Carnage, Darth Vader vs Luffy, Neji

Legends Vader

USA Carnage

Pre Shipuden Neji

Pre Time Skip Luffy

Battle on a sunny beach.

Team 1.

Interesting didn't realize you use one piece characters in your threads.

At first glance Carnage has no answer for Luffy without intervention from his teammate.

As for how the fight plays out, I don't know or don't care enough to be specific.

@leo-343: What's Luffy's top speed?

Darth Vader solos via TK TP and cutting everything with his badass lightsaber. luffy dies first.

I don't know who wins, but Luffy is susceptible to piercing and cuts, so technically he does have an answer.

Team 2 Luffy MVP IMO. Vader will do damage but u don't think he can carry his team.

How did you calculate that? ima One Piece fan here

Luffy solos

Carnage has no business here at all. Can someone please give me some Carnage feats? .-.

Luffy beats them both to death while neji sips tea.

Well, he is a 50 toner, and has insane regen ability. Has the speed to match Spidey as well.

@speedster101: @jacthripper: @leo-343: The rest of you Underestimate Carnafge as well.

Manhandling both Spider Man and Venom at the same time.

Here he gets his head cut off and is fine.

Gallery

Here he is head stabbed and laughs.

Here is split fro many little pieces, and remerges a an whole Carnage.

Here Carnage shows with enough Mass to possess the Avengers including Wolverine, Thing, Cap, and Hawkeye.

He has to eat some cattle to do this, but he can for sure do this to one person.

Also these.

Curious how anyone could kill/KO Carnage.

That said, pretty sure Vader is getting Speedblitzed by either Neji or Luffy.

How fast is Pre Shipuden Neji?

Pretty sure brute force does not work on Carnage though, never seen him put down by it, and he could stab Luffy. Not buying the whole "Luffy is Mach 20" bit either. Black powder bullets and canons are not standing still to Pre time skip Luffy, and they move only at Mach 1 speeds.

Overwank Fan Calcs are as bad as relying on Wikipedia for facts. I seen one Yu Yu Hakusho feat done by three people on Naruto Forums. One was Mach 80, another Mach 112, and the last one Mach 300.

All are BS fan clacs and no way solid proof other than people have terrible math though they pretend otherwise. Argue facts, not wank fan calcs.

Carnage isn't Luffy, he isn't completely immune to blunt force damage as seen in his fights with Venom, Kaine (I think they've fought) and others. Those two are hilariously weaker than Luffy and if they can hurt Carnage with blunt force then Luffy would one shot him. If that isn't enough then there's always multiple red hawks, Carnage isn't a as susceptible to fire compared to other symbiotes but the fire combined with Luffy's strength will put him down. He's outclassed in every way.

Fair enough, though Luffy is also fighting Vader here, and not sure if Luffy is now carrying the whole team.

Do those calcs actually correlate to writer intentions? Because I can show you Boba Fett's 90mph jetpack outpacing an explosion after it went off.

Exactly.

@leo-343: ^

Why? I said luffy kills team vader while neji sips tea.

Blades aren't Luffy's kryptonite, he doesn't instantly lose a fight because blades are present. Carnage stabbing Luffy will not happen unless Luffy has been heavily injured or incapacitated.

This is a Vader vs Luffy thread, mini and Carnage are non factors.

@leo-343 said:

This is Pre Skip Luffy though, I'm not denying he's the MVP in this fight and could solo.

How is Luffy a 1000 tonner?

Actually Neji is the weak link in this fight, Genin from part 1 have the durability feats of a normal human, not many strength showings and the only advantage being speed.

Neji can react to strikes from Carnage and Vader simultaneously with his rotation defense, but is it good enough to stop Carnage's strength or a devastating lightsaber hit? Carnage is actually in the 70 ton range - being increased from around 50 and Vader can probably lift around 100 tons with force based telekinesis. These kind of feats can only be replicated by high tier characters in Naruto and there are barley any Naruto characters than can survive the grip of an invisible hand choking them out with the force.

@leo-343: Vader ( as anakin) has reacted to something like sub light speed, and the speed difference between Vader and Anakin is pretty small. As for the fight I know next to nothing about team 2, so I can't made a judgement.

@leo-343: TK does not need to control a persons muscles. It's no different than the function of Wind Energy or currents in a ocean lifting or slamming someone around, you cannot break out of it with punches or flexing, it has no substance, it's invisible energy, you cannot out punch Heat, magnetics, radiation, gravity Ect.

Even comic characters show this when lifting beings way stronger than them with TK.

What I don't understand is how you can quantify those feats into a strength scale of metric tons. I'm no physicist so I don't know how these calculations are made, that's what I'm asking about.

@luckystrike: add to this train of thought, Iron Fist can punch a ramming train as well a Helicarrier, but is not above 2 tons in lifting strength. Not seeng why Luffy is any different, I never seen him lift a house like Zoro.

USA carnage covers them in goo and controls them.

I believe at full-speed (at least in combat,) the world slows to a crawl by his perception, if that's any indication. Even still, Darth isn't all that fast anyway. That armor severely restrains any fast movement from what I can see.

Recently Luffy one shot a giant. This gaint was strong enough to punch a 10 000 T heavy dude that was free falling at him, thousands of meters up in the air.

More than 500 chapters ago he was punching at super speed with 100+ tons heavy golden ball attached to his arm.

After he woke up from comma, pre-time skip Luffy lifted and thrown at least thousands of tons heavy boulder.

Pre-time skip pushed apart 2 huge buildings

He did this against sir Crocodile almost 600 chapters ago

Perhaps we don't know exactly how strong current Luffy is, but he's certainly far beyond 1000 tons level.

Carnage is a non-factor here guys :/

I did calculations myself, and the problem is Oda is inconsistent. On panels where the ball is drawn the smallest it has around 70-80 tons and on panels where it's drawn the biggest it has almost 1300 tons. if I remember correctly.

I never said that he isn't.

I never said they were his Kryptonite. I'm just saying that Carnage technically has a was to bypass his invulnerability to regular physical attacks. I'm not saying that it would, but in theory it is possible.

I think you misunderstood my statement, not saying he can't harm Luffy. No matter what Carnage can do or produce during this fight, there isn't anyway Carnage can make a fight with Luffy equal.

Good god image if the Carnage Symbiote bonded to Luffy.....and you thought Kasady was crazy.