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#1 Posted by The Last Son Of Krypton (791 posts) - - Show Bio
Morals on. Random Encounter. They use their power to it's full extent and capability within morals. They don't know about the other teams powers. The teams start 20 feet apart. Fight takes place in New York City. The city can be used as a weapon as well. Which team wins and why?
 



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#2 Posted by Cubey. (107 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting. No Magneto? 
 
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#3 Posted by JediXMan (30193 posts) - - Show Bio

As far as I'm concerned, Vulcan is the weak link.
 
So team 1.

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#4 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn. This is kinda hard.

#5 Posted by The Last Son Of Krypton (791 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" As far as I'm concerned, Vulcan is the weak link.  So team 1. "
How exactly is he the weak link?
#6 Posted by Darkseid Elite (8424 posts) - - Show Bio

team 1
#7 Posted by GreenLantern555 (2218 posts) - - Show Bio

I am leaning towards team one. Captain Atom can absorb anything thrown at him and Firestorm can turn Vulcan into sand. I still don't know though...

#8 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Last Son Of Krypton said:
" How exactly is he the weak link? "
I don't know too much about Vulcan, but if this is Jason at full capability, I'm certain that he could transmute Vulcan into a cookie, and leave it at that. At the same time, Atom can also affect/transmute organic matter and has done so before. Everyone else has immunity/resistance to molecular manipulation. Vulcan is powerful, but I think JediXMan believes him to be the weakest link because he's easy to take out of the fight.
#9 Posted by The Last Son Of Krypton (791 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @The Last Son Of Krypton said:
" How exactly is he the weak link? "
I don't know too much about Vulcan, but if this is Jason at full capability, I'm certain that he could transmute Vulcan into a cookie, and leave it at that. At the same time, Atom can also affect/transmute organic matter and has done so before. Everyone else has immunity/resistance to molecular manipulation. Vulcan is powerful, but I think JediXMan believes him to be the weakest link because he's easy to take out of the fight. "
Remember, morals are on. Would transmuting someone into a cookie be something Jason does regularly and within morals?
#10 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Last Son Of Krypton: Although it's not his most used attack, he has done it with morals on. IIRC, he killed a particular villain, using his transmutation abilities on him (but it later had an affect on the Earth's weather). He didn't exactly turn him into a cookie, but it's proof enough that his transmutation can be used on organic matter if he really wants to use it.
#11 Posted by capnninjapirate (7 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd agree with Vulcan being the weak link on team 2, but the Surfer doesn't need the help. Silver Surfer solo's team one, and then kills Vulcan for being a douche

#12 Posted by Fortanono (4889 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel.

#13 Posted by VIZION2011 (1675 posts) - - Show Bio

Woudnt SS cosmic awareness let him no the firestorm's can transmute, if so then SS can stop him befor he does so, SS is the factor here, is experience with the cosmic force and with vulcan's help he would be able to pull out a win but barely. Im going with Team 2

#14 Posted by CosmicSpiral (5471 posts) - - Show Bio

This is close. It really depends on the initial matchups.

#15 Posted by VIZION2011 (1675 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah becuz vulcan can absorb mostly all energy, he's not to be under estimated all

#16 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1. As others have pointed out, Vulcan is the weak link. Captain Atom would give Surfer a very difficult fight on his own, a fight Surfer would win, but with Firestorm, I believe Team 1 takes it.

#17 Posted by VIZION2011 (1675 posts) - - Show Bio

and how will firestorm defeat vulcan, vulcan psionic ability is all most limitless the only thing vulcan would be worried about is the speed blitz, Im sure the SS cosmic awareness would kick and he would ley vulcan know what he is up agaisnt, I dont know if vulcan can negate their powers but I dont know he would be able to at least some what control them on a psionic level....

#18 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@VIZION2010 said:
" and how will firestorm defeat vulcan, vulcan psionic ability is all most limitless the only thing vulcan would be worried about is the speed blitz, Im sure the SS cosmic awareness would kick and he would ley vulcan know what he is up agaisnt, I dont know if vulcan can negate their powers but I dont know he would be able to at least some what control them on a psionic level.... "
Captain Atom will be an obstacle for Surfer. Surfer will have his hands full. Firestorm can manipulate matter, energy, has super strength, flight, durability, and intangibility. Vulcan cannot remove his powers unless he can manipulate the Matrix, which he could never accomplish. 
#19 Posted by VIZION2011 (1675 posts) - - Show Bio

Know that im thinking on it I still dont think that would be a factor however firestorm can simply speed blitz and ko vulcan sense he is a lot stronger so im going to have to say team 1 even tho I favor marvel ;-P

#20 Posted by kareem (281 posts) - - Show Bio

To M=me this is more team one versus Silver Surfer with some assistance from Vulcan, even with his powers all the way amped up he is still kinda out of his league. That being said I think SS could take either  one individually but combined he would eventually loose. Vulcan could provide a good enough distraction but when up against matter manipulation he is screwed. (BTW those first 3 pictures kick SSOOO much a$$)

#21 Posted by emmbro30 (249 posts) - - Show Bio

With morals being on, I see Silver Surfer joining Captain Atom and Firestorm to put a stop to Vulcan.

#22 Posted by karrob (4279 posts) - - Show Bio
@Silver2467 said:
" Team 1. As others have pointed out, Vulcan is the weak link. Captain Atom would give Surfer a very difficult fight on his own, a fight Surfer would win, but with Firestorm, I believe Team 1 takes it. "
#23 Posted by Fresh0133 (496 posts) - - Show Bio

With morals on I don't see DC winning, they'll obviously have no idea who or what they're up against and Vulcan has no qualms about offing his enemies.  Given that it's never been shown there's a limit to his energy absorption or what he can do with it as he's enhanced his own strength, speed, durability, regenrated, fired it back, converted it to something else entirely.  Unless he's suprised, which in this case he would not be, he's very tough to take down since most attacks that are thrown at him involve energy of some sort, be it kinetic, radiation, cosmic, elemental, mystical, psychic, etc...  He can absorb them all to a near limitless quantitites and use them as he pleases.

 

If Surfer takes out Firestorm before he can transmute the two of them, which Firestorm likely wouldn't be willing to do right at the outset with no idea of who he's up against, Atom would likely put up a valiant fight, but honestly Vulcan would likely suck him dry and then break the whithered husk of his body for a giggle.    

#24 Edited by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Fresh03 said:

"Atom would likely put up a valiant fight, but honestly Vulcan would likely suck him dry and then break the whithered husk of his body for a giggle.     "

Atom has a limitless amount of energy in his body. Vulcan isn't going to be able to suck him dry. Not only that, Atom has the physical advantage against him, too. A massive physical advantage. Besides, Atom has the ability to shut off energy-based powers. On top of that, Atom's skin is virtually indestructible, and Vulcan isn't strong enough to break it.
#25 Posted by The Last Son Of Krypton (791 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @Fresh03 said:

"Atom would likely put up a valiant fight, but honestly Vulcan would likely suck him dry and then break the whithered husk of his body for a giggle.     "

Atom has a limitless amount of energy in his body. Vulcan isn't going to be able to suck him dry. Not only that, Atom has the physical advantage against him, too. A massive physical advantage. Besides, Atom has the ability to shut off energy-based powers. On top of that, Atom's skin is virtually indestructible, and Vulcan isn't strong enough to break it. "
I don't think he will be able to suck him dry, but absorb his energy? No doubt he will be able to do that. Anything Atom can throw out, I don't see why Vulcan couldn't just manipulate it and send it right back at him.
#26 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Last Son Of Krypton: Of course he can absorb it, but he's not absorbing all of it. As far as redirecting energy, Atom can do the same thing.
#27 Posted by EmperorVulcan (365 posts) - - Show Bio

Atom solos... as much as I love Vulcan.

#28 Posted by The Last Son Of Krypton (791 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @The Last Son Of Krypton: Of course he can absorb it, but he's not absorbing all of it. As far as redirecting energy, Atom can do the same thing. "
Yeah. I know they both can absorb energy. And redirect energy? This could end up being a tennis match between Atom and Vulcan. Lol.
#29 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@EmperorVulcan said:
" Atom solos...
With Silver Surfer there, I don't know if this is possible. LOL.
 
@The Last Son Of Krypton said:
" Yeah. I know they both can absorb energy. And redirect energy? This could end up being a tennis match between Atom and Vulcan. Lol. "
Maybe. But, Atom could find a way to end the match. There was an instance when he had to fire off energy blasts at different frequencies/wavelengths so his enemy couldn't adjust to it, absorb it or phase through it. I'm not sure if it could work on Vulcan, but it's worth a shot.
#30 Posted by The Last Son Of Krypton (791 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @EmperorVulcan said:
" Atom solos...
With Silver Surfer there, I don't know if this is possible. LOL.
 
@The Last Son Of Krypton said:
" Yeah. I know they both can absorb energy. And redirect energy? This could end up being a tennis match between Atom and Vulcan. Lol. "
Maybe. But, Atom could find a way to end the match. There was an instance when he had to fire off energy blasts at different frequencies/wavelengths so his enemy couldn't adjust to it, absorb it or phase through it. I'm not sure if it could work on Vulcan, but it's worth a shot. "
Well, I don't know. I mean, Vulcan can put up a force-field. He has done it before against Havok, so I don't see why it wouldn't help him against Atom.
#31 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@The Last Son Of Krypton:  How well do the shields hold up against people with vast superhuman strength?
#32 Posted by The Last Son Of Krypton (791 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @The Last Son Of Krypton:  How well do the shields hold up against people with vast superhuman strength? "
I am not too sure. I only think he has used the force-field against Havok. I will have to re-check that.
#33 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Atom has superior energy manipulation feats in comparison with Vulcan. Atom's energy output, absorption, and manipulation should outweigh his. 

#34 Posted by Fresh0133 (496 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock:
That's the thing, there's no limit known to how much energy he can absorb or any kind know that he can't absorb at this point.  He's got to be surprised in order for him to be at a disadvantage in most cases.  He can absorb kinetic energy from Atom's blows as he throws them, he can absorb the energy he emmits and convert it to what ever chooses no matter the frequency, if it's energy he can take it and use it.  
 
I know not allot of folks have read the majority of his appearances but Vucan really isn't someone to mess with unless you count supreme confidence Gladiator who was able to shrug off Vulcan due to Vulcan's arrogance that his psionics would hold against him.  In the case of an unknown enemy he's arrogant, but not nearly as much as he was with Gladiator who he considered inferior. And even then all Gladiator was able to do was take an eye out with a full strength planet breaking blow due to Vulcan's own level of psionics and the defensess he had in place.    
#35 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Fresh03:  I don't recall anything that states Vulcan doesn't have a limit. I think that his actual limit is unknown, to be honest. As far as absorbing kinetic energy from Atom's physical strikes, I've never seen Vulcan do that. We all saw what Gladiator did to him (and to counter what you're saying, there was nothing on panel that stated Gladiator used all of his strength, or planet-busting strength, to take out Vulcan's eye). Gladiator wasn't even trying that hard, so there's no reason to think that he used all of his strength there. If another person with superhuman strength was able to hurt him, Atom can, too.
#36 Posted by CosmicSpiral (5471 posts) - - Show Bio

Vulcan is way overrated in this thread. 

#37 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@CosmicSpiral: Tell me about it.
#38 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @Fresh03:  I don't recall anything that states Vulcan doesn't have a limit. I think that his actual limit is unknown, to be honest. As far as absorbing kinetic energy from Atom's physical strikes, I've never seen Vulcan do that. We all saw what Gladiator did to him (and to counter what you're saying, there was nothing on panel that stated Gladiator used all of his strength, or planet-busting strength, to take out Vulcan's eye). Gladiator wasn't even trying that hard, so there's no reason to think that he used all of his strength there. If another person with superhuman strength was able to hurt him, Atom can, too. "
He couldn't absorb kinetic energy from Black Bolt's punches in his most recent appearance before he expired, either. It's definitive that he can't do it.
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#39 Posted by JCJQLB (2817 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1 ftw

#40 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
""He couldn't absorb kinetic energy from Black Bolt's punches in his most recent appearance before he expired, either. It's definitive that he can't do it. "
Well, more fuel to add to the fire. Thanks.
#41 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
""He couldn't absorb kinetic energy from Black Bolt's punches in his most recent appearance before he expired, either. It's definitive that he can't do it. "
Well, more fuel to add to the fire. Thanks. "
No problem. I just think it's pointless to attribute potential abilities to a character when he already has plenty. Absorbing kinetic energy on impact simply isn't one of them.
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#42 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_: It happens. Some one tried to tell me that Captain Atom could control the universe (this one) the other day.
#43 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said: 
He couldn't absorb kinetic energy from Black Bolt's punches in his most recent appearance before he expired, either. It's definitive that he can't do it. "
Exactly, and Black Bolt is not as strong as Atom either. 
#44 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @Morpheus_: It happens. Some one tried to tell me that Captain Atom could control the universe (this one) the other day. "
 
Next time, use this.
 
@Silver2467 said:
" @Morpheus_ said: 
He couldn't absorb kinetic energy from Black Bolt's punches in his most recent appearance before he expired, either. It's definitive that he can't do it. "
Exactly, and Black Bolt is not as strong as Atom either.  "
Indeed. Nor was there any indication that Black Bolt had augmented his strength, as he very well could, during that fight.
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#45 Posted by Silver2467 (16527 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @Static Shock said:
" @Morpheus_: It happens. Some one tried to tell me that Captain Atom could control the universe (this one) the other day. "
 
Next time, use this.
 
@Silver2467 said:
" @Morpheus_ said: 
He couldn't absorb kinetic energy from Black Bolt's punches in his most recent appearance before he expired, either. It's definitive that he can't do it. "
Exactly, and Black Bolt is not as strong as Atom either.  "
Indeed. Nor was there any indication that Black Bolt had augmented his strength, as he very well could, during that fight. "
Agreed. And great picture. 
#46 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_: LOL. Check the Majestic/Black Adam vs/ Captain Atom/Infinity Man fight. Some guy named Cubey said it.
#47 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:
" @Morpheus_: LOL. Check the Majestic/Black Adam vs/ Captain Atom/Infinity Man fight. Some guy named Cubey said it. "
I actually just finished reading that. The best part is that you are the expert when it comes to Captain Atom. No reason for you to deny what he can, or cannot do.
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#48 Posted by Static Shock (47329 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_: Dude was just making up all this nonsense. Atom is powerful, but he's not that powerful.
#49 Posted by Fresh0133 (496 posts) - - Show Bio

@Static Shock:
I never said he could absorb limitless energy, I said no limit has been shown or is known at this point, he drained Warlock, one of the most powerful guys in the MU without breaking a sweat, granted Atom likely has way more energy than Warlock so it's fair to say that it's unknown if Vulcan could make an attempt to drain him or if he would get burned out.

 

I've been looking for scans of him absorbing kinetic energy, I know I've seen it before, but I don't have proof at this point, so until I do feel free to disregard it unitl I come back with some. 
 
It's certainly fair to say that Gladiator didn't hit him full power, I overstated, looking back at the scans of the fight with Gladiator Vulcan pretty much disregarded him until Gladiator waltzed through his energy blast and socked him, so I was wrong on that account as well, Gladiator didn't need full power to get to him.
 
Like I said, I'll keep looking for those scans of him absorbing kinetic energy.

 

As for Atom, his Monarch persona during Countdown was pretty over the top powerful, but he's back to regular levels now right?

#50 Posted by CosmicSpiral (5471 posts) - - Show Bio
@Fresh03 said:
"

@Static Shock:
I never said he could absorb limitless energy, I said no limit has been shown or is known at this point, he drained Warlock, one of the most powerful guys in the MU without breaking a sweat, granted Atom likely has way more energy than Warlock so it's fair to say that it's unknown if Vulcan could make an attempt to drain him or if he would get burned out.

 

I've been looking for scans of him absorbing kinetic energy, I know I've seen it before, but I don't have proof at this point, so until I do feel free to disregard it unitl I come back with some. 
 
It's certainly fair to say that Gladiator didn't hit him full power, I overstated, looking back at the scans of the fight with Gladiator Vulcan pretty much disregarded him until Gladiator waltzed through his energy blast and socked him, so I was wrong on that account as well, Gladiator didn't need full power to get to him.
 
Like I said, I'll keep looking for those scans of him absorbing kinetic energy.

 

As for Atom, his Monarch persona during Countdown was pretty over the top powerful, but he's back to regular levels now right?

"
No, not anymore.