Rules
- Pre-Flashpoint Black Adam
- Regular Thor
- Morals on
- Win by death, ko or incapacitation
- Starting distance: 40 meters apart
- The battle takes place in an unpopulated and indestructible planet.
I will tag you...I will tag you all !
Black Adam ! Most of you probably already know this guy, for those who don't I'm going to give you a:
Black Adam has been around for thousands of years, he got his powers from the old Shazam, he has the qualities/powers of six egyptian gods. Black Adam is an anti-hero, a villain to Captain Marvel and the JSA, and a hero to Kahndaq the country he rules.
Teth-Adam is very powerful, he has fought the JSA and overpowered the whole team:
Beating a team that consists of Alan Scott, PowerGirl, Jay Garric, Hourman etc., is a great feat for strength and speed. Here he stops a blitz from Jay Garrick:
That shows how fast Black Adam is. if you want more speed/reaction feats from Adam, here:
He fights Jay at superspeeds, to the point where other people seem like statues. And now let's take a look at what he did to Spectre:
Yeah he did that to the Spectre!
I think for an opening post this is enough, I've proved that Black Adam is incredibly fast, strong and durable. Now I'll wait to see how Thor can counter these points (if he can). Your turn @americanspeeddemon.
Black Adam is extremely powerful but Thor's no slouch either
Thor is one of marvel's strongest heroes
Thor is also fast often described as being faster than lightning.
Finally Thor is a god and therefore has extreme levels of power.
Thor holds back against mortals even ones as powerful as the Hulk but a foe with god like powers like Black Adam won't get that benefit.
That ends my intro i'm sure we can both agree both of the combatants are pretty powerful.
@ghostvortex: this is a CaV. Read this.
@americanspeeddemon: That was a very good intro, nice work!
You provided me with some good strength feats for Thor, but now it's my turn to prove that Adam is even stronger. Take a look at his fight against Superman:
Superman admitted that Black Adam hits harder than Captain Marvel and that he was not holding back. Captain Marvel has arm-wrestled with Superman before and it almost ended in stalemate, if Captain Marvel's friends (Mary and Freddy) didn't use their Shazam powers which they share with Billy:
So yeah Billy was "cippled" in the middle of the arm wrestling, anyway what I'm trying to say is that Captain Marvel's strength is on par with Superman and Superman admitted himself that Black Adam hits harder than Captain Marvel, so that proves Black Adam has a great strength and striking power.
During his fight against Adam, Superman also said he was not holding back and when Superman doesn't hold back he hits really hard:
Here he's fight Konvikt, he states that he's hit him hard enough to shatter small planets and on the next panel he says that he's been on defensive. So basically Superman considers small planet-shattering punches as defensive, so we can say he hits harder than that. We can assume that Superman hit him as hard as Konvikt since he was not holding back. This goes into Adam's durability feats.
While you showed enough feats for Thor's traveling speed, you didn't show us any reaction feats. In combat reaction feats are far more decisive than traveling (or raw) speed. Black Adam has been able to keep up with Jay Garrick, unless you show some really good reaction feats for Thor, Black Adam is going to blitz him.
Unless you show me some really good Thor feats, I can assume this: Black Adam will be able to strike Thor with lighting, while Thor won't be able to do the same. Thor's lighting has been dodged by Quicksilver:
Jay Garrick is faster than Quicksilver, so I can say that Black Adam can dodge Thor's lighting.
Thor is a superhero, Black Adam is a ruthless supervillain (mostly). Black Adam will have the moral advantage since he won't hold back, so basically Adam will be the aggresor:
@americanspeeddemon btw I can't read your first scan...
@sinntek1 sure thing.
While black adam's strength is impressive i think thor might be more impressive
Thor has ridiculous strength in one battle he and his opponent not only destroyed the planet they were fighting on but also cracked a moon orbiting it.
Additionally when Thor and Hercules arm wrestled it generated enough pressure to knock the planet off balance.
Thor additionally almost killed the red Hulk in one hit if he hadn't held back at the last second rulk would have died.
Black Adam may be strong but Thor is one of the strongest heroes ever created.
As for quicksilver dodging Thor's lightning, Quicksilver is faster than light so it is not strange for him to be able to dodge lightning
Additionally lightning only energizes thor and if need be he can dodge the blasts
Or absorb it and use it a thousand fold
Thor may be a hero but he is not afraid to kill especially when he's mad
Thor is one of the most powerful heroes in the marvel universe if anyone has what it takes to beat Black adam it's Thor
@batman1130: read the rules
No one cares what your opinion is... you can't even vote for this
@batman1130 lol its all good man
@americanspeeddemon: While Thor's strength feats are very impressive, Black Adam is more than capable of enduring his punches, he has tanked hits from powerhouses like: Superman, PowerGirl and of course Captain Marvel.
As for quicksilver dodging Thor's lightning, Quicksilver is faster than light so it is not strange for him to be able to dodge lightning
Maybe he is, but I doubt his perception speed is on the same level as Jay Garrick's:
His perception speed is extreme. Hours are like years to him, minutes like days. And as I showed in my previous posts Black Adam has been able to keep up with him. Speed is in my opinion the main factor that will give Adam the win against Thor. Odin's son is going to get blitzed and yeah he won'T even be able to strike Teth with his lightning...
Additionally lightning only energizes thor and if need be he can dodge the blasts
Yeah you beat me at this, Black Adam's lighting will probably be irrelevant in this battle.
Thor may be a hero but he is not afraid to kill especially when he's mad
I see, yet Adam isn't afraid to kill even when he's not mad, he's that cruel.
Thor is one of the most powerful heroes in the marvel universe if anyone has what it takes to beat Black adam it's Thor
Yeah Thor is one of the most powerful in the Marvel Universe, but not enough powerful to beat Adam (in my opinion). I'm going to summarize why he can't:
@americanspeeddemon This is my ending post.
@chimeroid: Did you have to comment then? If you'Re not interested about something stay out of it. I would accept a comment like yours if it came from a guy with more posts than me, but not from someone who's probably not a very good debater himself... Have a nice day :).
@americanspeeddemon: @zeroplus: You both presented your cases in a quick rapid info style.. I would like to have seen thor's underrated reactionary feats used more tho and him perceiving hermes things like that...,, tag for voting....
So for my last points I want to argue two things firstly thor has some of the best attacks in comics
Additionally Thor is a tank and can handle near any damage
Lastly I want to bring up Thor's speed while not on the level of superman's or the flash Thor is still very very fast and has suprised numerous people even some FTL characters with his speed.
Overall you are right Thor would get hit more but his durability allows him to tank attacks while the hits Thor lands, and he will land plenty, will be utterly devastating.
@urban_ninja_x: @marlboroman: @sodamyat: @sinntek1: @mysticmedivh: @crushyourenemies: @rpgesus: Votes open
@zeroplus: me too
@masterkungfu: Ok..
@zeroplus: To be honest, I am vastly disappointed. I had expected more, not less descriptive and to-the-point posts. Sorry, but no votes from me.
IMHO, and as I have stated in a similar thread, Black Adam has soloed the entirety of the DC Universe Earth's heroes (and some villains) and beaten them all soundly; whereas I am hard put to recall a single stance in which Thor goes against more than a handful of opponents and does not get his ass handed to him.
I may, of course, be mistaken. But I seriously doubt it, I believe in the 30 years or so I've been reading both Marvel and DC I would have stumbled into such an epic clash as Thor versus most of the MU Earth's heroes, or even just the Avengers, in which he came out on top.
I will say there appears to be a pretty unfair bias for Marvel's characters by their rabid fans in this and other forums. They seem unable to contemplate a situation in which their paragon's of... something could be beaten by the esteemed competition's counterparts.
Guys check out Thor vs Shazam CaV which is going to be much better debated than this:
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/cav-thor-tp82-vs-shazam-flash1812-1722726/
Btw if you want to read an incredibly well done Cav of Sentry vs Silver surfer, check this one out :
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/cav-sentry-sophia89-vs-silver-surfer-lvenger-votin-1575304/
Oh done? Well just to give my thoughts on the use of Pietro in the debate...... He's not light speed
The pic in the op of Thor is bad
He beat Daredevil, Wasp, and Hercules, Way?
I know it's old, but the picture you're referring to is not Thor, is Ragnarok.
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