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#1 Edited by oceanmaster21 (8565 posts) - - Show Bio

No morals for either of them

Win by death

Battle takes place on asgard

Who wins and why

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#2 Posted by Thanofleeze (3197 posts) - - Show Bio

Bye bye Billy... once again :(

#3 Posted by jojjimbo (2472 posts) - - Show Bio

WBH wins.

#4 Edited by oceanmaster21 (8565 posts) - - Show Bio
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#5 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

a guy with speed around supermans level(which is WAY too fast for wbh), and stregth around supermans level, can fly, AND has magic? WBH is strong but theres just so much going for shazaam here. i dont think he could win by overpowering hulk but his speed would let him avoid wbh's hits and his magic could pull off the win. not sure what feats he has with magic so based on that im going to say i really dont know enough to say who wins

#6 Posted by WillPayton (9583 posts) - - Show Bio

With Captain Marvel's speed, I dont think Hulk can tag him except through PIS. So while CM may have a hard time putting down Hulk, eventually he'll hit him with enough magical lightning bolts or planet-busting punches to do the job. Alternately he can BFR Hulk out into the Sun or a black hole or whatever.

CM wins 8/10

#7 Posted by SheenLantern (6824 posts) - - Show Bio

With Captain Marvel's speed, I dont think Hulk can tag him except through PIS. So while CM may have a hard time putting down Hulk, eventually he'll hit him with enough magical lightning bolts or planet-busting punches to do the job. Alternately he can BFR Hulk out into the Sun or a black hole or whatever.

CM wins 8/10

#8 Edited by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton said:

With Captain Marvel's speed, I dont think Hulk can tag him except through PIS. So while CM may have a hard time putting down Hulk, eventually he'll hit him with enough magical lightning bolts or planet-busting punches to do the job. Alternately he can BFR Hulk out into the Sun or a black hole or whatever.

CM wins 8/10

#9 Posted by SOG7dc (7568 posts) - - Show Bio

Shazam wins. With his speed and strength e could just pummel hulk into oblivion if there is no PIS involved. Logically hulk shouldn't be able to touch Billy and Billy is >=him in strength not to mention billy's lightening bolts. Shazam wins

#10 Posted by patrat18 (10359 posts) - - Show Bio

With Captain Marvel's speed, I dont think Hulk can tag him except through PIS. So while CM may have a hard time putting down Hulk, eventually he'll hit him with enough magical lightning bolts or planet-busting punches to do the job. Alternately he can BFR Hulk out into the Sun or a black hole or whatever.

CM wins 8/10

@sog7dc said:

Shazam wins. With his speed and strength e could just pummel hulk into oblivion if there is no PIS involved. Logically hulk shouldn't be able to touch Billy and Billy is >=him in strength not to mention billy's lightening bolts. Shazam wins

8.5 for Billy

#11 Posted by oceanmaster21 (8565 posts) - - Show Bio

im liking the results

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#12 Posted by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

What's New 52 Shazam's durability like?

#13 Posted by tensor (4711 posts) - - Show Bio

No way hulk can make him say shazam

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#14 Edited by GhostRavage (9211 posts) - - Show Bio

This has been done before. At best its stalemate or Hulk wins.

#15 Posted by RudeBomberBoy01 (1846 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage: shhh, you don't wanna disrupt the system bro. Just go with the flow.

Captain Marvel wins!

#16 Posted by GhostRavage (9211 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3389 posts) - - Show Bio

PreNew52 Cap Marvel could win.

New52 Shazam would lose

#18 Edited by green_skaar (4415 posts) - - Show Bio

WBH

Not even close.

#19 Posted by comic_book_fan (5766 posts) - - Show Bio

hulk

#20 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (6780 posts) - - Show Bio
#21 Posted by XiiX (8802 posts) - - Show Bio

PreNew52 Cap Marvel could win.

New52 Shazam would lose

#22 Posted by SOG7dc (7568 posts) - - Show Bio

Can anybody provide a logical explanation for why hulk would win?

#23 Posted by JuliantheApostate (52 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

Can anybody provide a logical explanation for why hulk would win?

World Breaker Hulk has one of the most impressive feats of strength and durability. Not to mention his strength and durability will scale higher and higher limitlessly as he gets more and more angry.

#24 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

Can anybody provide a logical explanation for why hulk would win?

No.

#25 Posted by Parallax_Hal_Jordan (870 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain Marvel ftw.

#26 Posted by SOG7dc (7568 posts) - - Show Bio

@juliantheapostate:

what of speed? versatility? magic resistance? speed? Canelo Alvarez hits way harder than Flloyd Mayweather but he couldn't touch Flloyd. so Flloyd was free to pulverize canelo for 12 rounds....why wouldn't the same thing happen here?

#27 Edited by SOG7dc (7568 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

Can anybody provide a logical explanation for why hulk would win?

No.

ikr

#28 Edited by dum529001 (1650 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@juliantheapostate:

what of speed? versatility? magic resistance? speed? Canelo Alvarez hits way harder than Flloyd Mayweather but he couldn't touch Flloyd. so Flloyd was free to pulverize canelo for 12 rounds....why wouldn't the same thing happen here?

You said speed twice, you know. You seem to think Hulk isn't fast or as fast as other top tiers.

We're not discussing how good or bad some boxer's punching technique is. We're talking about the abilties of these two characters and no one else.

-dum529001

#29 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@juliantheapostate:

what of speed? versatility? magic resistance? speed? Canelo Alvarez hits way harder than Flloyd Mayweather but he couldn't touch Flloyd. so Flloyd was free to pulverize canelo for 12 rounds....why wouldn't the same thing happen here?

thats exactly what would happen here. By the way, canelo alvarez hit with 1,000 pounds of force(source: SportScience) and he was thoroughly beat up. thats what would happen here. lets not pretend that hulk has ANYWHERE NEAR the speed of shazaam

#30 Posted by dum529001 (1650 posts) - - Show Bio
#31 Edited by WillPayton (9583 posts) - - Show Bio

@foreverevil:

Exactly how fast is Shazam?

Captain Marvel has the speed of Mercury. How fast is he? Ans: Too fast for Hulk.

#32 Posted by dondave (38632 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001 said:

@foreverevil:

Exactly how fast is Shazam?

Captain Marvel has the speed of Mercury. How fast is he? Ans: Too fast for Hulk.

Is that canon? Also what comic is it, looks interesting

#33 Posted by SHAZAM117 (3389 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Thats from the "Justice" event. I believe it was like 12 issues long IIRC.

And it's not canon i believe

#34 Posted by SirMethos (1345 posts) - - Show Bio

Stalemate. Though Cap. Marvel has a small chance of winning.

1. Hulk is not nearly fast enough to take Cap Marvel down.

On the other hand: 2. Hulk is pretty much impossible to kill.

3. OP has specified that it's "Win by death".

That said, people often seem to forget(or ignore) Cap. Marvel's "Wisdom of Solomon". It's arguably his best, and most versatile power.

#35 Edited by dum529001 (1650 posts) - - Show Bio

@willpayton:

What you've shown doesn't top anything Hulk has done casually.

Examples of Hulk's Power:

Hulk can bust out several thousand of megatons of nuclear power without breaking a sweat. This alone shows that his him up to speed with any character in this thread.

Once again, we can see the Hulk's power easily dwarfs any nuclear assault that earth can muster. Here he shown ripping through a bunker designed to withstand the explosion of many thousands of megatons in magnitude. "Against the force of the gamma-energized Hulk.... it fares not well at all inincredible Hulk #177:

First of all let me ask...

Which is greater?

A. the energy required to pull earth out its orbit of the sun

OR

B. the energy required to reverse the planet's orbit, therefore pushing back and overpowering the electromagnetic force the sun puts on the earth?

The answer is B.

If you would actually read it, this is exactly what the Hulk is shown doing in this comic scan:

Overpowering a field of energy endowed with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet(Tales to Astonish #89)

Hulk has the power to move a planet at baseline.

The fact that the field strength needed to be increased is proof that Hulk was contesting that kind of power.

Even so, Hulk showed power to overcome a planet's kinetic energy, which is better than overcoming the force it has while it's just sitting there in its static state.

It takes 632 quadrillion 850 trillion megatons(6.3285*10^17) just to stop the earth's orbit. Hulk overpowered energy that could not only stop a planet's orbit but reverse it as well, which means Hulk was able to put out even more power than that.

The gravitational binding energy of earth is 224 nontillion joules(224,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). There is 4 quadrillion 184 trillion joules per megaton(1 Mt = 4,184,000,000,000,000 J). Therefore, it takes 53 quadrillion 537 trillion 285 billion megatons to smash earth to smithereens(5.3537285*10^16). That's as much energy as the sun produces in a week! According to what Hulk has shown, Hulk can also destroy a planet at his baseline power level.

Do you know how fast a 1 ton object has to move to put out energy equal to earth's orbital energy?

Since it takes 632 quadrillion 850 trillion megatons or 2 decillion 700 nontillion joules(2.7*10^33)to stop earth's orbit then we just need input 1 ton as our mass value and solve for the speed.

2.7*10^33 Joules=½(1000 kg)(X meters per second)^2

2.7*10^33 Joules/500= 5.4*10^30 = 5,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (dividing)

X^2= 5,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (find the square root of 5 nontillion 400 octillion)

X=2,323,790,000,000,000 m/s (the value of X found!!!)

That's 2 quadrillion 323 trillion 790 billion meters per second!

The speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s. So how much faster than light is a 1 ton object with earth's orbital energy?

2,323,790,000,000,000 meters per second/299,792,458 meters per second=7,751,329.08781

That's 7 million 751 thousand 329 times faster than the speed of light(with some decimal points)!! An incredible speed!

Since the arm is only 6 percent of the body's mass the real speed would be:

6% of 1000 kg= 60 kg

2.7*10^33 Joules=½(60 kg)(X meters per second)^2

2.7*10^33 Joules/30=9*10^31= 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (dividing)

X^2= 90,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (find the square root of 90 nontillion)

X= 9.486833*10^15= 9,486,833,000,000,000 m/s(the value of X found!!!)

That's 9 quadrillion 486 trillion 833 billion meters per second.

9,486,833,000,000,000 meters per second/299,792,458 meters pers second= 31644668.6594

That's 31 million 644 thousand 668 times the speed of light!(with decimal points) An incredible display of Hulk's superhuman speed.

At a second meeting years later, The Stranger recognize that Hulk was even stronger than before because once again, Hulk shrugs off the energy that the Stranger uses in an attempt to render him motionless in Marvel Two-In-One annual #2:

Here's Hulk doing a feat of great cosmic proportions once again:

Applying force to the space-time structure itself to prevent the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure(Defenders #3)(with the size of the singularity estimated in about seven feets according to the Schwarzschild radius, then it's mass/gravitational attraction, by the equivalence principle, is thus equivalent to roughly two hundreds Earths),

Hulk matches power and withstands attacks from Galaxy Master, a foe with planet-splitting power, not once but twice! inincredible Hulk #112and incredible Hulk #270:

Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master, from Incredible Hulk #112:

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Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master rematch, from Incredible Hulk #270:

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One of the Hulk's sons, Hiro-Kala, has the power to throw a planet at the earth with planet-busting force with the use of two power sources known as the "old-power" and "new-power" but the Hulk resists his power inIncredible Hulks #615-16:

World War Hulk vs Hiro Kala, from Incredible Hulks #615-16:

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Here's the Whole Scene of Hulk Pushing apart the two Spheres of Matter and Anti-matter (Marvel Team-Up Annual#2):

This feat involving matter and anti matter is akin to the "irresistible force meets the immovable object".

Anti-matter electrons are on opposite spin from normal matter's electrons and when they collide they start destroy each other and those forces of atomic destruction are converted into energy, the matter and antimatter being destroyed in the process.

It would take unending amounts of energy to stop the energy conversion, because matter and antimatter don't stop bashing each other once they come into contact. To stop the release of energy you'd need irrestible resistance forces.

A single thunderclap shreds an entire battalion of tanks with force of "near nuclear proportions" in Tales to Astonish #67:

Savage Hulk has wracked Hyperion with a single thunderclap -- that also reverberates for blocks and shatters Dr. Spectrum's prism in Defenders#4:

The power of gamma rays on full display here as the Hulk's "gamma-spawned might" can also give light to an "eons-dark cosmos" in Incredible Hulk #126:

The seismic activity produced by Hulk's casual strikes and clashes between other powerhouses are equal to several megatons since they shown around the "9.0" mark on the ritcter scale.

Approximate MagnitudeApproximate TNT for
Seismic Energy Yield
Joule equivalentExample
0.015 g63
0.230 g130 kJLarge hand grenade
0.585 g360 kJ
1.0480 g2.0 MJ
1.21.1 kg4.9 MJSingle stick of dynamite [DynoMax Pro]
1.42.2 kg9.8 MJSeismic impact of typical small construction blast
1.52.7 kg11 MJ
2.015 kg63 MJ
2.121 kg89 MJWest fertilizer plant explosion[21]
2.585 kg360 MJ
3.0480 kg2.0 GJ
3.52.7 metric tons11 GJPEPCON fuel plant explosion, Henderson, Nevada, 1988

Dallas, Texas earthquake, September 30, 2012

3.879.5 metric tons40 GJExplosion at Chernobyl nuclear power plant, 1986
3.9111 metric tons46 GJMassive Ordnance Air Blast bomb

St. Patrick's Day earthquake, Auckland, New Zealand, 2013 [22][23]

4.015 metric tons63 GJMaine/New England, October 16, 2012
4.343 metric tons180 GJKent Earthquake (Britain), 2007

Eastern Kentucky earthquake, November 2012

5.0480 metric tons2.0 TJLincolnshire earthquake (UK), 2008

Ontario-Quebec earthquake (Canada), 2010[24][25]

5.52.7 kilotons11 TJLittle Skull Mtn. earthquake (Nevada, USA), 1992

Oklahoma City bombing, 1995 Alum Rock earthquake (California), 2007
Chino Hills earthquake (Southern California), 2008

5.63.8 kilotons16 TJNewcastle, Australia, 1989

Oklahoma, 2011
Pernik, Bulgaria, 2012

6.015 kilotons63 TJDouble Spring Flat earthquake (Nevada, USA), 1994

Approximate magnitude of Virginia/Washington, D.C./East Coast earthquake, 2011
Approximate yield of the Little Boy Atomic Bomb dropped onHiroshima (~16 kt)

6.343 kilotons180 TJRhodes earthquake (Greece), 2008

Jericho earthquake (British Palestine), 1927
Christchurch earthquake (New Zealand), 2011

6.460 kilotons250 TJKaohsiung earthquake (Taiwan), 2010

Vancouver earthquake (Canada), 2011

6.585 kilotons360 TJCaracas earthquake (Venezuela), 1967

Irpinia earthquake (Italy), 1980
Eureka earthquake (California, USA), 2010
Zumpango del Rio earthquake (Guerrero, Mexico), 2011[26]

6.6120 kilotons500 TJSan Fernando earthquake (California, USA), 1971
6.7170 kilotons710 TJNorthridge earthquake (California, USA), 1994
6.8240 kilotons1.0 PJNisqually earthquake (Anderson Island, WA), 2001

Great Hanshin earthquake (Kobe, Japan), 1995
Gisborne earthquake (Gisborne, NZ), 2007

6.9340 kilotons1.4 PJSan Francisco Bay Area earthquake (California, USA), 1989

Pichilemu earthquake (Chile), 2010
Sikkim earthquake (Nepal-India Border), 2011

7.0480 kilotons2.0 PJJava earthquake (Indonesia), 2009

Haiti earthquake, 2010

7.1680 kilotons2.8 PJMessina earthquake (Italy), 1908

San Juan earthquake (Argentina), 1944
Canterbury earthquake (New Zealand), 2010

7.2950 kilotons4.0 PJVrancea earthquake (Romania), 1977

1980 Azores Islands Earthquake
Baja California earthquake (Mexico), 2010

7.52.7 megatons11 PJKashmir earthquake (Pakistan), 2005

Antofagasta earthquake (Chile), 2007

7.63.8 megatons16 PJNicoya earthquake (Costa Rica), 2012

Oaxaca earthquake (Mexico), 2012
Gujarat earthquake (India), 2001
İzmit earthquake (Turkey), 1999
Jiji earthquake (Taiwan), 1999

7.75.4 megatons22 PJSumatra earthquake (Indonesia), 2010

Haida Gwaii earthquake (Canada), 2012

7.87.6 megatons32 PJTangshan earthquake (China), 1976

Hawke's Bay earthquake (New Zealand), 1931
Luzon earthquake (Philippines), 1990

7.910-15 megatons42-63 PJTunguska event
1802 Vrancea earthquake

Great Kanto earthquake (Japan), 1923

8.015 megatons63 PJMino-Owari earthquake (Japan), 1891

San Juan earthquake (Argentina), 1894
San Francisco earthquake (California, USA), 1906
Queen Charlotte Islands earthquake (B.C., Canada), 1949
Chincha Alta earthquake (Peru), 2007
Sichuan earthquake (China), 2008
Kangra earthquake, 1905

8.121 megatons89 PJMéxico City earthquake (Mexico), 1985

Guam earthquake, August 8, 1993[27]

8.3550 megatons210 PJTsar Bomba - Largest thermonuclear weapon ever tested
8.585 megatons360 PJSumatra earthquake (Indonesia), 2007
8.6120 megatons500 PJSumatra earthquake (Indonesia), 2012
8.7170 megatons710 PJSumatra earthquake (Indonesia), 2005
8.75200 megatons840 PJKrakatoa 1883
8.8240 megatons1.0 EJChile earthquake, 2010,
9.0480 megatons2.0 EJLisbon earthquake (Portugal), All Saints Day, 1755
The Great Japan earthquake, March 2011
9.15800 megatons3.3 EJToba eruption 75,000 years ago; among the largest known volcanic events.[28]
9.2950 megatons4.0 EJAnchorage earthquake (Alaska, USA), 1964
Sumatra-Andaman earthquake and tsunami (Indonesia), 2004
9.52.7 gigatons11 EJValdivia earthquake (Chile), 1960
10.015 gigatons63 EJNever recorded, equivalent to an earthquake rupturing a very large, lengthy fault, or an extremely rare/impossible mega-earthquake, shown in science fiction[clarification needed]
12.55100 teratons420 ZJYucatán Peninsula impact (creating Chicxulub crater) 65 Ma ago (108megatons; over 4x1030 ergs = 400 ZJ).[29][30][31][32][33]
22.88 or 32310 yottatons1.3×1039 JApproximate magnitude of the starquake on the magnetar SGR 1806-20, registered on December 27, 2004.[clarification needed]

While they can be localized, most of the time Savage Hulk's shockwaves are catastrophic in nature. Here the shockwaves are registered by seismologists in Incredible Hulk #147:

A double-fist pound's shockwave rumbles the Rainbow Bridge enough to toss aside Heimdall in Tales to Astonish #101:

He's destroyed an entire subterranean city with the shockwaves produced by a single blow in Incredible Hulk#127:

His double-fist pounds have caused volcanic eruptions in Incredible Hulk #117 and 170:

Once again, here's another good example of Hulk's great striking power in Incredible Hulk #118:

Even while in upstate New York, his shockwaves are felt instantly miles away in Maine in Incredible Hulk Annual 2001:

A single footstomp's "shockwave causes devastation for miles" in Incredible Hulk Annual 2001:

Another double-fist pound sends shockwaves rippling across a town in Deadpool vol.5 #39:

He punches a platform underneath a gigantic Wendigo and Bi-Beast so hard, he sends them to outer space inIncredible Hulks#631:

Savage Hulk clashes with Hyperion and the shockwaves they radiate are felt "countless miles away, [as] geologists look to their seismographs -- then shake their heads in disbelief." From Defenders #13:

But Savage Hulk can wreak even greater havoc solo. Here, Savage Hulk's double-fist pound in Colorado creates shockwaves that are felt all the way out inDenmark, from Incredible Hulk Annual #5:

Here, he tears open the side of a mountain base in Incredible Hulk vol.2 #64:

And Hulk has also opened a fissure in the earth in Incredible Hulk #130-135:

And he's also stopped and close a rift using only his hands in incredible Hulk #203:

Hulk can punch through doors made to handle a nuclear strike:

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Hulk punches right through a mountain busting warhead:

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Hulk's superhuman reaction speed & long distance travel speed.

Okay, first of all, Hulk is not slow. He may not be agile and skilled fighter(some of the time), but he is not slow at all. He's extremey fast.

To suggest that Spider-man, Daredevil, Wolverine, or someone other than a top tier powerhouse is as fast or faster than the Hulk is ludicrous.

Bullet dodging does not automatically mean you have bullet speed. The way you dodged it does matter.

The point is that dodging and such is not always about raw speed. Again, the way you dodge actually does matter.

A. Spider-man has early-warning thanks to his spider-sense and dodges the aim of his opponent strikes just before they fire and reach anywhere near full-speed since most of the times what he doges is too fast for him to out-race by either the speed at which he extends his limbs to make a strike of his own or flies forward like rocket.

Wolverine can do the same to missles that fly at him close enough (without the spider-sense), placing himslef in posistion to slash a missile, without moving his arm or body at missle-speed.

Dodging or diving into the aim of a projectle in the moment before its aim is right on its target does not mean your moving as fast as the object fired. Moving the moment just before the shot is fired is not about raw speed. Its just about being a step ahead of the opponent.

Being able to move your body in the same moment the projectile is already trained on its target and firing(or after its been fired) and be able to make it in time, is a true feat of speed.

When Hulk and Thor dodge and block super-fast projectiles, they do it with pure speed.

Hulk and Thor's bodily energy is on the level of a star or greater. The sun of our solar system is 333,000 times more massive than earth and every particle of it is jumping around at the speed of light. the sun even travels around the galaxy at 225 kilometers per second, which is Mach 661(661 times the speed of sound). Hulk and Thor are not anywhere near as massive. Can you imagine how fast they are? Can you imagine how fast their muscles contract? It would have to be at light-speed or greater.

These guys are living atomic-bombs taken to the extreme!!! Muscular systems that contract with the power of nukes!

In an all out fight, unless you have the power to move with the speed of a nuclear explosion, which is light-speed or faster, you don't have chance of keeping pace with characters like Hulk and Thor through pure speed.

"Power" is how quickly you can move an object over a distance, the rate at which you do "work". P= w/t

"Work" is exerting force on an object and moving it over a distance. W= F x d

"Force" is mass multipled by an objects rate of motion. F= m x a

B. And Spider-man catching missles with his web doesn't count as a speed feat for Spider-man

Spider-man used webbing. Doesn't count as a speed feat for Spider-man himself since Spider-man's body does not move at the same rate as his webbing. That's why he has to use webbing for that kind of thing(catching missles). Spider-man's body doesn't move at anywhere near missile-speed.

Spider-man's reaction time is good but it is certainly not missile-speed.

And so Thor and Hulk are just a very fast guys and do not have to rely on agility and fighting skill to dodge and block super-fast projectiles.

As for the Hulk while in battles....

Hulk has never said: "Oh, they're too fast for me! The Hulk has, however, expressed annoyance over cowardly hit-and-run tactics. Jumping within range to attack and then jumping out of range.

And keep in mind Hulk doesn't fight lower-level characters the same way he fights characrters on his power-level like Abomination, Thor, Hercules, Silvers Surfer, Jueggernaut, Hyperion, Sentry, etc.

When Hulk and Thor engage characters on the level of Spider-man, Wolverine and Thing , the punches they throw won't be same. The mere secondary air-shockwaves coming from a serious Hulk-punch/Thor-punch would be enough to kill those guys(like the secondary super-sonic shockwaves from nuclear explosions).Hulk and Thor wouldn't even have to make anywhere close to a direct hit in order to kill them. The secondary shockwave of an atomic bomb starts at about 184 Km/s or Mach 540!

Hulk also lets himself get hit all the time because he's extremely tough in the first place and any apparent damage he may isn't permanent kind and won't destroy him and he becomes stronger according the strain of combat.

As for long distance travel speed......

Hulk super-powered muscles allow him to run and jump at speeds far greater than the finest human athlete.

His speed is limited by the strength of the ground. Once he reaches a certain speed his legs punch through and the destroy the ground around him which gives him no friction to run on.

Making tremedous jumps in orderto travel overcome this limitation partially but even with jumping he is similarly limited in long distance travel speed due to the overwhelming pressure his full strength puts on the ground.

Examples:

It would be perfectly reasonable to assume that a 8' tall, 1000+ lbs. monster would be a slow lumbering beast. However, from the beginning, Savage Hulk has always possessed superhuman speed belying his enormous size. His feats of agility and speed are typically accompanied by these sorts of descriptions, "Suddenly, moving with blinding speed which, seems impossible for one so huge..." FromIncredible Hulk #4:

The same happens when he fights the Fantastic Four, "Moving with unbelievable speed for one so huge..." From Fantastic Four #12:

Later on when wrapped up by Mr. Fantastic, he escapes by spinning around like a tornado:

In his rematch with Thing he once again begins "moving with surprising speed for one so huge..." inFantastic Four #25:

He even ends up catching a fired artillery shell and "without stopping, in one smooth, continuous motion, he spins around, using the momentum of the hurtling shell to help propel his giant frame... he releases it" in Fantastic Four #26:

Special weapons and tactics squads try firing bazookas at Savage Hulk "but unfortunately, that 'somethin' isn't quite as fast as the Hulk!" From Iron Man #131:

He's snatched rockets and missiles out of the air in Giant-Size Defenders #2, Incredible Hulk #245 and Incredible Hulk vol.2 #101:

Savage Hulk has even batted artillery shells in Incredible Hulk #208:

And caught a S.H.I.E.L.D hovercar in incredible hulk #298:

Here he thwarts a crowd of minions, "moving with uncanny speed for one so huge, the green behemoth suddenly tears up an entire section of the stone floor" inTales to Astonish #76:

Savage Hulk confronts a barrage of artillery, "[m]oving with lumbering speed that belies his massive frame, the awesome Hulk thunders toward a gigantic boulder, a hundred feet away" inTales to Astonish#82:

He has been described as having "lightning-fast reflexes" in Marvel Feature #3 and Incredible Hulk#276:

Comet Man is amazed, "How can he be that big and move so fast?!" From Comet Man #3:

And His speed is remarked upon by his fellow Avengers as well in incredible Hulk #316:

Savage Hulk grabs his enemy "with a swiftness that defies belief!" From Incredible Hulk #264:

The Mandarin notes Hulk's incredible reflexes well in Incredible Hulk #107:

Doctor Doom is quick to note, "you are far more agile than I anticipated from one of your size!" FromIncredible Hulk #144:

Even the amazing Spider-Man throughout his career can only evade Savage Hulk for so long as shown early on in Amazing Spider-Man #120, and later on inPeter Parker: Spider-Man#14:

He can actually perform surprisingly agile swordplay in Incredible Hulk vol.2 #92:

A point-blank ambush by Wolverine is deftly blocked by Savage Hulk in Wolverine Origins #28:

Savage Hulk is one of the few people who's easily snatched Cap's shield throw, from Avengers vol.3 #75:

And just as easily, Joe Fixit-Hulk bats down tanks shells and catches Hawkeye's arrows and Spiderman's webbing in The Order #1, Hulk Smash Avengers #4 and Incredible Hulk #349:

Hulk smacks down projectiles from the Villain Boomerang before they could even explode in incredible hulk #274:

Speedsters like Quicksilver and Bluestreak get swatted away in Incredible Hulk #175, The Order #3, Last Hero standing vol 1. #1-5, and Incredible Hulk #369:

He even smacks down Peitro(Quicksilver) when he is possessed by a god in Mighty Avengers #23:

Savage Hulk confronts a barrage of artillery, "[m]oving with lumbering speed that belies his massive frame, the awesome Hulk thunders toward a gigantic boulder, a hundred feet away" inTales to Astonish#82:

Hulk runs down and catches two soldiers wore armor (similar to Iron-Man) developed by Tony Stark and U.S. Armed Forces inMarvel Salutes the US Military #1-10:

One of Savage Hulk's most defining characteristics is his ability to make gargantuan leaps that cross miles, from Incredible Hulk#3&6 and Tales to Astonish #66 & 67, incredible Hulk #272-273, #274:

Which isn't surprising considering he's been measured at 473 mph in Incredible Hulk Annual 2000:

While tracking Savage Hulk's movement across the United States, Black Panther notes that he'll be in California in mere hours inIncredible Hulk#128:

He travels faster than jetliners and has crossed the China sea here in Incredible Hulk #5:

Even more than that, he has crossed the entire Pacific Ocean by jumping from isle to isle in Tales to Astonish #68:

The pacific ocean is 8,637 miles from north to south and 1,100 miles from east to west. Hulk shows he can jump thousands of miles in a single bound.

Which may seem nonsensical but his transcontinental leaping abilities reappear in Incredible Hulk vol.2 #24:

And these leaps only require "scarcely more than a twitch" of his muscles in Incredible Hulk #314:

A Wakandan experiences this firsthand noting, "Bruce jumped nearly a mile up into the sky, at an angle that, once it decayed -- would bring him down hundreds of miles from where we left mere seconds before!"Which is topped by another leap that covered "nearly a thousand miles this time" in Incredible Hulk vol.2 #33:

100 miles per second is mach 472. 1000 miles per second is mach 4,792. 1 mach is equal to he speed of sound. Hulk jumped going hundreds and thousands of times the speed of sound with ease.

Hulk has been shown to easily jump vertically at a speed of mach 24, earth's escape velocity, which is the same as 18,000 miles per hour or 5 miles per second. By the time Hulk had traveled 1 mile vertically he had also traveled 1000 miles horizontally, all in the time of 1 second or a fraction of a second.

He can overtake a fighter jet with a leap "like it was standin still" in Incredible Hulk #206 and 258:

He's caught up to missiles with his leaps in Tales to Astonish #61 and incredible hulk #5:

And intercontinental rockets in Incredible Hulk #117:

And aircrafts in Incredible Hulk 157-158, incredible hulk #298 and incredible #Hulk 409:

Savage Hulk makes it to the top of Mount Olympus in a single leap in Hulk Vs Hercules: When Titans Collide #1:

The Hulk leaps to escape velocity,into outer space in Incredible Hulk #254 and Incredible Hulk Annual#10:

"For an object to escape the earths atmoshphere, it must have an initial velocity of Mach 34. Reference:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity. For Hulk to perform such a feat, his legs would have to accelerate and propel someone of his weight, which is approximately 2000 pounds, at even greater speeds than so. It is absolutely impossible for the Hulk to perform a feat with strength without the proportional acceration of an object (his body) as well." source (SlimJ87D

Hulk rushes the police in Incredible Hulk #206-207:

Jack of Hearts remarks, "It's impossible! Nothing alive can move that fast!" From Incredible Hulk #214:

And again, Hulk frequently uses his super-leaps to very quickly close the distance between him and his foes as shown Inincredible Hulk in #117 and mostly of every Hulk comic:

Hulk is also a good swimmer. it has been noted that he can swim at a speed of 80 knots which is over 90 mph. From Incredible Hulk vol.2 #33:

He's even battled Namor many times in the deepest parts of the ocean incredible Hulk #118:

#36 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001: i think his point is that it doesnt matter how strong hulk is cause he'd NEVER land a hit

#37 Edited by dum529001 (1650 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirmethos:

Regyalr Savge Hulk is enogh trouble. Captain Marvel has no chance against Worldbreaker Hulk.

Examples of Hulk's Power level in "Worldbreaker" mode:

Hulk fights the Red Hulk!!

Red Hulk beats down Uatu, the Watcher through his ability of absorbing energy from other Super-powered Beings enhance his own strength in Hulk #4.

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Red Hulk beats down Odinforce-Thor in the same way he beat the Watcher in Hulk #5

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Hulk finally beats Red Hulk in Hulk #6

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World War Hulk was powerful enough to match an all-out Sentry, a guy with the power of a million exploding suns, blow for blow inWorld War Hulk #5:

Hulk fights and defeats Dr. Strange while he's possessed by Zom, a demon even more powerful than Dr. Strange,Dormmamu or Umar

Zom-possessed Strange literally blew gaping holes through World War Hulk and he'd heal them in the space of panels, from World War Hulk #4:

Everything done in the World War Hulk storyline is Hulk holding back with his punches. Amadeus Cho confirms that with his abilities in Hulk Vs Hercules: When Titans Collide #1:

There isn't really anybody in comics who gets a second wind like World War Hulk. After Bruce and Bob beat the alter-egos out of each other, a spike of anger just brings back a seemingly exhausted World War Hulk to full power... and beyond. From World War Hulk #5:

and there he is going "worldbreaker"...

As he ascends towards Worldbreaker levels, the shockwaves from even a single footstep are felt for hundreds of miles around, tossing helicopters in the air, and causing nearly irreparable damage to the bedrock of the Eastern Seaboard.

Even after he allowed the heroes to drain his gamma away, the damage he caused would have split Manhattan Island in half. FromWorld War Hulk: Aftersmash#1:

The consequences of the Worldbreaker's shockwaves are unequivocally continental in scale. Amadeus Cho reminds Red She-Hulk, "I know. I'm not worried about you... just the rest of the freaking continent." FromIncredible Hulks #632:

And again in Son of Hulk #11-12

(Incredible Hulks #610-611)

It's made clear that the "worldbreaker" power-level wasn't just a one time feat. When he's pushed towards Worldbreaker levels again, the shockwaves produced are felt once again throughout the Eastern Seaboard mirroring his previous footstep. FromIncredible Hulk #610:

Here are Hulk's fights with his Son, Skaar, as the "World Breaker":

Savage Hulk vs Skaar, from Skaar: Son of Hulk #12:

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And Again....

So we know, at worldbreaker power-levels, the Hulk ( and red she-hulk) make the earth quake merely by standing and could sink continents with a footstep.

obviously there's a difference in the amount of effort put into a punch and a footstep. Punches pack way more power and proportion speed than footsteps.

Merely by clashing with Red She-hulk, WB Hulk indirectly......

A. destroyed a planet

AND

B. vaporized a guy on Silver Sufer power-level, as well as guys who rivaled Hulk at base-levels, and the Mindless ones(he even lets the guys attack him so he can amp up that much faster!!).

None of these things were even remotely the focal point of WB Hulk's attack, so they were taking the smallest effects of Hulk's(and Red She-hulk's) power, but they were still destroyed. That's just shows how insanely powerful WB Hulk is.

In a fight, when like-forces collide, 99.99 percert of that force should cancel out between the two forces. Some Marvel characters have been shown rocking and decimating universes merely by the collision of them and their opponent's power. The tiny bit of leftover force from their collsion was enough to decimate planets and universes!!!! That's just crazy powerful.

It's plain to see that worlbreaker Hulk's power is far above the average planet-busting powerhouse.

World War Hulk tosses Fin Fang Foom backwards with such force that Umar's enchanted shields are shattered in Incredible Hulks #634:

Despite the Red Hulk having forcibly absorbed some of World War Hulk's gamma energies, he is defeated by a final thunderclap inHulk #24:

#38 Posted by SOG7dc (7568 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@juliantheapostate:

what of speed? versatility? magic resistance? speed? Canelo Alvarez hits way harder than Flloyd Mayweather but he couldn't touch Flloyd. so Flloyd was free to pulverize canelo for 12 rounds....why wouldn't the same thing happen here?

You said speed twice, you know. You seem to think Hulk isn't fast or as fast as other top tiers.

We're not discussing how good or bad some boxer's punching technique is. We're talking about the abilties of these two characters and no one else.

-dum529001

yes im aware. I did it on purpose.

he isn't.... on this site we go buy would would really happen. not by the CIS in comic books or PIS. we go by the fact that logically hulk would not be able to land a blow on Shazam.

and the analogy I made has everything to do with this. granted neither combatant will be using convetional boxing technique the goal is the same. to inflict damage on your opponent while taking the least amount of damage to ones self. shazam has a speed and versatility advantage. that means that a) hulk wont be able to touch him and b) shazam has multiple ways of taking hulk out whereas hulk only has one (brute force) of trying to take shazam out. and as Ali said. "you hands cant hit what your eyes cant see"

#39 Posted by dum529001 (1650 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001: i think his point is that it doesnt matter how strong hulk is cause he'd NEVER land a hit

You must not recognize Hulk speed then becasue I just posted plenty of examples.

-dum529001

#40 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

did you seriously just scan bomb this page with pointless feats? cmon bro

#41 Posted by SOG7dc (7568 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001: i think his point is that it doesnt matter how strong hulk is cause he'd NEVER land a hit

precisely. aquaman is leagues stronger than spiderman but aquaman would never logically be able to land a punch on spidey.

#42 Posted by dondave (38632 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Thats from the "Justice" event. I believe it was like 12 issues long IIRC.

And it's not canon i believe

Thanks, I've actually read it just forgotten that scene

#43 Edited by dum529001 (1650 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@dum529001 said:

@sog7dc said:

@juliantheapostate:

what of speed? versatility? magic resistance? speed? Canelo Alvarez hits way harder than Flloyd Mayweather but he couldn't touch Flloyd. so Flloyd was free to pulverize canelo for 12 rounds....why wouldn't the same thing happen here?

You said speed twice, you know. You seem to think Hulk isn't fast or as fast as other top tiers.

We're not discussing how good or bad some boxer's punching technique is. We're talking about the abilties of these two characters and no one else.

-dum529001

yes im aware. I did it on purpose.

he isn't.... on this site we go buy would would really happen. not by the CIS in comic books or PIS. we go by the fact that logically hulk would not be able to land a blow on Shazam.

and the analogy I made has everything to do with this. granted neither combatant will be using convetional boxing technique the goal is the same. to inflict damage on your opponent while taking the least amount of damage to ones self. shazam has a speed and versatility advantage. that means that a) hulk wont be able to touch him and b) shazam has multiple ways of taking hulk out whereas hulk only has one (brute force) of trying to take shazam out. and as Ali said. "you hands cant hit what your eyes cant see"

Why don't you prove what you say about Hulk's speed?

Its not fact just becasue YOU say it. Provide examples. Give some good proof to back up what you say.

I've given good examples. What have you done besides saying things but having nothing solid to back you up?

#44 Posted by WillPayton (9583 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Thats from the "Justice" event. I believe it was like 12 issues long IIRC.

And it's not canon i believe

Even if it's not strictly canon, it's consistent with his speed as generally shown. He has the speed of Mercury and is usually on par with Superman during fights and when flying around at superspeed.

Superman considers CM his equal in every way:

Approaches and hits Superman before he can even notice:

#45 Posted by dondave (38632 posts) - - Show Bio
#46 Posted by GhostRavage (9211 posts) - - Show Bio

@dum529001: That a lot... and i mean a LOT of scans... Put it on Spoiler Block before some mod comes and erases your comment.

#47 Edited by WillPayton (9583 posts) - - Show Bio

did you seriously just scan bomb this page with pointless feats? cmon bro

He likes to do that anytime someone says that Hulk loses a fight.

#48 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

4 more posts and we can go to page 2 and avoid all these scans that are killing my bandwith.. YES

#49 Posted by ForeverEvil (4788 posts) - - Show Bio

3 more

#50 Posted by Fallschirmjager (18460 posts) - - Show Bio

@sog7dc said:

@foreverevil said:

@dum529001: i think his point is that it doesnt matter how strong hulk is cause he'd NEVER land a hit

precisely. aquaman is leagues stronger than spiderman but aquaman would never logically be able to land a punch on spidey.

That is a horrible comparison with no merit.