#1 Posted by Fetts (4405 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules: 
-Morals off. 
-No prep. 
-Each opponent starts 20 ft. away from each other. 
-Each have standard equipment. 
-Location: 

 
EU Darth Vader 
 vs 
#2 Posted by Wolfrazer (6028 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh jeez.....sorry didn't mean to post but.....oh jeez..

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#3 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (23171 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fetts: You can start it off.

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#4 Edited by ShootingNova (15499 posts) - - Show Bio

The two debaters will make this nice, the problem is that this is a bit one-sided.

#5 Posted by Fetts (4405 posts) - - Show Bio
@ShootingNova said:

The two debaters will make this nice, the problem is that this is a bit one-sided.

Agreed. It's unfortunate too because Darth Malgus is a true badass in his own right. But we'll see what dccomicsrule2011 has in store for us. 
 
 @dccomicsrule2011
Alright then. Firstly, Vader is an impressive duelist and combat strategist. He's taken on eight Jedi Masters and killed four of them on his own. One was killed by a fellow Jedi, and the others were teamed up on by clones. Still. Fighting eight experienced Jedi Masters at once, keeping an upper hand for a good while, killing half of them, and surviving the encounter is nothing to scoff at. 
 
Note: I give credit to Silver2467 for most of these scans.
 
It's certainly more impressive than what I've seen from Malgus. At best, he's beaten two Jedi at once in the Sacking of Coruscant. 
 
And then there's his vast array of Force Powers. 
Scans 1-3: Vader destroys a cathedral with the Force. 
Scans 4-5: Creates an avalanche. 
Scan 6: Elevates the ground underneath the feet of a large droid and crushes it with the Force. 
Scan 7: Creates a sandstorm. 
Scan 8: Creates a telekinetic shield, drops it, and Force Pushes all of them to kingdom come. I also see this particular scan as an impressive reaction feat. Note that Vader's shield is receiving a simultaneous spread of blaster fire from multiple individuals. Vader would have had much less than a second to put the shield down and utilize a Force Push before the next blaster bolt hit him. 
 
Recently, in Purge: The Tyrant's Fist, Vader has also shown the ability to Force Crush a Jedi's heart. 
 
Again, I haven't seen anything from Darth Malgus that would him on Vader's level. 
 
Your move.
#6 Posted by ShootingNova (15499 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fetts: Yes, but I mean to the point of near-mismatch, or even mismatch. Like, virtually every category is tipped in Vader's favor, some of which are massive stomps in his favor. But happy debating and good luck to both of you. :)

#7 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (23171 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fetts: Sorry for taking so long (just getting over leg pains) Let me start off by saying Malgus has an edge that Vader does not in this fight Force Lighting, Malgus Force lighting is strong enough to over power Jedi and burn flesh.

Malgus held forth his hand and the rage within hm manifested in blue veins of lightning that discharged from his fingertips and slammed into Adraas. The power stopped Adraas's charge cold, blew his lightsaber from his hand, caught him up in a cage of burning lightning. He screamed, squirming in frustration and pain.

-Taken from page 247 of Deceived

As Aryn prepared to leap at Malgus, he held forth a hand, almost casually, and lightning sizzled through the space between them. Aryn interposed her lightsabers, but the power in the lightning exceeded anything she had felt from Malgus before. It blasted through her defenses and both lightsabers flew from her hands. The lightning seized her, lifted her up, and threw her from the top of the shuttle.
As she flew toward the deck, she smelled burning flesh, heard screaming, realized that it was her flesh, her screams. She hit the ground hard and her head bounced off the ground. Sparks erupted om her brain, pain, and everything went dark.

-Taken from page 231 of Decieved

Malgus, not to be outdone, picked a Jedi Knight at random, a human female ten meters away, held forth his left hand, and discharged veins of blue lightning from his finger tips. The jagged lines of energy cut a swath through the battle, harvesting two Padawans as they went, until they caught up to the Jedi Knight and lifted her off her feet.

Taken from page 32 and 33 of Deceived

She screamed as the lightning ripped into her, her flesh made temporarily translucent from the dark power coursing through her. Malgus savored her pain as she died.

That kind of lighting would do some damage to Vader if he was to take a hit from it.

Alright then. Firstly, Vader is an impressive duelist and combat strategist. He's taken on eight Jedi Masters and killed four of them on his own. One was killed by a fellow Jedi, and the others were teamed up on by clones. Still. Fighting eight experienced Jedi Masters at once, keeping an upper hand for a good while, killing half of them, and surviving the encounter is nothing to scoff at.
Note: I give credit to Silver2467 for most of these scans.













It's certainly more impressive than what I've seen from Malgus. At best, he's beaten two Jedi at once in the Sacking of Coruscant.

Well Malgus may not have a Dueling feats as impressive as that but he was able to duel and beat multiple Jedi

Before he could locate the Jedi Master, three more Jedi swarmed him. He parried the chop of a human male, leapt over the low slash of an orange-skinned Togruta female, severed the hand of the third, a female human, disarming her, then grabbed her by the throat with his free hand and slammed her into the floor with his Force-enhanced strength.
"Alara!" said the human male.
Leaping high over the male's cross-slash, Malgus landed behind the Togruta, who parried his ligthsaber strike but could not defend herself against the Force blast that sent her skidding across the hall and into a pile of rubble.
He ducked under a slash from the male, lunged forward, and took the Jedi by the throat. He lifted him from his feet and held him suspended in the air, gagging. The Jedi's brown eyes showed no fear, but did show pain. Malgus roared, squeezed hard, then dropped the body and stood over it, blade at his side, breath coming hard.

Taken for page 32-33 of Deceived.

He was able to take on and defeat a skilled Jedi master in Zallow ( the Jedi order had him held as one of the best)

Page 33-34

Anger refilled him, overcame him. A shout of hate, raw and jagged, burst from his throat. Power went with it, shattering a nearby column and sending a rain of stone shards through the room.

Page 34

Another Jedi stepped in front of him, blue blade held high. Malgus barely saw him. He simply extended a hand, pushed through the Jedi's insufficient defense, seized his throat with the Force, and choked him to death. Tossing the body aside, he moved towards Zallow.

Page 34-35

Malgus spun into a high, Force-augmented kick that hit Zallow in the chest and sent him flying backward ten meters.

Page 35

Malgus, burning with hate, flung his lightsaber at Zallow. He guided its trajectory with the Force, and it spun a sizzling path through the air as Zallow's neck. But Zallow, riding the momentum of his attack on the second Sith, leapt into the air and over the blade.
While Zallow was still in the air, Malgus unleashed a blast of energy that caught the Jedi unprepared and send him crashing downward into a pile of rubble.
Malgus did not hesitate. He mounted the column of his anger, shouting with hate, and leapt twenty meters into the air toward Zallow. Mid-jump, he used the Force to recall his blade to his hand, took a reverse two-handed grip, and prepared to pin Zallow to the Temple floor.

Page 35-36

Seeing an opening, Zallow stepped forward and crosscut for Malgus throat.
As Malgus knew he would.
Malgus turned his blade vertical to parry the blow and spun out of the blade lock. Reversing his lightsaber during the spin, he rode it into a stab that pierced Zallow's abdomen and came out of the other side.

Page 36

When the crowd did not respond to his demand, he slammed a fit into his palm and let anger-fueled power explode outward from his body. Screams sounded as the blast shoved everything away from him in all directions.
Bodies flew backward, slammed into one another, into the walls, against and through windows. The transport he'd rode in on lurched from the blast. The doors of the medical facility flew from their mounts and crashed to the ground.

-All taken form Deceived

And then there's his vast array of Force Powers.








Scans 1-3: Vader destroys a cathedral with the Force.
Scans 4-5: Creates an avalanche.
Scan 6: Elevates the ground underneath the feet of a large droid and crushes it with the Force.
Scan 7: Creates a sandstorm.
Scan 8: Creates a telekinetic shield, drops it, and Force Pushes all of them to kingdom come. I also see this particular scan as an impressive reaction feat

I agree Vader has the versatility in the Force advantage but Malgus has impressive Force Showing as well.

Here Malgus uses Force Push to break the bones of guards.

The last word hung in the air, frozen in time, as Malgus drew on the Force and augmented his speed. The hilt of his lightsaber filled his hand and its red line split the air. He crosscut the guard before him, putting a black canyon in his chest, continued the swing through the guard on his left, and with his left hand used a blast of power to drive the third guard into the Temple wall hard enough to crush bones and kill him.

-Taken from page 23 of Deceived.

Malgus felt the sudden surge of terror in the two soldiers up on the ledge to his left, felt them take aim in sweaty hands, start to squeeze triggers. He flung his lightsaber at them, guided it with the Force in a flickering red arc that cut both of them down, then recalled the blade to his hand. He deactivated it and hunt it from his belt.

Here Malgus displays saber throw

Malgus felt the sudden surge of terror in the two soldiers up on the ledge to his left, felt them take aim in sweaty hands, start to squeeze triggers. He flung his lightsaber at them, guided it with the Force in a flickering red arc that cut both of them down, then recalled the blade to his hand. He deactivated it and hunt it from his belt.

Uses the Force choke to kill a Jedi

Another Jedi stepped in front of him, blue blade held high. Malgus barely saw him. He simply extended a hand, pushed through the Jedi's insufficient defense, seized his throat with the Force, and choked him to death. Tossing the body aside, he moved towards Zallow.

-Taken from page 34 and 35 of Deceived

Here flings crowd of people and moves transport he rode in with the Force.

When the crowd did not respond to his demand, he slammed a fit into his palm and let anger-fueled power explode outward from his body. Screams sounded as the blast shoved everything away from him in all directions.
Bodies flew backward, slammed into one another, into the walls, against and through windows. The transport he'd rode in on lurched from the blast. The doors of the medical facility flew from their mounts and crashed to the ground.

Taken from page 36 of Deceived.

Malgus is also very fast he has displayed amazing speed.

Malgus, nested deeply in the Force, perceived the dozens of bolts and their trajectory with perfect clarity. Without breaking stride he whipped his blade left, right, angled it ten degrees, and turned three bolts back on the soldiers who'd fired them, killing all three.

-Taken from page 24 of Deceived

Here Malgus shows that he can move his lightsaber so fast it looks as if he has a shield.

His Force-enhanced reflexes moved faster than their trigger fingers. Without slowing his pace, he pulled his lightsaber into his hand and activated it as he blasters discharged. The red line of his weapon spun so fast in his hand it expanded into a shield.
Two of the blaster shots ricocheted off his weapon and into the ceiling. He deflected the other four back at the troopers, putting black holes through two chests and two face masks. Another two strides and a lunge brought him upon the surviving two troopers before they could fire again. He crosscut, spun, and crosscut again, killing both.

-Taken from page 224 of Deceived.

I think Malgus could win this if he plays his chips right he has an edge, since he has Force Lighting that could spell Lethal for Vader.

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#8 Posted by Fetts (4405 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011: Ah. I figured you might use feats from Deceived. It looked intriguing. I was tempted to get it myself. But anywho, I'll get back to you on Saturday.
#9 Edited by dccomicsrule2011 (23171 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fetts: Ok, cool.

Sidenote: Deceived was a good book imo, Malgus was a total badass.

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#10 Posted by Fetts (4405 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Fetts: Ok, cool.

Sidenote: Deceived was a good book imo, Malgus was a total badass.

Alright. Sorry I took so long but I'm back now. 
 
The videos were enough to convince me that he was already a badass :) 
 
@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@Fetts: Sorry for taking so long (just getting over leg pains) Let me start off by saying Malgus has an edge that Vader does not in this fight Force Lighting, Malgus Force lighting is strong enough to over power Jedi and burn flesh.

Malgus held forth his hand and the rage within hm manifested in blue veins of lightning that discharged from his fingertips and slammed into Adraas. The power stopped Adraas's charge cold, blew his lightsaber from his hand, caught him up in a cage of burning lightning. He screamed, squirming in frustration and pain.

-Taken from page 247 of Deceived

As Aryn prepared to leap at Malgus, he held forth a hand, almost casually, and lightning sizzled through the space between them. Aryn interposed her lightsabers, but the power in the lightning exceeded anything she had felt from Malgus before. It blasted through her defenses and both lightsabers flew from her hands. The lightning seized her, lifted her up, and threw her from the top of the shuttle.
As she flew toward the deck, she smelled burning flesh, heard screaming, realized that it was her flesh, her screams. She hit the ground hard and her head bounced off the ground. Sparks erupted om her brain, pain, and everything went dark.

-Taken from page 231 of Decieved

Malgus, not to be outdone, picked a Jedi Knight at random, a human female ten meters away, held forth his left hand, and discharged veins of blue lightning from his finger tips. The jagged lines of energy cut a swath through the battle, harvesting two Padawans as they went, until they caught up to the Jedi Knight and lifted her off her feet.

Taken from page 32 and 33 of Deceived

She screamed as the lightning ripped into her, her flesh made temporarily translucent from the dark power coursing through her. Malgus savored her pain as she died.

That kind of lighting would do some damage to Vader if he was to take a hit from it.

While indeed Malgus does have that particular edge, he has to actually hit Vader with it. Don't forget that Vader has both a lightsaber and telekinesis to defend himself from such attacks. And even if Malgus did manage to hit him, Vader can still take a lot of damage. Even when it comes it lightning. Vader managed to survive Starkiller's Force Lightning coupled with legit lightning. 
 

Well Malgus may not have a Dueling feats as impressive as that but he was able to duel and beat multiple Jedi

Before he could locate the Jedi Master, three more Jedi swarmed him. He parried the chop of a human male, leapt over the low slash of an orange-skinned Togruta female, severed the hand of the third, a female human, disarming her, then grabbed her by the throat with his free hand and slammed her into the floor with his Force-enhanced strength.
"Alara!" said the human male.
Leaping high over the male's cross-slash, Malgus landed behind the Togruta, who parried his ligthsaber strike but could not defend herself against the Force blast that sent her skidding across the hall and into a pile of rubble.
He ducked under a slash from the male, lunged forward, and took the Jedi by the throat. He lifted him from his feet and held him suspended in the air, gagging. The Jedi's brown eyes showed no fear, but did show pain. Malgus roared, squeezed hard, then dropped the body and stood over it, blade at his side, breath coming hard.

Taken for page 32-33 of Deceived.

He was able to take on and defeat a skilled Jedi master in Zallow ( the Jedi order had him held as one of the best)

Page 33-34

Anger refilled him, overcame him. A shout of hate, raw and jagged, burst from his throat. Power went with it, shattering a nearby column and sending a rain of stone shards through the room.

Page 34

Another Jedi stepped in front of him, blue blade held high. Malgus barely saw him. He simply extended a hand, pushed through the Jedi's insufficient defense, seized his throat with the Force, and choked him to death. Tossing the body aside, he moved towards Zallow.

Page 34-35

Malgus spun into a high, Force-augmented kick that hit Zallow in the chest and sent him flying backward ten meters.

Page 35

Malgus, burning with hate, flung his lightsaber at Zallow. He guided its trajectory with the Force, and it spun a sizzling path through the air as Zallow's neck. But Zallow, riding the momentum of his attack on the second Sith, leapt into the air and over the blade.
While Zallow was still in the air, Malgus unleashed a blast of energy that caught the Jedi unprepared and send him crashing downward into a pile of rubble.
Malgus did not hesitate. He mounted the column of his anger, shouting with hate, and leapt twenty meters into the air toward Zallow. Mid-jump, he used the Force to recall his blade to his hand, took a reverse two-handed grip, and prepared to pin Zallow to the Temple floor.

Page 35-36

Seeing an opening, Zallow stepped forward and crosscut for Malgus throat.
As Malgus knew he would.
Malgus turned his blade vertical to parry the blow and spun out of the blade lock. Reversing his lightsaber during the spin, he rode it into a stab that pierced Zallow's abdomen and came out of the other side.

Page 36

When the crowd did not respond to his demand, he slammed a fit into his palm and let anger-fueled power explode outward from his body. Screams sounded as the blast shoved everything away from him in all directions.
Bodies flew backward, slammed into one another, into the walls, against and through windows. The transport he'd rode in on lurched from the blast. The doors of the medical facility flew from their mounts and crashed to the ground.

-All taken form Deceived

Impressive. But as you said it's not as impressive as Vader's. Vader has also taken on and killed some of the Jedi Order's brightest, such as Ben Kenobi and Cin Drallig. He even killed a possibly-enhanced Darth Maul. Don't even get me started with how boss Darth Maul can be. 
 

I agree Vader has the versatility in the Force advantage but Malgus has impressive Force Showing as well.

Here Malgus uses Force Push to break the bones of guards.

The last word hung in the air, frozen in time, as Malgus drew on the Force and augmented his speed. The hilt of his lightsaber filled his hand and its red line split the air. He crosscut the guard before him, putting a black canyon in his chest, continued the swing through the guard on his left, and with his left hand used a blast of power to drive the third guard into the Temple wall hard enough to crush bones and kill him.

-Taken from page 23 of Deceived.

Malgus felt the sudden surge of terror in the two soldiers up on the ledge to his left, felt them take aim in sweaty hands, start to squeeze triggers. He flung his lightsaber at them, guided it with the Force in a flickering red arc that cut both of them down, then recalled the blade to his hand. He deactivated it and hunt it from his belt.

Here Malgus displays saber throw

Malgus felt the sudden surge of terror in the two soldiers up on the ledge to his left, felt them take aim in sweaty hands, start to squeeze triggers. He flung his lightsaber at them, guided it with the Force in a flickering red arc that cut both of them down, then recalled the blade to his hand. He deactivated it and hunt it from his belt.

Uses the Force choke to kill a Jedi

Another Jedi stepped in front of him, blue blade held high. Malgus barely saw him. He simply extended a hand, pushed through the Jedi's insufficient defense, seized his throat with the Force, and choked him to death. Tossing the body aside, he moved towards Zallow.

-Taken from page 34 and 35 of Deceived

Here flings crowd of people and moves transport he rode in with the Force.

When the crowd did not respond to his demand, he slammed a fit into his palm and let anger-fueled power explode outward from his body. Screams sounded as the blast shoved everything away from him in all directions.
Bodies flew backward, slammed into one another, into the walls, against and through windows. The transport he'd rode in on lurched from the blast. The doors of the medical facility flew from their mounts and crashed to the ground.

Taken from page 36 of Deceived.

Malgus is also very fast he has displayed amazing speed.

Malgus, nested deeply in the Force, perceived the dozens of bolts and their trajectory with perfect clarity. Without breaking stride he whipped his blade left, right, angled it ten degrees, and turned three bolts back on the soldiers who'd fired them, killing all three.

-Taken from page 24 of Deceived

Here Malgus shows that he can move his lightsaber so fast it looks as if he has a shield.

His Force-enhanced reflexes moved faster than their trigger fingers. Without slowing his pace, he pulled his lightsaber into his hand and activated it as he blasters discharged. The red line of his weapon spun so fast in his hand it expanded into a shield.
Two of the blaster shots ricocheted off his weapon and into the ceiling. He deflected the other four back at the troopers, putting black holes through two chests and two face masks. Another two strides and a lunge brought him upon the surviving two troopers before they could fire again. He crosscut, spun, and crosscut again, killing both.

-Taken from page 224 of Deceived.


I don't have them as of now, but I could post scans of Vader replicating just about all of those feats. As you said, Malgus's Force powers are not on Vader's level. 
 

I think Malgus could win this if he plays his chips right he has an edge, since he has Force Lighting that could spell Lethal for Vader.

Your main argument seems to be that Malgus's Force Lightning gives him a winning edge. As I've said though, Vader has a great defense with the combination of the Force and his lightsaber. Malgus's lightning shouldn't be effecting Vader anytime soon. And if it did, I don't believe his lightning would be powerful enough to put Vader out for the count.
#11 Posted by Fetts (4405 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011: Bump?
#12 Posted by ShootingNova (15499 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fetts: @dccomicsrule2011: Not to interpose myself into this debate, but the feat of defeating a few random Jedi and Zallow isn't worth much (if anything) since they are all featless (Zallow has slain a few nameless Sith and repelled Adraas's assault, but it should be noted Adraas isn't anything special either).

#13 Posted by Fetts (4405 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011: Do you want me to start the voting or are you still in this?
#14 Posted by dccomicsrule2011 (23171 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fetts: I'm very sorry for the wait In forgot all about this thread you can start the voting if you like.

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#15 Edited by Fetts (4405 posts) - - Show Bio
@dccomicsrule2011: Ok that's fine. 
 
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We need votes!
#16 Posted by Floopay (8598 posts) - - Show Bio

@dccomicsrule2011: @Fetts:

Already read through this one, wasn't sure if it was ready for voting yet. I go with Vader. As shown, he has almost every advantage here. Malgus COULD win, but I think Fetts has shown that Vader SHOULD win.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#17 Posted by Wolfrazer (6028 posts) - - Show Bio

Fetts really.

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#18 Posted by Esquire (3832 posts) - - Show Bio

Floopay sums it up nicely. Vader's advantages are much more numerous than Malgus'.