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#1  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

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Bridge is heavily populated with traffic. Park area has assorted tourists. 4pm, mild temps.
Bridge is heavily populated with traffic. Park area has assorted tourists. 4pm, mild temps.

Rules

-Green Goblin begins at the bridge entrance.

-Cardiac begins at the housing community in the foreground.

-Both have standard gear.

-Both are aware of who they are fighting, but unaware of the starting locations.

-Morals apply.

-Elimination by all standard methods.

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#2  Edited By Tank.

I got to go with Norman.

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#3  Edited By Precise
@Tank. said:
" I got to go with Norman. "
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#4  Edited By Chaos Prime

Imo Cardiac stands a very good chance of bringing the glider down with a well shot blast.Then anything could happen if Norman isnt too badly injured..

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@k4tzm4n:
No glider for Cardiac?
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#6  Edited By Decoy Elite

I'll go with Cardiac. GG's best advantage is, of course, his glider and Cardiac should be able to knock him off with a well placed blast. Once on the ground the two will blast at each other until Cardiac gets up close on Norman. Close combat wise, Cardiac has the advantage and should take this. 
 
So, Cardiac 7/10

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#7  Edited By Chaos Prime
@Jake Fury said:
" @k4tzm4n: No glider for Cardiac? "
Dont think he has :-)
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#8  Edited By Decoy Elite
@Jake Fury said:
" @k4tzm4n: No glider for Cardiac? "
It'd probably make things a little too one sided for Cardiac, as he could easily channel his blasts through it and take down GG with relative ease. It's a much better fight without it.
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#9  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Decoy Elite said:
"I'll go with Cardiac. GG's best advantage is, of course, his glider and Cardiac should be able to knock him off with a well placed blast. Once on the ground the two will blast at each other until Cardiac gets up close on Norman. Close combat wise, Cardiac has the advantage and should take this.   So, Cardiac 7/10 "

Nah, IMHO Cardiac doesn't require his "bird". 
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#10  Edited By Tank.
@k4tzm4n said:

 Bridge is heavily populated with traffic. Park area has assorted tourists. 4pm, mild temps. 
Morals apply

These two things here give Norman the most advantage. Not just the glider.
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#11  Edited By Achilles.

Cardiac

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#12  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator

@Tank.:

I'd imagine Norman harming innocents would only piss off Cardiac.

Also, the fight is unlikely to take place on the bridge. Norman just begins there, where-as Cardiac begins in the communities.

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#13  Edited By Chaos Prime
@Tank. said:
" @k4tzm4n said:

-Morals apply.  "
These two things here give Norman the most advantage. Not just the glider. "
Agreed in this scenario.Thats why imo Cardiac has to be very true with his first aim on taking GG/glider down..
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#14  Edited By Decoy Elite
@Tank. said:
" @k4tzm4n said:

 Bridge is heavily populated with traffic. Park area has assorted tourists. 4pm, mild temps. 
Morals apply

These two things here give Norman the most advantage. Not just the glider. "
Darn it! >.< Still, think Cardiac can win though.
@k4tzm4n said:
" @Decoy Elite said:
"I'll go with Cardiac. GG's best advantage is, of course, his glider and Cardiac should be able to knock him off with a well placed blast. Once on the ground the two will blast at each other until Cardiac gets up close on Norman. Close combat wise, Cardiac has the advantage and should take this.   So, Cardiac 7/10 "
Nah, IMHO Cardiac doesn't require his "bird".  "

When did I say he did?
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#15  Edited By vance_astro  Moderator

I think Cardiac wins.Luckily you gave GG the glider because if not this would have been a massive curbstomp.

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#16  Edited By Precise
@Tank. said:
" @k4tzm4n said:

 Bridge is heavily populated with traffic. Park area has assorted tourists. 4pm, mild temps. 
Morals apply

These two things here give Norman the most advantage. Not just the glider. "
Same, Cardiac will avoid casualties while Norman will just bomb the entire place causing Cardiac to protect the people leaving himself open for an attack from Norman. To put it simplified.
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#17  Edited By texasdeathmatch

Hopefully with k4tz's monthly Cardiac threads, Marvel might reintroduce him

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#18  Edited By Tank.
@k4tzm4n said:
"I'd imagine Norman harming innocents would only piss off  Cardiac"
Perhaps then that is all that's needed to throw Cardiac off his game. While in a fit of rage he is more prone to do things hastily and stupidly. With that said the Goblin can easily place a dozen or more innocents in danger (not kill them but put them in a near death scenario like blowing portion of the bridge to where they are going to fall). Cardiac now has a decision to make, try and save as many as he can or allow his hate/rage to overwhelm him and continue to fight. If he does decide to try and save people that makes him vulnerable and easy pickings. If he decides to fight in anger he himself could put innocents in danger.
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#19  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@texasdeathmatch said:
"Hopefully with k4tz's monthly Cardiac threads, Marvel might reintroduce him "

LOL 
 
@Decoy Elite:

You didn't, I did.  I was just answering if he had the bird.  I then said I think he doesn't need it ;) 
 
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#20  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@Vance Astro said:
"I think Cardiac wins.Luckily you gave GG the glider because if not this would have been a massive curbstomp. "

Dude, without the glider Norman stands virtually no chance lol. 
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#21  Edited By Decoy Elite
@Tank. said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
"I'd imagine Norman harming innocents would only piss off  Cardiac"
Perhaps then that is all that's needed to throw Cardiac off his game. While in a fit of rage he is more prone to do things hastily and stupidly. With that said the Goblin can easily place a dozen or more innocents in danger (not kill them but put them in a near death scenario like blowing portion of the bridge to where they are going to fall). Cardiac now has a decision to make, try and save as many as he can or allow his hate/rage to overwhelm him and continue to fight. If he does decide to try and save people that makes him vulnerable and easy pickings. If he decides to fight in anger he himself could put innocents in danger. "
Since when is Green Goblin that tactical? The only time he's went out of his way to endanger an innocent to my knowledge is Gwen Stacy and that was because he had prior knowledge of her relationship to Spider-Man. Not to mention, even if he is that tactical he's doesn't know anything about Cardiac's morals so why would he try such a thing?
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#22  Edited By Tank.
@Decoy Elite: It's not tactical, it's common sense. You have a very unstable psychopathic maniac fighting. If he thinks for a moment that he is in danger, why not resort to mass destruction? Putting innocents in the way is pretty common place.
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#23  Edited By Decoy Elite
@Tank. said:
" @Decoy Elite: It's not tactical, it's common sense. You have a very unstable psychopathic maniac fighting. If he thinks for a moment that he is in danger, why not resort to mass destruction? Putting innocents in the way is pretty common place. "
Green Goblin's not the type that does that, yes he might pull of some carpet bombing, but he'd only do that to try and hit Cardiac not the citizens. Not to mention, Goblin's usual reaction to danger is to swoop down and attack head on, or run away. He just doesn't go nuts with bombs(more than usual at least) it's not his fighting style.
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#24  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
Warren Ellis Gren Goblin would probably bomb the entire NYC for giggles, not just a couple of civilians.
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#25  Edited By Tank.
@Decoy Elite: Have you seen the damage capable of his bombs? If he swoops down this highly populated place is in for some fireworks.
Besides that I find it highly doubtful that Cardiac can dismount Norman. He is not known for pin point precision/accuracy. So Goblin can be content with doing drive byes, because he won't care if he hurts any innocents.  Just one bomb on that bridge creates utter chaos. Cars swirling, honking, people screaming running around. Traffic building up. Chaos ensues which only helps the Goblin's case.
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#26  Edited By Decoy Elite
@Morpheus_ said:
" Warren Ellis Gren Goblin would probably bomb the entire NYC for giggles, not just a couple of civilians. "
But in a fight GG only really goes for his opponents or at least that's what he's done in most of the appearances I've seen.
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He used some crowd attacks in the movie, IIRC.
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#28  Edited By Decoy Elite
@Tank.:  Spider-Man is able to dismount Goblin without any weapons so accuracy is not really paramount to taking him down. 
 
@Jake Fury said:
" He used some crowd attacks in the movie, IIRC. "

The Green Goblin in that movie was completely different than the comic one. :P
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#29  Edited By Erik
@k4tzm4n:  
Just out of curiosity, what is Norman's mental state? Classic Green Goblin, Thunderbolts, Iron Patriot (when he was not completely unhinged), or Iron Patriot at the end of Siege? 
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Say it ain't so!
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#31  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Decoy Elite said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" Warren Ellis Gren Goblin would probably bomb the entire NYC for giggles, not just a couple of civilians. "
But in a fight GG only really goes for his opponents or at least that's what he's done in most of the appearances I've seen. "
I'm not really arguing his tactics, but I have no doubt he would kill/endanger innocents, if given the chance.
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Does norman have his finger lazers?

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@Morpheus_ said:
" @Decoy Elite said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" Warren Ellis Gren Goblin would probably bomb the entire NYC for giggles, not just a couple of civilians. "
But in a fight GG only really goes for his opponents or at least that's what he's done in most of the appearances I've seen. "
I'm not really arguing his tactics, but I have no doubt he would kill/endanger innocents, if given the chance. "

Like the movie, I told you Decoy! :)
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#34  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@erik:
Assume his current mental state.
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#35  Edited By Decoy Elite
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Decoy Elite said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" Warren Ellis Gren Goblin would probably bomb the entire NYC for giggles, not just a couple of civilians. "
But in a fight GG only really goes for his opponents or at least that's what he's done in most of the appearances I've seen. "
I'm not really arguing his tactics, but I have no doubt he would kill/endanger innocents, if given the chance. "
I don't really see why he'd do it. Yes, he wouldn't care about hurting them but he has no real reason to do so here.
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How much damage can cardiac's suit take?

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#37  Edited By Erik
@k4tzm4n said:
" @erik: Assume his current mental state. "
Well that is no good. The Goblin vision will keep getting in his way when he is "sane" or it will just take over. I suspect that Loki took his insanity on another level before he died. 
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#38  Edited By Matezoide2
@k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
"I think Cardiac wins.Luckily you gave GG the glider because if not this would have been a massive curbstomp. "
Dude, without the glider Norman stands virtually no chance lol.  "
QFT
 
Cardiac wins
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#39  Edited By Power NeXus
@Death Certificate said:
" How much damage can cardiac's suit take? "
I'm wondering the same thing. 
Most of GG's long-distance attacks rely a lot on energy (bombs, finger lasers, ect), and that's exactly the kind of stuff Cardiac's vibranium mesh skin should be best at stopping.
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#40  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Decoy Elite said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" @Decoy Elite said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
" Warren Ellis Gren Goblin would probably bomb the entire NYC for giggles, not just a couple of civilians. "
But in a fight GG only really goes for his opponents or at least that's what he's done in most of the appearances I've seen. "
I'm not really arguing his tactics, but I have no doubt he would kill/endanger innocents, if given the chance. "
I don't really see why he'd do it. Yes, he wouldn't care about hurting them but he has no real reason to do so here. "
Helping him win seems like a good enough reason.
 
I am undecided about the outcome, but the Goblin endangering innocents isn't really new. His abilities offer for highly destructive results, and he is equally reckless in their use. Even accidentally, it's a possibility.
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#41  Edited By Erik
@Power NeXus said:
" @Death Certificate said:
" How much damage can cardiac's suit take? "
I'm wondering the same thing. Most of GG's long-distance attacks rely a lot on energy (bombs, finger lasers, ect), and that's exactly the kind of stuff Cardiac's vibranium mesh skin should be best at stopping. "
He has been injured from gunfire though the vibranium mesh skin appeared to be unaffected. 
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#42  Edited By Power NeXus
@erik said:
" @Power NeXus said:
" @Death Certificate said:
" How much damage can cardiac's suit take? "
I'm wondering the same thing. Most of GG's long-distance attacks rely a lot on energy (bombs, finger lasers, ect), and that's exactly the kind of stuff Cardiac's vibranium mesh skin should be best at stopping. "
He has been injured from gunfire though the vibranium mesh skin appeared to be unaffected.  "
How could he be injured if the skin is unaffected?
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#43  Edited By Erik
@Power NeXus:  
I appeared as though the force of the impact was not entirely absorbed by the skin and some force managed to get through to his body. He was still in fighting shape but he was making mental notes about having to patch himself up once he is done fighting. 
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@erik:
I see, his skin is tough but his organs/pain tolerance is soft, that gives me an idea...
   
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#45  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@erik said:
" @Power NeXus:  I appeared as though the force of the impact was not entirely absorbed by the skin and some force managed to get through to his body. He was still in fighting shape but he was making mental notes about having to patch himself up once he is done fighting.  "

Indeed. He was shot about three times (once in the head). He was then struck by Scorpion twice before passing out.  I have the scans... I'll look for them.  In the meantime, I made new ones so I'll share them. 
 

Radial damage from blasts / bullet dodging
Radial damage from blasts / bullet dodging

Survives a charge from Rhino / blast is enough to knock him off his feet.
Survives a charge from Rhino / blast is enough to knock him off his feet.
 

Fully charged blast, pt 1
Fully charged blast, pt 1

Fully charged blast, pt 2
Fully charged blast, pt 2
 

Tagging a retreating glider
Tagging a retreating glider
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#46  Edited By Erik
@k4tzm4n:  
Thanks for the scans and yes, that is the fight I was describing. 
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#47  Edited By Decoy Elite
@Morpheus_: The problem is that GG doesn't know who Cardiac is or that attacking civilians will help him win the match.
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#48  Edited By k4tzm4n  Moderator
@erik:
Thanks. I'll try to find the VS Guards and then Scorpion scans. I've never organized my scans so I literally just scroll through my gallery.
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#49  Edited By morpheus_  Moderator
@Decoy Elite said:
" @Morpheus_: The problem is that GG doesn't know who Cardiac is or that attacking civilians will help him win the match. "


 @k4tzm4n said:

"-Both are aware of who they are fighting

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#50  Edited By Erik
@k4tzm4n said:
" @erik: Thanks. I'll try to find the VS Guards and then Scorpion scans. I've never organized my scans so I literally just scroll through my gallery. "
I have some but I think you might have better quality so mine will be a stopgap until you put yours up.