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#1 Posted by AllmightyJackson (69 posts) - - Show Bio

VS

Where:

Fight takes place on an abandoned Asgard. The Rock of Eternity has been transported there and is now hovering many miles above the fabled realm.

Rules:

No rules. This is a Knock down drag out type of fight. KO or Death wins. (No PIS)

#2 Posted by AllmightyJackson (69 posts) - - Show Bio

I think the All Father is gonna take this one.

#3 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin.

#4 Posted by BigBadBiff (30 posts) - - Show Bio

You guys are crazy. Lord Marvel was able to go up against the Spectre which is DC's equivalent to The Living Tribunal. Odin would get blinked out of existence if you tried to go up against The Living Tribunal.

Batson owns this one easily!

#5 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigBadBiff said:

You guys are crazy. Lord Marvel was able to go up against the Spectre which is DC's equivalent to The Living Tribunal. Odin would get blinked out of existence if you tried to go up against The Living Tribunal.

Batson owns this one easily!

Living Tribunal>>>>>>Spectre

Odin>>>>>Lord Marvel

Any one could go up against anyone what matters is how you were against them

#6 Posted by BigBadBiff (30 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: Living Tribunal is Not greater than the Spectre. That would be the stalemate to end all. In the Amalgam comics it was just the Spectre and The Living Tribunal holding both universes together.

Lord Marvel has access to of ALL the Magic in the DC universe. ALL! Odin couldn't keep up for very long.

#7 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigBadBiff said:

@jeanroygrant: Living Tribunal is Not greater than the Spectre. That would be the stalemate to end all. In the Amalgam comics it was just the Spectre and The Living Tribunal holding both universes together.

Lord Marvel has access to of ALL the Magic in the DC universe. ALL! Odin couldn't keep up for very long.

Crossovers aren't canon

The same Lord Marvel getting beat by Black Adam??

#8 Posted by BigBadBiff (30 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: The very same. And that Black Adam Fight was PIS you didnt see Black Adam handing out defeats to SHAZAAM did you? Besides you just said "Any one could go up against anyone what matters is how you were against them"

On top of that Odin has peers on his power level Captain Marvel does not.

#9 Posted by AllmightyJackson (69 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigBadBiff: I do remember hearing that Billy was supposed to be so powerful as Lord Marvel but I don't remember him doing anything spectacular.

I think the magic lightening on both sides is the X factor.

#10 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigBadBiff said:

@jeanroygrant: The very same. And that Black Adam Fight was PIS you didnt see Black Adam handing out defeats to SHAZAAM did you? Besides you just said "Any one could go up against anyone what matters is how you were against them"

On top of that Odin has peers on his power level Captain Marvel does not.

Odin is a Galaxy buster you know...

#11 Posted by Supreme Cosmic (764 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigBadBiff said:

You guys are crazy. Lord Marvel was able to go up against the Spectre which is DC's equivalent to The Living Tribunal. Odin would get blinked out of existence if you tried to go up against The Living Tribunal.

Batson owns this one easily!

Just when I was certain that people finally stopped believing that, I read something like that lol

#12 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Supreme Cosmic said:

@BigBadBiff said:

You guys are crazy. Lord Marvel was able to go up against the Spectre which is DC's equivalent to The Living Tribunal. Odin would get blinked out of existence if you tried to go up against The Living Tribunal.

Batson owns this one easily!

Just when I was certain that people finally stopped believing that, I read something like that lol

LOL

#13 Posted by oceanside1 (5 posts) - - Show Bio
 Bad writing cannot save Odin here. Lord Marvel should beat Odin & Thor together having access to all the good DC magic.
#14 Posted by BigBadBiff (30 posts) - - Show Bio

The All-father is simply not in the same league as Lord Marvel.

#15 Posted by *Void* (874 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigBadBiff said:

You guys are crazy. Lord Marvel was able to go up against the Spectre which is DC's equivalent to The Living Tribunal. Odin would get blinked out of existence if you tried to go up against The Living Tribunal.

Batson owns this one easily!

Oh god, This again.

#16 Posted by BigBadBiff (30 posts) - - Show Bio

@*Void* said:

@BigBadBiff said:

You guys are crazy. Lord Marvel was able to go up against the Spectre which is DC's equivalent to The Living Tribunal. Odin would get blinked out of existence if you tried to go up against The Living Tribunal.

Batson owns this one easily!

Oh god, This again.

What again? Batson as Lord Marvel is damn near Supreme when it comes to magic.

#17 Posted by Killemall (18307 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigBadBiff said:

What again? Batson as Lord Marvel is damn near Supreme when it comes to magic.

He still doesnt have feats to back it up, thats the problem. Odin on the other has does.

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#18 Posted by thatguy (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin has feats. But I'll take Lord Marvel anyways. lol

#19 Posted by baron2011 (1151 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@BigBadBiff said:

What again? Batson as Lord Marvel is damn near Supreme when it comes to magic.

He still doesnt have feats to back it up, thats the problem. Odin on the other has does.

odin has what?

a 40 years old scan where you can't even be sure that odin did realy bust that galaxy

#20 Posted by Killemall (18307 posts) - - Show Bio

@baron2011 said:

@Killemall said:odin has what?

a 40 years old scan where you can't even be sure that odin did realy bust that galaxy

I never said Odin was a galaxy buster, but Odin still has impressive feats. Being able to fight off Surtur who's a high end skyfather, Yamir, memphisto, galactus. I am not taking about 40 year old scans and i am not saying Odin is a galaxy buster either, but it is well established that he is mega-powerful. So yeah i think feats wise Odin sure has a lot more than what Lord Marvel has.

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#21 Posted by Saren (25326 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin easily. If the only point that can be raised in favor of Shazam is that fight with Spectre in Day of Vengeance, please note that Shazam lost horrifically. He thought he'd drained the Spectre of power, until the Spectre simply reformed himself and tore the magic out of him.

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#22 Posted by progenitor (7532 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin ftw.

#23 Posted by King Saturn (223834 posts) - - Show Bio
I am not sure about this one... it's possible we are overestimating Lord Marvel here... now I have heard people say that Black Adam beating Lord Marvel was PIS... But was it really ? I mean this same Black Adam was taking on the JSA in World War 3 as well as he was battling Superman and Captain Marvel well back in the days before COIE... perhaps the writers see Black Adam as a legit threat that is above an average Superman level character... otherwise why would Black Adam have multiple occuring feats of him doing things like this ? Also even if Lord Marvel was able to battle with The Spectre... The Spectre at times is Inconsistent with his power level... so it's hard to say what to make of that. Though at the same time, Odin is not the Instant Galaxy Busting Entity people have tried to make him out to be either.
#24 Posted by termiteone4ever (7002 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@BigBadBiff said:

What again? Batson as Lord Marvel is damn near Supreme when it comes to magic.

He still doesnt have feats to back it up, thats the problem. Odin on the other has does.

This is correct

#25 Posted by BigBadBiff (30 posts) - - Show Bio

@termiteone4ever said:

@Killemall said:

@BigBadBiff said:

What again? Batson as Lord Marvel is damn near Supreme when it comes to magic.

He still doesnt have feats to back it up, thats the problem. Odin on the other has does.

This is correct

Feats? If the only thing keeping you from seeing the truth is feats then you just need something to compare it to. How about this.

If regular Thor was fighting regular Odin he would lose. Now, if regular Thor got infused with ALL the magic in the Marvel Universe he would stomp Odin very easily. Now take that exact same scenario and replace Thor with someone of comparable power like Captain Marvel and you'd have the same results. Lord Marvel has access to ALL the magic in the DC universe. Odin doesn't stand a chance against someone with this level of power.

And as far as feats go of course Odin would have way more feats than Lord Marvel because he's been around way longer. Plus anybody with Lord Marvels level of power rarely has any feats to go along with it. A feat would be fighting them and surviving.

Seriously, think about it. What feats. does Death have? What feats does Master Order or Lord Chaos have? What have we seen The One Above All do? The answer is nothing that we haven't seen Doctor Strange do 10x over but its understood that even without feats he is not on the same power level.

#26 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio
@BigBadBiff said:

@termiteone4ever said:

@Killemall said:

@BigBadBiff said:

What again? Batson as Lord Marvel is damn near Supreme when it comes to magic.

He still doesnt have feats to back it up, thats the problem. Odin on the other has does.

This is correct

Feats? If the only thing keeping you from seeing the truth is feats then you just need something to compare it to. How about this.

If regular Thor was fighting regular Odin he would lose. Now, if regular Thor got infused with ALL the magic in the Marvel Universe he would stomp Odin very easily. Now take that exact same scenario and replace Thor with someone of comparable power like Captain Marvel and you'd have the same results. Lord Marvel has access to ALL the magic in the DC universe. Odin doesn't stand a chance against someone with this level of power.

And as far as feats go of course Odin would have way more feats than Lord Marvel because he's been around way longer. Plus anybody with Lord Marvels level of power rarely has any feats to go along with it. A feat would be fighting them and surviving.

Seriously, think about it. What feats. does Death have? What feats does Master Order or Lord Chaos have? What have we seen The One Above All do? The answer is nothing that we haven't seen Doctor Strange do 10x over but its understood that even without feats he is not on the same power level.

Thor had Mjolnir, his own power and Odin Force and still wasn't even close to Odin's level, since he never really used his power on this level.
#27 Posted by SexualLobster (995 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin.

#28 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (5187 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin kills Marvel

#29 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin destroys him!

#30 Posted by CHUCKY47 (254 posts) - - Show Bio

Good contest but odin will end up winning

#31 Edited by New_World_Order (12604 posts) - - Show Bio

King Thor would have been a better match, and he would still win.

#32 Posted by MissingLink (131 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigbadbiff: As a major DC fan, it pains me to that the spectre isn't omnipotent, and LT is.

#33 Posted by eternityx (2516 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin

#34 Edited by dorukesin (5125 posts) - - Show Bio

Billy in a good fight

#35 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2966 posts) - - Show Bio

What did Billy do as Lord marvel? Didint he lose to Black Adam

#36 Posted by JwwProd (8761 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin stomps.

#37 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

Missinglink:, Spectre is omnipotent actually currently...due to God allowing it.

But will go Lord Marvel here.

#38 Posted by Van_Cere (1540 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: spectre is far from omnipotent, he actually is weaker than before.

#39 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@ Van_Cere: Incorrect. Spectre is stronger actually currently, his fight with Phantom Stranger was literally destroying the multiverse. Presence/God said this and told them to stop or else more or less, I have the issue...he's more powerful then he was. Most people here don't even read PS....he's omnipotent, his past fights with PS never put the multiverse at risk as it did in N52 when they clashed.

Even confirms he's Virtually Omnipotent via his wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectre_(comics)#Powers_and_abilities

#40 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2966 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: He can't be omnipotent if the prescence is stronger than him. Unless the prescence is not omnipotent but then he cant make an omnipotent so who is omnipotent? I say bob the builder

#41 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@bronze_surfer said:

@vaeternus: He can't be omnipotent if the prescence is stronger than him. Unless the prescence is not omnipotent but then he cant make an omnipotent so who is omnipotent? I say bob the builder

That theory does not make sense because in that case, I'll tell you why because that's pretty much saying " nobody can be omnipotent except for Presence, TOAA etc" so by that logic that would mean LT isn't either then...so you can't have that rule both ways, know what I mean? If you're going to say Spectre isn't ominipotent then neither is LT and anyone else beneath TOAA and Presence. ;)

Spectre's power is based off Presences/God's given power, he allows him to do a lot and I said virtually omnipotent, not fully. Meaning he is...to a point(Presence's limit on him) The point is Lord Marvel effected Spectre which is still a great feat regardless, Odin is powerful but in a lot of cases vastly overrated.

#42 Edited by Bronze_Surfer (2966 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: But I'm not claiming Lt is omnipotent. Anyone who would is wrong just read Marvel The End. Prescence being Omni can be argued but it really has no point here at least.

Actually you said he was Omnipotent in post 37 and 39. Regardless he did not fight Lord Marvel. Pre 52 Unbound did. Not only did they say later on they needed to get him by surprise to have him retreet IIRC but that was not a normal Lord Marvel. Lord Marvel to my understanding is Billy with the full power of Shazam annd is the now keper of the rock of eternity. Billy who fought Spectre had the magic of almost ALL magical beings on the Earth from Alan Scott to Zatana. A very big amp if you ask me. If it is that one I would go with Billy. If he just has the Shazam power I would go with odin

#43 Posted by Van_Cere (1540 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: first, there is only 52 universes in dc now, second he stalemated phantom stranger, who is not very powerful at all. third, do not use wikis. and that wiki was talking about pre 52 spectre.

#44 Posted by sheryinistoosexy (720 posts) - - Show Bio

@bigbadbiff: Yea. Pretty much.

Lord Marvel had like all the magic in the universe, right?

#45 Edited by dondave (34647 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin

#46 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

@ Van_Cere, Yes, hence the name New 52. It wasn't really a stalemate, Spectre was winning that fight overall and PS was just holding his own somewhat until Presence stepped in otherwise that fight would have lasted god knows how long(also how is PS not powerful? lol) He's one of DCU's cosmic entities....still doesn't alter the fact that they were threatening the multiverse which tells me clearly they're both more powerful then before since their pre 52 fights never did that.

@bronze_surfer said:

@vaeternus: But I'm not claiming Lt is omnipotent. Anyone who would is wrong just read Marvel The End. Prescence being Omni can be argued but it really has no point here at least.

Actually you said he was Omnipotent in post 37 and 39. Regardless he did not fight Lord Marvel. Pre 52 Unbound did. Not only did they say later on they needed to get him by surprise to have him retreet IIRC but that was not a normal Lord Marvel. Lord Marvel to my understanding is Billy with the full power of Shazam annd is the now keper of the rock of eternity. Billy who fought Spectre had the magic of almost ALL magical beings on the Earth from Alan Scott to Zatana. A very big amp if you ask me. If it is that one I would go with Billy. If he just has the Shazam power I would go with odin

I know, you didn't say that but I'm just saying a general point to those who are always like "this guys omnipotent, that guy is etc but not Spectre" it's a double standard all I'm saying. But i'm not debating Presence and TOAA, since I'm convinced both are omnipotent(talking currently especially)

I know I'm saying Spectre in general is a powerful character, above Odin and Shazam which I'm sure you'd agree right? Lord Marvel is an amped Shazam more or less...of course, during DOV arch Spectre killed him but that wasn't really Billy at "full power" as he is as Lord Marvel to be fair. If it's normal Shazam, no doubt I'm sure Odin would win. If it's Lord Marvel however, I'm going with Lord Marvel.

@bigbadbiff: Yea. Pretty much.

Lord Marvel had like all the magic in the universe, right?

Exactly, I agree with bid's points. I think due to that point LM wins here.

#47 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17004 posts) - - Show Bio

Odin... LM is featless. And LT is easily above Spectre. Spectre couldn't deal with Michael who is below LT...

#48 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2966 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: Fair enough but i'm still not sure if the Billy in DOV was really lord marvel. I mean hear me out in WW3 Lord Marvel with Marry Marvel and Captain Marvel Jr. lost against Black Adam with Lord Marvel. Lord Marvel was also cast out by the egyptian gods. In the end if it is normal Lord Marvel with just the power of Shazam than Odin if it is Billy who had all the magic in DOV than Billy

#49 Edited by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

How is Michael below LT? Heaven's power surpasses LT's last time I checked...but Spectre did stalemate him for a while at least. LM isn't featless, just rarely makes appearances.

@bronze_surfer said:

@vaeternus: Fair enough but i'm still not sure if the Billy in DOV was really lord marvel. I mean hear me out in WW3 Lord Marvel with Marry Marvel and Captain Marvel Jr. lost against Black Adam with Lord Marvel. Lord Marvel was also cast out by the egyptian gods. In the end if it is normal Lord Marvel with just the power of Shazam than Odin if it is Billy who had all the magic in DOV than Billy

Yeah I agree, I think he was just normal Shazam imo in DOV(he didn't appear different) I thought that WWE3 arch was meh, I mean think about it how many times has Captain Marvel/Shazam on his own beaten Black Adam you know? Yet that one story it took all of them yet they all struggled against him? I thought that was boarderline PIS only because usually Shazam alone can handle or at least stalemate Black Adam. I think it depends on the power level of Lord Marvel, if it's him at his greatest with all magic then I think he could give Odin trouble and perhaps prevail. But if it's just mainstream Billy/Shazam power levels I think Odin should win.

#50 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2966 posts) - - Show Bio

@vaeternus: Heaven is a subjective place. Both Micheal and LT power comes from God of each of their respective Multiverses