captain atom (new 52) vs gladiator kallark

Captain Atom, very easily. He has much more raw power than Gladiator. 

@Static Shock said:

@jeanroygrant said:

How is DCNU Captain Atom doing this, too Gladiator?

Captain Atom transmutes organic matter. That's how.

You don't think Gladiators power cosmic would resist transmutation?

@CitizenBane said:

@TheSwordsman said:

@Static Shock said:

@jeanroygrant said:

How is DCNU Captain Atom doing this, too Gladiator?

Captain Atom transmutes organic matter. That's how.

You don't think Gladiators power cosmic would resist transmutation?

Because Gladiator has the Power Cosmic....

@Static Shock said:

@TheSwordsman said:

You don't think Gladiators power cosmic would resist transmutation?

Gladiator doesn't have the Power Cosmic. He's currently not an herald of Galactus.

He does indeed.

@Lvenger said:

@TheSwordsman said:

@Static Shock said:

@jeanroygrant said:

How is DCNU Captain Atom doing this, too Gladiator?

Captain Atom transmutes organic matter. That's how.

You don't think Gladiators power cosmic would resist transmutation?

Ah this reminds me of the time when Gladiator was a herald of Galactus. It had a good run but never got enough sales to keep going. A shame really. I enjoyed the series.

I didn't read that series but it sounds really interesting.What was the series name?

@CitizenBane said:

@TheSwordsman: I'm not sure whether you're serious, or whether you think cosmic power and the Power Cosmic are equitable.

They are not equitable per se but they are synonymous.

@CitizenBane said:

@TheSwordsman said:

@CitizenBane said:

@TheSwordsman: I'm not sure whether you're serious, or whether you think cosmic power and the Power Cosmic are equitable.

They are not equitable per se but they are synonymous.

They are not synonymous in any way. The Power Cosmic is an energy bestowed by Galactus to his heralds. It is a very specific source of energy. Cosmic power on the other hand is a much broader term, various beings ranging from the Fantastic Four to Thanos all have energy that can be described as cosmic power, and yet none possess the Power Cosmic.

Nah. They are completely synonymous energies. Galactus just says the term diffierently by placing the word power in front of cosmic. It's all cosmic power/energy.

@Static Shock said:

@TheSwordsman said:

He does indeed.

Being powered up by cosmic energy isn't the same as having the Power Cosmic. The latter is granted only by Galactus, and I don't recall him giving Gladiator any kind of cosmic power up. There's a number of superpowered beings in Marvel with cosmic power or powers granted by cosmic energy. It's not the same as the Power Cosmic.

Gladiator is an organic being. He gets transmuted without much trouble, regardless of how much power he has.

They are one in the same. Cosmic energy and the power cosmic. Galactus simply calls it the power cosmic. See scan below where it is referred to as cosmic power. The power cosmic is the same thing as cosmic power which is the same thing as cosmic energy.

@CitizenBane said:

@TheSwordsman said:

@CitizenBane said:

@TheSwordsman said:

@CitizenBane said:

@TheSwordsman: I'm not sure whether you're serious, or whether you think cosmic power and the Power Cosmic are equitable.

They are not equitable per se but they are synonymous.

They are not synonymous in any way. The Power Cosmic is an energy bestowed by Galactus to his heralds. It is a very specific source of energy. Cosmic power on the other hand is a much broader term, various beings ranging from the Fantastic Four to Thanos all have energy that can be described as cosmic power, and yet none possess the Power Cosmic.

Nah. They are completely synonymous energies. Galactus just says the term diffierently by placing the word power in front of cosmic. It's all cosmic power/energy.

.........are you serious? By this logic Mr. Fantastic has the Power Cosmic too. The Power Cosmic that Galactus controls has ALWAYS been demarcated as a unique power.

I am quite serious. And it is not unique to Glactus. he just gets a vast amount of it from consuming planets, etc. Nowhere in canon does it state that cosmic power is unique to Galactus. Galactus got his ability to absorb and manipulate cosmic power/energies from merging with the the cosmic egg, an amalgamation of cosmic cubes Cosmic cubes produce vast amounts of cosmic power or cosmic energy or "the power cosmic" So, no, cosmic power is not unique to Galactus at all.

@Static Shock said:

@TheSwordsman said:

Nah. They are completely synonymous energies.

They are not.

They actually are.

@Lvenger said:

@TheSwordsman said:

Nah. They are completely synonymous energies. Galactus just says the term diffierently by placing the word power in front of cosmic. It's all cosmic power/energy.

No they are not. They're different things. Galactus' Power Cosmic is unique from whatever 'Power Cosmic' Gladiator has. And I was being sarcastic. There was never any series where Gladiator became Galactus' Herald. He's never possessed any form of the Power Cosmic or been one of Galactus' heralds.

They are the same thing.

@Static Shock said:

@TheSwordsman: Can Gladiator uses his cosmic power in the same manner that the Heralds of Galactus can?

Different characters utilize cosmic power differently. Even Galactus' heralds used it in varied ways. The same as the Elders of the universe utilize it differently.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@TheSwordsman: No there are not the same Green Lantern is described as having cosmic power and he is not even from the Marvel Universe......

Yes. They are the same energies. Galactus' cosmic power is the same as the energies of a cosmic cube which are the same energies of the cosmic egg that fused with Galactus.

@Static Shock said:

@TheSwordsman: The source of the Power Cosmic is the astral plane. I'm pretty sure that all of the people who utilize cosmic power don't get their power from there.

The power cosmic or cosmic power is pre-big-bang energies regardless of where it resides. All who utilize or are powered by cosmic power or the power cosmic get it from the same original source. Where it resides is irrelevant. The point is that it is all the same cosmic energies.

@Lvenger said:

@TheSwordsman: Where's your evidence to back this up? I could say that Nick Fury possesses the Power Cosmic but there are no feats to suggest this.

Evidence to back what up? I already posted a scan that showed that Gladiator is powered by cosmic energies.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@TheSwordsman:

Cosmic Power

Energy derived from non-Earthly sources that the technologies of most sentient races cannot tap, and that is on a scale far beyond what most Earthly technology can tap or generate. Cosmic power is possessed by such entities such entities as Galactus, the Silver Surfer, other Heralds of Galactus, and the Elders of the Universe. See also Power Cosmic.

Power Cosmic

The Power Cosmic allows Galactus to employ the available absorbed cosmic energies within him to produce nearly any effect he desires, including size-alteration, the molecular restructuring and transmutation of matter, the teleportation of objects—even entire galaxies—across space and time, the creation of force fields, the creation of interdimensional portals, telepathy, telekinesis, and cosmic awareness on a universal scale. Galactus has even been shown as capable of creating sentient life, resurrecting the dead, manipulating mortal souls and remaking dead worlds—including their populations—in every detail.

If you read above you can easily see there is a difference.

Wiki submissions are not canon. The scan below shows a canonical reference to Galactus' energies as being cosmic power. Your post just shows some readers misunderstandings. Galactus just refers to cosmic power as "the power cosmic" for dramatic effect. They are one and the same.

@Static Shock said:

I disagree that they are the same. Besides all that, whether or not they are the same isn't relevant. It doesn't help Gladiator in this battle, anyway.

You may disagree on a personal level, but I have shown evidence that Galactus' "power cosmic" and cosmic power are one and the same which means his cosmic power is no different than regular run-of-the mill cosmic power/energies, he simply has a vast amount of it contaned within his body.

My initial question was wouldn't Gladiators cosmic powers resist transmutation. You yourself created relevance when you erroneously stated that Gladiator possessed no cosmic power. Captain Atom may still win or he may not, but, theoretically, Gladiators cosmic energies could provide some resistance to being transmuted into candy

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@TheSwordsman: The power cosmic or cosmic power is pre-big-bang energies regardless of where it resides.

If it is pre bing bang energy then tell me why and how Green Lanterns energy is pre bing bang when it comes from will and the Gotu (The Guardians are not from pre big bang)

Cosmic power is pre-big-bang energy in Marvel. You completely misunderstood and took my statement out of context.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@TheSwordsman said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@TheSwordsman: The power cosmic or cosmic power is pre-big-bang energies regardless of where it resides.

If it is pre bing bang energy then tell me why and how Green Lanterns energy is pre bing bang when it comes from will and the Gotu (The Guardians are not from pre big bang)

The power cosmic is pre-big-bang energy in Marvel. You completely misunderstood and took my statement out of context.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@TheSwordsman: No there are not the same Green Lantern is described as having cosmic power and he is not even from the Marvel Universe......

When I replyed with This^^ you said nothing about it being in the Marvel Earth only. So no you took my words out of context and did not answer my response correctly.

My comment about cosmic power being pre-big-bang-energy no matter where it resides was in response to static stating that it all came from the astral plane. You are either getting confused or are intentionally taking quotes that I made to others and trying to apply them to yourself. I "answered your response" correctly. Go back and re-read it a couple of times.

@Static Shock said:

@TheSwordsman said:

You may disagree on a personal level, but I have shown evidence that Galactus' "power cosmic" and cosmic power are one and the same which means his cosmic power is no different than regular run-of-the mill cosmic power/energies, he simply has a vast amount of it contaned within his body.

My initial question was wouldn't Gladiators cosmic powers resist transmutation. You yourself created relevance when you stated that erroneously stated that Gladiator possessed no cosmic power. Captain Atom may still win or he may not, but, theoretically, Gladiators cosmic energies could provide some resistance to being transmuted into candy

Yet, I still doubt that he has cosmic power, anyway. Strontian's powers are psionic-based, not cosmic-based. The scan you posted is either wrong or an attempt at poetic license.

Unless Gladiator has shown a resistance to having his body transmuted into something else, Captain Atom wins.

It clearly states that he has cosmic energies within his body, and Strontians powers are only partially psionic not completely. You can call canon wrong if you choose, but that is more of a personal position for whatever reason.

Perhaps Atom would win, perhaps not. But Cosmic energy could possibly prevent transmutation.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@TheSwordsman said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@TheSwordsman said:

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@TheSwordsman: The power cosmic or cosmic power is pre-big-bang energies regardless of where it resides.

If it is pre bing bang energy then tell me why and how Green Lanterns energy is pre bing bang when it comes from will and the Gotu (The Guardians are not from pre big bang)

The power cosmic is pre-big-bang energy in Marvel. You completely misunderstood and took my statement out of context.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

@TheSwordsman: No there are not the same Green Lantern is described as having cosmic power and he is not even from the Marvel Universe......

When I replyed with This^^ you said nothing about it being in the Marvel Earth only. So no you took my words out of context and did not answer my response correctly.

My comment about cosmic power being pre-big-bang-energy no matter where it resides was in response to static stating that it all came from the astral plane. You are either getting confused or are intentionally taking quotes that I made to others and trying to apply them to yourself. I "answered your response" correctly. Go back and re-read it a couple of times.

Then why would you quot my whole post instead of replying to me? You need to go back and read The fact you quoted what I said and said they are the same proves that you were trying to say that they are the same and did not correctly read my post.Anyway I am done I am not trying to start a flame war good day sir.

Dude. No offense but, are you on something?

@Static Shock said:

@TheSwordsman said:

It clearly states that he has cosmic energies within his body, and Strontians powers are only partially psionic not completely. You can call canon wrong if you choose, but that is more of a personal position for whatever reason.

They are wholly psionic, due to the fact that confidence levels affect the potency of their powers. I'm calling it wrong based on what's recently stated, which supersedes the scan you posted and it's not from a personal position.

@TheSwordsman said:

Perhaps Atom would win, perhaps not. But Cosmic energy could possibly prevent transmutation.

Has Gladiator resisted transmutation before?

No. They are only partly psionic. Where was it recently stated that he did not have cosmic energies within him?

My point is that cosmic energy could provide resistance against transmutation. To my Knowledge Gladiator has not been transmuted before. Has Gladiator ever been transmuted?

@Static Shock said:

@TheSwordsman said:

No. They are only partly psionic. Where was it recently stated that he did not have cosmic energies within him?

My point is that cosmic energy could provide resistance against transmutation. To my Knowledge Gladiator has not been transmuted before. Has Gladiator ever been transmuted?

Wholly psionic. From War of Kings (Warriors), it was stated that Strontian powers are fueled by psionics. There was no mention of him having cosmic energies in his body or it being the source of their powers. The limited series was more like a origin story for Gladiator, as well as the Strontian race. If cosmic energies were inside their bodies, this would have been mentioned.

What I'm trying to say is that it wouldn't provide any resistance. I'm not even sure if Gladiator has been transmuted before, which is why I asked you. But, you believe all cosmic energy to be the same as the Power Cosmic, correct? Thanos is fueled by cosmic energy and possesses the ability to manipulate it, too (based on his showings). Adam Warlock turned him to stone before, and the cosmic energy in his body didn't help him resist that.

It has been stated that psionics augment Gladiators powers and I have shown an actual scan showing that his powers are not all psionic. The writer of that series may not have been aware that Kallark has cosmic energies within him. I would like to see the scan where it states that his powers are all psionic though.

That was my initially question: if you thought Gladiators cosmic energy would provide any resistance. I don't just believe that all cosmic power is the same, I actually have evidence to prove it and have shown some.Does thanos have cosmic power within him though or can he just manipulate it? If Warlock turned Thanos to stone utilizing cosmic energy (which I believe his gem utilizes) or simply turned him to stone by other means and Thanos cosmic power did not resist it then that is compelling evidence that Gladiator could likely be transmuted, which is what asked from the beginning. Granted Quantum energy is different from cosmic energy per se but it should still have the same effect on him.

Do you think Gladiators psionics could help to prevent transmutation?