Allen is the heaviest hitter in the Invincible universe. Here are some of Invincibles feats:
Strength:
Keep in mind those feats were probably over 2 years ago in universe time. Invincible is much stronger now, and Allen is even stronger.
Allen is way stronger then Omni-Man even, and he seems to be taking the planet level explosion better then everyone else in the last picture.
Durability:
Speed:
How strong is Allen?
That's my post for Allen, I'll post this then I'll make a Superman/Wonder Woman post, my computer already froze on me once, I don't want to chance it again.
Superman will be using Pre-Flashpoint, New 52, and possibly All-Star feats:
He is my teams MVP. He is the most powerful and versatile.
Speed:
Strength:
Durability:
Heat Vision:
I know Orion is said to be Superman level, but he lacks the extreme feats of Superman.
@allstarsuperman: Credit for the darth vader scans goes to dccomicsrule2011.
Vader is very powerful his teleknesis has lifted 20 tons before and more so he can just keep alien away with his tk
Or he can cause avalances to happen to alien or use his surroundings to throw at alien either way he can keep alien at bay for awhile.
@allstarsuperman: Orin lifited a gigantic ship during the fight with superman so hes not weak
Now granted orion dosent have as many feats as superman but he has deal with superman and beaten him on more then one occasion.
so superman wont have an easy fight matter fact it will be an bloody fight. As you can see orion is clearly a match for superman and i havent even used the astro force yet.
Strength:
These feats outclass anything Beta Ray Bill has done strength wise.
Speed:
I don't know if BRB is as slow a Thor, but I'll need to see some feats that have him keeping up with WW.
Durability:
How durable is BRB?
Weaponry:
Beta Ray Bill is a slightly weaker Thor and I'd put Wonder Woman above Thor. She pulls the win with speed, skill, and weaponry.
Allen vs Darth Vader:
I have yet to see how DV can harm Allen. I don't know how powerful a light saber is, could it cut through Allen? Is Vader's force control enough to contain Allen? Or can Allen just power through all his attacks?
Wonder Woman vs BRB: I showed you why I think WW takes the win. After she finishes she can go help Superman.
Superman vs Orion: Superman has several advantages. He has faster, stronger, and better feats. Orion held an Aircraft Carrier, Superman held the Earth. Even if they stalemate, WW or Allen will be done with their opponents in time to help.
@allstarsuperman: oh no superman you done went and done it. IK see wonder woman is tough and superman as well as alien but dont count my team just yeat.
Beta Ray bill strenght feat.
helps thor hold up asgard which is a whole world so hes just as strong as superman and ww and the rest of the dc powerhouses.
beta ray bill combat speed is so wicked he overwhelms stardust who uses cosmi powers.
now iknow wonder woman has her bracelets but let me ask you this can wonder woman handle a portal of comets to rain down on wonder woman can she handle that.
Now beta ray bill dosent have to get physical if he dosent want to. He has magic power to curse a plague which is wicked powerful.he did that in a millesecond and surfer and qussar were both there and they said it felt like a hours to them so he can cause some mystical curse to happen to wonder woman and if it affeted qussar and silver surfer who are just as powerful as wonder woman if not more.Then i would think wonder woman is in for a big suprise dont you.
beta can even cause a vortex to pull wonder woman in and then destroy her with his blast which has proven to be omptiment.
Thats enough for brb for now.Now lets adress your superman.
now you can superman is faster there about equal supes may be a lil faster. supes is not stronger than orion orion has proven that he is one of the people who have fought a bloodlusted superman to a stand still.
and hes not more powerful. now superman has a hardtime fighting darkseid. You read the issue of darkseid beating all those supermans is what darkseid is caple of and the superman that was able to beat darkseid was because the justice league was there to help supes and all those other superman in diffrent universes were all beaten by darkseid b those superman were not close with there justice league now im not saying supes is weak but i am saying he has a very hardtime with darkseid and wen it is 1 on 1 its really hard for him suree supes got lucky a few times but those were a few compared to what darkseid done and orion has actually killed darkseid.
here you can see orion kill darkseid.
So dont think superman is just walking all over orion because it not happening there are equall.Again i havent even gotten to the astro force yet.
Alien the alien is one tough dude but it can be a 5 vs 1 match see superman is suppose to have mind blocks in his mind yet he as been mind controlled and mind attacked by weak telepaths and powerful telpaths as well as wonder woman so whats to stomp darth vader whos force telapthy is very powerful whats to sthomp himn from mind controlling supes and www then have them join my team then its just alien and he cant handle all 5 of them.
your turn.
Wonder Woman vs Beta Ray Bill
BRB only lifted the capital city of Asgard, it fit over Oklahoma, and he need Thors help. The whole Asgard is only United States in size anyway. Wonder Woman has showed better strength then that. I looked up the rest of that battle too, his combat speed sure seems faster then Thors, but still not on Wonder Woman's level. Her keeping up with flash is more impressive. I also highly doubt the he will land a planet busting hit on her. As for the magic plague thing, I don't that's a very serious option, and Wonder Woman would most likely be immune as she has a high level of magic resistance.
Superman vs Orion
Superman wasn't bloodlusted in that match, and the fight stops via BFR, so we don't know who would win. Orion killed Darkseid while amped with astroforce. Superman has a vast variety of powers that Orion couldn't keep up with. Like Invisibility, intangibility, and the ability to match any frequency:
Also a non-bloodlusted Superman will definitely still have a speed advantage and will blitz in character, @citizenbane even proved this in another Superman vs Thor thread:
Yeah. Except for the times when he blitzed Mongul, blitzed Doomsday Rex, blitzed Darkseid, blitzed an Imperiex Probe, blitzed Gog, blitzed Gnarnite, blitzed a Kryptonian strike team, blitzed Deathstroke,blitzed Subjeckt 17, blitzed H/P Doomsday and BFR'd Batman before the Four Horsemen could react, it's just an excuse DC fanboys like to use to say Supes wins. Christ.....
As for what you said about Darth Vader's telepathy:
Superman has psychic resistance training given to him by J'onn and training in Torquasm Vo, (an ancient Kryptonian warrior discipline technique where the warrior can control what they think.) Superman and Dominus engaged in a mental-physical battle with Dominus using any stray thought of Superman to reshape reality. The battle ends with Superman banishing Dominus to the Phantom Zone. In the comic, "What's so funny about Truth, Justice, and the American Way?" Manchester Black stated that his psychic shields are "the best he's seen." Superman in the New 52 has resistance to telepathy as well, in action comics 12. He resists captain comets TP, then empties his mind and acts on instinct. (If he does this he'd be even more a threat to your team.) Also in Superman 8 Helspont puts a telepathy bug thing in Supes mouth and he resists it.
I would think Wonder Woman being your favorite character and all, you would know that TP doesn't work on her. Wonder Woman got the eyes of Pallas upgrade during Rucka's run which allowed her to fight Maxwell Lord in 'Sacrifice' and snap his neck, and has been immune to TP ever since.
Allen also has TP, so Darth Vader TP shouldn't be a huge facter in this fight.
@allstarsuperman: thats the point orion has the astro force in this fight.Also what you said about supes and ww is true to an extinct yes they have resisted telepaths before but for the most part they have been controlled before despero mind controlled the whole justice leage including superman and wonder woman all that is in justie league consience. read those issues there great but martian has tp attacked them as well as matter of face hector not to long ago mind controlled superman and orion had to get him out so yea.
you should read justice league consicence.. In that issue despero mind controled the justice leave with his tp even superman wonder woman where affected by this so there not resisant to tp it depends on the tp and superman has been tp by other people. And i stated before hector was reacently in superman head he had superman controlled and it was orion who got hector out if it wasnt for orion supes would still be mind controlled by hector.
ok wonder woman with magic resistant not really true see wonderwman enemy circe is all about magic and she has a hard time with her circe with her magic has done all kinds of stuff she even took away wonder woman powers before.
it dosent matter what supes has i have done showed you scans of orion killing darkseid and besting superman and that the pont so yea supes has other abilities dosent matter all that much because again i shown you orion beating supes and killing darkseid yea he had the force in that fight but remember he has the astro force in this fight as well. If orion was able to stalemate superman without the astro force imagine what he caple of now.
orion astro force is caple of planent busting.
Not only that the astro force can even act as a shield to it can shield orion from superman attacks.
Here another feat for orion deafeating superman yet again this time with the astro force which he has in this fight.
so thats enough for orion and superman.
marvel comics states that thor hammer weighing 225.6 billion US tons now thats heavy now it dosent crack anything when he lays it down bc of the magic on it plaed by odin now thor has also liftied his uncle cul who is a gigantic snake who was said to weigh as much as the earth. thor was alos said to lift the world tree which was suppose to be 7 sextillion tons and let me ask you this? if beta ray bill has the exact same kind of hammer with powers and all and the exact same strenght and is more ruthless you really think wonder woman just gonna walk all over him i think not and brb was powerful before he got stormbreaker he was killing armies and wat not so hes far from a slouch.
now beta ray bill has fought surfer to a standstill.
when has wonder woman fought someone on surfer level.
How many times can wonder woman take a shot from starbreaker to the head.
he has also has pulled off a nano second reaction feat thsts impressive so its not like ww will blitzs brb
surfer was going full speed in that issue ass well so if brb can content with surfer speed iknow he can content with ww speed no problem.
then we comeback to allen the alien.
Vader can cause blur images motions to happen using his lightsaber to blind alien
vader is one of the strongest force useers there are in the star wars universe. Vader will crush allen lungs before he even gets a chance to react and then when alien is trying to figue out about his lungs he will get his head chopped off by vader lightsaber.
Darth Vader's TP:
I looked up a couple respect threads of DV's, his TP is not Despero level at all. And he can only influence the "weak" minded, TPing will not be a option in this fight. Unless, you have feats of his TP vs a worthy opponent?
Allen vs Darth Vader:
After looking up DV, I really don't see him as a threat to Allen, His TK is boulder and building level, and Allen is way above that. Invincible flew through an unstable planet, and Allen > Invincible. I also am not sure the lightsaber will be a threat as Invincible was able to take Furnace's attacks, who has the body of Magma:
Wonder Woman vs Beta Ray Bill:
So you've convinced me that Beta Ray Bill is fast, but there's no way to tell that SS was going full speed in that fight. Also BRB may have a great weapon, but Wonder Woman still has the speed and skill to pull the win. She has taken on a bloodlusted/mind controlled Superman:
Superman vs Orion:
I wouldn't just count out all of Superman's powers like that. Superman still has greater speed then Orion and could dodge a lot of his attacks. If you wouldn't mind could you post the rest of Superman vs Astro-Force Orion's battle, cause I doubt it was only a one page fight? Superman could hold out long enough for Allen to back him up. As Allen can handle DV really easy, (so it seems at the moment). If Allen and Superman cant beat Orion combined, then Wonder Woman will still be there to help out after beating BRB.
@oceanmaster21: Orion beat a younger, weaker, less experienced Superman. A Superman who, upon waking up, easily sent Orion flying for a loop with 1 punch. A Superman who, a few issues later, tanked a direct hit from Darkseid's Omega Effect, and immediately after took a sustained blast from DS for at least a few panels (sure, Supes was messed up from it, but still alive and conscious).
I copied that^ from someone, but its a valid point. I think there's not a whole lot left to say for this battle but, ill make this a closing post.
Orion has a power advantage, but Superman makes up for it with speed, skill, and experience:
Superman is highly advanced in hand-to-hand combat because of his training from the best. He learned boxing techniques from Wildcat, fighting techniques from Mongul, melee techniques from Wonder Woman, and (advanced) martial arts techniques from Batman. He also knows two ancient Kryptonian disciplines named Torquasm Vo and Torquasm Rao, that prevent physical and mental domination.
Some of Superman's fighting feats:
If anybody can take on Orion...
So for the others I still see Allen powering right through Darth Vader and going to help out WW or Superman. In the end I believe my team would win. I am ready for votes if you are?
@allstarsuperman: orion astro force has been able to block somepower attacks from the anti life equation. hes also been able to block darkseid omega beams as well.
orion fighting feats
beating kalkibak in h2h
beating lightray in h2h
fighting the first born
stalemating supes
beating supes
killing darkseid.
now your last scan showed supes hitting orion and kncoking him back ok usally everyone who supes hits get knocked back but look at your scan orion didnt seem that fased by it orion has taken hits from supes and smiled in my earlier scans you can see them it small but you can see it. And supes hit orion knoked him back when orion actually knocked out superman so if orion was bloodlusted supes would be killed by the astro force.
you said supes wins bcause of skill no orion is just as skilled and experienced he grew up on aopokolips hes the son of darkseid you dont think hes just as experienced as superman comon bro. as far as the others.
beta ray bill has put a big chip in galactus armor now you might think thats not impresive but you know as well as i do how powerful galactus is and for brb to be able to crak his armor is a good feat at least in my book.
My point is ikno how tough wonder woman is but how many stormbreaker hits to the head or the jaw do you think she can handle not very many especially if there going as fast as the sans i have showed.
Vader can stall allen long enough for orion or brb to come to his aid. With the astro force beta ray bill lighting and vader fore and skill set my team will walk away the victors.
Alright now im ready for voting
@oceanmaster21: oh wait 2 more things, Wonder Woman has survived being punched from the sun to earth by superman, (a feat for both of them.) She is hurt bad, but she can probably take many hits from BRB.
And if Superman speeds up his senses, Orion cant touch him at all.
so supes is not that far above orion if at all. supes has hardtimes with darkseid even when supes gives his morals up darkseid still gives him hell orion has astro force which killed darkseid i dont see supes surviving astro force. And as far as your scan impressive but thats supes fist brb hammer stormbreaker hits harder than supes fist anyday.
wonder woman almost died from being blasted by captain atom. A Powerful blast from brb should take care of wonder woman.
and it was metioned brb blast were in nano seconds can ww handle powerful blast coming at her at that magnitude. And if brb wants to he can always sepertae your team using storms winds tornados whatever he feels like doing.
and if supes gets hit by brb lighting hes out we have seen on more then one ocassion supes get taken out by magic lighting so you dont think someone like brb lighting who comes from odin himself think again.
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