@slimj87d said:
@nickzambuto:
You're right about the Octocamo, I haven't played MGS4 in ages.
I think you're undermining Cassie and even Todd if you're saying they' (MGS team) are vastly superior tactically and at stealth.
Tactics is debateable. Every game spanning all the way back to MG1 and MG2 has always had both Snakes connected to a specialist in nearly every field. Since it's led up to gameplay mechanics, you don't know how much credit to give to Snake or Snake and his team together.
Stealth as a skill I would say is also debatable. But the the Octocamo, I will give them the advantage there.
I would use the word "vastly" if it's not debatable without question, like Flash vs Quicksilver at speed, Flash having far more speed feats.
I would give the Snakes the stealth, strength and Endurance advantage due to the Octocamo. But they don't have the equipment to overcome the all baldes and sword coupled with the armor. Cassandra has above average senses, specially in smell. I don't remember the Octocamo masking smell. Working together with Jason, she can warn him before anything critical happens when the Snakes try and get a stealth attack.
Here she detects a invisible enemy through smell alone and predicts their attack.
http://i.imgur.com/MwypTox.jpg
Here she is able to sense League members in the trees and catches all their shurikens
http://i.imgur.com/bGWdqGw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/89A7UzD.jpg
Cassandra has a skill and speed advantage.
Their stealth will only help them get close. But they don't have anyone on the radio that can give them intel about their foes. The fight will become close quarters no matter what, and the stun knives and lack of armor from the Octocamo won't make up for the All Blades and a skilled and fast Cassie using a Katanna.
What about in the original MG when Snake's support team didn't do anything, and his one constant contact, Big Boss, was actively feeding him bad information every chance he got? When Snake would run right into ambushes according to Big Boss's directions, he would have to find unorthodox escape routes while deducing that the course of action Big Boss recommends ("Hide in that truck!" "Go through that door!") actually leads to traps. And this was before Snake knew about Big Boss's treachery, so he had no reason not to trust him. He was just smart enough to realize Big Boss was wrong, while simultaneously finding a new exit, all before he could get shot. Did you know that if you call Big Boss after equipping the cardboard box, he'll actually laugh at Snake and say that idea won't work? In retrospect, we know that Big Boss of all people knew how useful a cardboard box was, and that's exactly why he tried to deter Snake from using it, because he wanted Snake to fail. But apparently, Snake saw on his own the ways he could use a cardboard box, and it became his most deadly weapon.
If Snake is so ingenuitive and such a quick thinker that he can save the day using an object as mundane and simplistic as a cardboard box, then certainly with all the gear given to him in the OP, in an environment like the jungle, he'll be able to do something quite dangerous. Something that Jason Todd, isn't experienced enough to match.
There's a reason Solid Snake is known as the greatest expert in on-site procurement and improvisation in the world. He EARNED the nickname "The man who makes the impossible, possible." His support team feeds him intel, they aren't the ones who told him to form a makeshift flamethrower out of junk in Big Boss's office when he lost all his weapons, and they certainly didn't tell him how exactly he was supposed to get up close to the greatest soldier in history and blast him with it before getting shot. His support team didn't tell him how to defeat Vulcan Raven, a giant shaman mystic invincible to conventional weaponry and sprinting around with a gatling gun. Snake came up with a strategy on his own, planting explosives and luring Raven into the traps all without ever being seen. His support team certainly didn't tell him how to infiltrate Arsenal Gear once it had submerged, outsmarting Solidus, Ocelot and The Patriots all at once by using Raiden as bait, only to rescue him safely as soon as the time came.
For Big Boss's part, let's not forget he was the LEADER of everything ever since Peace Walker. He was the boss, so he certainly didn't have anyone telling him what to do. Nobody told him how to combat The Patriots for years and years and years, or how to outsmart every Government in the world and somehow steal all nuclear weapons that exist for Zanzibarland. Could Jason Todd come this close to literally taking over the world? I don't think so. You know the only reason Big Boss didn't succeed? Literally, the only thing that got in his way, without which he literally would have succeeded in taking over the world?
It was Solid Snake. The other guy involved in this battle. So hopefully, you understand why I don't think the Bats stand a chance.
Stealth should work out just fine. Again, I point you to the fact that both Snakes have already used stealth to defeat foes like Vulcan Raven, Vamp, The End, and Gene. There, case closed. Those characters all have literal superhuman senses and spatial awareness, through whatever means (ESP, mystical training). And unlike, say, Batman, who has training to ghost a Kryptonian here and there but never does anything worthwhile with his stealth in combat, the Snakes specialize in actually using their stealth to fight.
I'm afraid I don't really follow your logic with those scans. Yes, Cassie's senses are a lot more advanced than normal people, but her ability to detect canon fodder trying to sneak up on her proves she can detect Solid Snake?
Big Boss is a hunter and survivalist, so he has a special advantage in this environment. The Snakes don't wear perfume and won't smell like strawberries, they'll smell like the dirt and muck that they've been plodding through the whole time they were planning this fight. Not to mention, they don't need to get as close as the enemies in those scans did to Cass. They're smarter than that. They have firearms. They have grenades. With such a HUGE environmental and gear advantage, I really think you'd have to just be biased to think the Snakes wouldn't work out a superior strategy. Unless you're going to argue that The Red Hood is better in a jungle than The End, the guy who is a PART of nature.
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