Captain America vs Tombstone

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#1 Edited by castleking (24119 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio


ko,kill cis on
battle takes place on top of a 5 story roof setting....
 
1. steve vs tomnstone
2. bucky vs tombstone
3. both vs tombstone
#2 Posted by The Mjolnir Wielder (7907 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

1. Steve, without breaking a sweat
2. Bucky 
3. /facepalm
#3 Posted by MKF30 (11623 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Captain A. 
Not sure for second match 
Cap A and Bucky for match three

#4 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

Cap should be able to easily do it but on paper would probably lose due to poor writing

#5 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio


NEITHER Cap should be able to really harm Tombstone.  It took Spider-Man a no-holds-barred punch with his hand in a webbing glove to KO Tombstone.  Does anyone mean to tell me Cap can inflict 10 tons of damage with his shield in one strike?  Tombstone has the speed, durability and strength to eventually drop both Caps.

 

First person to post the infamous sledgehammer incident should be banned, btw =)

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#6 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
"First person to post the infamous sledgehammer incident should be banned, btw =) "
Dangit! >_>
#7 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Andferne said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
"First person to post the infamous sledgehammer incident should be banned, btw =) "
Dangit! >_> "

=)
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#8 Posted by Ferro Vida (33848 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
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NEITHER Cap should be able to really harm Tombstone.  It took Spider-Man a no-holds-barred punch with his hand in a webbing glove to KO Tombstone.  Does anyone mean to tell me Cap can inflict 10 tons of damage with his shield in one strike?  Tombstone has the speed, durability and strength to eventually drop both Caps.

 

First person to post the infamous sledgehammer incident should be banned, btw =)

"
I'm not scared of you, muthaf@cker!
 


Let the banhammers fly
#9 Posted by vuviper (5530 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida: lol
#10 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
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NEITHER Cap should be able to really harm Tombstone.  It took Spider-Man a no-holds-barred punch with his hand in a webbing glove to KO Tombstone.  Does anyone mean to tell me Cap can inflict 10 tons of damage with his shield in one strike?  Tombstone has the speed, durability and strength to eventually drop both Caps.

 

First person to post the infamous sledgehammer incident should be banned, btw =)

"
comic history would say yes....
#11 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
"


NEITHER Cap should be able to really harm Tombstone.  It took Spider-Man a no-holds-barred punch with his hand in a webbing glove to KO Tombstone.  Does anyone mean to tell me Cap can inflict 10 tons of damage with his shield in one strike?  Tombstone has the speed, durability and strength to eventually drop both Caps.

 

First person to post the infamous sledgehammer incident should be banned, btw =)

"
I'm not scared of you, muthaf@cker!
 

 
Let the banhammers fly "

LOL.  Epic BS. 
 
Ole' Toomy isn't dropping from that, any day of the week... 

 


 
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#12 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@castleking said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
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NEITHER Cap should be able to really harm Tombstone.  It took Spider-Man a no-holds-barred punch with his hand in a webbing glove to KO Tombstone.  Does anyone mean to tell me Cap can inflict 10 tons of damage with his shield in one strike?  Tombstone has the speed, durability and strength to eventually drop both Caps.

 

First person to post the infamous sledgehammer incident should be banned, btw =)

"
comic history would say yes.... "

What? ONE bad example of writing? (the sledgehammer)  Tombstone's upgrade made him far too durable.
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#13 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
im not agreeing or condoning the scan... i am not even convinced tombstone durability is as high as so many ppl on this site think......
 
i dont know the physic science to make a proper argument of how strong a sledge hammer or shield bash would be in terms of blunt impact trauma... for all i know it could exponentially multiply the blows in the several ton range 
#14 Edited by OhTru (1583 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
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  Tombstone has the speed, durability and strength to eventually drop both Caps.

 


"
Yeah
 
don't forget the one where he took bullets to the face, an RPG to the legs, and finally a Gas Mains Pipe explodes takes out the entire building 
and Tombstone walks out of the building shattering explosion unharmed
 

 
 

@k4tzm4n

said:
"


First person to post the infamous sledgehammer incident should be banned, btw =)

"
So Brubaker got a little inspired by Bendis style writing, Asgardians = Canon Fodder, Skrulls = Canon Fodder
Tombstone = Canon Fodder to a street leveler with martial arts skills  
 
 

@castleking

said:

" im not agreeing or condoning the scan... i am not even convinced tombstone durability is as high as so many ppl on this site think......
 

"

  Of course it is
Even the cartoonists got that one right
 
Pimp Smack
Followed by a right, left and Spidey is done 
 
 
 

 
 
Seriously F#CK the writers, half of them don't follow the comics, never even followed the characters
The first thing Marvel should do when hiring a new writer is actually ask the HAVE YOU EVER READ THE DAMN comic
#15 Posted by Ferro Vida (33848 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@castleking said:
" im not agreeing or condoning the scan... i am not even convinced tombstone durability is as high as so many ppl on this site think......
 
i dont know the physic science to make a proper argument of how strong a sledge hammer or shield bash would be in terms of blunt impact trauma... for all i know it could exponentially multiply the blows in the several ton range 
"
The sledge hammer scan is PIS. It is Tombstone's lowest showing ever, and I only posted it as a joke.
 







 Tombstone beating down Daredevil, deomnstrating speed and durability.


 A sword made of Spanish steel broke on his chest
#16 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@castleking said:
"im not agreeing or condoning the scan... i am not even convinced tombstone durability is as high as so many ppl on this site think......
 
i dont know the physic science to make a proper argument of how strong a sledge hammer or shield bash would be in terms of blunt impact trauma... for all i know it could exponentially multiply the blows in the several ton range 
"

Steve is only peak human....He can only apply so much force behind the shield.  I'd imagine a shield toss to the head would certainly knock over Tombstone, perhaps even stun him...But that's it.
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#17 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio


don't forget the one where he took bullets to the face, an RPG to the legs, and finally a Gas Mains Pipe explodes takes out the entire building 
and Tombstone walks out of the building shattering explosion unharmed

I didn't feel the need to list EVERY feat.  I figured the scan I provided should suffice for anyone with half a brain, lol. 
 
 

The sledge hammer scan is PIS. It is Tombstone's lowest showing ever, and I only posted it as a joke. 

I know ;)  Thx for posting the beginning of the fight.

 

 

 

 

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#18 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" @castleking said:
"im not agreeing or condoning the scan... i am not even convinced tombstone durability is as high as so many ppl on this site think......
 
i dont know the physic science to make a proper argument of how strong a sledge hammer or shield bash would be in terms of blunt impact trauma... for all i know it could exponentially multiply the blows in the several ton range 
"

Steve is only peak human....He can only apply so much force behind the shield.  I'd imagine a shield toss to the head would certainly knock over Tombstone, perhaps even stun him...But that's it. "
its a vibe type shield...... i dont see why he cant slice lizard in half not that cap would do it but he can throw it hard enough to cause tombstone to get ko'ed from a massive head injury.... also when did tombstone actually get a speed upgrade he always says it but i want to know why he says if it is even a biological fact... for example olympic, peak enhanced  speed on some kind of scan or file,...
#19 Posted by Ferro Vida (33848 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n: Least I could do... Muthaf@cker :P
#20 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:

"Steve is only peak human."

Two quotes I've always loved from Ed Brubaker. 

"Just physical exertion. While I don't think of Cap as 'super' like Spider-man or Superman, he's clearly not Batman with a shield. He's not just like a guy who works out all the time and is trained. He's been enhanced, and I wanted to show that a bit."


"I see it as he's the ultimate of human potential. Not something the modern man could ever be, but like an evolutionary next-step, basically. He's not Thor or Spider-man, but he's not Batman, either."

#21 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@castleking said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @castleking said:
"im not agreeing or condoning the scan... i am not even convinced tombstone durability is as high as so many ppl on this site think......
 
i dont know the physic science to make a proper argument of how strong a sledge hammer or shield bash would be in terms of blunt impact trauma... for all i know it could exponentially multiply the blows in the several ton range 
"

Steve is only peak human....He can only apply so much force behind the shield.  I'd imagine a shield toss to the head would certainly knock over Tombstone, perhaps even stun him...But that's it. "
its a vibe type shield...... i dont see why he cant slice lizard in half not that cap would do it but he can throw it hard enough to cause tombstone to get ko'ed from a massive head injury.... also when did tombstone actually get a speed upgrade he always says it but i want to know why he says if it is even a biological fact... for example olympic, peak enhanced  speed on some kind of scan or file,... "

HOW he received the upgrade, I do not know.  But in the issue I posted the scan from, he boasts about how he's become stronger, faster and more durable than before.  Which was certainly true, because previously Parker could hurt him with punches.  Now, he only took him out by giving it ALL he had with his fist enhanced with a web glove.  Both Spider-Man and Daredevil have commented on his speed.  As for his actual attributes, I know he's at 6 tons with strength.  Regarding speed, I'm not certain. 
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#22 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Andferne said:
" @k4tzm4n said:

"Steve is only peak human."

Two quotes I've always loved from Ed Brubaker. 

"Just physical exertion. While I don't think of Cap as 'super' like Spider-man or Superman, he's clearly not Batman with a shield. He's not just like a guy who works out all the time and is trained. He's been enhanced, and I wanted to show that a bit."


"I see it as he's the ultimate of human potential. Not something the modern man could ever be, but like an evolutionary next-step, basically. He's not Thor or Spider-man, but he's not Batman, either."

"
Which in turn, is peak...The peak of human potential ;)  Which IMO, won't suffice against a foe this durable.
 
 
@Ferro Vida
said:
" @k4tzm4n: Least I could do... Muthaf@cker :P "



LOL.  Do you have scans of when Tombstone beat him first in that arc? 

 

 

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#23 Posted by Ferro Vida (33848 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n: I posted them already
#24 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@OhTru: lmao @ cartoon video
#25 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
" @k4tzm4n: I posted them already "

Thx, didn't spot.  I try not to just leave scans up on the page since i'm @ work. lol
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#26 Edited by OhTru (1583 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Andferne said:

" @OhTru: lmao @ cartoon video "

 Yeah I know a bit OTT
 
but as non-canon as the toon is
 
It makes a million times more sense than Tombstone getting owned by a sledgehammer
#27 Posted by Ferro Vida (33848 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n: understandable xD
#28 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

LOL. IMO the cartoon did a great job of making him a badass, but it's not true to his character all all.  He's way too intellectual and skilled in technique, IMO.
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#29 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" LOL. IMO the cartoon did a great job of making him a badass, but it's not true to his character all all.  He's way too intellectual and skilled in technique, IMO. "
Agreed. The cartoon made him a B@d@$$.
#30 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Andferne said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" LOL. IMO the cartoon did a great job of making him a badass, but it's not true to his character all all.  He's way too intellectual and skilled in technique, IMO. "
Agreed. The cartoon made him a B@d@$$. "

It's SUCH a good cartoon, too.  I really hope they get the green light for season 3.
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#31 Posted by Andferne (38808 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n: I have not seen any news about a third season. =(
It's been a while too so I am starting to think we won't get one. Which sucks because I really enjoyed them.
#32 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Andferne said:
" @k4tzm4n: I have not seen any news about a third season. =( It's been a while too so I am starting to think we won't get one. Which sucks because I really enjoyed them. "

Same.  The cartoon was so well made and had the best fight scenes I've seen in quite some time.
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#33 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio

So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone?
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#34 Posted by Vance Astro (88652 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do.
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#35 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "

/nerve strikes Vance 
 
GTFO lol
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#36 Edited by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
Here, let me help you fight off Vance, K4tz. 
 

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#37 Posted by Vance Astro (88652 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "
/nerve strikes Vance  GTFO lol "
Captain America can do whatever he wants...you seen what he did to Rhino with that Jump Kick...
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#38 Posted by Ferro Vida (33848 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "
Actually? I do too. Cap has broken through steel doors with his bare hands, and he has one-punched characters with superhuman durability before.
#39 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "
Actually? I do too. Cap has broken through steel doors with his bare hands, and he has one-punched characters with superhuman durability before. "

....Yet Spider-Man couldn't with a direct strike to his face
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#40 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "
/nerve strikes Vance  GTFO lol "
Writers can do whatever they  want with Captain America...you seen what he did to Rhino with that Jump Kick... "

Corrected.
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#41 Posted by Vance Astro (88652 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
....Yet Spider-Man couldn't with a direct strike to his face.  "
Spider-Man doesn't have a vibranium shield to strike with.He may be stronger and more durable than Cap but he's still flesh and bone he's not bulletproof.
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#42 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "
/nerve strikes Vance  GTFO lol "
Writers can do whatever they  want with Captain America...you seen what he did to Rhino with that Jump Kick... "
Corrected. "
I think he's just pulling your leg, K4tz.
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#43 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "
Actually? I do too. Cap has broken through steel doors with his bare hands, and he has one-punched characters with superhuman durability before. "
Isn't Tombstone packing adamantium now? It was either him, or someone working for Mr. Negative that reminds me HIGHLY of him.
#44 Posted by Vance Astro (88652 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
I think he's just pulling your leg, K4tz. "
I was.
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#45 Posted by Ferro Vida (33848 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "
Actually? I do too. Cap has broken through steel doors with his bare hands, and he has one-punched characters with superhuman durability before. "
Isn't Tombstone packing adamantium now? It was either him, or someone working for Mr. Negative that reminds me HIGHLY of him. "
You're thinking of Hammerhead.
 
@Vance Astro said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
I think he's just pulling your leg, K4tz. "
I was. "

Shakes fist at Vance
#46 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
....Yet Spider-Man couldn't with a direct strike to his face.  "
Spider-Man doesn't have a vibranium shield to strike with.He may be stronger and more durable than Cap but he's still flesh and bone he's not bulletproof. "

Cap still can't generate 10 tons of power behind a strike with that, due to his peak human strength.  Unless of course, you have the science to support he could...Which I doubt, lol.
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#47 Posted by k4tzm4n (30879 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "
/nerve strikes Vance  GTFO lol "
Writers can do whatever they  want with Captain America...you seen what he did to Rhino with that Jump Kick... "
Corrected. "
I think he's just pulling your leg, K4tz. "

I lost it in WW1 and have been looking for it since.  Could you please give it back?
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#48 Posted by Ferro Vida (33848 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@k4tzm4n said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "
Actually? I do too. Cap has broken through steel doors with his bare hands, and he has one-punched characters with superhuman durability before. "

....Yet Spider-Man couldn't with a direct strike to his face.  "
But Daredevil could with a hammer :P
#49 Posted by Lance Uppercut (23245 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Ferro Vida said:
" @Lance Uppercut said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "
Actually? I do too. Cap has broken through steel doors with his bare hands, and he has one-punched characters with superhuman durability before. "
Isn't Tombstone packing adamantium now? It was either him, or someone working for Mr. Negative that reminds me HIGHLY of him. "
You're thinking of Hammerhead.
 
They look similar.
#50 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 3 years, 3 months ago - Show Bio
@Lance Uppercut said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @Vance Astro said:
" @k4tzm4n said:
" So does anyone still honestly believe Cap would drop Tombstone? "
I do. "
Actually? I do too. Cap has broken through steel doors with his bare hands, and he has one-punched characters with superhuman durability before. "
Isn't Tombstone packing adamantium now? It was either him, or someone working for Mr. Negative that reminds me HIGHLY of him. "
Hammerhead.
 
@Vance Astro said:
" @Morpheus_ said:
I think he's just pulling your leg, K4tz. "
I was. "

If I get to distinguish when you're serious, and when you aren't, that means you're losing your touch Vance.
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