CAV: Arathorn_II (King Bradley) vs DH61(Medusa) Voting

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Anime and Manga feats can be used for both parties, but considering how FMA has two different anime, Arathorn will only be allowed FMAB feats and manga feats.

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Starting Distance 50 Feet.

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Well, this should be.... interesting

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Hahah so you guys actually went through with it huh? Tag for votes

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I think Wrath can take this, he's much faster, being able to deflect bullets with ease and slicing a tankshell in half shot from mere meters away. His Ultimate Eye also gives him a great advantage since he can see weaknesses with it and read his enemy in battle, avoiding incoming attacks with little to no effort.

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Looking at the OP, Bradley is demolishing the kid in the 'looking badass' department.

Tag for votes though.

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#11  Edited By DeathHero61
@arathorn_ii said:

I think Wrath can take this, he's much faster, being able to deflect bullets with ease and slicing a tankshell in half shot from mere meters away. His Ultimate Eye also gives him a great advantage since he can see weaknesses with it and read his enemy in battle, avoiding incoming attacks with little to no effort.

Not the presentation i expected but you are new here so no surprise.

Medusa Gorgon

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Medusa is one of the most powerful witches in the Soul Eater universe. She is heavily versatile and intensely evil. She won't have a problem with teamwork though so don't worry. Her abilities lie slightly in vector manipulation. Now its nothing hax like Accelerator or Lucy. Its pretty simple and im sure you can handle it.... Maybe.

Unarmed Combat

Medusa has excellent abilities in hand-to-hand combat. Her reflexes and skills when mixed with her offensive magic made her a nearly deadly foe to Franken Stein, one of DWMA's most skilled Meisters.

Magic

Medusa is one of the most deadliest of the witches in the world. "Nake Snake Cobra Cobbra" is the mantra that Medusa uses as an incantation for her magic spells. Hidden inside of Medusa's body are over one thousand magical snakes. These snakes can be implanted into an enemy to spy or even explode on command.

Vector Drill: She can enhance her strikes by engulfing her hand in drill-like vectors.

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Light Serpent: With the Light Serpent spell, the snake tattoos on Medusa's arms take form from her body to become a snake that can both strike an enemy or become so large they can carry her.

Snake Bomb: This spell is based around the manipulation of one of the thounsands of snakes in Medusa's body. After implanting these snakes, she can cause it to explode inside a body on command. This only damages the host body, and the snake will return to Medusa unharmed. These will be discussed later on.

Vector Arrow ベクタアロー, Bekuta Arō): The Vector Arrow is one of Medusa's primary magical attacks. It created a magical form of arrows that are sharp enough to slice through flesh.

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Vector Plate (ベクタプレート", Bekuta Purēto): The Vector Plate is used by forming a magical arrow. Anything that is above this mark will be propelled in the direction of the arrow. These can be formed on the ground and in thin air. This is a technique that Medusa can use both offensively and defensively. It can cast away an enemy, or she can form multiple plates to propel herself behind an enemy at incredible speed.

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Vector Storm (ベクタストーム, Bakuta Sutōmu): The Vector Storm spell is used by creating a swirl of Vector Arrows that explode from her feet and spin around her. This works as a defensive attack that threatened to slice apart anyone attempting to strike her.

  • Compress: By issuing the command "compress" and tightly closing one of her hands, after previously preforming the Steam Vector technique, the remaining "vectors" will proceed to surround a nearby opponent. This not only has the effect of physically restraining the target, but also crushing them, as the "vectors" continually increase their constrictive force until eventually compacting into a single, dense, black sphere.

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Black Star and Soul(who maka is more swift and agile than) are bullet timers themselves. They both blocked and dodged bullets from Kid.

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1:50-1:55 Dodging bullets

3:44-3:47 here we can see Soul blocking bullets after they are fired.

Stein who happens to be faster than both maka and black star while holding back, can just barely keep up with Medusa. As shown.

I thank @superdrummer for the scans below.

Stein can keep up with mid-series (post-Mifune death) Black Star WITHOUT a weapon:

And Black Star was keeping up with Mifune, same guy who can dodge hypersonic sniper rifle shots.

here is the sniper rifle,azusa says the effective range is up 10km. also here are scans of mifune blocking fire from the same gun on multiple occasions:

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The bullet reached him in around 3 seconds i speculate. Thats Mach 10 taking the distance in consideration. Far faster than bradley who is at best Mach 2 or 3 maybe if i am being super generous and BSing Mach 4. Black Star was keeping up with this guy. And stein can effortlessly keep up with black star but unfortunately cannot keep up with medusa unless he went insane(which in said state he becomes faster and stronger and more focused on combat.)

Even if you don't accept this, bradley wouldn't have such a speed advantage that it would put the fight in his favor. Medusa is too powerful and skilled for that.

Medusa wins this with superior power and versatility.

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#13  Edited By Arathorn_II

@deathhero61: I'm sorry, I didn't have any time the last few days.

Hmm... So this kind of presentation. Okay, let me try.

Wrath

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Fuhrer King Bradley, leader of Amestris. Also know as the Homunculus Wrath the Furious. He's arguably the strongest and most skilled of Homunculi in terms of battle prowess, having served at the front of many battles. His Ultimate Eye makes him a deadly opponent for almost anyone who crosses him.

Swordsmanship

Wrath was trained from birth to handle a sword and become deadly with it. He shows incredible skill and speed when he fights, overwheling his opponents and being able to dominate a fight against Fu and Greeling, two highly skilled ninja's, one of which dodge machine gun fire with ease, being fast enough to run up a wall.

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Wrath showing some amazing agilty and swordsmanship, as well as incredible speed.

Speed

Wrath is incredibly fast, showing feats as slicing a tankshell, directly shot at him from mere meters away, in half. Casually dodging and blocking bullets from a few feet away and killing 7 men within 2-3 seconds. He has shown multiple times that he draws and slices faster than the eye can see.

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- Wrath drawing his sword and slicing multiple times, without it being visible

Ultimate Eye

Being a Homunculus, Wrath has a special power in his right eye called; the Ultimate Eye. It allows him to see weaknesses in his opponents, as well as reading his opponents in combat, which makes that he can easily dodge almost any attack launched at him. It has also helped him jumping from rubble to rubble to survive falling to death when the train was exploded above a ravine.

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01:25 - 02:13 Wrath explaining about his Ultimate Eye

04: 44 - 05:04 Wrath showing amazing agility, speed and skill. Also using his Ultimate Eye to see the weakness in Greed's shield.

Durabilty

Even for a Homunculus without any abnormal fast healing power, Wrath has shown that he has an amazing durability. He could hold his own against Scar, also a bullet dodger and major threat to any State Alchemist, when he was stabbed in the stomach, shot in the shoulder and his Ultimate Eye being blinded.

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Wrath fighting Scar after being stabbed, shot and his Eye blinded. He finally dies because of PIS 05:00 - 05:30

He also shows slicing through solid rock with ease and his amazing agility, speed and skill in swordfighting, even though he's severly wounded.

Wrath wins because of superior speed, agility, battle skills, durability and Ultimate Eye.

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#14  Edited By DeathHero61

@arathorn_ii:

First off Bradley will have a hard time getting close to her with a swarm of vector arrows getting ready to puncture him.

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Or vector plates stopping him.

Medusa will set vector bullets across the area all set in different directions.

I will admit there are ways around this but its difficult to counter.

She will do this except the arrows are scattered around.
She will do this except the arrows are scattered around.

Being a Homunculus, Wrath has a special power in his right eye called; the Ultimate Eye. It allows him to see weaknesses in his opponents, as well as reading his opponents in combat, which makes that he can easily dodge almost any attack launched at him. It has also helped him jumping from rubble to rubble to survive falling to death when the train was exploded above a ravine.

There are likely limits to this ability. Especially considering how seeing a weakness doesn't mean you can counter it. And Medusa has no real weakness in her fighting style. Reading opponents sure but like what i said for seeing a weakness, predicting attacks is not the same as getting ready to dodge said attack. So even if he can read one of Medusa's moves that doesn't mean he can dodge. Heck all things considered Medusa is probably faster than bradley. Even with her vector bullets/plates.

With the vector plates being put all over the place, that will make it easier for Medusa to get around while making it harder for Bradley to do the same considering how he would be vulnerable if he kept on accidentally getting on a vector plate. He would have to do what stein did if he doesn't want to get launched, but replicating that isn't logically possible in Bradley's case.

So not only will Medusa own the battlefield, Bradley has no way of getting close to her.

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#16  Edited By Arathorn_II

@deathhero61:

First off Bradley will have a hard time getting close to her with a swarm of vector arrows getting ready to puncture him.

This is completely not true. In Stein's fight against Medusa, Stein has shown to tagg Medusa, even when she's using her Vector Arrows, and right before that battle, Kid, Maka & Black Star have shown to easily dodge them in order to get further. As shown above, Wrath is faster than all of them, so he wouldn't have that much of a hard time. Aside from that, Stein himself said that going right through the middle was best to do, given Wrath's Ultimate Eye, he should see that as well. Aside from that, Vector Arrows have been shown to be able to cut, which Wrath can obviously do as well.

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Sorry, but I couldn't find any English version, but it's the visual that counts, right?

12:50 - 15:15 Kid, Black Star and Maka all going through Vector Arrows unharmed and Black Star even slices them appart.

Or vector plates stopping him.

Medusa will set vector bullets across the area all set in different directions.

I'll admit this will make it a little harder to get close, but that's it. His Ultimate Eye is able to keep up with how fast she goes, and in which direction, mostly because she just isn't going faster than a bullet. Aside from that, he will be able to use them at his advantage as well. Wrath has shown to be able to propel himself from the explosion of a tank blast, so using Vector Plates, especially combined with his Ultimate Eye, will be quite easy.

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00:55 - 01:06 Wrath propelling himself from a tankshot

There are likely limits to this ability. Especially considering how seeing a weakness doesn't mean you can counter it. And Medusa has no real weakness in her fighting style. Reading opponents sure but like what i said for seeing a weakness, predicting attacks is not the same as getting ready to dodge said attack. So even if he can read one of Medusa's moves that doesn't mean he can dodge. Heck all things considered Medusa is probably faster than bradley. Even with her vector bullets/plates.

The only limit it has it that if something is blocked by a physical object, he cannot see it, but since this a 1v1, in a place where there aren't many physical objects to block it, it's almost a non-factor. And given that Medusa has been beaten twice, it kinda gives away that her fighting style has flaws, which Wrath can exploit. And Wrath has dodged or blocked every attack launched at him, when nothing physical was blocking it from his Eye. Vector Arrows aren't going faster than bullets, let alone Medusa in h2h combat.

With the vector plates being put all over the place, that will make it easier for Medusa to get around while making it harder for Bradley to do the same considering how he would be vulnerable if he kept on accidentally getting on a vector plate. He would have to do what stein did if he doesn't want to get launched, but replicating that isn't logically possible in Bradley's case.

Vector Plates are useful for Bradley as well, and his Ultimate Eye will be able to keep up Medusa going faster than usual. Bradley will domiate the field, like has has and always does, even against an army. Almost point blank bullets are nothing to him, so let alone Medusa who goes a little faster.

Medusa has no counter against Wrath's incredible Attack speed (see Wrath vs Ice Alchemist in my last post), his Agility and Durabilty (both shown much higher than Medusa's), his swordfighting skills (much better than anything shown by Medusa) and his Ultimate Eye being able to keep up with everything Medusa has in store for him.

Wrath wins because his overal stats being better than anything Medusa is able to do; be it overal skills or dominating the battlefield.

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@deathhero61: You are done posting, as in, you're not gonna debate any further?

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@arathorn_ii: Oh sorry i forgot, i will have a post up sometime today. I have a life too you know.

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@deathhero61: Wow, no need to feel attacked, just asking you xD You already asked me when I didn't respond in 2 days

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@arathorn_ii:

This is completely not true. In Stein's fight against Medusa, Stein has shown to tagg Medusa, even when she's using her Vector Arrows, and right before that battle, Kid, Maka & Black Star have shown to easily dodge them in order to get further. As shown above, Wrath is faster than all of them, so he wouldn't have that much of a hard time. Aside from that, Stein himself said that going right through the middle was best to do, given Wrath's Ultimate Eye, he should see that as well. Aside from that, Vector Arrows have been shown to be able to cut, which Wrath can obviously do as well.

She was dealing with multiple targets all at once. Wrath isn't really faster than any of them besides maybe maka. Black Star and Kid? Not so much. Remember? The sniper? Even if we were to say the sniper was based off of a sniper in real life. A sniper shot is faster than a machine gun shot. So Mifune would still be faster. Wrath is going to be dealing with vector plates and her arrows. So no. Its not that simple. He will eventually lose his footing and that will be the moment he gets stabbed by vector arrows. Also Wrath would have to have seen the trajectory before like Stein and Maka have. Vector arrows would be new to him.

12:50 - 15:15 Kid, Black Star and Maka all going through Vector Arrows unharmed and Black Star even slices them appart.

Maka just barely did so, Kid was the most agile and had the most mobility and even grinded on the arrows. Black Star was using Dark Sword mode to slice them apart.

I'll admit this will make it a little harder to get close, but that's it. His Ultimate Eye is able to keep up with how fast she goes, and in which direction, mostly because she just isn't going faster than a bullet. Aside from that, he will be able to use them at his advantage as well. Wrath has shown to be able to propel himself from the explosion of a tank blast, so using Vector Plates, especially combined with his Ultimate Eye, will be quite easy.

If she can keep up with stein and the soul eater trio in combat i don't see how she isn't faster than bullets first of all. Second of all, Bradley cannot get close if she keeps spawning them. And with each one he lands on it makes it harder to get a precise hit. And trying to use the vector plate to his advantage will go exactly how it did for stein.

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The only limit it has it that if something is blocked by a physical object, he cannot see it, but since this a 1v1, in a place where there aren't many physical objects to block it, it's almost a non-factor. And given that Medusa has been beaten twice, it kinda gives away that her fighting style has flaws, which Wrath can exploit. And Wrath has dodged or blocked every attack launched at him, when nothing physical was blocking it from his Eye. Vector Arrows aren't going faster than bullets, let alone Medusa in h2h combat.

Someone losing a fight doesn't mean they have flaws in their fighting style. Look at Captain America, or Batman or lady shiva etc. They have lost fights before from what i recall, that doesn't mean they had flaws.(not that i am saying they are flawless.) Are you saying Wrath is flawless? Vector arrows give people like Stein a decent amount of trouble. And her own speed was enough to keep up with stein and maka. So i think she can without a doubt move faster than a bullet.

Medusa has no counter against Wrath's incredible Attack speed (see Wrath vs Ice Alchemist in my last post), his Agility and Durabilty (both shown much higher than Medusa's), his swordfighting skills (much better than anything shown by Medusa) and his Ultimate Eye being able to keep up with everything Medusa has in store for him.

Incredible attack speed? Are you really using The ice alchemist as a reference? Speed feats like that are a common trope in anime. And even then bullet timers are faster than those who achieve such feats. And to add, the ice alchemist has no speed feats of his own so him getting speed blitzed doesn't tell us anything besides the fact that Bradley basically blitzed fodder. Agility i will give you but durability is arguable. His sword fighting skills are irrelevant due to the nature of her powers and how she uses them.

Medusa takes this with little trouble due to the fact that the Vector plates will be messing with his agility and mobility while Medusa will be simultaneously attacking with long range attacks. Bradley cannot counter forever and once he gets a whole bunch of vector arrows in him Medusa will have another dead corpse to the body count.

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She was dealing with multiple targets all at once. Wrath isn't really faster than any of them besides maybe maka. Black Star and Kid? Not so much. Remember? The sniper? Even if we were to say the sniper was based off of a sniper in real life. A sniper shot is faster than a machine gun shot. So Mifune would still be faster. Wrath is going to be dealing with vector plates and her arrows. So no. Its not that simple. He will eventually lose his footing and that will be the moment he gets stabbed by vector arrows. Also Wrath would have to have seen the trajectory before like Stein and Maka have. Vector arrows would be new to him.

She wasn't when dealing with Maka, and she was the slowest and even she made it through. Wrath is a lot faster, so it will be easy for him to get through. And no, Mifune isn't faster. I've showed you the formula and if you want I can post it here as well. Wrath doesn't need to have seen the trajectory before, his Ultimate Eye does that for him, as it sees weaknesses in attacks. And Wrath didn't even lose his foot when jumping from falling rubble to falling rubble, nor when you got propelled by a tank blast, so he also won't by same Vector plates that are partially used for increasing your own speed.

Maka just barely did so, Kid was the most agile and had the most mobility and even grinded on the arrows. Black Star was using Dark Sword mode to slice them apart.

Yes, but Maka did, and she's certainly not faster than Wrath. And both Maka, Black Star and Stein have shown to be able to cut vector arrows, so Wrath can do the same if he needs to.

If she can keep up with stein and the soul eater trio in combat i don't see how she isn't faster than bullets first of all. Second of all, Bradley cannot get close if she keeps spawning them. And with each one he lands on it makes it harder to get a precise hit. And trying to use the vector plate to his advantage will go exactly how it did for stein.

You are saying Medusa is going mach 3 in battle? And even if she would, which she obviously doesn't, Wrath could still dodge her. And if she keeps spawning them she can't get close either. And Wrath is a lot more used to fast targets and moving fast himself, aside from that he has his Ultimate Eye, which Stein doesn't, so he'll be able not to make the same mistake.

Someone losing a fight doesn't mean they have flaws in their fighting style. Look at Captain America, or Batman or lady shiva etc. They have lost fights before from what i recall, that doesn't mean they had flaws.(not that i am saying they are flawless.) Are you saying Wrath is flawless? Vector arrows give people like Stein a decent amount of trouble. And her own speed was enough to keep up with stein and maka. So i think she can without a doubt move faster than a bullet.

If they aren't flawless in battle, it means they have flaws. And no, I never said that, in fact, I already pointed out the flaw in his Ultimate Eye, so saying that is ridiculous. And again, Wrath has his Ultimate Eye, he won't have trouble with the Vector Arrows like Stein had, and even if he has trouble, Stein managed to defeat her despite that, so Wrath will certainly be able to as well. And really, show me how she goes faster than a bullet. Maybe a relatively slow bullet, something not even mach 1, but certainly not anything Wrath can't easily keep up with.

Incredible attack speed? Are you really using The ice alchemist as a reference? Speed feats like that are a common trope in anime. And even then bullet timers are faster than those who achieve such feats. And to add, the ice alchemist has no speed feats of his own so him getting speed blitzed doesn't tell us anything besides the fact that Bradley basically blitzed fodder. Agility i will give you but durability is arguable. His sword fighting skills are irrelevant due to the nature of her powers and how she uses them.

I bet you didn't see the vid, here it is again:

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The enemy doesn't matter, Wrath slices multiple times, faster than what we can see. All we can see is him drawing his sword. Medusa hasn't shown anything close to defending against a speed like that. He also does the same against Edward in his State Alchemist exam. Even Edward, and all people around him, said that they didn't even saw Bradley draw his sword, yet he did and sliced with it.

Wrath takes this with minor ease, due to Wrath being able to keep up with everything Medusa can dish out at him, whilest she herself doesn't show any defense against Wrath incredible attack speed as seen above. Bradley doesn't need to counter forever, one counter attack will be enough to deal with Medusa like Wrath deals with most his enemies.

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She wasn't when dealing with Maka, and she was the slowest and even she made it through. Wrath is a lot faster, so it will be easy for him to get through. And no, Mifune isn't faster. I've showed you the formula and if you want I can post it here as well. Wrath doesn't need to have seen the trajectory before, his Ultimate Eye does that for him, as it sees weaknesses in attacks. And Wrath didn't even lose his foot when jumping from falling rubble to falling rubble, nor when you got propelled by a tank blast, so he also won't by same Vector plates that are partially used for increasing your own speed.

The major difference is that multiple vectors will be around to screw with Wrath. Sure post the formula. I want everyone to see that. Plus no matter how much you try to ignore it, mifune is faster. Heck even if the sniper bullet was normal, we see Mifune blocking said sniper bullets IN CLOSE RANGE.(at an even closer range than when wrath was fighting the tank.) Snipers shoot bullets faster than pretty much any other standard gun. So Mifune would still be equal or faster than Wrath.

1.You are saying Medusa is going mach 3 in battle? And even if she would, which she obviously doesn't, Wrath could still dodge her. 2.And if she keeps spawning them she can't get close either. 3.And Wrath is a lot more used to fast targets and moving fast himself, aside from that he has his Ultimate Eye, which Stein doesn't, so he'll be able not to make the same mistake.

1.The funny thing is, you have never proved me wrong besides the formula you used which has flaws in the first place. By your specific logic, Spiderman is faster than the world's fastest jets which we know isn't true since he cannot keep up with quicksilver. Reaction time is reaction time. You are saying that the bullet's speed would decrease over time, this is 100 percent true. But there is absolutely no way a bullet being shot at speeds fast enough to cross 10km would slow down to the extent you said it would in only 2-3 seconds at the most.

And funny that you bring science into this. What you said isn't wrong, but it doesn't conclude that Mifune is faster, because you ''forgot'' to calcute the time they had to react in it, like this:

Wrath

Mach 3 = 3 * speed of sound

SoS = 761 Miles per hour

3 * 761 = 2283 M/H

0,1 s reaction time

2283 / 3600 = 0,63 miles per sec

= 0,63 / 0,1 = 6,34 M/s

Wrath could dodge a bullet going 6,43 M/s with 1 second reaction time

6,34 * 3600 = 22830 M/H

Mifune

Mach 10 = 10 * speed of sound

SoS = 761 Miles per hour

10 * 761 = 7610 M/H

2 seconds reaction time

7610 / 3600 = 2,11 miles per sec

= 2,11 / 2 = 1,07 M/s

Mifune could dodge a bullet going 1,07 M/s with 1 second reaction time

1,07 * 3600 = 3805 M/H

As you can see here, Wrath is faster. This is of course calculated without the substantial loss of speed the sniper bullet has when travelling 5 km. Bullets from a mere few feet away have a speed loss of almost nothing.

This is your formula in response to me having to explain to you the difference between Mach 3 and Mach 10. You are ignoring the secondary scans i showed. i will quote myself.

Not really. There is a massive ammount of friction and air resistance, given that a bullet crosses 5 km. There certainly as meassurable ammount of speed loss. Besides, you say the bullet shot is Mach 10, yet everything above mach 5 can be considered hypersonic, so the bullet could've been mach 5 as well easily. And rapid fire is still a lot slower than a sniper bullet, so it's not like he dodges close range bullets going ''mach 10''.

If the gun has enough fire power to cross such a distance in such a short time the whole "slow down over time" crap is irrelevant, because a bullet's speed wouldn't drop onto an entirely lower level in only 2 to 3 seconds.. Here is Mifune reacting to several bullets from the same gun in CLOSE RANGE it was practically a far smaller distance than the distance bradley was reacting to the gun fire.

So by your logic Mifune is even more faster than Wrath if we go by the formula you did in an attempt to make wrath faster than he actually is. You can see him reacting to said bullets in close range rapid fire. Which would mean that the bullets were reflected when they were in their prime, basically before they lost speed due to friction and air resistance. By the way by the logic you are applying for wrath's bullet timing Spiderman is faster than most of the standard mid-tiers in anime and pretty much everyone in both FMA and Soul Eater.

2.She can predict the trajectory obviously since she is the one manipulating them. Plus she has a broom that she can use for flight. Plus the speed boost is enough for Ox a student to not even react to the arrow.

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To add the durability you mentioned i doubt Wrath has enough to tank a vector enhanced blow from Medusa. A weaker student by the name Kiribito had his strikes enhanced as i shown. He managed to punch apart a giant monster:

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Even He was surrprised by how much power his punch had when Medusa applied the boost. So one direct punch from Medusa may be the end of Bradley. Oh by the way Vector plates can be used in mid-air.

Heck if bradley gives her too much trouble she will slip a snake inside of him and blow him up from the inside, or she can do this.

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She can have her vectors quickly surround wrath and crush him.

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The major difference is that multiple vectors will be around to screw with Wrath. Sure post the formula. I want everyone to see that. Plus no matter how much you try to ignore it, mifune is faster. Heck even if the sniper bullet was normal, we see Mifune blocking said sniper bullets IN CLOSE RANGE.(at an even closer range than when wrath was fighting the tank.) Snipers shoot bullets faster than pretty much any other standard gun. So Mifune would still be equal or faster than Wrath.

Well, no. Otherwise it would've been the same against Maka, so no. Here's the formula for Wrath's and Mifune's speed:

Wrath

Mach 3 = 3 * speed of sound

SoS = 761 Miles per hour

3 * 761 = 2283 M/H

0,1 s reaction time

2283 / 3600 = 0,63 miles per sec

= 0,63 / 0,1 = 6,34 M/s

Wrath could dodge a bullet going 6,43 M/s with 1 second reaction time

6,34 * 3600 = 22830 M/H

Mifune

Mach 10 = 10 * speed of sound

SoS = 761 Miles per hour

10 * 761 = 7610 M/H

2 seconds reaction time

7610 / 3600 = 2,11 miles per sec

= 2,11 / 2 = 1,07 M/s

Mifune could dodge a bullet going 1,07 M/s with 1 second reaction time

1,07 * 3600 = 3805 M/H

And this is calculated when the bullet is going mach 10. Now lets say the bullets at close range are indeed hypersonic as well. Mifune was still a lot further away, giving him much more time to react. And you said that the bullet was mach 10 because she stated her bullets were ''hypersonic''. You then speculated yourself that the bullet would've crossed the 5km distance in 2-3 seconds. But everything above mach 5 can be called hypersonic, and that very word is the only evidence we have for how fast her bullets go. The rest is just speculation from your side, because I calculated (yet not shown because I'm lazy and actually still winning this debate), that Mifune had 2,5 seconds to react on a mach 10 bullet shot from 5km away, because that's the time in which a bullet that fast travels that distance. Wrath actually only had 0,0002 seconds to react on a mach 3 bullet shot from 2 meters away, but given that his Ultimate Eye gives him some of an edge, saying 0,1 seconds (though still a major stretch because I don't think his Eye can see 1000 times faster), still would seem viable, also because the distance might have been a few meters larger, especially concidering that even than Wrath was much faster. Now we know that the bullet shot could also easily have been mach 5, so the time Mifune had to react is even higher. Now there is the case in which he dodges it from a closer distance. Lets asume here they are indeed still the same speed, mach 5, because that isn't really that much of a stretch. Those bullets are still shot from a lot further away than Wrath blocks bullets from, and Mifune is seen to have trouble with it, where as Wrath does it like it's childsplay. It also can be seen that he doesn't dodge most of the bullets as much as he dodges the aim and runs away from it. And no, he doesn't run away from the bullets, but the aim, making Sid shoot miss because he's constantly on the move, making sure Sid can't get a proper lock on on him. Now yes, this is still fast, and he has shown blocking two bullets, but both from a pretty far distance still, so nothing that really puts him near Wrath.

1.The funny thing is, you have never proved me wrong besides the formula you used which has flaws in the first place. By your specific logic, Spiderman is faster than the world's fastest jets which we know isn't true since he cannot keep up with quicksilver. Reaction time is reaction time. You are saying that the bullet's speed would decrease over time, this is 100 percent true. But there is absolutely no way a bullet being shot at speeds fast enough to cross 10km would slow down to the extent you said it would in only 2-3 seconds at the most.

There are two things wrong with this statement. First, you're using the formula wrong. Spidey has his Spider Sense, giving him aditional reaction time seconds. Second, this is for reaction time, not the actual speed of the character. Now don't get me wrong, they are tied together, but not the same. See, Mifune has 2,5 seconds of reaction time. In those 2,5 seconds, he needs to move his sword a few inches to block the bullet. His actual speed you can conclude from this is that Mifune can move his sword a few inches in 2,5 seconds. This is actual sience and basic physics. Unless you can show me I made a mistake calculating, or had some of the meassurements wrong, you can't argue with this.

2.She can predict the trajectory obviously since she is the one manipulating them. Plus she has a broom that she can use for flight. Plus the speed boost is enough for Ox a student to not even react to the arrow.

True, but she still doesn't move faster than Wrath can see with his Ultimate Eye. Medusa doesn't have a single counter for that. And yes, she has a broom, which means she can keep spawning Vector Arrwos as her only means of attack, but Wrath could leap on them to get to Medusa, just like Death the Kid did with his skateboard. And Ox has no where near the reaction speed of Wrath, so don't even bother comparing those two.

To add the durability you mentioned i doubt Wrath has enough to tank a vector enhanced blow from Medusa. A weaker student by the name Kiribito had his strikes enhanced as i shown. He managed to punch apart a giant monster:

Even He was surrprised by how much power his punch had when Medusa applied the boost. So one direct punch from Medusa may be the end of Bradley. Oh by the way Vector plates can be used in mid-air.

Fun and all, but this doesn't show that Medusa has a better durability than Wrath whatsoever. And even than Medusa first needs to land a hit, something she never has shown to be capable of against someone as fast as Wrath.

Heck if bradley gives her too much trouble she will slip a snake inside of him and blow him up from the inside, or she can do this.

Or Wrath just throws one of his swords in her face. That seems more likely than Medusa slipping a snake inside Wrath's body.

She can have her vectors quickly surround wrath and crush him.

Wrath is too fast for that.

Medusa has still not shown anywhere near Wrath's speed or shown any counter to his Ultimate Eye whatsoever. All Wrath has to do is dodge a few easy dodgeable Vector Arrows, bypass a few Vector Plates, and chop her head off.

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Not going to even touch your formula again. But i will correct you on one thing. I never said 5km and i never said that the bullets were mach 10 because she said hypersonic. And i never stated that azusa said her bullets were hypersonic. I said that Sid was using a sniper rifle that shot bullets across a distance of 10km in arguably 2-3 seconds, probably less. Which can be calculated at a speed of Mach 10.

1.There are two things wrong with this statement. First, you're using the formula wrong. Spidey has his Spider Sense, giving him aditional reaction time seconds. 2.Second, this is for reaction time, not the actual speed of the character. Now don't get me wrong, they are tied together, but not the same. 3.See, Mifune has 2,5 seconds of reaction time. In those 2,5 seconds, he needs to move his sword a few inches to block the bullet. His actual speed you can conclude from this is that Mifune can move his sword a few inches in 2,5 seconds. This is actual sience and basic physics. Unless you can show me I made a mistake calculating, or had some of the meassurements wrong, you can't argue with this.

1. Early spiderman's spider-sense wasn't so advanced back then it would only give him a split second to react, sometimes it wouldn't even tell him where the threat was coming from. So it was entirely up to spiderman to dodge said threats.(Also it doesn't even matter, his spider-sense had nothing to do with his higher caliber feats such as dodging bullets at point blank range or webbing bullets up before they reached him or a target and so on.) Even then, Kaine, someone who is pretty much spiderman's equal(along with the fact that he doesn't have a spider-sense) was dodging bullets effortlessly, even more impressively than wrath. So again, by your logic spiderman is hypersonic.

2. They are heavily tied together. Its called Combat speed and reaction time. Mifune falling in the combat speed and reaction speed category due to reacting and blocking the bullet coming straight at him. Now that i think about it, this argument is pointless, we can clearly see mifune in closer range blocking and dodging bullets at a far closer range than wrath when he was going up against the tank.

3.I can argue against this by telling how irrelevant it truly is and how much better you are making mifune. Distance is irrelevant. Mifune literally had his back turned to the bullet, heard the bullet coming at him and at the last freaking second knocked it away. So that means he would have to rotate his body, move his arm upwards and move his sword upwards then perceive and aim for the bullet coming at him then swat it away. Which is far more impressive than King bradley who was facing the direction of the bullets coming at him and already had a general idea of their trajectory due to the tank being right in front of him and had his arm and weapon out already. Along with the fact that THE PROJECTILE SPEED DIFFERENCE IS RIDICULOUSLY ENORMOUS.

True, but she still doesn't move faster than Wrath can see with his Ultimate Eye. Medusa doesn't have a single counter for that. And yes, she has a broom, which means she can keep spawning Vector Arrwos as her only means of attack, but Wrath could leap on them to get to Medusa, just like Death the Kid did with his skateboard. And Ox has no where near the reaction speed of Wrath, so don't even bother comparing those two.

What do you mean leap on them? Kid was grinding on them with his board. The arrows are ridiculously sharp. Jumping on them means losing a foot XD. And like i showed you she can spawn vector plates in the air strangely enough. Plus Bradley jumping after her is not wise at all, he will be far more vulnerable in the air then if he was on the ground. King Bradley is like Little Mac in the new smash brothers game. Which i will use for reference.

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He is a terror on the ground, but vulnerable and weak in the air. Heck if bradley can see weaknesses then he should be aware of this. If he jumps after her, that will make him a far and i mean far easier target, not to mention that Medusa would have better mobility than bradley would in the air if she uses her broom. Actually i welcome bradley to come after her in mid-air. That would make it so much easier to wrap him around in vectors and crush him to death.

Fun and all, but this doesn't show that Medusa has a better durability than Wrath whatsoever. And even than Medusa first needs to land a hit, something she never has shown to be capable of against someone as fast as Wrath.

COUGH COUGH stein COUGH COUGH maka COUGH

Alrighty then. You wanna open this up for voting? There is pretty much nothing left to discuss really. I will start tagging people.

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Not going to even touch your formula again. But i will correct you on one thing. I never said 5km and i never said that the bullets were mach 10 because she said hypersonic. And i never stated that azusa said her bullets were hypersonic. I said that Sid was using a sniper rifle that shot bullets across a distance of 10km in arguably 2-3 seconds, probably less. Which can be calculated at a speed of Mach 10.

If you're not gonna touch it again, I take it that you couldn't find any flaw with it. You don't have to say 5km, Sid himself did. So if we still take that 2-3 seconds it took to get there, it's only mach 5.

1. Early spiderman's spider-sense wasn't so advanced back then it would only give him a split second to react, sometimes it wouldn't even tell him where the threat was coming from. So it was entirely up to spiderman to dodge said threats.(Also it doesn't even matter, his spider-sense had nothing to do with his higher caliber feats such as dodging bullets at point blank range or webbing bullets up before they reached him or a target and so on.) Even then, Kaine, someone who is pretty much spiderman's equal(along with the fact that he doesn't have a spider-sense) was dodging bullets effortlessly, even more impressively than wrath. So again, by your logic spiderman is hypersonic.

This is just plain wrong. By the logic you're applying, Mifune can go mach 5. Sounds wrong? Yes. Wrath's reaction speed is much and much larger than Mifune's. Reaction speed is not the same as movement or combat speed. Try to keep those three appart.

2. They are heavily tied together. Its called Combat speed and reaction time. Mifune falling in the combat speed and reaction speed category due to reacting and blocking the bullet coming straight at him. Now that i think about it, this argument is pointless, we can clearly see mifune in closer range blocking and dodging bullets at a far closer range than wrath when he was going up against the tank.

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As we can see here, there are actuallt three kinds of speed. First we see his combat speed. Notice how he slices faster than the eye can see. Second, we have reaction speed, Wrath easily blocks bullets going mach 3 from a close distance. How do we know it's a close distance? He runs towards the tank, as we can see in number 3, he's pretty fast. As we can see in 3, this is his actual movement speed, and see how he runs a few hundred meters in mere seconds, even running vertically a hight of about 6 stories.

You are confusing the reaction speed with the movement speed, when you say my formula says that Spiderman is hypersonic.

Now let me explain further so you fully understand. Number 1 and 2 can be performed from a wheel chair, thus you don't need any movement speed at all. You can see Bradley standing when performing his Combat Speed, and we see Mifune standing when blocking a bullet, thus showing his Reaction Speed. Now if we look at Movement Speed, I'll take Sloth as an example. His movement speed is even faster than Wrath's, but his Reaction and Combat Speed is very slow. And having a great Reaction Speed doesn't necessarily mean a great Combat Speed. As Wrath says, he has a little trouble with keeping up with his Ultimate Eye, thus his Reaction Speed is actually even faster than his Combat Speed.

And finally, Mifune did not block bullets from a closer distance than Wrath. He blocked two ''close ranged'' bullets, but that's atleast from a 100 meters away, while Bradley blocks them from about 5 meters. Even with these slightly faster bullets, the distance makes up for that by far.

3.I can argue against this by telling how irrelevant it truly is and how much better you are making mifune. Distance is irrelevant. Mifune literally had his back turned to the bullet, heard the bullet coming at him and at the last freaking second knocked it away. So that means he would have to rotate his body, move his arm upwards and move his sword upwards then perceive and aim for the bullet coming at him then swat it away. Which is far more impressive than King bradley who was facing the direction of the bullets coming at him and already had a general idea of their trajectory due to the tank being right in front of him and had his arm and weapon out already. Along with the fact that THE PROJECTILE SPEED DIFFERENCE IS RIDICULOUSLY ENORMOUS.

How is this irrelevant? This is literally showing that Mifune has more reaction time than Wrath, and reaction time is essential for reaction speed. This also shows that this reaction speed, doesn't influence his movement speed, something Wrath outclasses him in by far.

And to be honest, it seemed more like a lucky strike than actually an effective, thought out block. He also has great trouble with it as you can see him falling when the shot hits his sword. This is far less impressive than Wrath dodging bullets from a few meters away without the slightest trouble, he just moves around them while coming closer and going for the kill. And the difference isn't all that great, given the distance as well, Wrath just has a more reaction speed, combat speed and movement speed than Mifune. This comes down to the fact that Medusa is even slower, since she lost from Stein in the end. What can we conclude from this? Wrath >>>>>>>>> Medusa in speed.

What do you mean leap on them? Kid was grinding on them with his board. The arrows are ridiculously sharp. Jumping on them means losing a foot XD. And like i showed you she can spawn vector plates in the air strangely enough. Plus Bradley jumping after her is not wise at all, he will be far more vulnerable in the air then if he was on the ground. King Bradley is like Little Mac in the new smash brothers game. Which i will use for reference.

Yeah, Kid grinded on them with his board, and the Arrows didn't even leave a scratch, so Wrath can easily leap over them. Wrath can just avoid the Vector Plates, because he has his Ultimate Eye. He has shown casually jumping from falling rubble to falling rubble, something harder to do than leaping over steady Vector Arrows, so he won't be that vulnerable. In fact, he'll probably reach Medusa before she can dish out something serious, just look at his speed, especially his vertical speed, in my gif about his movement speed (gif #3).

He is a terror on the ground, but vulnerable and weak in the air. Heck if bradley can see weaknesses then he should be aware of this. If he jumps after her, that will make him a far and i mean far easier target, not to mention that Medusa would have better mobility than bradley would in the air if she uses her broom. Actually i welcome bradley to come after her in mid-air. That would make it so much easier to wrap him around in vectors and crush him to death.

This is such a worse comparison, I'm not even gonna talk about how stupid this is.

And he won't be a much easier target, just look at his agility that he shows in almost all his fights:

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Medusa couldn't tag Maka with her Vector Arrows, and she has the agility of a potato. Okay, I take that back, Maka has some agility, but not like Wrath. And even if she had, she was just plain running in a straight line to avoid them, Wrath can do that too and twice as fast. Besides, what he shows in the second gif is when he's heavily injured.

COUGH COUGH stein COUGH COUGH maka COUGH

Neither Stein, nor Maka (especially Maka), is as fast as Wrath.

Conclusion:

Reaction Speed:

Wrath >>>>> Medusa

Combat Speed:

Wrath >>>>> Medusa

Movement Speed:

Wrath >>>>>> Medusa

Agility:

Wrath >> Medusa

Close Combat:

Wrath >>>> Medusa

Range Combat:

Medusa >>> Wrath

Durability:

Wrath >> Medusa

Ultimate Eye vs Magic:

Wrath >>>>> Medusa

Fighting Skills:

Wrath > Medusa

Overall:

Wrath >>> Medusa

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@arathorn_ii: I will reply one last time then tag people for votes. Some of the things tempted me.

You don't have to say 5km, Sid himself did. So if we still take that 2-3 seconds it took to get there, it's only mach 5.

Azusa corrected Sid and said 10KM. Mach 10. Read the fine print sir.

As we can see here, there are actuallt three kinds of speed. First we see his combat speed. Notice how he slices faster than the eye can see. Second, we have reaction speed, Wrath easily blocks bullets going mach 3 from a close distance. How do we know it's a close distance? He runs towards the tank, as we can see in number 3, he's pretty fast. As we can see in 3, this is his actual movement speed, and see how he runs a few hundred meters in mere seconds, even running vertically a hight of about 6 stories.

The exaggerations here is hilarious. First off Slicing faster than the eye can see isn't impressive like i said before people who aren't even bullet timers can do this. What about this don't you understand? Bruce lee was the first man in the world who can punch so fast that his punch could barely be perceived by his opponents, just barely by cameras. People who are not too far above a peak human can perform feats like this. Bullet timing>Faster than initial sight. I don't know why you are trying so hard to putt this home, but its not working. Second. Reaction speed and pure reflex(combat speed) are actually closely tied. Hell Wrath blocking the bullets is COMBAT SPEED anyway. As for third wrath running hundreds of meters according to you:

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Wrath is not running hundreds of meters. Thats a huge level of exaggeration on your part. 100 meters is bigger than the average size of a american football field which is 91.44 meters.

Now let me explain further so you fully understand. Number 1 and 2 can be performed from a wheel chair, thus you don't need any movement speed at all. You can see Bradley standing when performing his Combat Speed, and we see Mifune standing when blocking a bullet, thus showing his Reaction Speed. Now if we look at Movement Speed, I'll take Sloth as an example. His movement speed is even faster than Wrath's, but his Reaction and Combat Speed is very slow. And having a great Reaction Speed doesn't necessarily mean a great Combat Speed. As Wrath says, he has a little trouble with keeping up with his Ultimate Eye, thus his Reaction Speed is actually even faster than his Combat Speed.

And finally, Mifune did not block bullets from a closer distance than Wrath. He blocked two ''close ranged'' bullets, but that's atleast from a 100 meters away, while Bradley blocks them from about 5 meters. Even with these slightly faster bullets, the distance makes up for that by far.

I perfectly understand what you are saying. But Combat speed and Reaction Speed are closely together. In fact you just proved what i was trying to say this entire time by saying Number 1 and 2 can be done in a wheelchair. I never tried to hard to push movement speed in the same category. But there is a large difference between movement speed and what we like to call travel speed. Movement speed is close to combat speed. Travel speed is the speed you well travel. Would you consider agility apart of travel speed or combat speed? Agility requires quick precise movements and actually reacting to your surroundings despite your own speed. Look at Thor, he can fly at FTL speeds but his combat speed is far lesser than that of spiderman, wolverine, captain america or ironman. And is thor agile despite his jumping capabilities, flight capabilities and speed? No. People like spiderman can maneuver around him and thor cannot do a thing. You actually really helped be better explain what i wanted to say, Combat Speed and Reaction time and Movement speed(not travel speed which is more or less different) are closely linked, not 100 percent the same. We can argue about this for days it would be fruitless because of how complicated it is anyway.

You seriously need to figure out what 100 meters is. Sid was practically a few feet away from him. And even after the bullet was shot, Mifune didn't move to hit the bullet away until it was inches away from him. They were literally close enough to exchange words to each other, sid actually fought Mifune mind you.

In fact here is the anime version of the fight.

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There is not a single instant during this stage of their fight when sid decided to get closer, was he 100 meters away except maybe the first shot which is arguable. Along with the fact that he was occupied with fighting off a huge group of enemies. So he would have less time to react.

Yeah, Kid grinded on them with his board, and the Arrows didn't even leave a scratch, so Wrath can easily leap over them. Wrath can just avoid the Vector Plates, because he has his Ultimate Eye. He has shown casually jumping from falling rubble to falling rubble, something harder to do than leaping over steady Vector Arrows, so he won't be that vulnerable. In fact, he'll probably reach Medusa before she can dish out something serious, just look at his speed, especially his vertical speed, in my gif about his movement speed (gif #3).

Uh kid's board is the same board which can catch up with a train and the same board that is magically spawned by kid. So his board not getting scratched is irrelevant. You just said Wrath is using them as footstools, what happened to that argument? Wrath cannot simply avoid them because he has the ultimate eye, not only is the ultimate eye featless, The ultimate eye is practically no different from the spider-sense or the sharigan, its up to wrath to dodge what's coming at him. If Medusa tries to hit him with a swarm of giant snakes or vector arrows and he has no choice but to dodge or counter, medusa can simply spawn another arrow right below him or wrath would dodge any of her ranged attacks to simply land on another vector arrow and get sent flying.

This is such a worse comparison, I'm not even gonna talk about how stupid this is.

And he won't be a much easier target, just look at his agility that he shows in almost all his fights:

Its a perfect comparison. Little mac is has shit ton of speed and mobility on the ground, but cannot do shit in the air. Same for bradley.

Those gifs are extremely irrelevant to the points i am making. In both of those gifs Wrath still had leverage to land on and re-launch himself. Against greed he simply jumped over him, against scar he is simply jumping over pillars and using any other pillars as a bridge to scar. Medusa is going to be high in the air with her broom, if he jumps after her what will he be able to do besides swing his sword around?

  • IT will be far harder to dodge attacks in mid-air
  • It will be Easier for Medusa to dodge attacks since she is using a broom to fly around while Bradley is stuck in the air
  • The compress move would easily wrap Bradley up. He would have no way of avoiding this in mid-air.

Hopefully you see the point i am trying to make now.

Medusa couldn't tag Maka with her Vector Arrows, and she has the agility of a potato. Okay, I take that back, Maka has some agility, but not like Wrath.

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5:04-5:17 as you can see she uses her scythe in several precise ways, and she casually predicts jack the ripper's movements, and acts accordingly based on her movements.

5:18-5:22 further blocks his flurry of blows which shows how fast she is with a scythe(a weapon that is not designed for high combat speed mind you.)

5:24-5:46 From what i see here it seems she purposely lured jack to the stairs just so she can take him off balance, and use that to her advantage so she could finish jack off cleanly.

13:21-13:29 dodging guided pumpkin bombs.

All in all she showed, decent physical precision speed, and agility in the first episode.

Conclusion:

Fighting Skills: Goes to bradley, doesn't even matter tho.

Versatlity. Goes to Medusa, Bradley doesn't have much (he only has the ultimate eye which is featless, and his own fighting skills. Medusa has a wide array of vector magic to use in different ways.)

Speed: Irrelevant category, we can argue about this all day, it won't even matter since Bradley won't get close to her with long range attacks coming at him while having his movements obstructed at the same exact time.

Strength: Arguable.

Durability:Arguable.

Close Combat: As bold as it is, this goes to Medusa. She held her own against skilled close combat users such as Maka(She took on maka in the smaller and likely more troublesome body of a child) and Stein,who i am willing and bold enough to argue are as skilled or more so than wrath.(mainly stein though.) and actually trained crona.

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Along with the fact that her abilities make close combat so much easier for her.

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Combat Efficiency: Wrath's fighting style is simply hack and slash no matter how you look at it. Medusa is all about enhancements, long range attacks, stealth, confusing her opponents, and so on. So overall Medusa takes this.

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"But still... time continues to march forward. It's only natural for the rest of the world to progress with it, don't you agree? That's how nature works. And yet Professor Stein, this academy has made a point to keep that from happening. Do you really want to live in a world of stasis? Where nothing changes, you're a scientist like me. Surely you must understand." - Medusa Gorgon.

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@deathhero61 have my vote

DH has a better representation and show why Medusa take this handily

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I can't believe this was actually a thing lol

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DeathHero gets my vote. While, I can't agree with him on Mudasa being better at Close Combat. I do agree that Medusa has the necessary means to keep Bradley away from her & still kill him at the same time.

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#30  Edited By DeathHero61

@homicidalmaniac said:

@deathhero61 have my vote

DH has a better representation and show why Medusa take this handily

@sightlessreality said:

DeathHero gets my vote. While, I can't agree with him on Mudasa being better at Close Combat. I do agree that Medusa has the necessary means to keep Bradley away from her & still kill him at the same time.

Thanks for the votes.

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk said:

I can't believe this was actually a thing lol

It only became a thing because me and him were arguing about Stein vs Bradley. And he used the argument, Stein struggled against Medusa who Bradley would take down. And i disagreed and then yeah........... Now that i think about it, this match would have been far less troublesome if i used someone like maka or black star or stein who he argued was also inferior to him. But it was a good debate. I am surprised nobody is voting for him yet. Then again its only been 3 hours. What about you? Vote?

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#31 juiceboks  Moderator

Deathhero handily. Not only did he demonstrate a very solid understanding of Medusa and the characters in the Soul Eater universe by applying their skills and feats as benchmarks for Medusa quite well, but he also showed he knew a fair bit about Wrath and FMA in general which added to the logic behind his stances. Arathorn did quite a bit of lowballing Medusa and Soul Eater characters in general, while aggrandizing Bradley and his capabilities. Two things no debater should do if they want people to take their points seriously..

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#32  Edited By rirashadow4

Vote for Deathhero. Just more sound and convincing arguments from him.

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A lot of people are voting for DeathHero here, and I'm ok with that, though I'm honestly a little shocked that no one looked at the simple fact that Bradley is too fast and skilled for Medusa, and has the feats to show for it.

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Old CAV however, i want to see what people think of it so Bump.