Catman vs Shrike

Can the man who was always a notch under Dick Grayson defeat the character who thinks "styles are for idiots?" 
 
 

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Shrike 
 

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Im not really sure.
Shrike was impressive in his first showings but after that it seemed like he just jobbed. Despite that, I think placing him a notch below Dick is accurate as far as his fighting skill goes

Shrike should go down, he did well first appearance(but keep in mind he only beat Dick when he was already injured),but after that showing jobbed constantly to Grayson. Even to the point of where an angry Grayson casually defeats him in several moves.

Im not really sure. Shrike was impressive in his first showings but after that it seemed like he just jobbed. Despite that, I think placing him a notch below Dick is accurate as far as his fighting skill goes

Is there a "battles idea" thread?

Is there a "battles idea" thread?

@k4tzm4n: No problemo.

catman wins. i dont know how much he improved after training under shiva but before it he lost twice to dick won once. the win was due to his henchmen getting a drop on him and roughing him up.shortly after after loosing to him and  gotten a pinata beating by the henchmen dick took shrike down and if it wasnt for canary yelling him to stop he would have killed him.the second win was on bluckbuster's mansion unable to land a single hit.as much as he might have improved its hard to believe he would make a leap big  enough   to beat a person that bested him completely.if hes unable to beat dick hes unable to beat catman who has.......done some mighty impressive showings against batman and bronze tiger.

@k4tzm4n said:

Is there a "battles idea" thread?

There's a battles brainstorming thread. 

....and who can resist Catman's ruggish good looks? 

Catman has never made sense to me. Can someone please explain what level of skill he has and why?

 
@Morpheus_: Just imagine if he had a moustache.   

@Telcalipoca said:

catman wins. i dont know how much he improved after training under shiva but before it he lost twice to dick won once. the win was due to his henchmen getting a drop on him and roughing him up.shortly after after loosing to him and gotten a pinata beating by the henchmen dick took shrike down and if it wasnt for canary yelling him to stop he would have killed him.the second win was on bluckbuster's mansion unable to land a single hit.as much as he might have improved its hard to believe he would make a leap big enough to beat a person that bested him completely.if hes unable to beat dick hes unable to beat catman who has.......done some mighty impressive showings against batman and bronze tiger.

Catman's skilled, but he's not as skilled as Dick. That's a misuse of ABC logic, IMO. That's like saying just because somebody beat X-23, they can beat Wolverine. While the characters are similar and have somewhat similar feats, one has feats that far exceeds the other and does them on a constantttttttt basis. Not to mention that Catman's (arguably) best feats (stalemating Batman, although the circumstances are iffy) and his fight with Bronze Tiger are dubiously written at best. Gail Simone has a tendency to fanwank every now and then.

@Morpheus_ said:

@velle37 said:

Catman has never made sense to me. Can someone please explain what level of skill he has and why?

He hasn't had many showings. He had a fairly equal fight with Batman, but Bruce was far from going all out and they even chatted during their encounter. Then, there is the infamous fight with Bronze Tiger, in which Catman lands three consecutive strikes, and when Ben smiles, and wonders "how a punk managed to do that" he replied "you have a defense for every style, but styles are for f###ing idiots", and proceeded to bite him in the jugular. Tiger got exceedingly irked, and put him down in one page flat before passing out due to blood loss. He briefly fought Red Robin in Tim's own book, and was having the upper hand, with Tim thinking some nonsese about him (Catman) being on the list of villains he wouldn't want to fight, along with names like Doomsday, and the Anti-Monitor. Finally, he kind of fought Bane (who wasn't fighting back, but the whole encounter was more so a discussion), made him bleed, but when Bane actually decided to fight him, he grabbed his fist and put him on his knees just by tightening his grip around it.

As for why, well, he trained with some lions.

Prettyyyyyyyy sure I have these scans if anybody wants/needs them. I know I have the Batman ones.

@Morpheus_ said:

@Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:

@k4tzm4n said:

Is there a "battles idea" thread?

There's a battles brainstorming thread.

Good find, I didn't even remember that.

I have a random memory for threads and their titles ;)

@Morpheus_ said:

Definitely not Gail.

LMAO.

                    @Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:

@k4tzm4n said:

                    Is there a "battles idea" thread?

                   

               

There's a battles brainstorming thread. 

Good find, I didn't even remember that. 

 

....and who can resist Catman's ruggish good looks? 

                   

               

 

Definitely not Gail.
 

 
@velle37 said:

                    Catman has never made sense to me. Can someone please explain what level of skill he has and why?

                   

               

 
He hasn't had many showings. He had a fairly equal fight with Batman, but Bruce was far from going all out and they even chatted during their encounter. Then, there is the infamous fight with Bronze Tiger, in which Catman lands three consecutive strikes, and when Ben smiles, and wonders "how a punk managed to do that" he replied "you have a defense for every style, but styles are for f###ing idiots", and proceeded to bite him in the jugular. Tiger got exceedingly irked, and put him down in one page flat before passing out due to blood loss. He briefly fought Red Robin in Tim's own book, and was having the upper hand, with Tim thinking some nonsese about him (Catman) being on the list of villains he wouldn't want to fight, along with names like Doomsday, and the Anti-Monitor. Finally, he kind of fought Bane (who wasn't fighting back, but the whole encounter was more so a discussion), made him bleed, but when Bane actually decided to fight him, he grabbed his fist and put him on his knees just by tightening his grip around it.
 
As for why, well, he trained with some lions.

                   

               

Catman fought Cheshire and she wasn't able to land a single hit, if that means much. Cheshire definitely isn't the greatest.

Catman fought Cheshire and she wasn't able to land a single hit, if that means much. Cheshire definitely isn't the greatest.

@HumanNumber said:

Catman fought Cheshire and she wasn't able to land a single hit, if that means much. Cheshire definitely isn't the greatest.

When was this? That shouldn't happen since Cheshire is (or was) one of the best fighters in the DCU. She has ancient martial knowledge that very few others have, has owned Deathstroke, gotten the upper hand on Nightwing a few times as well. Black Canary has rightfully expressed her fear of Cheshire, despite the PIS showing where BC appears to beat and apprehend her. Since then Cheshire has had increasingly poorer showings, DS has roughed her with little resistance recently. But Chesh should still be far above Catman.

@velle37 said:

@HumanNumber said:

Catman fought Cheshire and she wasn't able to land a single hit, if that means much. Cheshire definitely isn't the greatest.

When was this? That shouldn't happen since Cheshire is (or was) one of the best fighters in the DCU. She has ancient martial knowledge that very few others have, has owned Deathstroke, gotten the upper hand on Nightwing a few times as well. Black Canary has rightfully expressed her fear of Cheshire, despite the PIS showing where BC appears to beat and apprehend her. Since then Cheshire has had increasingly poorer showings, DS has roughed her with little resistance recently. But Chesh should still be far above Catman.

wow. i dont know much about her but i thought she was on the same  level as roy . so she was great fighter and dc has downplayed her? or was great but got slouchy and surpassed?

Pretty sure it was Beatboks who seriously educated me on Cheshire. Lady was a BAMF. 

...I thought this thread was about the literary Shrike, who can manipulate time in ridiculous ways and bring alternate versions of itself, vs Catman.  I am disappoint. ._.

@HumanNumber said:

Catman fought Cheshire and she wasn't able to land a single hit, if that means much. Cheshire definitely isn't the greatest.

When was this? That shouldn't happen since Cheshire is (or was) one of the best fighters in the DCU. She has ancient martial knowledge that very few others have, has owned Deathstroke, gotten the upper hand on Nightwing a few times as well. Black Canary has rightfully expressed her fear of Cheshire, despite the PIS showing where BC appears to beat and apprehend her. Since then Cheshire has had increasingly poorer showings, DS has roughed her with little resistance recently. But Chesh should still be far above Catman.

Catman.

@texasdeathmatch: 
lol.  I don't like or dislike the character, but I do think his high-end feats (regardless of circumstances) are ridiculous.

Shrike takes this, Catman is a great adaptive fighter and thinks quick on his feat. I just don't think he has what it takes on a H2H level to take the win for this battle. Yes sure Shrike is poorly written and when he is written correctly he is amongst the deadliest in the world. Catman has been given some very impressive feats but at the same time he has not shown anything that puts him on the same H2H combat as Shrike. that's why I give him the win over Blake.

Catman takes Shrike. Has Shrike ever had a legitimate win against someone other than Tim Drake?

Stll Catman comes off as being more impressive, and Shrike a wannabe.