Harry Potter: The Boy Who Lived
Vs.
Edward Elric: Fullmetal Alchemist
Rules:
- Morals Off
- Bloodlusted
- No prep time
- No outside help
- Win by KO or Death
Location:
@joewell will be using Edward, I will be using Harry for this CaV
CAV: Harry Potter vs. Edward Erlic (Voting open)
Right, I will start out by making my opening case.
Harry James Potter, also known as The Boy Who Lived is one of the most skilled duelists in the Harry Potter Universe. We have defined his standard gear as such.
Firebolt Broomstick
This is a truly state of the art broomstick and the best around in the Harry Potter universe. It goes from 0 to 150 miles per hour in a mere 10 seconds. Its a world class broomstick that is used by professional Quidditch players at the Quidditch World Cup. Not only that, it offers excellent maneuverability, and state of the art braking charms.
Harry's skill with a broom is unquestionable. He was the youngest player to play for his house team in over a century.
As you can see, his knack for maneuverability on a broomstick is uncanny, this was the first time he had ever rode a broom at all. His reflexes were so fast that time seemed to slow down for him when he was on a broom, catching a ball a foot from the ground and holding on whilst pulling up from a dive. This gives him insane speed and evasiveness during a fight.
Sword of Gryffindor
This legendary sword was the property of one of the four founders of Hogwarts, Godric Gryffindor. It is goblin made, meaning that it is impossible to be blemished by conventional means, and extremely durable. The sword also has several interesting properties. It is imbued with Basilisk Venom after Harry stabbed one with it in The Chamber of Secrets. This increases its potency so much. Basilisk venom is very fatal to humans. It is so powerful that it is one of the very few things that can destroy a horcrux. If Harry manages to stab Edward once with this sword, its pretty much lights out for him. In fact, basilisk venom only has one known cure, that is phoenix tears. Within a minute Edward will die a pretty painful death if Harry gets a hit on him.
Above is his greatest feat with the sword. this also shows a very high pain tolerance. He was a 12 year old boy and he somehow remained conscious through a giant lizard pretty much impaling his arm with a fang. It also shows that he has some idea of what he was doing with the sword. Also if you need further proof of the feat the gif below shows it, he keeps a cool head when faced with danger. Harry is a survivor first are foremost. He's faced almost unimaginable odds and somehow gets through it all.
Elder Wand
"The bloody trail of the Elder Wand is splattered across the pages of Wizarding history."
Harry is the true master of the elder wand, the most powerful wand in all of history. Men have fought and died over this wand, its raw power is quite fantastic.
Above is a quote from Dumbledore explaining the power behind the elder wand. He felt that it could not be used by anyone else, that's how powerful it is.
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Above, Voldemort (who was not even the true master of the elder wand) destroys a shield made by the combined magic of many many powerful wizards and witches including most of the professors of Hogwarts and most of the Order of the Phoenix. That is quite incredible. It is so powerful that only a wizard who has conquered death would be worthy.
Not only that, it is a guarantee win for its owner, no matter who they are facing. Another showing from the elder wand is when Harry mended his original broken wand, even though it was pretty much snapped in half and Ollivander himself said that there is no way at all to fix it. The wand can literally do the impossible.
I believe that a combination of his equipment and skill gives Harry the edge over what Edward brings to the table. I will go more into his spellwork, and battle feats in my next post but this is a rough introduction. Your move @joewell
Before anything I have to question some of these spells. Mainly these-
- Configurio- A blasting charm, pretty much causes an explosion at whatever its aimed at. It can be very useful in battle, and he can easily put some damage on Edward with a few hits or get splash damage.
How powerful is this? Is it more than what Ed survived when he went against Roy Mustang?
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And these;
- Confundo- Causes the target to lose focus and prone to error. I dont think that Edward would have any defense against this and he could fall victim to this very easily.
- Crucio- Another huge one. The torture curse, it causes extreme pain to the victim. Almost no one can resist its effects. The only person who has is Harry and that's because the elder wand refused to hurt its true master. This is another potential game changer.
- Defodio- Spell that can cut through solid objects like steel and metal, might be useful against Edward's environment manipulation. This can also potentially sever his metallic arm right off.
- Entail Expelling Curse- Causes all of the entrails (like the intenseness) of a body to be violently ejected from the body. Another spell that could one shot Edward.
- Impedeminta- Halts the progress of the victim through ropes, tripping, or binds. Can be useful if Edward tries to rush Harry directly.
- Imperio- Another game changer. If Edward is not able to defend his mind, he can easily get mind raped by Harry and Harry can simply end this fight before it even begins.
- Levicorpus- Dangles a person by one leg in midair, if Edward gets put into this its game over.
- Petrificus Totalus- Causes the entire body to be frozen and binded up, a person cant move after this. Again Edward can get one shotted if Harry uses this on him.
- Sectumsempra- Causes deep gashes and cuts on a person's body. Draco got one shotted by this spell and its incredibly dark magic. Can decapitate Edward easily.
How does Harry use these? Do they shoot a projectile of some sort or does he point or what?
If they shoot a projectile, how fast do they move? Because Edward can erect his walls faster than a mini-gun can shoot its bullets.
And as for the cutting spells, Eds automail is stronger than normal metals.
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Here it shows Pride ( The little boy with the shadow tendrils ) not being able to cut Eds automail. And those shadows can easily cut through trees, humans, and Alphonses metal body.
So I believe that he could block the spells with his arm and leg, unless the spell has cut through something as durable as that before.
Ok, thats all I'm gonna put until you answer my question about the spells. I don't want to base my plan off of things I'm not sure about.
Sorry, had some work to do but I'm back now. Okay lots to answer here.
- Protego- Had a few physical showings in the series. For example there is the time where he cast a shield charm and it completely knocked Hermione back. Keep in mind that he was not using his own wand so its weaker than normal.
This is when he uses his normal wand and he knocks Snape back into a desk.
Also there is this feat from the movie. Umbridge deflects an arrow using protego.
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Also the harry potter wiki states that in fact the shield charm does protect against physical attacks.
However we must remember that as with all of the other spells, the Elder Wand greatly increases the potency of all of the spells. I already posted two examples above, how the Elder wand (with a non master) busted the shield of the most powerful members of the order of the phoenix and most Hogwarts professors, and how it was able to mend harry's unmendable wand. Therefore I conclude that harry's shield charm would block against any and all physical attacks that Edward can put out from what I can see.
- The blasting curse. The single most impressive feat for this is when peter pettigrew used it. He totally blasted the street they were in, killing 12 muggles in the process. I'd attribute that kind of destruction to a small missile, certainly more than a grenade if they blasted the street open. (Though it says sirius did it, we later find out that it was really Peter, a weak wizard compared to Harry. Also worth pointing out that I already posted a feat of it blasting apart a sidecar of a motercycle.)
With the elder wand enhancements, it would not be surprising if he could almost level half a city block with it, you get the point. The blasts from Harry's wand would be overwhelmingly powerful and have lots of splash damage if a weak minded wizard like Peter Pettigrew could demolish half a entire city street and kill 12 people in the process.
Now let me run through the rest of your questions
- Confundus charm- No projectile at all, you simply gotta point your want in the direction of the person. Immediate effect.
- Crucio- Again no projectile. Immediate effect.
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From the start until 35 seconds roughly.
- Defodio- Unclear but there does not seem to be any projectile. This is its greatest feat
With the elder wand its quite possible that harry himself could have done this, it probably is enough to completely tear apart Edward's arm.
- Entrail Expelling Curse- Not much is known about this one I have to admit, only mentioned in passing so we can leave this out if you want.
- Impedimenta: This is a projectile. Can be blocked and only lasts for a minute or so.
@joewell: Have to continue my post here, for some reason the formatting was getting messed up, would not let me bullet point.
- Levicorpus- Light based but its only nonverbal, meaning there's almost no warning of what is coming.
- Imperio: No light, instantaneous.
- Body bind curse- No light, instant.
- Sectumpstra- Instant, no light.
I hope that answers everything, please let me know if you have any more questions.
Here's the full post, it messed up for some reason when I tried to edit, so I'll just repost and delete the other.
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The spells are instant meaning that Edward has no time to react.
Harry still has to say the words to the spell and aim his wand, right? Thats takes around the same time as it takes Edward to clap his hands.
Second off, that feat you showed of him tanking explosions, were no where near what Harry would be able to do with the Elder wand. I'll repeat myself. Peter Pettigrew (a pretty poor wizard compared to harry) destroyed half a street with a blasting curse, with a substantially weaker wand. Harry casting the curse with the elder wand, well he could wipe out an entire city block. Those explosions would not be tanked by Ed. He might take a few but they will hurt and he can not shrug them off unless you provide a greater feat than that.
They may have been smaller, but it was impressive all the same. Ed could put up a wall up to protect himself or drop himself in a hole and cover it over to counter it instead.
Third off, several Defodio spells and a dragon were able to cut through several layers of rock to break into Gringott's main chamber. I seriously doubt Ed's arm would be able to tank that from Harry using the elder wand, which would probably be able to do that singlehandely. He would have to put up barriers for that, a direct hit would not be able to be tanked by his arm at all. Considering the raw force behind that is roughly two times the force of a dragon (spells did roughly half the work, dragon did the rest).
I see. But he still has a way of stopping it, so it doesn't really matter how.
So as you can see, his shield charm can stay up for as long as he wants it to be.
My mistake. But can he put this up and attack at the same time?
Also one request, post some Ed durability feats. Does he tire? What's the longest he's kept going in a battle because Harry would not tire if he's fighting on broomstick, whereas Ed has to physically exert himself.
Well the fight with Greed ( 2nd video in the first post ) is a good example of his endurance. He was beat down and had half broken automail ( it was a weaker version of the one being used here ) but could still beat the Homunculus after he found his weakness. Keep in mind that that guy could easily crush rock with his punches, and Ed was taking hits from him.
Harry can also mind rape him and I see no defense against this unless you post some feats of Ed resisting mental attacks.
I believe that spell requires eyesight, which Ed can cut off on a moments notice.
That is just on the top of my head. The guy spends so much time in the hospital wing, its very astonishing. This is without mentioning that he can come back from any injury in a matter of seconds with Episkey (amplified by the elder wand).
That's pretty impressive, but once Ed gets Harry on the ground, its over. Ed can end this with a single touch by using his destruction alchemy.
Gallery
( Sorry for the terrible quality, I had to take those from my phone from at the library at my school XD )
Basically whats happening there is Ed is using Scars destruction alchemy, which allows the user to completely destroy the thing it touches. When used on a human, these are the results:
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It basically causes your insides to explode. Ed doesn't tend to use it to often on humans, but since the fight is morals off, he'll be using it anytime he gets close enough.
Now it's only a matter of getting Harry off his broomstick. It will definitely be challenging, but not impossible.
After the building is destroyed and Ed has gotten out, he will use the dust from the explosion for cover to attack. Ed will launch massive earthen spikes, walls, and hands to attack Harry. While Harry may be able to dodge some of them, he'll be to busy dodging to counter-attack. Ed will continue to attack until the dust runs out. After that happens he'll create some more. While he himself was never shown to do this, his less alchemically capable brother could, so there's no reason he couldn't do the same.
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He uses the smoke screen at 0:05.
Using this tactic of hiding in smoke and attacking, Ed can take Harry out. Harry wouldn't be able to attack back because 1; he's being constantly attacked and 2; there a smoke screen around Ed, so all of his spells that require eye contact or knowing where your opponent is are useless.
That would also counter Harry's invisibility, because Ed would see the dust shifting when he came close.
Eventually Harry would be hit. After dozens of stone constructs appear almost instantly in front of him from only feet away, he's gonna slip up and run into one at sometime or another. And once he does, its game over. If he doesn't die from the fall itself, Ed can always use alchemy to cause the ground below to grow spikes.
@joewell: No problem.
- First off, Harry does not have to say the words. He can easily do nonverbal spells, This gives Harry a distinct advantage in surprise. Ed is not going to tell when the spells are coming and often he wont be able to react. Sure he can block some, but he will get tagged sooner or later, Harry is no slouch with aiming and as I have posted above, he has tagged people going on broomsticks while in ariel combat. This just speaks for his prowess with a wand and his reputation as one of the best duelers in the HPverse.
- Second off, you even admit that his explosions are more than Ed can tank effortlessly. He would not even need to get hit directly, the splash damage from an explosion would be insane and it would hurt Ed. He would not be able to counter this all the time , especially if the spells are nonverbal.
- Third off, see point one, with nonverbal spells he can easily catch Ed by surprise. Ed would need to be shielded by constructs all the time, and Harry can break it down, mixing and matching his attacks to catch Ed off guard.
- Fourth off, that isn't really endurance. All of the fights you posted were less than 10 mins long. Harry would not have to physically exert himself as much as Ed and Ed can always tire out in a fight unless you prove me otherwise.
- It requires eyesight but really, Harry can spam it immediately after he breaks a construct. Ed would have to be shielding himself constantly to defend from it. Think about it, spam blast curses, and once Ed is at least staggered from the residual damage he can immediately mind rape him and the fight ends right there. Ed has zero defense against this, its not a projectile he can defend himself against and the result is instant.
- Actually its not over if you get Harry off his broom. He has shown himself to be quite apt at apparition and he can teleport anytime he wants.
- About the shield charm, its not clear at all in the series. Fred and George sell clothing that has the shield charm imbued. The wearer still can cast spells. Then again nothing could pass though the shield charm that Hermione cast when Harry and Ron had their fight. So again this is unclear. Lets say it cant (think the second piece of evidence is more conclusive). It does not matter. Harry would make himself and his broom invisible from the start of the match. He would use the shield charm as needed but he can stay invisible for the fight. Ed would not be able to see him coming by the dust parting as you said because that's not what the charm does.
It allows him to blend in with the surroundings, so whatever color the smoke is, he would take it. It is not simply a force field around him dispersing light. This amplified with the elder wand would make him totally invisible. Essentially Harry would be able to travel at very high speeds and still maintain his invisibility. Not only that, he would not even need to venture into the dust or debris to get shots in on Ed. Brooms are seen regularly flying hundreds of feet into the air. He can easily avoid detection with this.
In short, Ed would have no idea where Harry is. Harry would cast this at the start of a battle and Ed would be utterly confused. He might try to construct a defense or hide, but again, Harry can sneak up behind him. Ed would not even be able to hear Harry coming with the Muffliato spell.
So I have proved that Harry is invisible to Ed, he is not hitting him period. He can not see the "dust parting", nor can he hear Harry coming towards him.
My counter to to your plan happens is this.
Lets say Harry destroys a building. He is already impossible to detect and be heard. Ed might be able to hide in a smokescreen but again I repeat, Harry can not be seen or heard. How is he going to hit an enemy he can not sense? This is morals off Harry so he would not hesitate to do this at all. Ed would be rather confused I think. A invisible enemy is coming at him full speed (150+ mph).
Harry can even do this instantly by appearing right next to ed and slit his throat with the sword of gryffindor, one shot him with a killing curse, mind rape him, use crucio, stun him, lock up his entire body, sever his metallic arm, tear him to pieces with sectumsempra, I could go on and on and on. He would not be able to react to this without knowing where Harry is coming from or if he's even there.
The smoke will also run out eventually allowing Harry to get clear shots on him once this does happen. Unless he shields himself right away and the process would repeat. He can even do it before the smoke clears up, with Homenum Revelio which detects human presence in a area. Either way, Ed has no way to hide from a bloodlusted Harry using all of his magic.
Ed just cant hurt Harry, he'd be in shock. He might wildly try to hurl some constructs at Harry but this would not work. Not with his maneuverability on a broom and ed having no idea where he is, even so, a simple defodio would stop his constructs before they even got to harry but again this is a very very random chance and Ed is essentially fighting in the dark. Nonverbal spells would mean that he would not see them coming unless they were projectiles which Harry would be smart enough not to use.
This essentially means that Harry has his invisibility cloak without actually having it, with the added bonus of not being able to be heard.
As I said before, once Harry finds an opening its game over for Ed period. The only thing Ed can do is shell himself in, and the same results would happen again and again. Harry would blast open his construct, hurting Ed in the process (as I have explained before, his explosions have the potential to hurt Ed.
He will go down eventually. His durability has its limits, and he can be tagged unlike Harry. Even if Harry is tagged, he is invisible. He can fly off, recover, then go right back and chip away again. He can apparate in a pinch if he's knocked off his brooms (gripping charms again would help with this), use Accio to summon it (the pieces would be invisible), repair it, and go right back again.
In short, his combination of stealth and raw power with the elder wand would eventually overwhelm Ed, who does not even know where he is aiming at. If by chance he does get a lucky hit in, he would not be able to sense where he is, Harry can apparate anywhere he wants, and then recover and come back better than ever. Unless you can show me a way that Ed can counter this strategy of hit and run that Harry would employ, he would not be able to get tagged unless some serious PIS was involved.
Your move @joewell
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