@undinehuntertitan:
You didn't. I just affirmed that you won't be able to deny it in the future. And its not fair comparing pure energy to physical attacks either isn't it? Which seems more powerful, a rasenshuriken or a thermobaric bomb? It wasn't exactly chains either, metal bracings actually. And its simple really. Cole's basic attacks can shatter metal too just like Alex. Simple as that.
I'm not necessarily comparing the forms of attacks, i'm comparing who has demonstrated more with their attacks, which goes to Alex. I know Cole's attacks can shatter metal, but doing so would use up even a small portion of his energy, where as Alex can simply punch and it doesn't affect anything. In other words, it's more efficient for Alex.
It was pure energy. It could at least damage Alex if it can do that, since most mutants can do that much damage. Alex is knocked away and damaged quite significantly by tank shells. What are you saying?
I'm saying that since Alex can take tank shells, he can take Cole's "air-ship metal busting" attacks too. If armored Alex can nullify the damage of a tank shell almost completely, then what good is knocking him back going to do? For example, I can shove someone over, but that doesn't mean they'll be hurt? No.
nder no circumstances have I ever seen a creature nullify electricity unless its an electric eel or jellyfish. And Alex isn't them. Alex is still mostly biomass inside. His outer layer is a fast regenerating body that quickly uses up his biomass inside if he takes too much damage. He has enough density, or hard enough outer layer to lower the effectiveness of explosion but he still takes damage from it. It doesn't nullify the damage of tank shells, and one shot is damaging.
Why are you comparing fictional characters to real life creatures? They obviously won't possess the same attributes, considering it's fiction and doesn't always make sense. You're trying to factor science into fictional battles too much.
Alex's armor does nullify the damage of tank shells, it nullifies the damage of everything in fact. That's what the armor's sole purpose is, to reduce the damage that Alex would normally take. You know, like actual armor.
(Wiki Descriptions):
The Armor is the second defensive power of Alex Mercer. While in this form, he takes less damage, but the added density results in loss of movement speed and overall agility.
The Armor provides an alternative to the Shield. Unlike the Shield, which completely negates minor frontal damage at the cost of having a temporarily finite ability to absorb punishment, the Armor significantly reduces all-round damage taken by Alex without losing effectiveness.
Even though it cannot deflect stray bullets like the shield, it is still ideal for close combat, allowing Alex to go toe to toe with the strongest foes without quickly succumbing to large amounts of damage. Conversely, running from a fight is somewhat more difficult, and Alex's ability to dodge attacks is hampered.
The only weaknesses of the armor is the reduced mobility, but that's it. All in all it reduces damage altogether.
Its the current that counts. Don't you know that's what kills people when they electrify? Not the voltage. Well usually the voltage is an important factor but if the wattage is large enough it can kill people even with low energy. And if you can control the path of where electricity goes, Cole's lightning never gets attracted to metal, then I'm sure there is FORCE inside that.
The thing is, Alex isn't a regular person, he doesn't have the same vulnerabilities. In fact, the only thing human about him is his physical appearance, but that's only because the virus consumed his body. So the effect that electricity has on people doesn't apply to him at all.
You need to prove that Cole has force behind his basic attacks that equate to hurting Alex. You've just been going by the scientific conjecture and assumptions that Cole's electrical properties can harm Alex, without actually proving anything.
I have proven that Alex can kill Cole with a single punch, because in terms of Cole's durability. This is the losing factor going for him here, he lacks the ability to tank any of Mercer's attacks as well as dealing the damage to truly harm Alex either. All that Alex has to do is get close, and that is end-game for Cole there.
I won't stick too much to that paragraph. Regardless, you continuously deny Cole's voltage which have enough power to power up black out areas. There's a video of that somewhere in this reply.
There's a difference between Cole powering up areas with no electricity, and actually damaging opponents. He is able to power up substations because well, he is electrokinetic.
That doesn't apply to damaging opponents, because he needs force behind the attacks in order to harm them. He doesn't need to have force in order to power something up, because that would most likely destroy the substation.
You are in the wrong there actually. Even if John used the city buster attack, all it would've done is power up Cole due to its effects on conduits. Even with its attacks it was unable to beat Cole. Not the gravity hole, not the giant meteoric fireballs, none. John was going all out because he was about to be killed again, and from his belief, the rest of mankind will also die. Who wouldn't go out against a guy with the weapon to kill you? The moment you went with Zeke and Nix, John considered Cole an enemy to be killed since he's the only one who can.
John specifically stated that he was berserk in the first fight with him, and Cole at the end > Cole at the beginning. The Beast was quite clearly stated to be trying to eliminate threats. Do you really think that an agonized, insane being that is trying to eliminate threats to itself would hold back? And in the good ending, Cole was trying to kill him, there’s no way that he’d be holding back.
Wow, okay. There's so many flaws in this statement I don't know where exactly to begin:
- Cole isn't taking a city-buster from John at all. In the first encounter with the Beast, Cole was near-death after John hit him with two small Ray Field Blasts that leveled nothing more than a fraction of a dock:
(2:46 - 3:06)
- John never used a Gravity Vortex on Cole, he only manipulated the Gravity around him in order to keep him up in the air.
- Cole was near-death after the small Ray Field Blasts from John (the meteoric fire-balls), so I don't know why you're assuming he wasn't hurt.
- John wasn't going all-out at all, Cole wouldn't have the power to kill him either.
- Cole could never kill John by himself, he needed the RFI to do that.
- John was berserk yes, but that doesn't mean he was going all out. If he was berserk he wouldn't know how to think straight. When Cole fell into the water and then left Empire City. John leveled the city in a second with one attack. He clearly didn't go all out against Cole, because Cole would have never won if he did.
Ehem... To the second part.
And specific energy only supposed to harm John? Sounds like a loophole. Well, that's quite god and all but that would mean Alex will have to interact with attacks from a different level. A different source of energy that he has no idea of. That would mean he's even more vulnerable to Cole's attacks.
How is it a loophole? The Ray Sphere is what atomized John from the start, and that's where Cole's energy comes from. It's not a different level of energy, it's just different. It was specifically designed to hurt John, not Alex. It doesn't mean he's vulnerable to Cole's attacks at all. You can't go by the "Cole's attacks can hurt the Beast so that means that they can hurt Alex" logic, because those attacks were coming from the energy that atomized John from the start.
So you either have:
John was weak to Ray Sphere Energy. But in turn this foreign energy is something that isn't normal, thus Alex is more suspectible to it. Its not just electricity anymore, its Ray Sphere Energy that Alex never interacted with
Or
John wasn't weak to Cole's attacks but still beaten. And Alex would be electrocuted just like him due to the fact that Cole has high voltage. Personally this one is more sensible
Either way you placed yourself on quite a situation. How will Alex handle Ray Sphere energy that he never interacted before when he's mostly biomass? If you're going to say he'll shrug it off due to it not having enough power, I advise you to rethink what Ray Sphere energy really is. Its not tailored to deal damage to conduits, otherwise you wouldn't be beating enemy soldiers.
Don't say Ray Sphere Energy is only effective against conduits either. Either way this will affect Alex. One bolt will still be enough to send him into a combo of zappity zap zap in whichever scenario you go.
The Ray Sphere energy is only really effective against Conduits though. It's where their powers come from, they can hurt one another with the energy. Alex is not a conduit, so they won't have the same effect at all. It's like trying to kill Cole with the Blood-Tox Gas, it's useless against him because he is not virus like Alex, the same applies to my case.
Cole's attacks still don't possess enough power to harm Alex, only his Ionic Storm & Vortex will be the main effect here. Even then Alex would just kill, consume, and then come for Cole fully restored. Cole cannot put him down for good, and that's what is required to win the fight against Alex. If he had a nuke's radius and destructive force, then he could win, but only then.
So, it killed him... And he regenerated atom from atom. Then he became the apparition of Ray Sphere itself. I don't know where exactly where you're coming on with this but this looks like a theory. Either way, Cole's powers do not revolve entirely on the Ray Sphere. His story revolved around it, but not his powers which he further developed. He only used the Ray Sphere once, and when he destroyed it, it tore up everything in the dock. And John became the Ray Sphere (if you look at it the certain way). And besides, if Ray Sphere energy was his weakness then why isn't he killing himself everytime he city busts or even shows any signs of struggle with the energy? Either way this is a theory you thought up just like me on my earlier posts. We can't exactly prove this is true. The same as you say with my terawatt lightning bolts feat when its reasonable.
So will you be using that excuse for when I powerscale Cole's level? Thus turning him into a 'they are only strong against each other' scenario?
Either way, didn't you know that lightning bolts kill people in one hit if it strikes them on the head due to the current passing throughout their body? Anyway, your theory here isn't really perfect. Besides, John is made out of those energy and like any other conduit evolved. Saying Cole can only damage John because his powers can, doesn't really make sense when he's taking down behemoths and military
A perfect freeze route would be good, followed by a lightning storm. Ehem, I'm getting off topic.
Cole can damage John was his power-set can. His attacks still harm military and other beings, but not to the same effect. Also, he could only hurt Bertrand by attacking his weak spots. He couldn't even kill him on his own, he needed a lot of prep time, the entire rebel force, Nix and Kuo.
Alex took down Elizabeth Greene by himself, in a random encounter. So that goes to show a lot.
Yes, but the jolt is what he needs. He has enough energy to power up a train by standing on it and cook off gasoline and gunpowder while standing still
Like I said, powering something is different than damaging it.
4:50. I'm not saying his melee attacks is a good idea. But at least the Gigawatt blades even moreso due to its cutting properties and how it electrifies people
"How it electrifies people". That doesn't apply to Alex.
I mean, would you run away from someone about to shoot an rpg right in front of them? Or try to rush and hit them at the very high risk of getting hit? An electric one too.
Ah, okay. Alex would rush towards Cole, then Cole would fire the rocket at him. Alex would jump out of the way, lunge for Cole, and then kick him.
I grow tired of this.
4:47. In half a second a burst of that shot out. Bolt Stream shot out around 5-6 bolts, at a fast speed and a good range.
Look, why are you making a scenario where I have to show that? The fastest enemy in Cole is Kessler, and he moves nigh high faster than Alex can ever. The Ice Men jumping around, even without precision I can effectively hit them midair with bolts. Though they refuse to follow logic and fall when that happens.
What I'm saying is you're making me prove something that is near impossible with your need for evidence. All of Cole's enemies are either too slow, or pure on teleporters which you disregard. There is no middle ground, and Alex's speed is in the middle. Until the arrival of this
Precision. Alex isn't hypersonic speed. He's fast, but really precision is the perfect ability to hit him. It slows down everything around you and shoots out a hypersonic++ bolt which hits the enemy in a quarter of a second, which is from your perspective meaning its even faster.
In that video his bolts looked a lot slower than bullets. Like I said, tagging teleporters doesn't mean anything because teleportation has nothing to do with your speed.
Precision still isn't enough to allow Cole to tag Alex. I know you can't provide the proof, but since you can't, we can't assume things. Cole needs to have a mere scrape of evidence that suggests he can tag someone of Alex's caliber. Since he hasn't demonstrated to contend with that speed, one cannot assume he can.
0:30 . I can tell the precision wasn't well handled by the player. But if you seriously think that the bolt of precision won't target Alex, then I recommend you watch it again. There is no visible changes that could indicate Cole is using precision to the enemies, so Alex won't know when to expect it either. If Alex keeps on moving, he'll get hit if Cole suddenly starts shooting at the path he's heading to then towards him.
I see your point on Cole shooting ahead of where Alex is going to run to. Even if it hits him, he isn't getting a pinpoint head shot and if he did it wouldn't harm Alex the way it does humans.
8:06 Alex does not move as fast as those bolts and he can dodge some of them, but Cole can quickly adjust where he's shooting out. That allows him to shoot them in bursts that can strike Alex if he's heading to a predictable path. Keeping on moving around? Yeah he's gonna get predictable. And if he dodges, rolls or jumps up, his speed slows down unless he air dashes. Which can leave him helpless to some shockwaves that electrocute enemies
Why do you insist with that? Cole's attack speed outpaces everyone in the game until they start jumping. And that mainly stems from the player control problem.
Cole isn't pointing straight and shooting straight like a gun. He can point at different spots and launch out different attacks at different angles at what he's pointing. Alex can't just sidestep them (not that he will, he's probably gonna try to dodge them) since they attack in various positions. Seriously, Cole has enough voltage to electrify cars and destroy them in a few hits and power up power grids. If there's any loophole here its you with the not enough voltage to harm Alex one.
Those bolts weren't fast at all, not even proper bullet speed. Alex would have no trouble avoiding those. I can't believe you think that Alex would have trouble outpacing them, when he can run as fast as this:
Cole has nowhere near the accuracy to tag Alex when he is running, even with precision. He cannot pinpoint a target moving that fast. Alex isn't going to be running around pointlessly in circles either, he has enough distance from the starting point (Opposite ends of that street is more than enough to achieve a five second acceleration) to reach his top speed.
Once he does, he'll be going so fast Cole won't be able to stop him, Alex would bumrush Cole, grab him and Cole wouldn't be able to get out of his grip. Or just use him as a rag-doll, caving Cole's skull into the road and what not.
Cole is not fast enough to adjust where he is aiming to either before Alex gets to him. Alex's movement is unpredictable to Cole, and Cole isn't going cop his movements in mid-fight either.
This argument can go on forever, but you're lacking in the feats and back up for your claims of how Cole is going to tag Alex, where as I have the feats and backup as to why Alex is too fast for Cole to tag. Since it's impossible for you to provide feats for your case, it's nothing more than speculation.
At first he might think of using a gun. I already said rushing in straight at Cole is going to get him a shockwave, a vortex, a point blank rocket, or a rain of bolt streams. Either of those. Not going to be good. And Alex needs to be running straight towards the same direction for five seconds before he can become faster. And what's stopping Cole from summoning the storm at where he thinks Alex is going to happen?
Running into Cole isn't a problem unless he uses a Vortex, but that's it.
A Shockwave? Alex is too heavy to knock off his feet (especially when sprinting) seeming how Cole's shockwaves fail to knock over even remotely large opponents (The Ice-Soldiers who can create Ice-Towers beneath themselves.
A PB Rocket? May knock Alex off his feet, but he'd get back up the second after he was hit, then grab Cole.
A Rain of Bolt Streams? Blocked by his shield, or simply avoided.
Nothing is stopping Cole from unleashing a lightning storm to where he thinks Alex is going to be, but then what's stopping Alex from running somewhere else to reach his top speed, and then run back around to Cole, while he's at his top speed? He doesn't always need to be close to him. Alex could gain a distance where Cole can't sense him, run up a building and then use the Blade to air-slice Cole from afar.
You know, why won't you prevent me from using logic in this? Ice melts so its natural to produce water. Are you really going to say that he just creates ice and then they vanish from thin air despite looking like they're melting? Logic please.
Too bad, fiction defies logic by definition. Cole's Ice Attacks produce absolutely no water, so why are you making false assumptions? They never happened. It's like me saying why can't Alex form giant wings out of his biomass?
It kinda does. Especially when you're technically naked without leather clothing to protect you like the Vemaak and the First Sons.
No it doesn't. But nonetheless, you act as if Alex is going to stand in a puddle for some reason.
I'm aiming for the scenario he accidentally steps on it due to dodging, and Cole using precision to hit the puddle. That would be quite shocking.
Cole isn't nearly fast enough to use precision, hit the puddle before Alex leaves the puddle in no longer than a second.
No, he has to try at least. Even in the battle against Heller
Sure he casually jumps high. But he has to have a short charge up in order to do so. And doing that can leave him vulnerable to a stream of bolts. No matter how short the delay, the spam of bolt streams aimed at him will stun him. No need for Precison. Heck a shockwave would do.
Heller exceeded Mercer in every way, of course he had to try against him.
He doesn't have to charge to make a high jump either, he can casually jump higher than Cole's Ice Launch. In the following video, he jumps many times and all except maybe his first jump (it would be just as high) are higher than the Ice Launch.
(0:12 - 0:24)
Yes and its melee. While Cole is far ranged and scatters electricity.
True, but it is still more effective than his burst. Alex cannot shoot any raw projectiles, so I have to compare the effectiveness of their abilities.
And why would Cole catch that instead of throwing a shockwave or an electric tornado at Alex's face? Why would Cole be dumb enough to NOT shoot that car and turn it into a bomb that will hurt Alex.
Cole can't catch it for one thing, he can only deflect it. Which would give Alex time to use the second car to kill Cole. He could only keep Alex away if he launched an Ionic Vortex, but that's it.
Actually no, it won't hurt Alex if Cole explodes the car. Alex has been inside tanks while they explode, and it came out unscathed:
(1:31 - 1:36)
(Before you say his health was affected, check before he was in the tank. His health was already affected before hand, and it wasn't affected at all when the tank blew up).
That's wrong. (Btw, double supersonic reaction is around hypersonic. And I'm sure its a natural reaction for people to run away when they see a tank or move to a position where they won't get hit by a tank shell if its hunting them down before running away)
Your reactions only have to be 344 m/s (less than half as fast as a sniper-bullet) to be considered super-sonic. Alex is at least double this. Even if he wasn't double super-sonic, he is at least super-sonic+.
http://outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/supersonic
And what's saying that Alex is faster than Cole's attacks. Maybe they're the same in speed. Have you thought of that? There's also the fact that Cole's attacks can be shot off one after another at different directions, and the bolt streams home in on enemies if close enough.
2:00 They don't fire in one direction. You're clinging with the fact that Cole will continuously shoot in one direction when each shot, he gets closer on hitting Alex. Its not like guns where you fire at a direction then move the barell, which in turn the bullets hit where you're pointing. Its where bolts can be shot off at different points, left to right, then up and down. Kinda like a gun, but faster in terms of aiming. You still haven't told me how Alex is going to accurately figure out where Cole is pointing with his arm
Yes. But with a quick slow down of precision, Cole will figure out what direction Alex is heading. Then he can cancel precision and spam attacks there. Alex won't be expecting that either.
Alex doesn't need to be faster than Cole's attacks, but he is fast enough to be too fast for Cole to get a pin-point shot at, even with precision.
I know that Cole can switch directions but it's a very slim chance that he will get a shot on Alex if he switches, as it would be a speculative aim. He can't pin-point a decent shot, and randomly spamming bolts is going to do nothing to Alex.
Oh *facepalm* We're talking about two different things. I was pointing at striking strength. You're pointing at destructive capacity, which will include devastators and others. Misunderstanding. My apologies for not being clear
No worries. At least we cleared that up.
While heading towards a linear path.
That's the requirement for his 'acceleration'. Not as in straight in one direction, but at least a linear path. Sure he has mobility, but I don't see him backflipping over rockets while carrying a truck. I respect his speed, but if he keeps running on One Direction, then he's about to be hit with much more accuracy
I know that, but like I said he can simply run off to somewhere Cole can't get him. And then run back, at his top speed. While at his fastest Cole isn't handling him at all, he'll be missing every shot and Alex could blitz him if he isn't careful. It only takes him five seconds to reach his top speed anyway, so it's really nothing to worry about.
You can't see him twisting around and moving at the same speed. Of course running like that would leave him open to Cole's rockets, specifically the homing type, or the shockwaves and vortexes. Which will then, he's either hit, or you make him dodge which in turn slows him down and leaves Cole still able to attack. It is not advisable for him to pick up vehicles due to the fact that they can be turned to explosives by Cole due to their large size.
I explained most of this in my previous statements. As for the vehicles, I countered this as well. Alex wouldn't be hurt as he has been inside exploding tanks, and received no damage.
Alex can be knocked down by explosions and blunt fists. Sure he gets back up fast, but by then he's being shot by a constant stream of bolts that will overload his nervous system since he still has a brain.
His brain regenerates just like any other part of him. He is shot in the head by bullets and his brain has never malfunctioned or anything.The only time it was, is when he was reminded of Penn Station (where the virus consumed him):
(4:51 - 4:56) You can clearly see Alex getting shot rapidly in the head, to no avail:
Why exactly? The first thing that will come to his mind is "Holy shit how can he do-wait, that's a perfectly explosive big target right there". The closest to get the fuck out of there is moving to a better position. And even then he can still spam bolts now and then while running
Countered above.
Precision isn't an ability that allows him to stop time and see where bullets are in midair. It slows down time to the point that you can see bullets travelling, allowing you to roll away from them.
Do you want me to show you a picture of him with bullets frozen in midair? That I can't grant you. A video of him using it, yes. But not a video where you see bullets.
Well if you can't see the bullets then how can you assume he can see them moving? If you can, moving to the point where he could shoot them while they're moving?
Look since you have infamous why don't you just pop in any of the disc and see what happens if you aim precision at the enemies shooting at you. Never mind that. I read what you said below. If you won't do that though, that would be like if I didn't watch all the videos you showed me. At least give it a try...
I'm still searching for a video online..
Give what a try? I've watched every video you've presented me, and I have my own knowledge of Cole from playing both Infamous 1, and 2, on both Karma settings. I've debated for Cole on other CAVs twice before, so I know how fast he can tag. And from my knowledge, his attacks have never been fast enough to tag anyone even slightly below Alex's speed.
I need evidence before I can consider something.
Oh why I have no clue. Maybe at the first part of the game? You know, before he was weakened? And since this is technically pre-end Cole, he was flying around shooting off energy after just getting overloaded. Oh yeah and the Karmic overload
If you mean he fed off The Beast's energy source on the beginning of the game, that is clearly wrong. Then why wasn't that happening in the later game? The Beast had control of its own power and can amplify those who he wish. Not passively everyone around.
He fed off of John's power because Ray Sphere energy is drawn to a Conduit. Since John is an unlimited source of RF energy, there's no wonder how Cole didn't need to recharge. John had no control over himself at the first battle, so he wasn't aware who he was supplying energy to.
Even if Cole did evolve to not needing to drain electricity anymore, that isn't the case here.
Lack of wind calculation, sway of helicopter. But that's not the point anymore, I won't even argue against it. Cole's attacks are faster than bullets anyway.
None of that was stated or implied so that is mere speculation. Alex is faster than bullets too, and has proven himself fast enough to dodge attacks at Cole's attack speed.
They have enough energy to power up substations. One bolt will lock up Alex due to him having a brain, and nervous tissues. He'd still have his organs otherwise how in the world is he talking?
Both of these points were countered. Powering something is different to damaging it. Alex may have a brain but it regenerates itself like every other part of his body that receives damage.
13:35
Clearly Cole has control over how much energy he puts into his shots. Since there are variation of his bolts. That would apply to the amount of volts too.
Stop saying that. Cole's bolts are enough to set a whole car filled with electricity and have enough voltage to kill everyone on a small area in the water.
Sure it can destroy a car, something that Alex can take like nothing. It kills people in water because water is a conductor of electricity, it has nothing to do with the power of Cole's attacks. Throw a television set into a bathtub while you're in it, and you'll be fried.
Running at a linear path. He can be either predictable for a moment and become fast, but one bolt will be enough to cancel that. As I said, if the bolt has enough energy to shatter metal of aircraft carrier ships, then it should have enough voltage to do that to human skin. Biomass will never be able to block electricity, only hamper it.
Now that is smarter, running from a distance. But that's also stupid. Why would Alex, a close combat fighter run away from a ranged fighter? He could get tagged on his way and leave Cole to recharge, and the only reasons I see him doing it is to consume. Cole can still knock Alex back with shockwaves and rockets. The moment Alex dodges, he slows down. The moment he lunges at cole, his point blank shockwaves become more accurate and direct. Enemies are clearly caught in some sort of graviational field whenever they're hit by the shockwave, so Alex won't be air dashing at all.
If Alex needed to consume, then that gives him a reasons to run off and back again. Alex won't be affected by a shockwave as he is too heavy, a rocket would blow him back but they wouldn't harm him.
Also, once Alex is on a vortex, what exactly is stopping Cole from raining sticky rockets on him, especially with him being knocked around by the electric tornado?
- Alex running towards Cole with a vehicle would make him want to dodge Alex rather than confront him. It would be a bad idea as Alex could simply hurl the truck into Cole's face after he got close enough. I know Cole can destroy the truck, but it won't hurt Alex. He has been inside tanks while they blow up, and come out fine.
Explosions knock around Alex. And vehicles conduct electricity. No he does not come out of them fine. He takes damage. I had enough experience trying to fly my way out of the city when that happens. He does not come out unharmed. Besides, its almost a natural thing for Cole to stun an enemy when they try to get close with either bolts, sticky grenades, or shockwaves. What you're saying is not how Cole thinks.
IIRC, Cole cannot cause any further damage to an enemy whilst they're caught in the Vortex. Even so, he does not the accuracy to hit Alex whilst he's in a tornado, considering the speed that he'd be going at. Not to mention, the Vortex only lasts six seconds and is enough for Alex to recover from.
I've countered the second point already.
Point blank shockwaves. I already said it was enough to counter Alex due to its large range and fast speed. Alex isn't heavy as a tank, otherwise he would never had the ability to airdash and glide. And you're denying those effects when Alex is closer to a natural human than you think. You're also creating loopholes with the Ray Sphere energy harming John and such.
I already said Cole can alter with what attacks he use. Surprising Alex with suddenly a long distance bolt instead of those three pincer bolts. Precision will slow down Alex enough. He's still fast as in running speed, but he can't just cancel out his momentum to turn a different direction, he'll be hit by a precision bolt mid dodge. And FYI, when you can just slow down your mind's perspection of time, I really doubt shooting electric bolts need energy
The Shockwaves are still too light to be able to push back Alex. It's fiction, it doesn't make sense. Hulk is heavier than a tank yet he is able to leap at incredible speeds. Same applies to Alex. I'm not denying anything, Alex isn't human apart from his appearance, and his ability to think and talk, but that's it. The Ray Sphere energy hurting John isn't a loophole, it is the very source of energy that almost destroyed John in the first place. It allows Conduits to affect each other greatly, because their power comes from the same source.
Sure he can surprise him but it won't affect him. I keep hearing the same "precision will allow Cole to tag Alex" argument, but it's lacking in evidence for considerations, which is needed for the argument to be valid. That last sentence is pure conjecture.
He can only tag Alex with the storm is he's heading towards him at a predictable path, or stunned or frozen. That's all really. With its fast calldown. Its a given unless Alex is jumping around, and then the sticky rockets would be the goal here. By the way, tried out the redirect rockets, they move a bit slower than regular rockets, but the moment you redirect them, they go four times as fast.
Ah, I see now. Even if the Redirect rockets manage to tag Alex, they'll only knock him flying.
Ray Sphere Energy is a foreign energy. If you say its only supposed to be effective against conduits then something is wrong. Alex isn't exactly out of weak spots when his entire body is naked to the skin. The only things that should be nullifuying the electric bolts are either the shield or armor. And with shield you can just get around it via pincer bolt and sticky rockets or shockwaves. With the armor, Alex still gets knocked around by rockets and without his dodging manuevers he's much more predictable.
I've explained why the effect of the Ray Sphere energy that it had on John only applies to Conduits. Alex's body isn't naked either, it is insanely durable. It's enough to prevent the electricity from harming him, and especially considering that the attacks are lacking force. The Shield isn't getting blown off, it's attatched to Alex's biomass. It would take several rockets to break it, Pincer Bolts won't cut it.
As for the reduced mobility while in the armor, it doesn't matter if he's knocked around or not. What is that meant to prove when the armor nullified most of the damage?
He can still strafe-jump and what not, the only abilities that are nerfed are his dodge-roll, his gliding and a portion of his speed, but that's it. It's not nearly as nerfed as it sounds.
You say I'm creating loopholes, when you are also doing the same. Recently with The Beast. Then again you can also describe creating loopholes as figuring out the logic behind something. Its a natural thing really. For us to feel threatened when we are losing. I know we both have that feeling right now on this debate.
Fair enough, but I guess you can see where i'm coming from with the Beast argument.
In advance if I began to get offensive then I apologize. Passion can do that to a gamer.. But I still stand with Cole.
No worries, I took no offence at all. I also apologize if you felt I was being unreasonable at any point.
I already submitted to Alex being as fast as bullets. But my argument of Cole shooting bolts at where he thinks Alex is there. Counter it if you will.
I concede to this, but Cole will have to get a pin-point shot at Alex in order for it to have an effect. He can't do that though.
Your Beast only harmed by Ray Sphere Energy will not exactly be a good idea since that makes Cole deadlier to non-humans due to his strange energy, and his voltage is still there. Please don't deny Cole of his rightful voltage which was enough to power up generators. They are bound to affect Alex due to the wattage and volts.
- It's just different energy, nothing more. It would be like the Blood-Tox gas trying to poison Cole, it was specifically made to hurt Alex and other beings that are infected with the Blacklight virus. It would be useless against Cole, as it doesn't have the properties to hurt him.
- I never denied the ability to power up sub-stations, but there's a difference between powering something up and destroying/damaging it.
Once you remove gameplay mechanics, then every enemy that Cole hits in the head will be fried simply due to its current travelling through their everything. Alex won't be an exception and Cole will have enough volts and bolts to get through his body
That's because Cole's enemies are mostly just genetically modified humans, or regular soldiers. Alex's brain functions the same, but it doesn't have the same vulnerabilities. So he will be an exception.
Also, I realized debating in this style is not my thing. I rather prefer the quick swift replies in threads. That at least leaves me time to write up fics
I understand.
Anyway, I feel at this rate we're just repeating ourselves with really nothing interesting left to debate. I feel it may be best to end the debate, and get onto the voting. But first I need clarification from you on whether we should end it or not.
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