Carnage vs Red Hulk

1 hour of prep time

Figthing in the middle of an abandoned New York City

Starting 50 yards away

No Loeb Red Hulk

Bloodlust on

Victory by death or K.O

Red Hulk

Red Hulk beat Agent Venom, and Agent Venom Stomped Carnage

Not really a-b-c logic because Venom's and Carnage's powers are similar enough that If U can beat 1, you should be able to beat the other

@agentghostrider: is red hulk stronger than hulk at base level?

if not, i can see carnage winning

and if agent venom is better than carnage, then red hulk stomping him should be loeb force

@spider-manwins: Lol, Red Hulk wins, Him beating Agent Venom was not Loeb Force (You do know what that is, Right?)

I love Agent Venom, Hell look at my Username, AGENTGhostRider

@agentghostrider: i didnt say beating him, i said stomping him would be bullshet

i dont think hulk has ever STOMPED spider-man, and agent venom is better than spider-man while rulk is not as good as hulk

rulk

Rulk beat the Thunderbolts, including Agent Venom and Deadpool, both of whom have defeated Carnage in the past.

He takes this handily.

Loeb Force refers to the writer whose name is Loeb. Rulk's defeat of Agent Venom (and the rest of the T-Bolts) was not under Loeb. Thus, Loeb Force is inapplicable.

@thenewbluebeetle007: but still, what strenght class is agent venom? rulk? im sure agent is a good deal above spidey and rulk is below hulk. im not 100% about this though

Yeah, that's about right. I have no idea what strength class Flash is.

Eh, I see carnage taking this, just becase i'm a carnage fanboy.

It honestly baffles me that Agent Venom took carnage down the way he did. Not in power levels, in writing. Carnage is top theee strongest villiabs in spideys usual rogues gallery. Taking him down a notch hurts the overall narrative imo. A knock-down drag-out between the two that leaves them both near death would make them both look strong, but that stomp just made carnage look weak. You don't waste a good character for the sake of building another.

@spider-manwins: Agent Venom Cassualy flipped a 80 ton tank, this is while the suit was still being drugged aka weaker Venom

@agentghostrider: rulk is weaker than base hulk is he not? thats an 80 tonner with amazing reflexes agilty

@spider-manwins: No, Red Hulk is around Base Hulk's strength aka 100 tons or so

An argument could be made for Agent Venom beating Rulk, but I don't feel like it

@agentghostrider: i think that is higly probable that agent can beat him then

hulk has a very hard time tagging spider-man. the only reason hulk wins is that hulk has massve strength/ durabilty advantage. in this rulk/ agent venom fight that is pretty much taken out of the equation as agent is alot stronger than spidey

Close call, but Carnage

Symbiote hacks could be FTW in this particular case. Carnage is especially brutal with his. He could send a tendril up Rulks nose and just stab him in his frontal coretx. Take out his vision and his motor skills in one fell swoop. Hulk's invulnerability is largely limited to his exterior. Internal and organ attacks have proven effective against Banner's Hulk, so I imagine the same could be true about Rulk.

I've said it before with a Hulk against a symbiote, but sonic attacks with thunderclap could be neutralized by carnage just staying on Rulks back. The thunderclap is omni-directional, yes, but if you are at the center of the clap, the sonic boom moves away from you, not toward. Hulk's body itself would shield Cletus from the initial blast (becuase the clap happens directly in front of Rulk's body).

A couple of Thunderclaps should do. Rulk wins

@agentghostrider: @spider-manwins: neither hulk nor rulk are anything close to 100 tons, they're both leagues above that.

Taking that into account, rulk is about equal to a fairly angry savage hulk. So strong enough to manhandle spidey, carnage, agent venom, toxin, and venom (Eddie Brock) at the same time with one arm if it came to a test of strength.

The 100 tons thing is just a myth that is never actually shown in the comics. Hulk and rulk both always perform miles above that. The thing is an 80-100 tonner himself and a weakened hulk manhandled him with one hand recently.

@spider-manwins: Hulk has tagged spidey plenty of times plot is the only thing that saves him and he easily stomps any spiderman villain. Rulk and Hulk are two different people there feats aren't comparable

@thedailybagel: and yet..

@kgb725

I really don't see how Ross doesn't win with time to prepare himself, he's actually far from stupid not even relative to Cletus.

@spider-manwins: Your point? All he did was turn hulks head. And are you forgetting that in the very next page Spidey sits there punching hulk for half a minute and makes his hands bleed whilst hulk is fine? Or that hulk literally had several chances to kill spidey in that fight but kept letting him go because he didn't want to fight?

If you seriously think anyone even close to Spider-Man's level can give hulk a good fight then you're seriously mistaken, unless there's a reason for it.

@thedailybagel: crotch kicks are hulks weakness

@spider-manwins: that's ultimate hulk, so not cannon :/

I don't see why Rulk can't replicate what the Sentry did to Carnage. Rip him in half.

@thedailybagel:

@spider-manwins: that was proffesor hulk, the second weakest hulk and one of the only hulks who 'supposedly' had a 100 ton limit.

Seriously though, stop testing me!

@thedailybagel: hulk= weakest one there is lol

@spider-manwins: I'm going to kill you.

Carnage gets thunderclapped a couple of times.

There's no need to be upset. Steve could've killed Thanos during infinity, he just didn't wanted to. He packs stronger PIS than most heroes.

Red Hulk kinda sTom

ps

The only reason why this is remotely fair is bc Rulk has an unusually low resistance to sharp objects that pierce his body otherwise I would flag the OP for spite.

The only version of Carnage that I can see fighting on par with Ross would be the one made of armours. Otherwise, he will be burned, and symbiotes hates that (I don't see Red Hulk actually killing him with just heat, but he will be bothered if Ross get serious).

Rulk

@hiddenlight: I'm just kidding man, I wasn't being serious.

Although i agree, Steve (especially recently) has gained the power to make people job to him.

The red one.

@super_mod: I agree, but I think I should add that Rulks healing factor is terrible, it takes him a while to heal wounds that someone like hulk would heal in seconds.

Rulk is one tough SOB but peircing damage is like his Achilles heel.

Couldn't Carnage potentially take control of Rulk?

This is a possibility, if I remember correctly Carnage needs to consume a fair amount of meat before he's able to do this, although I may be wrong, so it depends on whether Cletus is able to eat enough in the hour given. Rulk might be able to pull the symbiote off like he did with Venom but Carnage was able to trap the Thing so it's debatable.

@thedailybagel: Who has recently jobbed against Steve?

He does, he ate a whole town's worth of livestock to take control of Thing. Rulk should be able to counter this with his aoe attacks anyway, something to the effect of this..

..would absolutely decimate Cletus.

@juiceboks: Yep, that's what I imagined. Taking control of Rulk would probably be the only way he's winning (I guess Carnage's claws might do a bit of damage but not enough) and he's defiantly not going to be able to do that for the majority.

@thedailybagel: sowwy

Red Hulk.

@super_mod: hulk, for one. And more or less everyone else who's came into contact against him.

@thedandyman: You get my PM?

The only way Cletus wins is if he uses the one hour prep to increase his mass like in Carnage USA and take over Rulk.