_master_5.jpg

He can also drive anyone insane via the reflections in the pupils of their eyes. This is especially easy with Captain Cold, who wears glasses (gg). His illusions are incredible.

Hamon comes up next. He is literally a GOD of thunder, and thus easily higher up in the scale of power than Weather Wizard. Moreover, there is a definite way to measure his durability and attack strength, his attack and defense points. Hamon's are each 4000, putting him at levels of incredible power. Indeed, the only reason he's even allowed here is because of his reality-warping presence, meaning that he is more or less useless except as just attacking with ridiculous amounts of lightning. This means that Weather Wizard has to counter Hamon, as otherwise the lightning bolts would destroy the rest of his team. While the Wizard is occupied, he is an easy target for the rest of the team.

Next, Starkiller. His total force capacity is enough to move 27 million tonnes, meaning he is powerful enough to shatter mountains. Using the force, he brutally crushes Cold and Dr. Alchemy, creates a force bubble around Weather Wizard to stop him from doing any damage, and begins attacking Grodd, locking him in fierce mental combat.

Finally, Osborn. After a brief shock from Hamon (think Thor vs Iron Man from the Avengers), he becomes incredibly powerful, strong enough to deal with the likes of Thor, and after quickly dispatching Cold and Alchemy with a few missiles or just tearing them in half (Mach 8>Cold Beams), he roflstomps an occupied Grodd and an occupied Weather Wizard.

#5 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#6 Posted by oceanmaster21 (8767 posts) - - Show Bio

this shud be interesting

#7 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium:there are a few flaws in your plan. Gorilla Grodd has TP none of your characters have a shield against that to my knowledge:

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2248990

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2248992

So Grodd takes out MM pretty easily. Next up is WW's fight with Hamon. Just becasue he is a "god" doesn't make him stronger at controlling of weather. He has taken neutralized other weather manipulators(http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2009546) and has taken out Magneta by reversing her polarity(http://www.comicvine.com/the-flash-221-rogue-war-2/4000-131556/).

Anything see Starkiller throws at Cold would be stopped by his Cold field(http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2009516). Dr. Alchemy then turns the air around him into Chlorine melting his lungs. He does this like he did to the air around Wonder Woman:

Keep in mind mach 8 is barely the Flash's speed. As said before mach 8 can't do anything to the Cold field, he will be stuck in place.

#8 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1: I pre-empted the Gorilla Grodd telepathy; Gorilla Grodd can only work at the speed of thought, and if Mirror Master is moving at the speed of light, he has enough time to shoot Grodd to death. So...alright, he takes out all of your team except for Captain Cold.

Except jk because I've already explained he'll make Cold go insane via the reflection in his glasses.

#9 Edited by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#11 Edited by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium: possibly, but back to the main argument. Him actually going inside was mostly off panel unless you can prove it. CC and WW also have fast reactions. also what is MM going to blast GG with? Just have his mirror clones attack him. Grodd has taken multiple hits from the flash and kept on fighting.

#12 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1 said:

@thedarklordpandamonium: possibly, but back to the main argument. He has never shown actual feat with the whole going inside one's eyes . Him actually going inside was mostly off panel unless you can prove it. CC and WW also have fast reactions. also what is MM going to blast GG with? Just have his mirror clones attack him. Grodd has taken multiple hits from the flash and kept on fighting.

MM is moving at the speed of light. And he's not hitting them, he's blasting them. With hundreds of clones. By the time GG attacked, as I've already said he only reacts at the speed of thought. By the time he reacted MM would have blasted him 6 million times.

Also as you didn't refute the Iron Patriot thing, so even if you take down Mirror Master we still extend the argument that Hamon occupies Weather Wizard and Iron Patriot tears them apart.

Moreover, Starkiller's force is not anything the cold field can counteract, it's telekinesis essentially.

#13 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1 said:

@thedarklordpandamonium: possibly, but back to the main argument. He has never shown actual feat with the whole going inside one's eyes . Him actually going inside was mostly off panel unless you can prove it. CC and WW also have fast reactions. also what is MM going to blast GG with? Just have his mirror clones attack him. Grodd has taken multiple hits from the flash and kept on fighting.

MM is moving at the speed of light. And he's not hitting them, he's blasting them. With hundreds of clones. By the time GG attacked, as I've already said he only reacts at the speed of thought. By the time he reacted MM would have blasted him 6 million times.

Also as you didn't refute the Iron Patriot thing, so even if you take down Mirror Master we still extend the argument that Hamon occupies Weather Wizard and Iron Patriot tears them apart.

Moreover, Starkiller's force is not anything the cold field can counteract, it's telekinesis essentially.

That scan is MM following him at light speeds, not attacking at light speeds. It is a cool feat, but more of a distraction than anything(the clones are holograms, thus explaining why Flash fist went through them). I also noticed that he lacked a scottish accent, which means this is Scudder not McCulloch. I might be wrong though.

Do you have a scan of Norman's suit being amped?

Cold force uses the temperatures of absolute zero which stop molecule movement which according yo my knowledge stops movement entirely.

#14 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

@joeagentofhand1:

Okay, let's break this down. I have various arguments working on various levels, because I'm not approaching this one-on-one.

Mirror Master moves and shoots at the speed of light.

That's some punk trying to take back his mirror master stuff. He moves at the speed of light, taunts him, the guy reacts, mirror master's already away. The guy is literally frozen while MM is moving at the speed of light, and while he's going that fast he shoots the guy.

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2644309

This is literally the only reason he can tag Flash. He moves as fast as light, and he shoots while he is moving that fast, thus he can actually shoot Flash.

Also, the clones are most definitely not holograms, he can control them.

^ his clones restraining a guy...?

So, yeah, argument that he's going to shoot your entire team to bits still stands. And he'll still drive Cold insane with reflections.

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2644308

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-2644312

and the original eyeglasses feat, which still stands. Like, saying he did it once doesn't mean it's not a feat; in every other case where he's needed to drive someone insane there have been mirrors around. There weren't this time, so he used the reflections in his pupils. This time he'll use cold's glasses.

So the logic w/his suit being amped is that according to the Dark Reign timeline and shiz, the suit Osborn stole for Iron Patriot was the same one used in the Avengers movie that was amped up by Thor's lightning. There's really nothing to be said except that the suit Stark uses in Avengers only resembles the suit that Stark was using while Dark Reign was going on, i.e. the suit in the Avengers is the suit Iron Patriot is.

Also Starkiller's force movement is telekinesis. So yeah, cold field is a no-go. And honestly, Starkiller could oneshot them all; the 27 to 54 million metric tonnes force is enough to crush your entire team.

Also, the arg that Hamon is a god is that in the YGO universe, he is the most powerful lightning manipulator. Why? Hamon IS lightning. It's in the type (thunder). There are tons of lightning manipulators like Weather Wizard in the YGO universe; Hamon stands above them all. He will crush Weather Wizard. He could oneshot your entire team.

See a pattern here? Your team is shot to bits before it can react, it's shocked to bits before it can react, it's crushed to bits before it can react, each of them are occupied and then taken out by any of the members, they're driven insane, attack, forced, cerulean skyfire'd...

(when are we going for votes btw?)

#15 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio
#16 Posted by joeagentofhand1 (4362 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Edited by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

#huzzah