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#1 Edited by k4tzm4n (40213 posts) - - Show Bio

Can Carnage win the gauntlet? If not, how far does he make it?

Location:

A city after being hit by multiple bombing runs...Buildings are in unstable condition and there are scattered fires. Unpopulated.

Rules:

-Carnage has 3 hours rest between matches.

-This is PRE-RETURNED Carnage. He can't use the symbiote to simply take over his foes.

-Everyone is in character.

-Carnage is told the name of the character 5 minutes before they enter.

-Characters always enter 2 blocks away from Carnage. Not visible.

-Random encounter for the characters, but they know there's a threat in the region.

-Standard elimination rules apply.

Gauntlet:

1) BuckyCap

2) Cardiac

3) Gambit (no death powers)

4) Scarlet Spider (Ben Reilly)

4) Green Goblin

5) Shocker

6) Cyclops (won't remove visor)

7) Omega Red

8) Deathlok (Michael Collins)

9) Scarlet Spider (Kaine)

10) Joe Fixit

BONUS ROUND:

If Carnage survives, he has the pleasure of trying to slaughter the Bat-family!

Batman, Nightwing, Red Hood, Red Robin, Batgirl (Cassandra Cain)

(all pre-52)

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#2 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio

hmmmmm i am gonna say he makes it to gambit and if he makes it past him then GG will stop him

#3 Posted by Wisppeons (3726 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he would run through everyone here if they dont have prep on him.

#4 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Beast might be able to take him out in the first fight. He is smart enough to utilize the random fires that are throughout the streets and buildings in the set up. If not then I think Kraven gives him a hell of a fight, but he does not get past Green Goblin.

#5 Posted by Wisppeons (3726 posts) - - Show Bio

how does character morals apply when everyone is bloodlusted?

#6 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wisppeons said:
" I think he would run through everyone here if they dont have prep on him. "
have to disagree, gambit will make carnage hurt since the explosions will damage the symbiotic form itself, and if he does make it past gambit then he will be much to hurt for 40 mins to recover gull and GG will put him down via bombs, and if IF he makes it past norman then DP will end it due to carnage ebing very weak from his past fights
#7 Posted by Wisppeons (3726 posts) - - Show Bio

he is still faster and he has prep on who he is fighting.

#8 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wisppeons said:
"how does character morals apply when everyone is bloodlusted?"

Only Carnage is bloodlusted, read the post.
#9 Edited by k4tzm4n (40213 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wisppeons said:
"how does character morals apply when everyone is bloodlusted?"

Carnage is in a bloodlust..."Character morals applies" goes to the gauntlet characters...I refer to them as "characters" in the rules and Carnage is self-titled.  Andferne, I agree Beast could, however I see it being more likely that Carnage will injure/kill him before he can properly apply fire.  This is due to Carnage's sheer strength, speed, use of weapons and ruthlessness.
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#10 Posted by Dreadmaster (16778 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Omega Red will take him

#11 Posted by Wisppeons (3726 posts) - - Show Bio

well if Carnage is bloodlusted I def think he will make it thru this since he is faster and stronger then everyone here and since they are going by their morals (the good guys) will try to contain him rather hen kill him.

#12 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wisppeons said:
" well if Carnage is bloodlusted I def think he will make it thru this since he is faster and stronger then everyone here and since they are going by their morals (the good guys) will try to contain him rather hen kill him. "
GG won't punisher won't, omega red won't, venom won't doc ock won't deadpool won't,kraven won't
#13 Posted by Chaos Prime (10842 posts) - - Show Bio

I tend to agree with Andferne on this one that Carnage could fall at the first hurdle.This scenario suits Beast as there are open areas & lots of places to seek shelter too.Add the rubble & fire & Carnage might have a flaming Brick stuck into his mouth.

#14 Edited by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage loses at Spider-Man or Venom.

#15 Edited by Wisppeons (3726 posts) - - Show Bio

yea but they have no prep coming into this fight Doc ock doesnt have anything but his claws punisher doesnt have anything to take him down I dont think. GG is only allowed to fly 10feet above the ground I dont think thats out of carnages jumping range and if it is he still has aid from the buildings deadpool will be Ko. what advantages does red have when he has no armor?

#16 Edited by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody said:
" Carnage loses at Spider-Man or Venom. "


            
                                                                                                                                                                


Not so sure about that.
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#17 Posted by DC_Marvel_1000 (12062 posts) - - Show Bio
@Wisppeons said:
" yea but they have no prep coming into this fight Doc ock doesnt have anything but his claws punisher doesnt have anything to take him down I dont think. GG is only allowed to fly 10feet above the ground I dont think thats out of carnages jumping range and if it is he still has aid from the buildings deadpool will be Ko. what advantages does red have when he has no armor? "
if you read right it was 10 feet above the buildings not ground, doc ock has faced symbiotic forms before, punisher has 2 grenades and with him using them he can use them to one lure carnage into a trap with fire or two just blow him up since it's still going to do fire damage 
#18 Posted by The_Martian (36984 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Nobody said:
" Carnage loses at Spider-Man or Venom. "


            
                                                                                                                                                                




Not so sure about that.

"
By the time Carnage makes it to Spider-Man and Venom, he has already had to work though several powerful foes. The Green Goblin has a good chance at taking him out. If he wasn't limit to how high he could fly, I might suggest GG might win.
#19 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nobody said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @Nobody said:
" Carnage loses at Spider-Man or Venom. "


            
                                                                                                                                                                




Not so sure about that.

"
By the time Carnage makes it to Spider-Man and Venom, he has already had to work though several powerful foes. The Green Goblin has a good chance at taking him out. If he wasn't limit to how high he could fly, I might suggest GG might win. "

I'm not sure he will make it there myself.  But physically speaking, Gargan would be the real challenge. Not Brock or Spidey. Brock could lift up to 12 tons, if memory serves right. And since this is current Spidey, his strength level is at 10 tons. Since Carnage is casually seen overcoming them both, I would say his strength level surpasses that of 20 tons (I used to remember something about him being class 50, but I can't find it) at least.

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#20 Posted by Matezoide2 (15994 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage wins that
the only characther who is capable of actualy damaging him is Beast,until he gets to Gargan,who will have a nice match with Carnage
then when Carnage wins,he will rest,curbstomp Spider-Man,rest some more and defeat the others with easy

#21 Edited by Nerx (15088 posts) - - Show Bio
@dreadmaster said:
" I think Omega Red will take him "
Seconded, lets see OR has:
  • Death Spores
  • Carbonadium Coils
  • Tough as Ass Skin
  • Life-force Absorption
  • Some Healing Factor
  • KGB training

and hat sounds bad for Carnage
#22 Posted by Mr.Pie (546 posts) - - Show Bio

Green Goblin takes him out

#23 Posted by k4tzm4n (40213 posts) - - Show Bio
@Matezoide said:
"Carnage wins thatthe only characther who is capable of actualy damaging him is Beast,until he gets to Gargan,who will have a nice match with Carnagethen when Carnage wins,he will rest,curbstomp Spider-Man,rest some more and defeat the others with easy "

Given the rules and setting, every character potentially has a means of hurting Carnage.
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#24 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Gargan venom kills carnage eats his symbiote, kills brock venom, eats his symbiote, and then kills everyone else with his class 170 strength.

#25 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dreadnaught said:
" Gargan venom kills carnage eats his symbiote, kills brock venom, eats his symbiote, and then kills everyone else with his class 170 strength. "
No.
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#26 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Dreadnaught said:
" Gargan venom kills carnage eats his symbiote, kills brock venom, eats his symbiote, and then kills everyone else with his class 170 strength. "
Please, tell me you are joking, or something to that effect..
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#27 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio

Carnage makes it to Cyclops.

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#28 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" Carnage makes it to Cyclops. "
If you believe he could make it up there, don't you think he stands a chance against Scott as well?
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#29 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" Carnage makes it to Cyclops. "
If you believe he could make it up there, don't you think he stands a chance against Scott as well? "
No.Carnage is wearing a symbiote.Heat is it's weakness.Cyclops shoots beams out of his face that produce heat.Cyclops can put a beam on Carnage and hold it until he's just Kletus Kassady.
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#30 Edited by k4tzm4n (40213 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
"@Morpheus_ said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" Carnage makes it to Cyclops. "
If you believe he could make it up there, don't you think he stands a chance against Scott as well? "
No.Carnage is wearing a symbiote.Heat is it's weakness.Cyclops shoots beams out of his face that produce heat.Cyclops can put a beam on Carnage and hold it until he's just Kletus Kassady.
"

They don't produce heat.  It's a concussive force.
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#31 Edited by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
Correct. I already knew all this, though. But I think he could make it for the following reasons:
i) he knows he is facing Cyclops 5 minutes before the fight - I assume that Carnage isn't that stupid, going to fight face to face with an enemy that could obliterate him
ii) the setting gives plenty of chances to Carnage to take cover and attack Cyclops from the back (it's not like he would find it immoral), or sucker punch him in general
iii) with their major differences in strength and agility, and since Carnage is out for the kill, one hit is all it would take

This, could or couldn't work - Cyclops is a highly experienced field leader, but he doesn't know who he is up against here. All I' m saying is this: with good strategy, Carnage has a shot. Nothing more.


P.S. I knew I should have checked..Cyclops' beam is a " heatless concussive force" according to Marvel.com...I stand corrected.
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#32 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" Correct. I already knew all this, though. But I think he could make it for the following reasons:
i) he knows he is facing Cyclops 5 minutes before the fight - I assume that Carnage isn't that stupid, going to fight face to face with an enemy that could obliterate him
ii) the setting gives plenty of chances to Carnage to take cover and attack Cyclops from the back (it's not like he would find it immoral), or sucker punch him in general
iii) with their major differences in strength and agility, and since Carnage is out for the kill, one hit is all it would take

This, could or couldn't work - Cyclops is a highly experienced field leader, but he doesn't know who he is up against here. All I' m saying is this: with good strategy, Carnage has a shot. Nothing more.


P.S. I knew I should have checked..Cyclops' beam is a " heatless concussive force" according to Marvel.com...I stand corrected.
"
1.There is really nothing Carnage can do against Cyclops.
2.What is cover to Cyclops? He's a mountain destroyer.
3.Cyclops can clear the area with pretty much no effort.

Cyclops's beam does produce heat.If it didn't there wouldn't be smoke in the aftermath.
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#33 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
"@Morpheus_ said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" Carnage makes it to Cyclops. "
If you believe he could make it up there, don't you think he stands a chance against Scott as well? "
No.Carnage is wearing a symbiote.Heat is it's weakness.Cyclops shoots beams out of his face that produce heat.Cyclops can put a beam on Carnage and hold it until he's just Kletus Kassady.
"
They don't produce heat.  It's a concussive force. "
That's not true.




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#34 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" Correct. I already knew all this, though. But I think he could make it for the following reasons:
i) he knows he is facing Cyclops 5 minutes before the fight - I assume that Carnage isn't that stupid, going to fight face to face with an enemy that could obliterate him
ii) the setting gives plenty of chances to Carnage to take cover and attack Cyclops from the back (it's not like he would find it immoral), or sucker punch him in general
iii) with their major differences in strength and agility, and since Carnage is out for the kill, one hit is all it would take

This, could or couldn't work - Cyclops is a highly experienced field leader, but he doesn't know who he is up against here. All I' m saying is this: with good strategy, Carnage has a shot. Nothing more.


P.S. I knew I should have checked..Cyclops' beam is a " heatless concussive force" according to Marvel.com...I stand corrected.
"
1.There is really nothing Carnage can do against Cyclops.
2.What is cover to Cyclops? He's a mountain destroyer.
3.Cyclops can clear the area with pretty much no effort.

Cyclops's beam does produce heat.If it didn't there wouldn't be smoke in the aftermath.
"
1) I just gave you a way.
2) I don't think the best strategy would be to begin blasting everything he sees.That would give Carnage the necessary diversion he would need.
3) How fast could he clear 5 blocks?
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#35 Posted by Mr.Pie (546 posts) - - Show Bio

err...hello! Green Goblin!! Explosives! Heat weakness to Carnage......


#36 Posted by Mr.Pie (546 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
"@Morpheus_ said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" Carnage makes it to Cyclops. "
If you believe he could make it up there, don't you think he stands a chance against Scott as well? "
No.Carnage is wearing a symbiote.Heat is it's weakness.Cyclops shoots beams out of his face that produce heat.Cyclops can put a beam on Carnage and hold it until he's just Kletus Kassady.
"
They don't produce heat.  It's a concussive force. "
That's not true.




"
what does that prove?
#37 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
"@Morpheus_ said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" Carnage makes it to Cyclops. "
If you believe he could make it up there, don't you think he stands a chance against Scott as well? "
No.Carnage is wearing a symbiote.Heat is it's weakness.Cyclops shoots beams out of his face that produce heat.Cyclops can put a beam on Carnage and hold it until he's just Kletus Kassady.
"
They don't produce heat.  It's a concussive force. "
That's not true.




"
Picture says one thing, Marvel says another. Go figure.
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#38 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

The only way that Cyclops optic blasts generate heat is through friction.

#39 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
Picture says one thing, Marvel says another. Go figure. "
Marvel doesn't say it.The fans wrote his bio on Marvel.com


@Andferne said:
" The only way that Cyclops optic blasts generate heat is through friction. "
Why is there always smoke when he blasts someone? Justice's TK comes out in the form of concussive force and there is never smoke.

@Mr.Pie said:
what does that prove? "
That Cyclops's beams generate heat.
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#40 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro:  http://marvel.com/universe/Cyclops

To the right, below the word: powers. I doubt fans wrote that. I only think his biography could be edited (the main text). Not his powers and attributes.
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#41 Edited by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Vance Astro:  http://marvel.com/universe/Cyclops

To the right, below the word: powers. I doubt fans wrote that. I only think his biography could be edited (the main text). Not his powers and attributes.
"
Marvel didn't write that.The only official information from them is in the handbooks.
Like Comicvine,Marvel.com's bios are wiki's.Any member can edit them.
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#42 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Artist interpretation. Visual effect.

Heat or no heat Cyclops can take down Carnage either way.

@Morpheus_ said:

" i) he knows he is facing Cyclops 5 minutes before the fight - I assume that Carnage isn't that stupid, going to fight face to face with an enemy that could obliterate him
ii) the setting gives plenty of chances to Carnage to take cover and attack Cyclops from the back (it's not like he would find it immoral), or sucker punch him in general
iii) with their major differences in strength and agility, and since Carnage is out for the kill, one hit is all it would take"
1) The thing is he is that stupid because more often than not he lets his bloodlust take over and that means he does not think ahead, just acts. Which doing this against someone like Cyclops leaves him open for attacks.
2) Cyclops knows that he is walking into a hostile environment. He is not going to go stalking around looking for trouble out in the open. All he has to do is set up shop somewhere with cover, where there is only one opening to get to him at and wait. Once whoever it is he is facing off against shows their face he has a clear and unexpected shot.
3) Strength does not matter because Cyclops is not going to sit there and do a fist fight against him. As for Carnage Agility it means squat when he has not clue the blast is coming at him. Spider-man has the sense, not Carnage and Venom. On a regular basis Cyclops hits people who are faster and more agile than Carnage. Quicksilver, Northstar, Beast, Nightcrawler, Toad, the list can go on.
#43 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@Andferne said:
" Artist interpretation. Visual effect.

Heat or no heat Cyclops can take down Carnage either way.

@Morpheus_ said:
" i) he knows he is facing Cyclops 5 minutes before the fight - I assume that Carnage isn't that stupid, going to fight face to face with an enemy that could obliterate him
ii) the setting gives plenty of chances to Carnage to take cover and attack Cyclops from the back (it's not like he would find it immoral), or sucker punch him in general
iii) with their major differences in strength and agility, and since Carnage is out for the kill, one hit is all it would take"
1) The thing is he is that stupid because more often than not he lets his bloodlust take over and that means he does not think ahead, just acts. Which doing this against someone like Cyclops leaves him open for attacks.2) Cyclops knows that he is walking into a hostile environment. He is not going to go stalking around looking for trouble out in the open. All he has to do is set up shop somewhere with cover, where there is only one opening to get to him at and wait. Once whoever it is he is facing off against shows their face he has a clear and unexpected shot.3) Strength does not matter because Cyclops is not going to sit there and do a fist fight against him. As for Carnage Agility it means squat when he has not clue the blast is coming at him. Spider-man has the sense, not Carnage and Venom. On a regular basis Cyclops hits people who are faster and more agile than Carnage. Quicksilver, Northstar, Beast, Nightcrawler, Toad, the list can go on. "
Beast and Toad are faster than Carnage? 
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#44 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
I don't have access to the X-Men handbook right now. When I do, I shall repost.
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#45 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio

Not that they are faster, or more agile than Carnage. (Best more agile yes). But they are more examples of people who great agility and or speed that Cyclops hits.

#46 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@Andferne said:
" Not that they are faster, or more agile than Carnage. (Best more agile yes). But they are more examples of people who great agility and or speed that Cyclops hits. "
I don't agree with that.Carnage is basically everything Spider-Man is but X4.
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#47 Posted by Vance Astro (91196 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" I don't have access to the X-Men handbook right now. When I do, I shall repost.
"
I do and they don't say that his beams don't produce heat but they don't say they do either.
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#48 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio

i think carnage easily makes it to omega red, cause of his speed, agility and camouflage.

#49 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" I don't agree with that.Carnage is basically everything Spider-Man is but X4. "
I strongly disagree with that.

@castleking said:
" i think carnage easily makes it to omega red, cause of his speed, agility and camouflage. "
What Camouflage? He can sneak around, find cover, etc but he has not camo ability.
#50 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - - Show Bio

yes he does he has used it in the past to give himself clothes and disguise himself. bisides he has every power the original venom has .