@captnmcdeadpool: Most of those feats have being debunked to be due to Void. Unless he taps on his voided side, he's not performing anything on that scale. I was referring to the Green Scar since the start and Captain Atom would definitely beat Hulk in that incarnation.
Death Seed Sentry is still blow Captain Atom.
Hmm. Not sure what debunking you are referring to, but current Sentry still shows he retains his powers as the Sentry.
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Atom gets smoked.
@captnmcdeadpool: You're mixing incarnations... Both instances in Dark Avenger's it was Sentry tapping into his Void side, even the Siege script implies it. You can see the full context behind those instances, including Molecule Man's one in this CaV. If anything, the only reason Sentry is able to perform molecular manipulation is because of his voided side since it was Void who showed to have such ability in the first place. Death Seed Sentry has no Void whatsoever... So why mentioning such ability if there's no Void, let alone New Avenger's Sentry never showing such ability.
That aside, Sentry has never shown Molecular Manipulation besides those 2 instances, not something as consistent as flying or bricking fights for you to base your entire winning argument on that. Moreover, the Molecule Man instance is generally judged as a huge PIS moment in Sentry's career given the plethora of feats Molecule Man has over Sentry in that department. I mean, it was Bendis after all, and he consistently blow characters out of proportion.
Im not sure if you saw the Captain Atom respect thread. Im willing to say Atom is even too fast for Sentry.
@5:50 he seems to be using some sort of matter manipulations to create those sand warriors.
Also regular, non-Void, non-DS amp Sentry has shown Molecule Manipulation as well.
@captnmcdeadpool: You're mixing incarnations... Both instances in Dark Avenger's it was Sentry tapping into his Void side, even the Siege script implies it. You can see the full context behind those instances, including Molecule Man's one in this CaV. If anything, the only reason Sentry is able to perform molecular manipulation is because of his voided side since it was Void who showed to have such ability in the first place. Death Seed Sentry has no Void whatsoever... So why mentioning such ability if there's no Void, let alone New Avenger's Sentry never showing such ability.
Okay. First of all: that's the Sentry. Period.
Secondly, the Sentry is the Void.
This is covered in the second mini. And those two instances cited above? That is the Sentry. I don't know where you are getting this from.
That aside, Sentry has never shown Molecular Manipulation besides those 2 instances, not something as consistent as flying or bricking fights for you to base your entire winning argument on that.
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Notice the scan above involves Death Seed Sentry. Notice he was "regrown from one atom".
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You are incorrect.
Moreover, the Molecule Man instance is generally judged as a huge PIS moment in Sentry's career given the plethora of feats Molecule Man has over Sentry in that department. I mean, it was Bendis after all, and he consistently blow characters out of proportion.
Generally judged by who? What are you talking about?
Who made this judgment? You??
There was no PIS involved. Like, at all. Unless you have something solid, what you are saying is conjecture. Period.
Im not sure if you saw the Captain Atom respect thread. Im willing to say Atom is even too fast for Sentry.
I am aware of Atom's feats. Prove to me that Atom is a more powerful matter manipulator than Owen Reese. I'll save you the time. You can't.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes. First of all, you can't use Sentry while having different powersets and amps as if they were the same on regular basis. Sentry in Dark Avengers was tapping in and out of Void, say, black eyes and seemingly a more blood lusted persona taking over him.
Here is the obvious first hole in your argument. "Seemingly a more blood lusted persona taking over him". "Seemingly" tells me you have no clue what you're talking about.
Notice Osborn's conversation with Bob at the end of that book. The Void had not taken over. You are incorrect:
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Obviously, you are mistaken. The Void persona had not taken over.
Void and Sentry before Uncanny Avengers were 2 sides of the same coin, however, Sentry does NOT longer posses the Void in him, it was stated by him in Uncanny Avengers...
No kidding?
I posted the scan above. I'm aware of this.
It is Sentry, nobody said otherwise but the fact he needed to tap into Void, say again, black eyes and seemingly a more blood lusted persona to perform such tactic means he CAN'T do it on regular basis, let alone on that scale given the obvious lack of feats to support its consistency plus Molecule Man's overall publication history. You're in denial, unsupported denial, but hell, let's call a both Molecule Man and Sentry's expert to explain this to you, @killemall, this is your area.
Again, you don't seem to be so sure. You say seemingly...as if you're reaching. Stop reaching. Know. Or don't know and admit you don't know. Needed to tap into the Void, sheesh.
And I love how everyone here who really doesn't read Marvel comics tries to notify killemall for help.
Because regenerating from an atom means you have molecular manipulation... *sigh*... Simple semantics yet so hard to understand. That's a regeneration feat, not a molecular manipulation feat.
Im not incorrect, you're using the feat the wrong way.
It has always been based on his ability to manipulate his molecular form. Look at the scan above. Robert specifically says, "I can control the molecules in my world".
By everybody that has a shred of knowledge about Sentry's overall shown potential, experts on him that spent quite a time analyzing the instance concluded into it being WAY too inconsistent for both Molecule Man and Sentry to take it seriously, let alone use it as a legit feat to measure either of the characters. Again, let's call @killemall since he has the knowledge and the scans to shut this topic down.
I love how you claim omniscience regarding the Sentry and in the same breath cry for help to killemall. Obviously, you don't seem real sure about what you know.
You can talk down to me all you want, at the end, im wont be the one looking silly.
No one is talking down to you. But you have absolutely nothing to back up your argument except, "seemingly...".
And a cry for help to killemall.
This is funny, i'll ask the same, prove to me that Sentry is a better molecular manipulator than Owen Reece without using an inconsistent instance, let alone written by Bendis.
I never said he was a better matter manipulator than Owen. He just has more control over his own molecular structure than even Owen was able to assert. You assumed that is what I was saying. You would be wrong.
Again.
I'll save you time, you won't, because im positive Owen drowns Sentry in hype and solid feats of that indole, not a vice versa case. You're just overhyping Sentry like 99% of people that doesn't really analyze his instances does. For the third time, lets call the expert @killemall.
Wow. Impressive. 99% of Comic Vine, eh? And I'm sure you, can elaborate at length what 99% of Comic Vine says.
@ghostravage: well after reading the opening arguments for nighthunder im not entirely convinced he knows what hes talking about because he missed a few scans for example
he no sells Absorbing Man who constantly knocks thor around
heres the Terax scan i was talking about
and theres allot more thats why im worried
@ghostravage: well Teraxs' ax has cut through Galactus' ship pretty easily and i believe he gave the Fantastic Four a good walloping. but other than that i have no feats other than hes a heral of galactus and again Sentry did it with 1 hand.
and Absorbing Man threw him through a house and Sentry was fine. more importantly Sentry didnt beat him by energy overload Absrobing Man couldnt handle the power of Sentry and considering Absorbing Man has absorbed some pretty high energies in his time its impressive
also Sentry knocked Doom's face in the dirt solo and that is not something the Hulk has been able to do nor has the hulk been able to rip dooms armor apart like that. im just saying the only time Hulk came even close to beating Sentry was a time where Sentry was at his weakest and Hulk was very close to his strongest
@captnmcdeadpool: @ghostravage: Alright lets see if i can help answer some question being raised.
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First its hard to argue Sentry with Black Eyes isnt tapping into Void power, specially under Bendis. The first evidence to it, lets too at the script from Seige # 1 where Bendis tries to explain what the Black Eyes mean. Give Seige story arc wasnt over when the issue was published and most of what Bendis said was put under spoiler, now that the series it completely its easy to see what Bendis was trying to say.
Bendis tries to explain the artist what the black eye means, "But it's the almost black state, and black eyes that are so off putting about The Sentry. Something is wrong"
While his actual explanation was redacted, for spoiler purpose, Seige clearly shows us what was wrong with Sentry, mentally unstable Sentry was on verge of Voiding out.
The change between normal eyed Sentry and Blacked eye , is actually showcased earlier in Mighty Avengers # 5
The moment Sentry gets sad and angry about the death of his wife Ultron notes:
"Energy fluctuation detected"
Followed by.
"Energy type unidentified"
Then we see Sentry eyes have changed.
Other writers might have other idea, but as far as Bendis is concerned and Molecule Man vs Sentry took place under Bendis pen, Black Eyed Sentry is one on the verge of Voiding out, which evidently changes his energy source, his power , everything.
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