@thedckid Is everything good? If so feel free to make the first move.
@jashro44, Here is my first argument.
When the battle starts Iron man will activate his stealth function and become completely invisible to Hulk, he will position himself directly behind Hulk and hit him with a barrage of repulsor blasts. As seen in the scan below, Tony's repulsor's can level buildings and can be shot at the speed of thought.
This probably wont end the fight though, so immediately after Iron man hits Hulk with the repulsors he will then unleash a fleat of missiles to further wound the Hulk. The effectiveness of the missiles is demonstrated below.
Finally Iron man will fly up into the sky and rocket downward toward a stunned Hulk, It shouldn't take too long before he reaches mach 9 speeds. Before impact Iron man will let loose with every weapon he has, keeping hulk down until the last moment where iron man braces for impact and hits Hulk dead-on. K.O.
In the end Tony is just too fast for the Hulk, he can attack multiple times from many different angles with ease. Not to mention a giant green mound of muscle makes an easy target.
@jashro44: I have never actually seen you debate for Hulk, best of luck mate :)
Thank you. And yes this should be different then most of my debates.
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When the battle starts Iron man will activate his stealth function and become completely invisible to Hulk, he will position himself directly behind Hulk and hit him with a barrage of repulsor blasts. As seen in the scan below, Tony's repulsor's can level buildings and can be shot at the speed of thought.
May I see a scan of the stealth function? I thought iron man had a stealth suit but I was unaware of a stealth function.
Leveling building is pretty much nothing to the hulk.
Here the hulk managed to tank a beam of energy which ultron used to melt and reform his adamantium body.
Also here is a scan from indestructible hulk #2 where he tanks iron mans repulsor blasts. Admittedly iron man has had a down grade from bleeding edge however it is still above the armor that you posted scans of.
As you can see it didn't do a lot of damage to the hulk. In addition to the hulks extremely durable tissue you also have to prove that iron man can get around hulks healing factor.
Here the hulk gets the flesh burned from his bones and he regenerates quite quickly.
Point being even if iron man can do damage (which if he can likely isn't going to be a whole lot) Hulk can recover.
This probably wont end the fight though, so immediately after Iron man hits Hulk with the repulsors he will then unleash a fleat of missiles to further wound the Hulk. The effectiveness of the missiles is demonstrated below.
Red hulk doesn't really have the same durability and healing factor as hulk. For example red hulk stated wolverine could kill him. Wolverine can't really kill the hulk because hulk heals so fast that it makes it seems like Logan is barely cutting him. Red hulk has gotten the better of hulk in a few showings but I believe that was mainly due to Rulks skill as opposed to his stats (I haven't really looked at that fight in awhile so I might have to review).
Point being red hulk and hulk have different stats. Just because one can do serious damage to red hulk does not necessarily mean they can do serious damage to hulk.
Finally Iron man will fly up into the sky and rocket downward toward a stunned Hulk, It shouldn't take too long before he reaches mach 9 speeds. Before impact Iron man will let loose with every weapon he has, keeping hulk down until the last moment where iron man braces for impact and hits Hulk dead-on. K.O.
Hulk is capable of jumping after iron man so he can compensate for his flight advantage.
In the above scans hulk manages to leap into the outer atmosphere. So no matter how high iron man flies the hulk can reach him. He could also use thunderclaps to tag iron man as well if he needs to.
Iron mans ability to KO hulk was discussed above.
In the end Tony is just too fast for the Hulk, he can attack multiple times from many different angles with ease. Not to mention a giant green mound of muscle makes an easy target.
Iron man is faster, no doubt about that however Hulk isn't slow on contrary to popular belief.
Here are some random assorted speed feats:
Dodging a RPG, spinning so fast reed flies off him, catching caps shield, moving so fast some people can't tag the hulk, using super speed to save iron man from an explosion.
This and his area of effect lead me to believe he can tag iron man. With his healing factor and durability Tony will have issues putting hulk down. I say hulk tags iron man before iron man knocks him out.
@jashro44: Your right, he has stealth armour but I don't think he has stealth mode in his new armour. But he can still project illusions as seen here:
Rather than turning invisible he just projects an illusion of himself to distract Hulk in order to position himself for an attack. Considering savage Hulk is not very bright he will undoubtedly fall for this ploy. When Iron man is in position he will let lose a storm of repulsor blasts and missiles effectively stunning the Hulk (this shouldn't be too difficult as savage Hulk doesn't start out that strong) Iron man then grabs hold of Hulk and rockets upward into the atmosphere. Tony now has 2 options.
1- drop hulk and let him hurtle toward earth at incredible velocities.
or
2- throw him into space effectively BFR'ing him.
Your right, he has stealth armour but I don't think he has stealth mode in his new armour. But he can still project illusions as seen here:
Rather than turning invisible he just projects an illusion of himself to distract Hulk in order to position himself for an attack. Considering savage Hulk is not very bright he will undoubtedly fall for this ploy.
At some point hulk is going to get frustrated and use a thunder clap. When he does this the real iron man is going to get exposed. Hulk can attack the iron man who goes flying several feet
Point being is eventually hulk will get frustrated (which will only make him stronger) and he will resort to a attack which is radical.
When Iron man is in position he will let lose a storm of repulsor blasts and missiles effectively stunning the Hulk (this shouldn't be too difficult as savage Hulk doesn't start out that strong)
I have scans of Hulk tanking a blast which was used to melt adamantium. Do you have proof iron mans repulsor blasts can do sufficient damage? I doubt it would stun hulk that much.
Iron man then grabs hold of Hulk and rockets upward into the atmosphere. Tony now has 2 options.
1- drop hulk and let him hurtle toward earth at incredible velocities.
or
2- throw him into space effectively BFR'ing him.
Well win is by KO/Death/Incapacitation so BFR is out. And even so its going to take a long time for iron man to reach those heights and hulk isn't going to sit there. He will punch iron man and smash him as he is being dragged up. Iron man would probably not want to use this tactic. Its going to take him some time to get high enough to KO hulk that way.
@jashro44: Iron man is fast, he would get behind Hulk long before Hulk became frustrated.
That adamantium melting laser sounds incredibly hot, but is there any actual force behind it? the repulsors might not be super hot but there is a lot of force behind the blasts.
Iron man is powerful even without his weapons, in under two seconds he can prepare a devastating punch that is equivalent to solid steel moving at 3,500 ft per second:
He punched out She-Hulk:
And tossed around Luke Cage like he was nothing:
Without guns, missiles or repulsor rays Iron man has taken on countless rivals famous for their strength and durability alike, and cosidering he will be using his weapons in this fight, Hulk should go down all the same.
Nice !
Thank you!
Iron man is fast, he would get behind Hulk long before Hulk became frustrated.
I don't doubt that but he isn't going to put hulk down before that happens.
That adamantium melting laser sounds incredibly hot, but is there any actual force behind it? the repulsors might not be super hot but there is a lot of force behind the blasts.
I don't know if there a lot of force behind it however Hulk has great blunt force durability. This is from Avengers #8. Mrs.Marvel tosses hulk into the earth, when they were in outer space.
Iron man is powerful even without his weapons, in under two seconds he can prepare a devastating punch that is equivalent to solid steel moving at 3,500 ft per second:
I don't think that is enough to put the hulk down. Especially keeping the healing factor in mind. IN addition to the stuff all ready posted there is this:
I realize this is grey hulk and not savage hulk however in the scan it states that wolverine had always thought the hulks skin was hard to cut. However in this fight wolverine found out he was wrong. What is actually the case is hulks skin heals so fast it seems like he is barely cutting him. Wolverine can barely keep track of the rate hulk heals so everything iron man does to hulk will be healed almost instantly.
He punched out She-Hulk:
No he didn't. He won that fight by using spin tech or something. Here is the full scan
I think iron man punched she hulk out in avengers disassembled granted but that instance he did not knock out she hulk. Who isn't really as durable as hulk.
And tossed around Luke Cage like he was nothing:
Luke cage isn't as strong and durable as the hulk.
Without guns, missiles or repulsor rays Iron man has taken on countless rivals famous for their strength and durability alike, and cosidering he will be using his weapons in this fight, Hulk should go down all the same.
I haven't seen anything which would prove this yet. I still say hulks durability and healing factor are just to much to overcome.
@jashro44: Granted She-Hulk and Luke Cage aren't exactly on Hulk's level. Namor however has proven himself more than once to be a force to reckon with, a force Iron man has previously outfought.
As shown above Tony tanked multiple hits from the sub-mariner and still managed to pull through a win (without using any missiles or rockets I might add) all while donning a now obsolete model of the Iron man armour. And just to further elaborate on how powerful Namor is:
Namor implies he is just as strong as the Hulk.
@jashro44: I would have to agree that Hulk's feats are certainly more impressive than Namors, but Namor has gone "blow for blow" as you put it with Beta Ray Bill before.
Considering BRB and Thor are often thought of as equals, I'd have to think Namor could take on Thor as well (I think he did already but am not sure)
This all shows that Iron man should be able to tank quite a few hit's from Hulk.
@thedckid: In that scan thor made it rain which increased namors strength. Also what happens next? Was beta ray bill hurt? Namor also knocked back the real thor but then he was quickly one shotted by thor. So may I ask what happens next between beta ray bill and namor?
@jashro44: Sorry it took so long (you know how it is)
In closing I'd just like to point out that Iron man has the most going for him in this fight. He is faster, much more intelligent, highly adaptive and on top of that has an arsenal of tools and extremely powerful weapons. Hulk is stronger, but Iron man is no slouch in the strength category, thanks to his suit he can hang with the likes of Luke Cage and Namor among others.
Here are some assorted strength feats:
All in all I feel Iron man has what it takes to defeat Hulk.
Thank's for the debate.
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