So this is a little different to what the title may lead you to think so heres a explanation...
Iv always believed that Captain Atom would take a handy majority over Silver Surfer but after looking at battles on this site it appears i am 1 off a very few number who actually believe that. So the point of this thread is for me too try and prove too any people who believe that SS wins that Captain Atom is actually more powerful. So this is open to any viner who wishes to try and persuade me that SS is in fact too much for CA, using feats and scans will be a lot more helpful when trying to convince me.
Rules
Now here are the rules...
No BFR
Win by death, KO, or extreme incapacitation
Death is when a character is killed full stop
KO when a character has been knocked unconscious for 10 seconds
Extreme uncap is when a character is in such a bad shape that they can no longer continue fighting or when they are put in a position where they can no longer fight e.g. if they where beings that had bones if every bone in their body was broken they couldn't possibly fight any longer but they may not necessarily be KO'ed or dead or if they where to be trapped or restrained in such a way that they couldn't possibly free themselves or continue fighting such as if a steer leveller was restrained by a GL's constructs.
Standard versions of both (pre-52 CA and normal non amped Surfer, yes post annihilation feats allowed)
No jobbing or PIS feats for either
Morals on
Characters are both fighting to the best of their abilities
Location: Universe (normal universe not a comic universe. We'll assume the only life is on earth)
So the fight can go anywhere but it begins from normal earth (populated and all).
Captain Atom (me) vs Silver Surfer (anyone who disagrees with me)
Any takers? please provide scans and stuff to prove your case (don't worry I'm not going to be a blind fanboy in truth i wouldn't mind if you did persuade me that CA loses all i want to do is try and find out the true result)
@darkseid1006: It seems ok so why not; I would be happy to debate or do a CAV frequently if only my computer layout wasn't mucked up, upon posts unless you know how to work or fix that.
@kingant27: then if by PM you sent me all the scans you wanted to go in all you'd have to do is post a block of text and simply point out where te scans could go and I would be able to put them in for you.
What's wrong with it? Like is it trying to place them in the write place or something else?
@kingant27: yeah I had that problem a while ago. In the end I just decided to always post the scans in large centre and rather than trying to move them I have now decided to use the "U" and "D" buttons (you've probably already tryed that but if you haven't its worth a shot)
@kingant27: when you post a scan I you hover over it you will get the option of a pop up bar at the top, it should say Caption and then next to that have a button that has U on and one that has D on, the U button is to move te scan up and the D is too move it down.
Give it a quick test now.
Also do you use desktop to post images or do you do it through URL?
@darkseid1006: I use Desktop and the site itself; also I am currently on my phone; I might try it tommorow some time; but as I am working I cannot assure I will check tommorow; anyway I will PM you if it work, thank you for your help.
And if it does work I will make sure to post for SS on this thread or possibly do a CAV sometime with you if that's ok.
Personally I would recomend using photo bucket to store your images. That way you can insert using URL and place them as tumbprint images which take up less space and are easy to use.
@kingant27: it's as easy as copy and pasting a URL link. Difference is you can format it a lot better and easier if inserting through URL for instance you can have up to 9 small images in a line that open to normal size when you click it.
@uugieboogie: I'd like to see him try and drain Nathiel. It's already been attempted by a power drainer and CA intentionally continued to pump energy into him until he was overloaded. CA draws his energy from a limitless source there's no draining his power.
You sure that would work? Is it not possible to matter manipulate yourself out of the board or destroy the board (i know he can recreate it but it can be destroyed right?)
@jbourne_32: I am away from home, till Aug 10 (hence this font). I could continue once i get back, but if Captain Atom was as powerful as his current counterpart Surfer is looking at a downhill battle.
Have only read up on new 52 Captain Atom and the dude looks scary :p
@jbourne_32: I am away from home, till Aug 10 (hence this font). I could continue once i get back, but if Captain Atom was as powerful as his current counterpart Surfer is looking at a downhill battle.
Have only read up on new 52 Captain Atom and the dude looks scary :p
He is, but Surfer aint too bad himself. I would have felt bad if you actually supported Atom in this battle god that would have been awkward
No it didn't Hal's ring was going to run out soon, he said that much himself, but seconds after he said that they both ran at each other and Cap used his Quantum Boom to KO Hal.
@ripcurl: Captain Atom could destroy a planet yes...
Heres what Hal is capable off...
Now they where all standard GL's too which both Guy and Hal are above, heres what Hal Jordan does too standard GL's.....
So yeah Cap has easily has the potential to shatter planets (its just because he holds back a lot when near planets that he's never actually shown destroying one) What can Surfer do too counter Captain Atom overloading him?
@kingant27: It showed Cap destroying a object easily more durable than a planet so that should in fact be better. Did what i tell you to do with the scans help or not?
@darkseid1006: I havnt managed to use a computer yet; so not yet.
Also he hasn't shown being able to destroy a planet easily, yes you showed him having the potential to destroy a planet; but not him actually doing it.
@darkseid1006: you know a lot of people have said before that surfer takes it with minimal effort but I have always believed its a pretty even match :)
@darkseid1006: wow, this is actually a pretty good idea. maybe when I get back to the US of A I should do a similar thread, except I am going to be using lucifer against LT.
to me, surfer was always the more powerful if the two but your arguments are beginning to turn me around. keep up the good work!
@darkseid1006: CA is pretty powerful but SS wins this. He's a verified planet buster and very versatile in using his powers. He could trap CA in his board, take him to astral plane. He's absorbed energy off of Earths sun before and he's absorbed the energies of "The Crunch" and used that amp to defeat Tenebrous and Aegis two Galactus level beings. He can absorb enough of CA's energy to damage him or send back to him and pop him like a balloon.
Also the creating a universe thing was done inside the Quantum Zone, he's never been shown to be capable of that outside of the zone.
@darkseid1006: CA is pretty powerful but SS wins this. He's a verified planet buster and very versatile in using his powers. He could trap CA in his board, take him to astral plane. He's absorbed energy off of Earths sun before and he's absorbed the energies of "The Crunch" and used that amp to defeat Tenebrous and Aegis two Galactus level beings. He can absorb enough of CA's energy to damage him or send back to him and pop him like a balloon.
Also the creating a universe thing was done inside the Quantum Zone, he's never been shown to be capable of that outside of the zone.
1. Captain Atom is a planet buster, just because you haven't busted a planet doesn't mean your not a planet buster, hell he's destroyed objects that are at least 10 times as durable as a planet. (i know iv already posted but ill re-post it here)
Heres what Hal is capable off...
Now they where all standard GL's too which both Guy and Hal are above, heres what Hal Jordan does too standard GL's.....
So yeah Cap has easily has the potential to shatter planets (its just because he holds back a lot when near planets that he's never actually shown destroying one)
Also id like too see a feat of Surfer actually destroying a planet? because the one that i already have isn't actually proving anything here...
Ill have to continue on another post because i just had some problems trying to post a scas=n
@wavemotioncannon: So this is the second part to what i was trying to say before...
CA is pretty powerful but SS wins this. He's a verified planet buster and very versatile in using his powers. He could trap CA in his board, take him to astral plane. He's absorbed energy off of Earths sun before and he's absorbed the energies of "The Crunch" and used that amp to defeat Tenebrous and Aegis two Galactus level beings. He can absorb enough of CA's energy to damage him or send back to him and pop him like a balloon.
Also the creating a universe thing was done inside the Quantum Zone, he's never been shown to be capable of that outside of the zone.
So ill continue where i left off with the fact that the scan provided for Surfer's planet busting power isn't actually helpful.....
2. Trapping Captain Atom in his board? is that really going to work against someone as powerful as CA? Take into account Cable has been able to shatter SS board and he doesn't have anything on CA...
3. Umm earths sun is nothing compared to Captain Atom who wields limitless amounts of energy from the quantum field...
So seeing as the best absorption feat you've provided for SS is feeding 2 Galactus level beings it would seem even Surfer has a limit and once CA finds out SS drains power he will overload him... And you can't absorb CA's energies their as they don't have a end.
4. Thats exactly what i wanted to happen in fact i was contemplating as to wether or not CA would use that too defeat SS himself but its out of character for him too enter the astral plain in a fight yet now that SS has done it he's sealed his own demise...
Now i know about Surfer's reputation on the astral plain but even then he still has nothing on Nekron...
So yeah Surfer has a upgrade on the astral plain but it isn't half as good as CA's (you know the guy who decked Nekron with no trouble at all).
Also id like to point out that when the entity brought the Black Lantntern's back to life they where all brought back too their standard power level meaning that this Anti-Monitor was at his original levels which where universal/multiversal...
Yet even if he is only returned to SCW levels he is still far above that of Silver Surfer...
So on the astral plain CA could effortlessly annihilate Surfer...
5. This is how Captain Atom wins even if the fight is not taken to the astral plain... He simply absorbs all of Surfer's power (he did it too Nekron and he eclipses Surfer in power) and before you say anything about quantum leaping he no longer does that as he has learnt a way that stops it from happening...
So CA could simply drain Surfer of all his energy (seeing as he stated himself that it can be done and his energy is not limitless) Or he could in fact decimate him with his shear power...
If you need more then i'll be happy to deliver but until you counter this i see no need...
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