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#1 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

  • No Morals
  • Random Encounter
  • Standard Gear
  • No Prep
  • Fight Takes Place Here

#2 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

o start things off. I will begin with some of Thor's feats.

Strength/Striking

  1. Thor moving island easily
  2. Thor knocking Odin to his knees
  3. Thor hitting Exitar's amour so hard that it puts a hole through his amour, and shakes the whole planet
  4. Thor, and Beta Ray Bill lifting Asgard
  5. Thor hitting Nul into space ( Amped up Hulk, with Mjolnir hammer )
  6. One-shotting Angrier ( Amped up Thing with Mjolnir hammer )
  7. Thor dents pure admantium
  8. Beta Ray Bill, Thor's equal ( Slightly weaker ) Destroys a planet

Durability

  1. Tanks a blast from the Dark Avengers & UFO's
  2. Tanks planet exsplosion
  3. Tanked blast from Silver Surfer while weakened by World Tree
  4. Survies being eaten at by killer flies by Glory, and being crushed
  5. No harm being in the sun
  6. Tanks being phased through by Vison's arm
  7. Tanks an exsplosion, while he was alread uncouncious
  8. A blow that would shatter a diamond from Rogue makes Thor blink

Abilites/Powers

  1. Made a storm in Asgard that reached all the way too Earth
  2. Has Anti-Blast that is as powerful as a star
  3. God Blast can hurt Galactus, destroy Celestials dome, and push back Classic Juggernaut
  4. Absorb, and ridirect attacks 10x more powerful or 100x
  5. Transmution
  6. Molecure Manipulation
  7. Control over the Earth
  8. Teleport
  9. Control any sort of weather
  10. Make tidal waves
  11. Produce AOE attacks
  12. Put his whole body in electricity
  13. Make powerful winds, and tornadoes
  14. Block at planet decimating blasts with his storms
  15. Heat & cold resistant

TravelSpeed/ReactionSpeed

  1. Fly from earth to sun in a matter of seconds to throw Sentry's dead corpse into the sun
  2. Said by himself, and Hela to be as fast as the lightning he commands
  3. Reacted to Phoenix Jean Grey who shot a blast at him from behind, just about to hit him, and he turns around and counters it
  4. Catches the Wreckers crowbar just inches away from his head
  5. Saves Rulk before he drops in blackhole
  6. Flew 3 times speed of light
  7. AVX confirmed Mjolnir can move twice the speed of light ( In space it has moved 3 times the speed of light )
  8. Took out a group of eniemes members by telling Mjolnir to do it

My turn is done. Your turn !

#3 Posted by ScottishWarlord (155 posts) - - Show Bio

BUMP

#4 Edited by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath:

Feats for Hal Jordan:

Hurting and drawing Blood from Superman

Vaporizing a member of the Sinestro corps in one blast

Taking down thugs (no ring)

Here's a chainsaw (just saying)

Battling and taking a punch From Wonder Woman

Gets up and still fights after Darkseid breaks his arm

Sinestro defeating Sinestro corps lantern member

Hal frying Black Hand's brain

Hal and Sinestro Flamethrowers

Sinestro knowing secrets about the ring most Lanterns don't know about

Sinestro creating 100 functional rings at one time.

Your turn.

#5 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL: This is going to be fun, haha.

Thor's physical strength is going to be a tremondous problem for the Lanterns. It will be too much for them to overcome. You basically proved my point twice. I even have scans to show how weak Lanterns constructs can be to beings with crazy physical strength.

Here Wonder Woman is taking out not only Hal's shields, but easily blooding him without even trying. It basically looks like Hal was nothing but a nuisance at best.

Superman destroying constructs

Again, but casually.

Hal is not going to be able to shield from Thor's blows, seeing as Wonder Woman easily destroyed his. Thor with Mjolnir hits harder than Wonder Woman, and even Superman. Thor with Mjolnir, and bloodlusted can hit a Celestial with so much force that the blow puts a hole in a Celestials amour, and shakes the entire planet.

Seeing from past encounters. A blow like that wouldn't only destroy Hal's contstructs, but kill him. This is what a morals off Thor is capable of. We have seen Hal's constructs destroyed time, and time again. Alone he would get destroy by Thor, but with Sinestro they will put up a good fight, but nevertheless lose to the thunder god. Hal has put the hurting on Mongul, but face it. Mongul's durability is not that impressive. He only beats his opponents through brute strength, but once they try to utilize there speed, and skill he loses. His durability is nothing special either for a character of his level. Mongul was taken out by Wally. To my knowledge it wasn't even an IMP or Speed Steal, but correct me if i'm wrong. Just punches from Wally. That's not too impressive. So, Hal doing that to Mongul is not too impressive.

Sinestro on the other hand might be more troublesome to Thor. Only because of his superior durability. From what iv'e seen Sinestro seems to be the more durable of the two. Hal may be a little more skilled, but Sinestro beats him in durability. He does take a beating from Hal a lot of times. To be honest Sinestro won't last any longer than Hal. Doesn't matter who dies first. I'm even wondering how they will hurt Thor enough to put him down, maybe with a combined attack, but Thor has tanked things like this.

Tanking a planet explosion, while still standing on the planet

Or how about Thor's unconscious body survivng a planet destroying Doomsday Bomb

Or he can just simply drain all the Lanterns constucts, and blasts. Sending the attack back 10x more powerful

He has sent back a god with the power of 10 000 gods, and was as powerful as a pissed off Odin. So he basically redirected a Skyfather's blast, and killed him.

Your turn !

#6 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath:

Although Superman ans]d Wonder Woman broke his constructs doesn't mean Hal didn't get some good hits in.

Moves like these are going to hurt Thor.

Even in the New 52 Superman and Wonder Woman I'd say are faster than Thor, so Superman and WW's speed advantage will be gone here (Thor makes up for it in power, but GL's are also pretty powerful themselves).

If you see the scan where Superman takes Hal's ring Thor can't do that, and also in the fight with Superman speed was his main advantage which was later takem by the Flash (who though didn't have the power to battle Superman well, unlike Hal.)

Also I believe even New 52 Darkseid is more powerful than Thor, who Hal -although didn't do that well against- fought can got back up from his attacks.

#7 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath: Not to mention we are dealing with two of the most power GL's in the corps.

#8 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL:

These are some no name Lanterns. Nothing special about them. To be honest. New 52 Superman may be physically superior to Flashpoint, but he is a lot less durable. Flashpoint had him taking planets colliding, and supernovas, while New 52 has him getting hurt from far less. Although even if it was to hit Thor, I would say it's a lot harder to draw blood from Thor than Superman. Thor may even be more durable too.

Thor having Wonder Woman or Superman's speed wouldn't matter. It's not needed. I wasn't referring to Superman's speed in that scan either, I was referring to Hal's constructs. Darkseid has barely any feats. Thor is more powerful. At the time, the Justice league was just beggining, and they weren't as powerful. Hal didn't do good against Darkseid if that's what your saying. Darkseid broke Hal's arm with ease, something Thor would easily replicate.

Thor destroying secondary admantium Ultron

Dents pure adamantium

your turn

#9 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: Not to mention we are dealing with two of the most power GL's in the corps.

Not to mention we are dealing with arguably the strongest being on Marvel earth.

#10 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: Not to mention we are dealing with two of the most power GL's in the corps.

Not to mention we are dealing with arguably the strongest being on Marvel earth.

I agree, but that could be argued with SS (silver surfer)

Good point but technically I'd say supes has the same durability. I mean he took blasts from Darkseid (who I still think is more powerful than Thor), and Helspont.

#11 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: Not to mention we are dealing with two of the most power GL's in the corps.

Not to mention we are dealing with arguably the strongest being on Marvel earth.

I agree, but that could be argued with SS (silver surfer)

Good point but technically I'd say supes has the same durability. I mean he took blasts from Darkseid (who I still think is more powerful than Thor), and Helspont.

Silver Surfer is not on earth. Thor has tanked blasts from Thanos, who is superior to all of them.

#12 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath: Debatable but I agree....SS is on the earth sometimes, Thor is on Asgard a lot of the time too.

Anyways what do you mean speed doesn't matter........just saying though too, GL's can contain a supernova.

#13 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: Debatable but I agree....SS is on the earth sometimes, Thor is on Asgard a lot of the time too.

Anyways what do you mean speed doesn't matter........just saying though too, GL's can contain a supernova.

Surfer is mostly in space, and Thor on earth.

Thor has contained a galaxy destroying bomb.

#14 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath: I think GL's can absorb energy too....

#15 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: I think GL's can absorb energy too....

Not close to the level of Thor's. Thor has been shown to absorb many different types of energy, and no matter how powerful.

#16 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath: Can't Green Lanterns do that still though?

Hey this is actually a question I've been having so from greatest to least can you pleas list the following on who has the most powerful blast?

Silver Surfer

Hal Jordan

Thor (god blast)

Thanos

Galactus (hungry)

Darkseid (omega beams)

Thanos

Superman (heat vision)

#17 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: Can't Green Lanterns do that still though?

Hey this is actually a question I've been having so from greatest to least can you pleas list the following on who has the most powerful blast?

Silver Surfer

Hal Jordan

Thor (god blast)

Thanos

Galactus (hungry)

Darkseid (omega beams)

Thanos

Superman (heat vision)

Yes, but not close to as good as Thor's.

I would say

  1. Galactus
  2. Thanos
  3. Thor
  4. Silver Surfer
  5. Darkseid
  6. Superman
  7. Hal
#18 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7765 posts) - - Show Bio

the lantern team wud kill thor in the end and if they didnt kill him i bet u he wont dare mess with them again i guarentee that

#19 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath: Why is Hal last? his beams are very powerful, just asking?

@oceanmaster21: LOL, yeah maybe

#20 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath:

Clever Constructs

#21 Edited by AllStarSuperman (20358 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL: preflashpoint feats count so use some. Like Hal being able to kill a supergaurdian Krona

Also supes held the world for five days as much as that's a strenght feat it also takes incredible durability.

#22 Posted by 14NC3 (1744 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath:

  1. Flew 3 times speed of light
  1. AVX confirmed Mjolnir can move twice the speed of light ( In space it has moved 3 times the speed of light )

When did that happen in AVX? Could you send me a scan or just tell me which AVX comic it was in plz.

Can you do the same for the 3 times faster than light please

#23 Posted by Killemall (18326 posts) - - Show Bio

@14NC3 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath:

  1. Flew 3 times speed of light
  1. AVX confirmed Mjolnir can move twice the speed of light ( In space it has moved 3 times the speed of light )

When did that happen in AVX? Could you send me a scan or just tell me which AVX comic it was in plz.

Can you do the same for the 3 times faster than light please

Mjolnir can move twice the speed of light was during AvX vs (Thor vs Emma)

There are old scans of Thor flying three times the speed of light, some even better, it has however been retconned now and he can only fly at Mach 32 on normal space, and pretty much unbound speed once he enters hyperspace.

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#24 Posted by 14NC3 (1744 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall:

Thanks

#25 Posted by thanosii (1214 posts) - - Show Bio

thor totally wins this debate

#26 Posted by boschePG (2188 posts) - - Show Bio

its never been stated, which ring(rings?) does Sinestro and Hal have? Im assuming yellow for Sinestro and green for Hal

#27 Posted by oceanmaster21 (7765 posts) - - Show Bio

think about about it sinestro and and hal have faced worser ppl than thor plus i mean u got sinestron in there n that alone guarenttes the victory for the lantern team especial if its morals off

#28 Edited by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@oceanmaster21 said:

the lantern team wud kill thor in the end and if they didnt kill him i bet u he wont dare mess with them again i guarentee that

That's your opinion, but voting hasn't commenced yet.

@Clark_EL: Clever, but still won't do much. That is just what he can do.

#29 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@14NC3 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath:

  1. Flew 3 times speed of light
  1. AVX confirmed Mjolnir can move twice the speed of light ( In space it has moved 3 times the speed of light )

When did that happen in AVX? Could you send me a scan or just tell me which AVX comic it was in plz.

Can you do the same for the 3 times faster than light please

Mjolnir can move twice the speed of light was during AvX vs (Thor vs Emma)

There are old scans of Thor flying three times the speed of light, some even better, it has however been retconned now and he can only fly at Mach 32 on normal space, and pretty much unbound speed once he enters hyperspace.

When was Thor stated to only fly at mach 32?

#30 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@boschePG: no green for both but Hal has a regualr GL ring

#31 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@AllStarSuperman said:

@Clark_EL: preflashpoint feats count so use some. Like Hal being able to kill a supergaurdian Krona

Also supes held the world for five days as much as that's a strenght feat it also takes incredible durability.

Yeah, I'm going to get out the big guns in a second I just wanted to start with some lower feats....Yeah his durability is very high. I've actually heard people complaining to the people who write Superman saying he doesn't have any good durability feats with that new indestructible suit, so they had him temporarily take it off for H'el on earth for good durability feats.

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@oceanmaster21 said:

the lantern team wud kill thor in the end and if they didnt kill him i bet u he wont dare mess with them again i guarentee that

That's your opinion, but voting hasn't commenced yet.

@Clark_EL: Clever, but still won't do much. That is just what he can do.

So there is voting....I've never done this before.

I'm just showing the creativity so far, I'm going to pull out raw power feats from Pre-52. Also what type should Sinestro's ring be Green or Yellow?

#32 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@AllStarSuperman said:

@Clark_EL: preflashpoint feats count so use some. Like Hal being able to kill a supergaurdian Krona

Also supes held the world for five days as much as that's a strenght feat it also takes incredible durability.

Yeah, I'm going to get out the big guns in a second I just wanted to start with some lower feats....Yeah his durability is very high. I've actually heard people complaining to the people who write Superman saying he doesn't have any good durability feats with that new indestructible suit, so they had him temporarily take it off for H'el on earth for good durability feats.

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@oceanmaster21 said:

the lantern team wud kill thor in the end and if they didnt kill him i bet u he wont dare mess with them again i guarentee that

That's your opinion, but voting hasn't commenced yet.

@Clark_EL: Clever, but still won't do much. That is just what he can do.

So there is voting....I've never done this before.

I'm just showing the creativity so far, I'm going to pull out raw power feats from Pre-52. Also what type should Sinestro's ring be Green or Yellow?

Haha I just begun. Yeah, when we are done debating we let people vote to see who wins. I thought it was yellow you wanted..lol

#33 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath: I'm fine with both rings it doesn't really matter.

#34 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: I'm fine with both rings it doesn't really matter.

Both? That would be a little unfair don't you think? Or do you mean you don't care which?

#35 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: I'm fine with both rings it doesn't really matter.

Both? That would be a little unfair don't you think? Or do you mean you don't care which?

Oh no I just meant I don't care what kind of ring he has.

#36 Posted by Killemall (18326 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

When was Thor stated to only fly at mach 32?

No one in real space in marvel is FTL anymore but Thor can access hyperspace just fine, so unlimited speed in hyperspace though(to answer your previous question)

Mach 32 was stated in most recent Thor's bio, Avengers Roll Call 2012

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#37 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

When was Thor stated to only fly at mach 32?

No one in real space in marvel is FTL anymore but Thor can access hyperspace just fine, so unlimited speed in hyperspace though(to answer your previous question)

Mach 32 was stated in most recent Thor's bio, Avengers Roll Call 2012

Oh, I see thanks

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath said:

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: I'm fine with both rings it doesn't really matter.

Both? That would be a little unfair don't you think? Or do you mean you don't care which?

Oh no I just meant I don't care what kind of ring he has.

Oh

#38 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL: Back to the debate. *Gets Final Smash Ball* Final Smash Persuasive Argument Of Destruction !

Hal & Sinesto are incredibly out-muscled by a large margin. If they fight him physically you are going to see two guys in yellow, and green getting tossed around like rag dolls. Although there probably smart enough to know not to engage Thor physically. Thor has fought Hulk for two hours while stalemating him, and Hulk was getting stronger from the increased anger. Thor & Beta Ray Bill together have lifted Asgard together. Hal or Sinestro on a best day couldn't even compare to these feats. Although there powers are not physically related, there going to have a hard time escaping a physical brawl with Thor when that's all he's going to try to do. They will be on the defensive side most of the battle, and it doesn't help when your not powerful enough to shield against your enemy's attacks. Although I can see Hal, and Sinestro combining there shields together to block the attacks, but once Thor see's this, he's going to muster up some of the powerful attacks at his disposal.

Durability wise, Thor beats them by a large margin. Thor is a lot more durable than the Lanterns. Thor has been seen taking nuclear explosions point blank, and barely being harmed. Or tanking multiple blasts from being's as powerful as the Silver Surfer, Firelord, Loki, and other Marvel powerhouse. Last time I checked Hal & Sinestro was more durable on the energy side, than the physical side. Which is going to put them at a even bigger disadvantage seeing as Thor uses more physical attacks than energy. Hal, and Sinestro both had there arm broken, and were easily bloodied by being's who looked to be barely trying. Hal had his arm broken by Darkseid, and Sinestro by Martian Manhunter. Not to mention that these being's are in Thor's weight class suggest that it can be easily replicated by Thor, who if grabs there arms can rip it off, or casually hit them with the full force strike of Mjolnir which would one-shot either of them.

Hal broken arm from Darkseid, and easily bloodied. Darkseid blasts him away with the Omega Beams, but truth be told I doubt Darkseid was using the full force.

Martian Manhunter has engaged Sinestro in combat to which point Manhunter bloody's Sinestro, and brakes his arm.

Heck Hal a guy who can probably lift 25 tons or so snapped Sinestro's neck. Imagine what Thor would do...

While Thor being punched by Rogue with the force to destroy a diamond, makes him blink

Now look what a morals off Thor can muster up

Thor's lightning is magical, and has struck down Odin to his knees in pain with Mjolnir amped by lightning.

Here is Thor blocking an attack that was going to destroy a planet with his storm

Thor's lightning attacks are so powerful that he was making a powerful storm in Asgard, and it was felt all the way in earth.

Tidal waves, and storms.

Current Thor was able to BFR a amped up Hulk with Mjolnir in to space, while he was weakened from having a fight with Serpent, and Odin. This also shows how Thor can cover his whole body in electricty.

Blowing back Surtur with winds. Surtur is Odin level.

Hurts Glory, a being as powerful as Odin. Winds from 1000 worlds

Anti-Blast. As hot as powerful as a star

Lightning powerful enough to heat the ground

Powerful enough to tear a planet a part

So tell me, how do they compare to that sort of power? They can't defend against it, they can't compete with it, and they sure as hell can't do nothing about it. Thor is going to cave there heads in. What I noticed about Hal & Sinestro is that when they fatally injure, or kill there enemies it's because they are not as durable. We have never seen Hal or Sinestro fatally injure anybody as powerful as Thor, Superman, Captain Marvel or Martian Manhunter. Why? Because they don't have the power required to do so. They may be able to hurt them, but not fatally, or any lasting damage. Unless for example Superman stood there, and let Hal bash his face in. The best feat I've seen from Hal is him killing Krona, but I take this with a grain of salt, because Hal has never killed or hurt someone on that caliber before unless you bring up Pre Crisis Hal who was stopping time, and making kryptonite radiation. If Hal struggles to hurt being's like Superman, how all of a sudden does he kill a being even more powerful? Doesn't make sense does it? Krona had to either be weakened, Hal amped, or the writer needed a way to make Hal look extremely powerful. At least with Thor he's consistent. He fights being's more powerful than him all the time. If I remember correctly didn't Jon Stewart go to the full power of the ring, and destroyed Mogo? But at the cost of the ring being destroyed? If that's correct, shouldn't Hal's have been destroyed killing Krona who is far more powerful than Mogo? You can take this as you please, because at the end of the day your opinion on this matters. But Thor is seen hurting Skyfather level being's a lot, while Hal has one showing of killing a being who at best is Thanos level. ( I never seen Guardians as that powerful ). Guardians should be around Thanos's level.

In the end, the team loses to the God Of Thunder. Your turn, or kneel before the mighty Thor !

#39 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath: Green Lantern rings can lift a lot more than 25 tons.

#40 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL: Thor can lift trillions, and more, compared to Hal's probably 50 ton range.

#41 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath:

1) Green Lantern's can lift thousands of tons, nothing compared to Thor but still.

2) Thor would lose to a Thanos level being easily.

Strength feat:

Durability:

Takes a nuclear blast as a rookie

other durability feats:

He can teleport people:

Not really a feat but he's dangerous even if he can't actually do it.

Power:

Considering Sinestro is around the same power level. I think both of them together can beat Thor.

#42 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL: Lets just make people start voting now

#43 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath: Why, not.....so what do we do now?

#44 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: Why, not.....so what do we do now?

Make people vote who wins, me, or you

#45 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

Let the voting commence !

#46 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath:

Should we start a voting Forum?

#47 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath:

Should we start a voting Forum?

No, people will come here, and vote

#48 Posted by Clark_EL (2583 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThunderGodsWrath: How?

#49 Posted by New_World_Order (12629 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@ThunderGodsWrath: How?

Just watch

#50 Edited by oceanmaster21 (7765 posts) - - Show Bio

sinestro team beats thor after a goodfight but he cant beat them both especially u got sinestro in there