CaV: Floopay (Alexander Anderson) vs. CadenceV2 (Johnny Blaze)

#1 Posted by Floopay (5631 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Floopay: Alexander Anderson (No nail of Helena)

vs.

CadenceV2: Johnny Blaze (Only Johnny Blaze in control, no Zarathos taking over)

The Battlefield: The City of Pompeii

  • Start 50 feet apart

Battle Conditions:

  • Basic Knowledge on each other
  • Win via: Death, KO, or Submission
  • No Prep
  • Standard Morals
  • No Bloodlust

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#2 Posted by Floopay (5631 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

You can start or I can start. Doesn't matter to me.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#3 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay: Please do start. i start so many lol.

#4 Posted by Floopay (5631 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@Floopay: Please do start. i start so many lol.

Alright, here we go:

Alexander Anderson:

Alias: Father Anderson, Paladin Anderson, Executioner Anderson, Bayonet Anderson, Angel Dust Anderson, Dust to Dust Anderson, Off with his head Anderson, Assassin Anderson, Regenerator Anderson, Killing Judge Anderson, Judas Priest, Iscariot's trump card.

Superhuman Strength - Alexander Anderson can cut vampires and humans in half near effortlessly with but a swing of his sword. He has been able to physically pin Alucard, and is stronger than your average vampire.

Superhuman Durability - Anderson is bullet proof, and can tank punches from vampires without much strain to his body.

Regenerative Healing Factor - Anderson can regenerate almost instantaneously, and from nearly any wound. Including a bullet through his skull.

Superhuman Reflexes - Anderson can react almost instantaneously to swarms of enemies fighting him at once with hosts of weapons. He is well above even the best vampires in terms of reflexes.

Superhuman Speed - Anderson can cross immense distances at superhuman speeds, almost instantaneously, and faster than even the greatest vampire can react to.

Superb Marksman - Anderson has deadly, and precise aim with his ranged attacks, able to impale a single target a dozen times without hitting a critical spot.

Divine Weaponry - All of Anderson's weapons are divine in nature.

Divine Magic - Anderson has used his magic for a huge variety of purposes, from barriers, to conjuration, to teleportation, etc. etc.

Anderson's aim:

Hits Seras and catches Alucard by surprise

And then:

Puts up a divine barrier (I'll elaborate on this later)

Purposefully missed Seras's heart, after all, what's the sport in that?

Anderson Challenges Alucard...

Anderson is too fast for Alucard in this instance, gets his sword in Alucard's neck before Alucard can even get his guns pointed at Anderson...

Of course Alucard Survives and then BAM:

Alucard compliments him on his bravery and strength

Weapon bathed in holy water? Well, turns out that's the least of their worries:

Alucard's gun rips through him like a dart going through paper

Back up in an instant

Before Alucard can react, Anderson is across the room and on top of him:

Anderson is able to overpower and pin him:

And all this while he was still injured, and before his wounds had even fully closed:

Alucard is...down!

Alucard Decapitated by Anderson:

Poor Seras Victoria:

Anderson pins Alucard's head against the wall from across the hall with one throw:

Anderson creates a divine barrier, which traps supernatural and evil beings:

Blankets the area with the divine wall:

Anderson is bullet proof, and he can lop a man's head clean off with but a single swing of his sword, as well as cleave a man clean in half:

Uses his divine magic to vanish off to another location (I will elaborate more on this later in the debate):

This is a good start, I'll elaborate more on this later.

Anderson specializes in fighting the Supernatural, and he takes pleasure in doing so. Johnny Blaze is going to be quite the target for him, because Johnny outclasses him in strength, whereas Anderson takes this in speed. But I think Anderson can nudge a victory with magic here.

His weapons are divine, which is a huge bonus. He can easily overpower Alucard without much issue. He is extremely durable (to the point of being bullet proof), and he has a wider arsenal at his disposal.

He could potentially create a divine barrier to stop Johnny from being able to flee or leave the area. He can transport himself via magic to wherever he'd like to be in the arena. He can put a bayonet in Johnny's skull from several dozen yards away without much issue, plus his speed is beyond supernatural. I think he's got a really solid chance of taking the majority here.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#5 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay: Damn Floopay! Is that like the whole Manga book there lol. Took me a second to get thru it. Glad to see ya using the Manga version which is cool. Coodoos to ya.

Well I will never argue Blaze speed... he simply not super fast except on his bike.

So no argument to speed.

I will debate Durability, Strength, and Hellfire powers.

Holy Weapons will do damge ofcourse as well Magik in general. Its not a weakness tho. It just by passes his Durability a bit.

So lets get into Durability here.

Deacon is a warrior for the angel Zadkiel. He is gifted with superhuman Strength and 2 Holy blades.
These Blades have broken thru GR Unbreackable Hellfire Chains.
Block Hellfire.
Immune to Penance stare (as per Zadkiels Powers)
Yet he still couldnt kill GR that quick.

This is the Deacon with Holy weapon and Bleesed Strength.

This shows how much damage can be cause to GR with holy weapons or Magic. He is near Immune to small arm fire type weapons.

As seen here Small Arms do no lasting damage at all nor phase him.

This is Vengeance (another human Control spirit of vengeance tanking Holy Bullets from Machine Gun.

So all in all Holy dip Blades would do more damage than non I truly belive Blaze can tank them for a short period before succumbing to it.

Strength. Strength is what Blaze has in spades here.

GR has strength enough to carry the front of a jet.

Dan Ketch rider shows enough strength to easily flip a Car.

Needless to say strength is in spades for Blaze GR.

Finally the biggest advantage of Blaze is Hellfire.

Hellfire allows Blaze to make Objects, Chains, and Soul Burning Flames Attacks.

#6 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Hellfire with Power and accuracy as well Hellfire Flamethrower Breath.

Accuracy
Powerful charge up Fireball
Flame Thrower
Can create a Hellfire cycle (rather easily now n days)
Unlimited Hellfire Chains to attack with.

These abilities allow him to not only give Alexander Healing a work out but burn his soul. The chains themselves allow for range attacks, swings, and grappling attacks.

Your move.

#7 Posted by Floopay (5631 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

Those points are fine and all, but in the time it takes Ghost Rider to conjure a fireball he'll have a body riddled with divine bayonets. Hitting Anderson with chains seems great, until all of a sudden Anderson dodges out of the way and throws a few bayonets through him.

As far as a motorcycle goes...well...on the one hand it offers superior mobility, but on the other hand if Anderson divine barriers the place it's really not going to very effective, as it'll end up hampering his mobility more than anything.

Anderson slaughters swarms of Vampires...effortlessly

Anderson can't even be hurt by their weapons, and it's doubtful he can even be hurt by the vampires themselves

With a few throws, Anderson flings out what seems to be dozens of these bayonets to dispatch the Vampires sent against him

Anderson exchanges blows with Alucard, causes him little more than a bloody nose, all the while he has a huge grin on his face:

Anderson is not to be trifled with, his ability to fling out dozens of bayonets at a time alone is deadly enough:

He may be a holy man, but as you can see he strikes fear into the hearts of his opponents, something Johnny may want to take note of:

Anderson is a beast, he is the head of Iscariot Section XIII, and for a good reason:

Anderson splits Vampires, who can take bullets like candy:

Small armies topple before Anderson's might:

Dozens of holy Bayonets fling from him at once, vanquishing numerous foes effortlessly with pinpoint precision:

But how strong can his Bayonets get?

BOOM!!! Each one explodes, he can litter the battle field with divine weaponry that explodes with much the same effect as an RPG.

The fact is Johnny isn't going to be able to rely on his normal tricks to vanquish Anderson. Anderson has the speed to dodge much of Johnny's attacks, he has the precision to tag Johnny, he has divine barriers to trap Johnny.

He has teleportation to appear where he needs to be, and he was able to track Integra across town and keep up with her during her high speed car chase, and then appeared instantly and defended her...all the while no vampires nor Integra herself were aware Iscariot was even there with a small army, that's damn good stealth if I've ever seen it.

Over and above this his weapons are divine, and he can fling out dozens of attacks in an instance, with each bayonet able to create RPG level explosions.

You're going to have to do better than one long range fireball and a little hellfire to topple a man who has had a small arsenal of Alucard's bullets rip through his body, and still remained standing.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#8 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay said:

You're going to have to do better than one long range fireball and a little hellfire

..... oh it so on.

Alright Anderson many Blades is impressive. Even more so than the Anime. also his Exploding Blades is a cincher for sure. Gr at his best in Human Control should still tank said attacks for a short time. If crap its the fan GR can get serious with his Hellfire. A Large blast from his own body comes into mine once.

Good hundred feet of Hellfire and Soul Burning attack.

Also the Chains are hard to Avoid when they spread from any part of his body.

Take a look at Blaze here fighting this Fallen Angel.

Particularly this Scan. Shows twice Blaze's chain whipping in all dierections to save him as well ensaring this angel.
As well GR massive coverage in Hellfire thats pretty much Flamethrower in speed. Hard attack to dodge in this battle ground and perfect for trench warfare (as this battleground is like).

Anderson Feats are impressive vs Bullets and what not but Hellfire burning his Flesh all over combine with the Pain of Soul burning is another thing.

As for GR Motor Cycle Skills...

Well he did Out Trick and Race Death (the Abstract Death) pretty well.

Then we have his cycle skills doing most of the work against Cap, iron man, and Thor Hammer Throw. Heck he took thor down with his cycle. He is one of the best stunt cyclist in the world period and add in a Super Fast and Indestructible Hellfire cycle... well...

As he says. Never question his skills!

He can have the Mobility to move around and attack all over the place.

#9 Posted by Floopay (5631 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

How did his skills do most the work against Cap? Cap was doing really well at keeping up with Johnny, it looks like the hellfire did most of the work to be honest...

As far as him against Death...well...that's fine and all, but Anderson can create a divine barrier to trap him within a confined area, which sort of makes it difficult to use a motorcycle effectively.

Anderson is never given a chance to reload, rest, or anything from the scans in my previous post til this point, so it is safe to say his supply is endless:

Teleports in to get the jump on Alucard:

Alucard is unleashed to Level 0, and Anderson tries to kill him quickly (I'm jumping through scans.

Anderson doesn't back down, and he doesn't quit. And he still has a huge speed advantage here, and still has divine magic and his regeneration on his side, and let us not forget his teleportation:

Which he used to challenge Alucard and get the jump on him:

Anderson is able to fight a Level 0 Alucard:

You think some Hellfire will stop Anderson? Alucard used multiple attacks to negate his healing factor, including Dandy Man's cards (as you can see in the bottom scan)

But Anderson still stands:

Anderson fights through everything. Hellfire isn't an instant kill when it touches something, and it has been resisted before.

Blaze vs the Deacon

Deacon was able to use a divine weapon to block Hellfire. It's not much of a stretch to say a man who can construct divine barriers, and summon a limitless supply of divine bayonets could potentially block Blaze's hellfire attacks.

Plus he can use his teleportation to get the jump on Blaze, use explosives to devastate the battlefield and Blaze, use Divine Barriers to help limit Blaze's options for escape or whatever, etc. etc.

He's incredible fast, incredibly durable, and still has an amazing healing factor, and great strength.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#10 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay: God we roll thru our debates so quickly these days lol.

The Divine Barrier ca be useful but I see it use only on enclose spaces (unless I miss a open battlefield scan) and I think Blaze can easily ride out with his Cycle.

Also Blaze (and other Human riders) have the durability and strength to beat Opponents who are stronger and tougher than themselves.

Here Blaze fights Dr. Strange in a intense battle. Strange one shots him sure but strange would have ended Anderson as well :).

Heck Blaze was able to survive WWH T Clap with ease, get toss around, and drop a Building on him.

The Chains alone could break apart the surrounding walls so Blaze wont remain trap at all by the Barrier on the walls.

Mr. Hyde is a tough opponent. but not tough enough for the human Control Ketch Rider.

Also notice how a durable opponent like Hyde was defeated? Time to pull out the big guns! The Penance Stare!

Anderson if was ever caught ot entagled via Chains then Blaze will PS him into a KO.

It works on beings like Dr. strange, Angels, and Demons alike. anderson would not be immune as the protected Deacon was.

Should for any reason Blaze gets his hands on him with those Inffinite Chains like Lucifer here was.

Well its game set match.

Also even without it I have Soul burning Hellfire that will damage Anderson even if he regenerates his flesh. It will take its toll after a while.

The chains themselves are hard to avoid.

Or like Strange found out.

Or Caleb GR shows...

The strength force 2 human bodies thru each others.

Sure Anderson can shoot him up of blades, but they stick in and like the Holy Bullets will be ignored for a while not a instant death like those Vampires.

Once those Chains get on Anderson it can be game over quick.

Thanks to the Cycle skills, Chains, and Soul burning hellfire attacks I think GR as Blaze is enough to pull many wins.

#11 Posted by Floopay (5631 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

Dang, if only Anderson had a way to get out of being trapped in the chains! Oh woe is me! If only I had posted scans of him doing some sort of ability that allowed him to relocate his current position to another position via some form of divine magic, but alas, I am stuck! If only he had multiple instances of teleportation!

Anderson, bleeding, absent his regeneration because of Dandy Man's card's and Alucard's bullets, one arm falling off, with no hope for winning. So what does he do?

He keeps on trucking like the badass he is!

Overwhelmed by an army? No problem. Ghost Rider can take on as many as he pleases, I've proven Anderson can take on hosts of vampires, who can run at near hypersonic speeds, who can tear through steel like it's nothing. And what happens when Anderson is confronted by Alucard's army?

Did you say rips through bone and steel with one arm full functioning and the other being wielded with his mouth!? Because if you did you were correct!

You think Ghost Rider is the only one with chains? You are sorely mistaken! What happens when Ghost Rider comes up against Anderson's Chain Explosive Guidance!?

Anderson, against all odds, will fight until he is no more:

Alucard gets excited to face a true soldier, a true HUMAN capable of defeating him. That alone should prove his worth here.

Anderson bullrushes ahead, plowing through even the most physically intimidating of opponents:

Anderson gets his butt saved here, but remember, he's without a healing factor, and he's already taken on several armies worth of people and done nothing to replenish his reserves!

Vatican Soldiers kamikaze a path for Anderson, and even within the explosions, Anderson remains unharmed:

Anderson Walks through Hell

Even after a full day of constant fighting, even after having his regeneration stripped from him, even after having his arm almost fully cut off, Anderson cleaved his way through armies and showed untold strength and power.

Realistically, Anderson is wielding a host of divine spells and weapons here and divine spells. He has an incredible amount of versatility, and he creates divine explosions and weapons with a flick of his wrist.

He can dang near outrace bullets, he has proven himself faster than a normal Alucard, and faster than even Alucard's reflexes, on multiple occasions.

He has tanked dynamite and gunfire without any damage to his person, and even when damaged, he has regenerated at incredible speeds.

He can teleport, if GR follows him into any buildings or any enclosed areas (which there are plenty of in this battlefield) he can divine barrier him.

He is strong enough to cut through steel, bone, and flesh in a single swing without any signs of strain.

He can throw dozens of holy weapons simultaneously with pinpoint accuracy, each one capable of letting off an immense explosion.

He can do his chain guidance attack which is extremely lethal and going to be pretty difficult to avoid.

Finally, Penance stare is great and all, but he has to get Alexander in a position to use it, and I'm curious as to how well it will work on a holy man protected by the church and who wields divine magic. Remember, this is pre-Monster of God Anderson.

Alright, I'm out of scans and ready for your rebuttal.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#12 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay: Rebuttal? Im scraping the bottom of my barrel at this point.

Im good. This was fun and quick.

Ready for votes.

#13 Posted by Floopay (5631 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2:

I posted all but maybe 5 scans of Anderson Pre-Nail, so there is literally no more Anderson feats for me to post :P

Ready for votes:

If you're interested in commenting. I apologize for the many I forgot to call out.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#14 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay: Honestly I feel Blaze was a little underwhelmed for Anderson now remembering his gear and holy Bless weapon :P

#15 Posted by Floopay (5631 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2 said:

@Floopay: Honestly I feel Blaze was a little underwhelmed for Anderson now remembering his gear and holy Bless weapon :P

Seras and Walter would have been cool fights too, but Walter (even Pre-Vampire) makes Anderson look like a child in comparison, and Seras...well....is ridiculous.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#16 Posted by jashro44 (9317 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Remind me to get back to this.

#17 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (3257 posts) - 4 months, 23 days ago - Show Bio

Post keeping this in mind.

#18 Posted by Floopay (5631 posts) - 4 months, 22 days ago - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

Remind me to get back to this.

K

Looking for votes, anyone can vote, please do!

Calling more users to vote :P

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#19 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13875 posts) - 4 months, 22 days ago - Show Bio

@Floopay: This may take a while to read, but I'll give my say later.

#20 Posted by nickzambuto (7809 posts) - 4 months, 22 days ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Floopay: This may take a while to read, but I'll give my say later.

^

#21 Posted by jashro44 (9317 posts) - 4 months, 22 days ago - Show Bio

Slight edge to floopay

#22 Posted by YoungJustice (5679 posts) - 4 months, 22 days ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@Floopay: This may take a while to read, but I'll give my say later.

#23 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (3257 posts) - 4 months, 22 days ago - Show Bio

I'll give it to @Floopay: Due to the fact I know nothing of each character but Alexander Anderson had a better showing of skill, speed, damage socking, & a will to kill with no discrimination.

#24 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13875 posts) - 4 months, 22 days ago - Show Bio

Alright after reading all of these, I firmly believe Floopay would win, but by a landslide.

It was really hard to decide. CadenceV2's scans almost made me vote for him though.

#25 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 4 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

@jashro44: @YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: Oh stop you guys :) My debate was horrible and was hard press.

I really had a hard time thinking of how Gr could beat this guy. In all reality Anderson would be perfect Gr (Human Control anyway) killer. Thanks for the kind words tho.

#26 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (13875 posts) - 4 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: Aw c'mon you didn't do so bad!

#27 Posted by CadenceV2 (9940 posts) - 4 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: Not my worst but not my best :)

#28 Posted by Floopay (5631 posts) - 4 months, 21 days ago - Show Bio

@CadenceV2: I was curious as to why Anderson was the final choice of yours after all the people I listed. Though I suppose manga Anderson is stronger than anime Anderson. Well, maybe not stronger, but most definitely faster and more versatile.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#29 Posted by Pwok21 (1917 posts) - 4 months, 18 days ago - Show Bio

I'll give the edge to Floopay in debating and in the fight itself, mostly due to Anderson's durability, skill and utilities.

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