#1 Posted by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage Vs. The Wrecking Crew

rules

random encounter

standard equipment

morals on

location: New York, Unpopulated, 20 Yards apart

who wins and why?

#2 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6183 posts) - - Show Bio

Hm. If the Wrecking Crew are at full power they stand a good chance at winning. They've collectively kicked the crap out of Herc before and have actually given Thor a fight. Then they also job quite a bit ... I know they had been downgraded for a time to 10 tonners, if this is still the case Carnage stomps.

I'll side (for now) with a full powered WC.

#3 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Wrecking Crew.

#4 Posted by jashro44 (19794 posts) - - Show Bio

If this is current carnage he can infect them with the symbiote. I am still tempted to give it to carnage even if its not current carnage because the wrecking crew do not impress me...Not sure though they have some moments...

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#5 Posted by GrandSymbiote94 (11524 posts) - - Show Bio

The WC their Thor villains for a reason.

#6 Posted by _slim_ (13058 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage.

#7 Posted by blackdemon (1199 posts) - - Show Bio

I give this to the Wrecking Crew. Carnage might make them struggle, but we're talking about a bunch of guys who take on Thor and make him work for his victory, and Carnage wouldn't stand an appreciable chance against Thor.

#8 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@GrandSymbiote94 said:
The WC their Thor villains for a reason.
They are Thor villains who have been soloed by Iron Fist. 
 
Carnage should have this.
#9 Posted by GrandSymbiote94 (11524 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
@GrandSymbiote94 said:
The WC their Thor villains for a reason.
They are Thor villains who have been soloed by Iron Fist.  Carnage should have this.
Are you serious?
#10 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@GrandSymbiote94 said:
@Ferro Vida said:
@GrandSymbiote94 said:
The WC their Thor villains for a reason.
They are Thor villains who have been soloed by Iron Fist.  Carnage should have this.
Are you serious?
#11 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage.

#12 Posted by GrandSymbiote94 (11524 posts) - - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
@GrandSymbiote94 said:
@Ferro Vida said:
@GrandSymbiote94 said:
The WC their Thor villains for a reason.
They are Thor villains who have been soloed by Iron Fist.  Carnage should have this.
Are you serious?
I didn't know they were that bad.  
 
Carnage wins with ease.
#13 Posted by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

@GrandSymbiote94 said:
@Ferro Vida said:
@GrandSymbiote94 said:
The WC their Thor villains for a reason.
They are Thor villains who have been soloed by Iron Fist. Carnage should have this.
Are you serious?

Thoughs scans are PIS or maybe even WIS

#14 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@mavfan626: No they aren't. Wrecking Crew is not that great. They have also been hurt by Ronin (Clint)'s sword, and were beaten down by New Excalibur without any trouble.
#15 Edited by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

@mavfan626: No they aren't. Wrecking Crew is not that great. They have also been hurt by Ronin (Clint)'s sword, and were beaten down by New Excalibur without any trouble.

I doesn't matter who else beats The Wrecking Crew, you do known the power they have right? someone like Iron Fist shouldn't be able to KO them without Chi its that simple.

#16 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@mavfan626 said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@mavfan626: No they aren't. Wrecking Crew is not that great. They have also been hurt by Ronin (Clint)'s sword, and were beaten down by New Excalibur without any trouble.

I doesn't matter who else beats The Wrecking Crew, you do known the power they have right? someone like Iron Fist shouldn't be able to KO them without Chi is that simple.

Piledriver was also taken down by Sage with a kick. And IF took out Bulldozer and Wrecker by smashing them into each other.
#17 Posted by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

@mavfan626 said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@mavfan626: No they aren't. Wrecking Crew is not that great. They have also been hurt by Ronin (Clint)'s sword, and were beaten down by New Excalibur without any trouble.

I doesn't matter who else beats The Wrecking Crew, you do known the power they have right? someone like Iron Fist shouldn't be able to KO them without Chi is that simple.

Piledriver was also taken down by Sage with a kick. And IF took out Bulldozer and Wrecker by smashing them into each other.

Probably PIS as well.. What I'm saying is character without superhuman stats shouldn't be able to take out the Wrecking Crew, more often then not they have been up against characters who do have superhuman stats and not been KO'd. I think Iron Fist with Chi could beat the Wrecking Crew but without it makes me think it's WIS.

#18 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@mavfan626 said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@mavfan626 said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@mavfan626: No they aren't. Wrecking Crew is not that great. They have also been hurt by Ronin (Clint)'s sword, and were beaten down by New Excalibur without any trouble.

I doesn't matter who else beats The Wrecking Crew, you do known the power they have right? someone like Iron Fist shouldn't be able to KO them without Chi is that simple.

Piledriver was also taken down by Sage with a kick. And IF took out Bulldozer and Wrecker by smashing them into each other.

Probably PIS as well.. What I'm saying is character without superhuman stats shouldn't be able to take out the Wrecking Crew, more often then not they have been up against characters who do have superhuman stats and not been KO'd. I think Iron Fist with Chi could beat the Wrecking Crew but without it makes me think it's WIS.

Iron Fist had Chi throughout this fight. He just didn't use his Iron Fist one Piledriver. 
 
Btw, Sage kicked him in the balls.
#19 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6183 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida: Keep in mind, like I said, Wrecking Crew was seriously powered down for quite a while. I'd be curious to know which 'Wrecking Crew' it was IF beat down. They haven't been the 50+ ton Crew for quite some time ...

#20 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Ferro Vida: Keep in mind, like I said, Wrecking Crew was seriously powered down for quite a while. I'd be curious to know which 'Wrecking Crew' it was IF beat down. They haven't been the 50+ ton Crew for quite some time ...

They didn't actually land a hit on him, and the only thing that might affect is his hit on Pile Driver.
#21 Edited by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

Iron Fist had Chi throughout this fight. He just didn't use his Iron Fist one Piledriver. Btw, Sage kicked him in the balls.

and kicked Bulldozer(? the guy with the wrecking ball) rendering him incapable of fighting anymore..

I'm sure Saga kick was for comical effect.

#22 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6183 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Ferro Vida: Keep in mind, like I said, Wrecking Crew was seriously powered down for quite a while. I'd be curious to know which 'Wrecking Crew' it was IF beat down. They haven't been the 50+ ton Crew for quite some time ...

They didn't actually land a hit on him, and the only thing that might affect is his hit on Pile Driver.

It's no surprise they couldn't lay a mitt on him. Iron Fist is far beyond their pay grade skill wise. But if they were their regular 50 - 60 ton selves, able to take a blow or three from the likes of Hercules and Thor, then Danny knocking them on their collective arses without completely unloading with the fist is highly unlikely IMO. It appears it's the Wrecking Crew that was depowered and had to share in the Wrecker's strength levels divided amongst themselves ... either that or they became glass cannons overnight.

Either way, they have far more impressive showings than that.

#23 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@mavfan626 said:

@Ferro Vida said:

Iron Fist had Chi throughout this fight. He just didn't use his Iron Fist one Piledriver. Btw, Sage kicked him in the balls.

and kicked Bulldozer(? the guy with the wrecking ball) rendering him incapable of fighting anymore..

I'm sure Saga kick was for comical effect.

Probably, but it happened. 
 
What? He threw Bulldozer into Wrecker and destroyed Thunderball's weapon. 
 
@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Ferro Vida said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Ferro Vida: Keep in mind, like I said, Wrecking Crew was seriously powered down for quite a while. I'd be curious to know which 'Wrecking Crew' it was IF beat down. They haven't been the 50+ ton Crew for quite some time ...

They didn't actually land a hit on him, and the only thing that might affect is his hit on Pile Driver.

It's no surprise they couldn't lay a mitt on him. Iron Fist is far beyond their pay grade skill wise. But if they were their regular 50 - 60 ton selves, able to take a blow or three from the likes of Hercules and Thor, then Danny knocking them on their collective arses without completely unloading with the fist is highly unlikely IMO. It appears it's the Wrecking Crew that was depowered and had to share in the Wrecker's strength levels divided amongst themselves ... either that or they became glass cannons overnight.

Either way, they have far more impressive showings than that.

I believe you. None of them are recent.
#24 Edited by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

What? He threw Bulldozer into Wrecker and destroyed Thunderball's weapon.

Sorry I meant to say Thunderball, yes he destroyed his weapon but in the next panel he kicks him which renders him incapable of fighting. Which is wis imo.

#25 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@mavfan626: Did you read the scans? He was in shock that IF had destroyed his weapon and taken his strongest attack. He knew that there was nothing else he could do at that point.
#26 Posted by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida: I can't, the scan is to small.

#27 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@mavfan626: Right click and open it in a new tab.
#28 Posted by space_coyote (1132 posts) - - Show Bio

@mavfan626: You said morals on but isn't Carnage naturally bloodlusted 24/7? Either way I say he takes it.

#29 Posted by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida: Tried it, I even saved the scan to my computer and tried zooming in but still can't see it cleaqr enough.

#30 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

Please someone post the wrecking crew's other fight with iron fist! please! they don't always job that much.....

#31 Posted by Ferro Vida (34674 posts) - - Show Bio
@mavfan626: Well alright then.
#32 Edited by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

@space_coyote said:

@mavfan626: You said morals on but isn't Carnage naturally bloodlusted 24/7? Either way I say he takes it.

True.

@Thor's hammmer said:

Please someone post the wrecking crew's other fight with iron fist! please! they don't always job that much.....

Thor vs Wrecking Crew, from Thor #304:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ngCrew01304.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ckingCrew02.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ckingCrew03.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ckingCrew04.jpg

Thor vs Wrecking Crew again, from Thor vol. 2 #29:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...gCrew05v229.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ckingCrew06.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...ckingCrew07.jpg

I found these on these ^ on the KMC site

^ them I already had and there I a pretty good fight between The Wrecking Crew and Sasquatch, I can't post it but if any else can that would be great.

Editted: found them.

1. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/OmegaFlight01pg17_18.jpg

2. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/OmegaFlight01pg19_20.jpg

3. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/OmegaFlight01pg21.jpg

4. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/OmegaFlight01pg22.jpg

5. http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/OmegaFlight01pg23.jpg*

#33 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

@mavfan626:

I meant iron fist's other fights with the wrecking crew.

#34 Posted by mavfan626 (4121 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thor's hammmer said:

@mavfan626:

I meant iron fist's other fights with the wrecking crew.

Sorry I miss read your post, also I didn't think Iron Fist had more then the one fight with the Wrecking Crew

#35 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

@mavfan626 said:

@Thor's hammmer said:

@mavfan626:

I meant iron fist's other fights with the wrecking crew.

Sorry I miss read your post, also I didn't think Iron Fist had more then the one fight with the Wrecking Crew

He did, and he lost. Badly.

#36 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

@mavfan626 said:

@Thor's hammmer said:

@mavfan626:

I meant iron fist's other fights with the wrecking crew.

Sorry I miss read your post, also I didn't think Iron Fist had more then the one fight with the Wrecking Crew

This is what it's like when they don't job. Iron fist is powerless to stop them.

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-05.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-06.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-07.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-08.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-09.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-10.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-11.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-12.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-14.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-15.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-16.jpg

http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/IronFist11-AFineDaysDying-17.jpg

#37 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6183 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thor's hammmer: Love how the dialogue makes the WC sound like Jersey Shore rejects. Lol.

But the WC do indeed have higher end feats that should see them collectively beating Carnage IMO.

#38 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7184 posts) - - Show Bio

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Thor's hammmer: Love how the dialogue makes the WC sound like Jersey Shore rejects. Lol.

But the WC do indeed have higher end feats that should see them collectively beating Carnage IMO.

that's the perfect way to describe it :P

and I just find it funny how completely ridiculous some characters feats get when being written by certain writers with certain Bias.

Because according too their two fights they are on completely different ends of the Power spectrum.

#39 Posted by Fuchsia_Nightingale (10180 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage.

#40 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6183 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thor's hammmer said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Thor's hammmer: Love how the dialogue makes the WC sound like Jersey Shore rejects. Lol.

But the WC do indeed have higher end feats that should see them collectively beating Carnage IMO.

that's the perfect way to describe it :P

and I just find it funny how completely ridiculous some characters feats get when being written by certain writers with certain Bias.

Because according too their two fights they are on completely different ends of the Power spectrum.

Well, IF has had his power output amped considerably the past few years and the Wrecking Crew had been downgraded (only the Wrecker maintains his older power levels and shares it amongst the Crew at his discretion - unless this is no longer the case?). So, as I have no idea what book or year the two battles in question are taken from, one thing is for sure, the one in which IF takes em out is more recent. This could explain the discrepancy in part - it could be a significantly powered down WC.

But recently, the combined efforts of Wolverine, Spider-Man, Luke Cage and Jessica were barely able to handle the Wrecker on his own ...

#41 Posted by jashro44 (19794 posts) - - Show Bio
@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Thor's hammmer said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@Thor's hammmer: Love how the dialogue makes the WC sound like Jersey Shore rejects. Lol.

But the WC do indeed have higher end feats that should see them collectively beating Carnage IMO.

that's the perfect way to describe it :P

and I just find it funny how completely ridiculous some characters feats get when being written by certain writers with certain Bias.

Because according too their two fights they are on completely different ends of the Power spectrum.

Well, IF has had his power output amped considerably the past few years and the Wrecking Crew had been downgraded (only the Wrecker maintains his older power levels and shares it amongst the Crew at his discretion - unless this is no longer the case?). So, as I have no idea what book or year the two battles in question are taken from, one thing is for sure, the one in which IF takes em out is more recent. This could explain the discrepancy in part - it could be a significantly powered down WC.

But recently, the combined efforts of Wolverine, Spider-Man, Luke Cage and Jessica were barely able to handle the Wrecker on his own ...

Sounds like Bendis...
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#42 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage wins.