It's the Super Saiyan Warriors of Dragon Ball going head-to-head with DC's Man of Steel and Princess of the Amazons. It's a match to go down in legends, who will come out on top in this Earth-shattering power brawl of galactic proportions? Four of the most powerful fighters in the universe, going head, to head, to head, to head.
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@the_man_with_questions: As an avid fan of Dragon Ball AND the man of steel, I've wanted to throw my hat into the Goku vs Superman ring for a long time now, and adding in Vegeta and Wonder Woman is just a big bonus. Let me start with saying that this will by no means be an easy victory for either party. Superman and Goku are destined to stalemate for all eternity; if you put a gun to my head I might have to side with Goku for a slim majority, but throwing Wonder Woman into the mix might give team DC the leg up. Though at the same time, it's pretty hard for me to picture the Prince of all Saiyans being felled by a pitiful earthling, Amazonian or not, so then we're back to this match being a toss-up. In the end, I will side with team DBZ more often than not, but it's close. I've witnessed more than a few Goku vs Superman debates, and from those I feel like I have a good idea of each character's strengths, weaknesses, and more or less how the battle would play out, and in my opinion I just feel that Goku has the overall advantage. Wonder Woman is the wild card here, but at the end of the day, I believe that Goku and Vegeta's advantages in fighting skills, destructive power, and their plethora of miscellaneous techniques and transformations will lead to their eventual victory over the DC duo.
Let me start with Goku and Vegeta's biggest advantage; fighting skills. As Saiyans, both Goku and Vegeta are naturally superior warriors. What other fighters gain through training and experience, a Saiyan can do through instinct. Korin is an 800 year old martial arts grandmaster. During his first meeting with Goku, the Saiyan couldn't even lay a finger on him due to his ability to read minds and body language.
Yet after only three days of training, Goku learned how to counter Korin's moves and successfully outfought him.
Move reading is a technique that took Master Roshi three years of intense training to master, however Goku figured it out on his own after just three days of trying. For an amateur martial artist like Superman, it should take Goku mere seconds, a few minutes at most to learn his moves, and from there dodging everything the man of steel throws out in CQC should be easy. The same is true for Vegeta, as a child he was shown easily sidestepping numerous Saibamen with minimal effort, despite a single Saibamen being a match for Yamcha's martial arts.
They may seem dumb, but they were genetically engineered to be great fighters, capable of using throws, parries, and basic tactics.
Additionally, Mr. Popo taught Goku how to anticipate his opponent's every move by mastering all of his senses, detecting the slightest shift in the atmosphere, and tracking their ki.
The training is mostly glossed over in the manga, but in the anime Popo sends Goku to learn calmness and concentration from a fisherman by feeling the movements in a lake, teaches him how to empty his mind and focus by sparring against an emotionless clay version of himself, has him train his senses by playing hide n' seek blindfolded, and disciplines his mind with constant meditation. After three years, Goku is able to predict Tien Shinhan's attacks without even looking at him. The best part? Vegeta also learned how to sense ki, just by fighting Goku and watching him do it.
During the Buu Saga, Goku was able to easily dodge hits from a much stronger character in total darkness, just by sensing the shifts in the atmosphere. He also claims that Gohan and Vegeta can do this as well by using the words "us" and "we"; it's all a casual affair by this point. The only problem is Vegeta's more head-strong fighting style doesn't really focus on predicting and countering as much as Goku's does, but if he does end up battling Kal-El, he should still have the advantage thanks to his Saiyan blood. Goku on the other hand, can easily dodge and block everything Superman throws out by predicting his moves before he does them.
Like so. Trunks is also a much better fighter than Superman, AND he was stronger than Goku at this point in the series, yet the Saiyan treated him casually.
In terms of reaction time, Goku was able to dodge photon beams in his base form during the Android Saga, so he can definitely react if Clark comes at him faster than light.
Additionally, during his battle against Freeza, Goku was able to escape the paralyzing light ball the instant it exploded. If he wasn't traveling faster than light at that time, than the light attack would have consumed him, but it clearly did not.
And I can not stress enough the monumental, astronomical difference in power between Freeza arc/Androids arc base Goku, and Super Saiyan God Goku, or even Super Saiyan 3. It's two decades of training and three transformations; given this level of skill and speed, Goku should do a good job at parrying Superman while skillfully landing his own blows in precision weak points. Like this.
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Goku has done some heavy damage to characters more durable than Superman, so I see no reason to believe he can't put the man of steel down. Freeza has consistently treated planet busting damage and attacks with absolute casualness. It took an enraged fully-powered blast from Vegeta just to make him blink -- Vegeta, who had planet busting power back in the Saiyan arc -- and even then he still easily kicked it away.
He even managed to survive a Super Spirit Bomb and came away with scratches. Goku took energy from the whole planet, the sun, every living organism in the solar system, and Freeza at only 50% power took it without major problems.
An actual planet exploding on top of Freeza did literally no damage. He was already out of energy and cut in half, but his base durability withstood Namek's destruction with no additional damage.
I think he's pretty comparable to Superman. Clark can't really tank planetary level explosions without being harmed, but after turning Super Saiyan, a haymaker from Goku could make Freeza's eyes bulge out and have him barf out blood.
Bottom line; Goku has injured very durable characters before. He can injure Supes and eventually bring him down.
Wonder Woman's skill will complicate things, but it still holds true that Goku can bring her down. Vegeta too, has the strength to bring them both down if given the chance, being much stronger than Super Saiyan 1 Goku. One particular advantage he has in this though is his insane energy output. The Galick Gun, Final Flash, Big Bang Attack, etc are all some of the strongest ki blasts the series has to offer. For proof, look no further than the famous Kamehameha vs Galick Gun clash. It's true Vegeta lost, but only when Goku activated Kaio-Ken x4. At Kaio-Ken x3, Vegeta was actually winning, despite Goku's power level being far, far higher.
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This proves that Vegeta's ki blasts can achieve power far beyond their means. As an Ascended Super Saiyan, Vegeta quite literally blew Perfect Cell apart.
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If not for Cell's regeneration, the saga would have ended right there. At the time, Vegeta couldn't even injure Perfect Cell, yet his Final Flash was strong enough to destroy him. Considering EOS Vegeta is much, much stronger than Perfect Cell, it really puts his power into perspective. This is far, far beyond planet busting. Vegeta can do some serious damage to either Supes or Diana with just a casual blast, a fully charged one on the other hand would end things. The best part is, neither Superman nor Wonder Woman have any counter for this either. The blasts travel at massively FTL speeds; in an instant the Final Flash was stretching out into the universe, so their chances of dodging are iffy at best. Meanwhile, they have no way of blocking it. Heat vision can't possibly match that power, and Wonder Woman has no energy projection at all.
I believe this summarizes my thoughts, and since I'm pressed for time, I'll leave things like this. Very much looking forward to your reply.
@super_trunks555: @mlunny1121: @agent41: Guys, CaV means that it is a debate between two people that agreed upon terms earlier. It's not a debate for everyone. You're supposed to come in at the end and vote for whoever presented their case better.
That's why people were asking to be tagged for voting.
@agent41 ok Dwight. However, its useless for us to argue because I will never believe that no matter what jarbument you throw at me. Lets just agree to disagree.
@agent41: that is fact , some DBZ fans think that goku is the best fighter in fiction which is not true and he is surly outclassed by better , stronger fighters that fiction has.
@mlunny1121: that's the kind of thing a DBZtard would say , not cool . Facts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your pride / opinions deal with it or no one would take you seriously in a debate
@super_trunks555: @mlunny1121: @agent41: Guys, CaV means that it is a debate between two people that agreed upon terms earlier. It's not a debate for everyone. You're supposed to come in at the end and vote for whoever presented their case better.
That's why people were asking to be tagged for voting.
@xlr87t3: She should, she's white, and that stereotype isn't true in the slightest. Her only claim to fame? I'm a breast guy, but she definitely has a Wonderful ass! Her "White-girl booty" is perfect. <3
@super_trunks555: @mlunny1121: @agent41: Guys, CaV means that it is a debate between two people that agreed upon terms earlier. It's not a debate for everyone. You're supposed to come in at the end and vote for whoever presented their case better.
That's why people were asking to be tagged for voting.
Yeah I know the rules. I wasn't debating. People do this in CaV debates all the time and this is the first time I have ever seen somebody have a problem with it.
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