Cassandra Cain VS Constantine Drakon

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Whatever morals they have are off.

Fight to the death in an empty street.

Both unarmed.

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@the_red_viper: haven't read Cains run. sorry.

@funsiized: Damn you to Hades.

@the_red_viper: Been there, Done that, Wasn't impressed.

Don't know much about comic Drakon but he wasn't impressive in the arrow show

Really? Well... that's... disappointing, I guess...

Polar differences between the 2. TV Drakon was a slouch, comic Drakon can do this:

@the_red_viper: Is this Cain or Barbs?

EDIT: Just read the title lol.

I know Drakon is fast. He popped a guy with a knife undetected despite all attention on him. This'll be close but I'm leaning towards Cain due to more feats. I tried finding something on Drakon but found nothing.

Oooo. I hate having to go against my girl here but Drakon has metahuman speed and excellent fighting skills. He might be too fast for her to read. Especially with morals off.

@pokeysteve: How is Drakon compared to Deathstroke?

I'd say noticeably faster but not as smart or strong. I think Drakon might take a small majority. Cass could have trouble repeatedly reacting to him.

Constantine drakon takes this. He didn't really have a lot of showings but considering how he was basically blitzing connor hawke I don't see cass taking him. She will make him work for it though.

I don't think it's considered meta human if it was achieved by training alone, and not the effect of some outside source.

Drakon beat up Connor, didn't he? I'd go with him

Green arrow refereed to him as a "super speeding freak" or something along those lines. Possibly hyperbole all though considering his feats it would seem he is.

Yea. He made it look easy too.

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@jashro44: Wouldn't Cass beat Connor as well?

Pretty sure this was done. Drakon should win this.

I would say yes. But I don't think it would be easy.

Wait, I thought Connor beat Drakon? Like stabbed him with a knife or something?

Regardless, Cass beat Shiva. Something I can't recall Drakon doing, at least, not to my knowledge.

Jmarshmallow

Cool fight. I'll go with Drakon because Cass has been known to job.

Drakon never fought shiva however if you compare how he performed against connor vs how shiva performed Drakon did better.

As for the knife instance Drakon leaped, Connor tried to use his own momentum to cut him deep but Drakon rolled out of the air in mid leap (he did get cut but not as deep as intended). He was stabbed from behind by someone else IIRC.

@jashro44: Oh really? Alright then, I have nothing else to base my opinion on, so it seems that I'm going with Drakon.

Good matchup nonetheless.

Jmarshmallow

Maybe. Don't count on it.

Well yeah he stabbed him but that was only the beginning of the fight. Drakon gave him hell though and Connor only beat him (on both their fights) by outsmarting him and having Mia with him.

And Cass beating Shiva, in my very honest opinion, is huge PIS. Cass isn't THAT good.

KINGPIN

Kingpin is an extreme case.

still

it's possible to achieve meta-human stats through training alone

Elektra is a good example for this

@nobody134: I think that by definition metahuman abilities cannot be achieved by training. Meta-human=above human, and as long as a human achieved his level of skill without the help of an outside source, it's not above human. Above average human, no doubt, but not above human.

By defenition alone, you are correct.

But in comics that's not the case.

Elektra is capable of speedblitzing peak humans and the kingpin can fight on equal ground with spiderman, both strength and speed-wise.

Yes she is....I believe the record is currently 3-1 in cassandras favor. I know she has more then one win so its consistent.

Scans? Something? I really don't remember Cass beating Shiva more than once. Shiva's probably DC's number 1 fighter if you throw Karate Kid out of the equation.

@the_red_viper: I think theres a 3rd time but I can't remember so don't quote me on that:

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@jashro44: Weird, I don't remember seein that 1st one. Anyhow, Shiva's considered DC number one fighter (again, aside from KK). Many people said so (Batman, Connor Hawke, etc). The most logical explaination I can find for Cass beating her is the villain syndrome. She really isn't supposed to be THAT good.

She is actually. As far as the argument of shiva being considered DC's number one fighter I disagree. I don't take character statements as valid proof. Cass has a better track record then I have seen from Shiva IMO. Shivas good but I consider Cassandra to be better.

@jashro44: Losing here to Cass (and once to Richard Dragon) are the only times I've ever seen Shiva lose.

Bump.