Captain Kirk(1966) vs Captain Kirk(2009)

Original though I can see the new movie Kirk come into his own.

As you said they are basically the same character. The differences are as small as experience. The new time line Kirk as the same can do, don't believe in no win scenario attitude that the original had, but not the experience. The original Kirk took a little more time to work his way up the ranks. So the original Kirk has to be the better, he has everything the new time line Kirk has going for him plus one extra, he has been seasoned and has more than bravado to back it up.

Original Kirk.

William Shatner is the best Captain ever.

" As you said they are basically the same character. The differences are as small as experience. The new time line Kirk as the same can do, don't believe in no win scenario attitude that the original had, but not the experience. The original Kirk took a little more time to work his way up the ranks. So the original Kirk has to be the better, he has everything the new time line Kirk has going for him plus one extra, he has been seasoned and has more than bravado to back it up. "

The new one cuz he's Thor.

kidding the original

" @beatboks1 said:

" As you said they are basically the same character. The differences are as small as experience. The new time line Kirk as the same can do, don't believe in no win scenario attitude that the original had, but not the experience. The original Kirk took a little more time to work his way up the ranks. So the original Kirk has to be the better, he has everything the new time line Kirk has going for him plus one extra, he has been seasoned and has more than bravado to back it up. "

No, new one is just unlikeble ashole, who never learn anything, who din't grow as a character. He was acting like hot headed idiot, never shown any kind of inteligence or resourcefulness. Every body kick his ass, pretty easily. But the nail in the coffin was his decision to needlessly murder Nero and his crew, endangering Enterprise in the proces. Hate this guy.  "

NO WAY!!!! The new captain kirk destroy's the old..... I cant even believe this is being debated. Chris Pine beats the Shat out of him ;)

captain kirk 1966??

" @beatboks1 said:

" As you said they are basically the same character. The differences are as small as experience. The new time line Kirk as the same can do, don't believe in no win scenario attitude that the original had, but not the experience. The original Kirk took a little more time to work his way up the ranks. So the original Kirk has to be the better, he has everything the new time line Kirk has going for him plus one extra, he has been seasoned and has more than bravado to back it up. "

No, new one is just unlikeble ashole, who never learn anything, who din't grow as a character. He was acting like hot headed idiot, never shown any kind of inteligence or resourcefulness. Every body kick his ass, pretty easily. But the nail in the coffin was his decision to needlessly murder Nero and his crew, endangering Enterprise in the proces. Hate this guy.  "

 "Really? the whole point of the movie was his growth as a burn-out Iowa farm boy to Captain of the Enterprise and overcoming the fear of living up to his father's legend and valor... he totally grew as a character. And as for intelligence he outwitted a program designed by Spock whos pretty much the standard genius in the JJ. Abrams trek-verse"

Yes. really. How he grown up as a character? In what way? His behavior and attitude was unchanged. What does he learn? Living up to his father? Wow, his father was killed in like few minutes, thats was his only accomplishment. Cheating on test is now, evidence of genius? If I find a way to exploit bug in the game, or enter some cheat code is that make me a genious?

" Chris Pine fights five significantly bigger Federation officers and takes the beating like a man and gets in a few licks of his own, not too mention that Romulans are a physically superior species to humans in the 2009 movie and he still manages to beat one on top of the planetary drill bit when he and Mr. Sulu are trying to blow it up"

 The thing is you don't start a fight with many,  larger guys if you don't know that you can't win. But he is smug and arogant asshole so what you expect? And fact that every time after that he have his ass kicked, is evidence that he didn't learn anything. And yes he shown this Romulan... ooo, no he didn't:

" The new one cuz he's Thor.kidding the original "

the origianl kirk beat down this lizard with his bare hands. he was so fast the lizard couldnt even hit him

"  "Really? the whole point of the movie was his growth as a burn-out Iowa farm boy to Captain of the Enterprise and overcoming the fear of living up to his father's legend and valor... he totally grew as a character. And as for intelligence he outwitted a program designed by Spock whos pretty much the standard genius in the JJ. Abrams trek-verse"

Yes. really. How he grown up as a character? In what way? His behavior and attitude was unchanged. What does he learn? Living up to his father? Wow, his father was killed in like few minutes, thats was his only accomplishment. Cheating on test is now, evidence of genius? If I find a way to exploit bug in the game, or enter some cheat code is that make me a genious?"
 

  The thing is you don't start a fight with many,  larger guys if you don't know that you can't win. But he is smug and arogant asshole so what you expect? And fact that every time after that he have his ass kicked, is evidence that he didn't learn anything. And yes he shown this Romulan... ooo, no he didn't:

 [quote]" Romulans are a physically superior species to humans in the 2009 movie"

They are? Why? What evidence you have for that?  [/quote]

That has been a fact in evidence since the earliest of Star Trek shows. So they are for the same reasons they always have been. Romulan's are a branch off of the Vulcan race, who rejected Logic and left Vulcan centuries ago. Just like Vulcans they are physically much stronger with greater durability. Their bodies are evolved to handle much harsher climates and the gravity of larger planetary bodies and thinner air supply (IIRC in OS it was stated that Vulcans gravity is 15% more than Earth and it's air is thinner, the reason that Bones had to give Jim a shot to have a chance in a fight with a Vulcan on Vulcan for Spock during pon far ). In fact it's been established since the earliest days of ST that humans (of Earth not "humanoids") are the weakest species physically in teh Alpha and Beta quadrants.

" @cascadeking09:
 "Judging by your name and avy I assume you're an expert, but I'm pretty sure that in the original he "cheated" the exact same way, but was commended for his "unique thinking" and not believing in no win scenarios."

Yes, he did. But again this not make himagenius, this only proofs that he will never give up, and thats why Starfleet  commended him: Kobayashi Maru is test of the character, and Kirk's unwillingness to surrender is testimony of his character... So why in new movie Starfleet condemn him for this same thing? How can you punish someone for giving testimony of character? Thats why I don't like this new movie - nothing make sense if you think about it. And one more thing : new James "Syberius" Kirk seems to don't give a crap about this test... he's eating  an apple, and acting so arrogant that you just want to punch him."

Geee... I wonder why Pike make him his first officer? Is this have something to do with Pike being a friend of George Kirk? After all, what "Syberius" Kirk did to this point was: disobey his stepfather,  trash a priceless antique car, escape from the police, needlessly endangered his own life in the proces, harass Uhura in the bar, and provoke a bar fight with group of bigger man. Wow,  officer material for sure. ;) 
Assuming responsibility? He disobey direct order and start a mutiny to overthrow legitimate captain of the Enterprise, Spock. Again, how this make him a good commander, and good person?

Again, you are wrong!Heslap one oh this guys in the face, and told him to bring more friends, so this will be a fair fight. Look like provocation to me.

@Picard said:
Have to say I am confused. First you say no, then restate most of what I said another way as why.I say the new time line Kirk doesn't have the experience, didn't learn as much , and doesn't have anything to back up his bravado.You say he didn't grow (which is what you do with experience), showed lack of intellect (which you gain from learning), and was a hothead ( an archetype who usually shows Bravado)   
 

@beatboks1

 [quote]" Romulans are a physically superior species to humans in the 2009 movie" They are? Why? What evidence you have for that?  [/quote]That has been a fact in evidence since the earliest of Star Trek shows. So they are for the same reasons they always have been. Romulan's are a branch off of the Vulcan race, who rejected Logic and left Vulcan centuries ago. Just like Vulcans they are physically much stronger with greater durability. Their bodies are evolved to handle much harsher climates and the gravity of larger planetary bodies and thinner air supply (IIRC in OS it was stated that Vulcans gravity is 15% more than Earth and it's air is thinner, the reason that Bones had to give Jim a shot to have a chance in a fight with a Vulcan on Vulcan for Spock during pon far ). In fact it's been established since the earliest days of ST that humans (of Earth not "humanoids") are the weakest species physically in teh Alpha and Beta quadrants.

@cascadeking09

William Shatner has proven to excel in the range of more stamina and overall endurance against far more greater foes. By his endeavor; he has managed to defeat Volcans such as Evil Spock, Klingons, super human Khan and reptilians with omega strength. Pine was supposed to be the youthful prime which even he could not exceed in a bar fight of 3 Starfleet cadets nor of an angry Spock. Due to accurate calculations; I personally wager my rank and reputation for my statement to say that 1966 Kirk wins this battle.